Well i had an appifany and realised that say if someone gets a bandos hilt when killing general garador and he cant trade anyone their shares then its really unfair.. so i thoght about it and it finally came to me. what if there was a way to evenly share loot i think ill call it

 

 

 

:LOOTSHARE

 

 

 

Lootshare was made to give everyone an even share of drops over time.

 

 

 

FAQ's:

 

 

 

-"but i want to share drops, im not a pixel hugger" - you are sharing drops over time

 

 

 

-"i just use lootshare to see what the drop was" - your a moron, and seeing as you used a program that shares the loot because you dont trust the other person and lootshare does exactly that, shares it out.

 

 

 

-"lol pixel hugger thats stupid the drops are completly random" - no there not

 

 

 

-"why is it bad to share drops with someone that was there" - because giving a [erson that was there half of eg. armadyl hilt is 70million gp ($4 a mil thats $280) and could be goldfarmers selling gp right off the factory floor.

 

 

 

and to sum it all up i made up a motto

 

 

 

Lifes not fair; its LootShare

 

 

 

And one very important point to remeber is that an armadyl hilt dosent cost 140mil because its easy to get. its costs 140mil because it is an extremely rare drop. I saw people posting on another thread saying "who wants to go on a team where you wont make money unless you have heaps of luck", heres the answer.

 

 

 

"who wants to go on a team with people that are not willing to put in the time and effort it takes to get a drop and just want you to do all the work and kill thousands and take what you have earned, and not even willing to go unless they have a garuntee that they get

 

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Screenshot from the knowlage base article on clanchat/lootshare.

 

 

 

Lootshare does work, but it may take thousands of boss kills before you eventually get a drop.

You forgot one part: lootshare doesn't split the drops and for a 4 man team. Let's think it this way: the chances to get a hilt are relatively small. After ~150 bandos bosses we've got few shards and 2 tassets, that's it. Why on earth would I want to go back there if I had gotten a hilt and spend countless nights to get a hilt to someone else too while I was losing my own money in resources? What if I got another half before rest of my team got theirs?

 

 

 

You also seem to forget that lootshare is used at high lvl monsters to show the drops to your friends, not to actually give chances to get the kill to someone else: the difference between skills and items are so minimal that the kill ratio with lootshare on and off aren't too different.

 

 

 

I personally would rather see lootshare on every (or at least in more worlds) and some kind of an ability to split the drop with everyone who has been there to do it. One possibility would be to add "send to ge" option to it and send items over set value automaticly to GE and then split the cash equally to everyone who had been taking part in killing progress.

Umm... yeah, the only way that it'll ever be fair with lootshare is if everyone eventually gets a hilt. And lootshare dosen't guarantee that either; for all you know, one person in a team of three could get an armadyl hilt three times.

 

 

 

There needs to be something with lootshare that allows you to put say, a hilt up in the GE, and instead of giving the cash to one person in his collection box, it splits it between the team. Of course that function would only be available if you actually got the drop, so as to prevent RWT from using it.

Either way it takes thousands of kills to get a drop.

 

And if someone has done a thousand kills and then on the 1001'st kill gets a hilt then they deserve every penny of it. If they got lucky and got it on the first kill then you dont need to worry since you will get every drop untill you to have made 140mil

Either way it takes thousands of kills to get a drop.

 

And if someone has done a thousand kills and then on the 1001'st kill gets a hilt then they deserve every penny of it. If they got lucky and got it on the first kill then you dont need to worry since you will get every drop untill you to have made 140mil

 

 

 

With this logic you're totally lost. It actually costs to kill monsters, why would I keep hunting 1-3x more after I've gained my millions and waste money? What would actually make the other people to do it? What would make it even likely to get an equal number of gp and satisfy both parties.

 

 

 

Lets do some maths for a 2 man team

 

1st drop = 100% chances that a new person gets it.

 

2nd drop = 50% chances that a new person gets it. Not too big. At this part we've killed 2x monsters.

 

3rd drop = if player A got first 2 drops, there still are 50% chances that he gets this one too. For 3x drop he has 25% chances which is relatively big. If he gets this one and the player B gets all other kills, they would have had to kill 6x monsters. That's quite a lot for armadyl bosses for example and what would make the player A to come there every day for hours a week straight after he had 420m in his bank?

 

 

 

3 man team:

 

1st drop = 100% chances that a new person gets it.

 

2nd drop = 67% chances that a new player gets it. 33% chances that the player A gets it who got 1st kill.

 

3rd drop= At this point we got 22% chances that the drops are equal. It's more likely that they'll have to hunt a lot more monsters to get an equal number of drops.

 

 

 

Have fun getting an equal number of hilts for a 5 man team. It is most likely to take a lot more than just 5 hilt drops. With the current drop ratios it'll take ages for even a small team to get a reasonable amount of gp to every member and knowing the human nature, most likely you'll need to find a new team, be lucky to have found great persons or be lucky to get one of the first drops.

 

 

 

I'd also like to point out the fact that what's the meaning of lootshare at god wars if you can't split the drops? Most people are so equal there that it doesn't give them more drops or take them away. It currently is used for safety (no more attempts to hide a good drop from the rest of your team) and smoothliness (not a proper word, someone figure the right adjective from that :P ) in sharing information on drops.

At 140,000,000gp for a hilt from GE

 

And the 1000 kills it takes to get one as a drop

 

 

 

140,000,000/1000 = 140,000

 

 

 

so budget yourself to spend under 140k per kill and you will turn a profit.

At 140,000,000gp for a hilt from GE

 

And the 1000 kills it takes to get one as a drop

 

 

 

140,000,000/1000 = 140,000

 

 

 

so budget yourself to spend under 140k per kill and you will turn a profit.

 

 

 

Are you serious? Have you ever even fought any of these bosses? Do you know how much time and effort it takes to just to kill the boss, yet alone get something good? That means you must kill 4k bosses to get 4 hilts, and lets do some math.

 

 

 

2 minutes per boss * 4000 kills / 60 (minutes) = 266 HOURS!!! THATS KILLING BOSSES FOR 11 DAYS STRAIGHT!!

 

 

 

I honestly doubt your friends who get hilts will want to do that for friends who didnt get, let alone wait.

 

 

 

In addition, once my friend got 2 SHARDS IN ONE TRIP!! What if that after the trade limit? That would be about 1998 hours till the next one.

 

 

 

I think you must work for the company, since they have the same stupid logic you do.

At 140,000,000gp for a hilt from GE

 

And the 1000 kills it takes to get one as a drop

 

 

 

140,000,000/1000 = 140,000

 

 

 

so budget yourself to spend under 140k per kill and you will turn a profit.

 

 

 

You forgot one thing: you must get the kill in order to make profit. To get enough resources to kill those 1k, you need some money before going there and you can't count on getting the money from the first drops: you must prepare to kill X*Y times of them, X being the droprate and Y being the amount of members in your team.

 

 

 

I also assume you totalyl skipped the math parts there. If it takes you 1k kills to get the hilt, there are big chances that you'll have to kill even up to 6k bosses (this would still be a totally possible scenario, odds wouldn't be too bad for it) in order to get a balanced amount of them. How long does it take to kill those? Exactly, weeks or months depending how much do you feel like playing.

Sorry hadent updated my sig in a while. and yes im on around 800 armadyls without a hilt. You still make proft with only a coin drop.

 

 

 

If it takes 4000 kills then 140,000/4= 35k per kill

 

also an average of 50 addy bars per person getting kc =600k which pays for most supplies and say 5 kills a trip average of 20k per kill and 1k per minion

 

still leaves a profit for the team using 35k per kill per person of 15k. It isnt much but its STILL a profit

 

 

 

And yes i do think that sharing drops is the right thing to do and always have but since lootshare came out its impossible to make money sharing with it on so now just i take my share because its an equal share and giving it away will mean i wont get my equal share no matter which team you go with or how many times you go

oh my god use periods and commas and complete sentences please, i beg you. I've reread every sentence you've posted thats more than 8 words long because they don't make sense

 

 

 

Ok.

 

 

 

At gwd most drops are valued at ~20k. A 140m hilt drop equates to 7000 drops. Once you start adding more people, you get problems. Once you start adding new people, you have problems. You are over simplifying it. You emphasize over time but do not understand the magnitude of it. Hohto explained it very well.

 

 

 

p.s. your faq is not actually a faq, nor is it accurate. at all.

 

 

 

p.s.s. you assume your partners do not care about your drops. You made a big mistake there, considering how drops were distributed BEFORE lootshare. And if thats the case anyways, you have a [cabbage]ty team, go find another

 

 

 

p.s.s.s. your motto doesn't make sense

This is spam. We all know what lootshare is..

I understand where you are coming from, however do the points transfer on the player no matter which lootshare team he joins? If so then you have a valid point, wheras if it stayed within the exact same team then i really can't see it working :notalk:

"I think i know the solution..."

 

 

 

 

 

You obviously DON'T.

 

 

 

Why: read what hohto and stan18 said.

 

 

 

I don't get how a lvl 120+ can still be so ignorant. The way hohto sais it, there is NO way to misunderstand it...

Sorry for the grammer, if you want to correct it then ill change it.

 

 

 

All of your arguements are exactly what the problem is. Untill you cant trade anymore (january im told) just pretend that the not being able to share isnt a problem.

 

For some teams yes taking the easy option and getting a much smaller share is better than wasting your time killing thousands of them.

 

 

 

Say you want to go with someone that DOES put in the time (an extremely long time), using lootshare, to get a hilt as their drop and keep the hilt as something that they can say they spent hundreds of hours getting. not many people kill this many so theres alot of diffrent people go alot the way Then after 1000 kills they finally get the drop with a person that has been only a few times meaning they have to sell it to pay everyone else because they dont have 105mil lieing around the bank, lootshare was on so everyone else will get their share if they keep at it but are to lazy to keep killing it. how is that fair on them? and are you telling me that there going to sell it after all that time they spent just because your demanding it? Good luck with it, i look foward to reading drop log with a great big list of people that have scammed you.

 

 

 

With lootshare off its a diffrent story all together since their drops are not controlled.

 

 

 

My drops - see sig

 

69 Daxes, 14 Chain, 15 Med, 9 Left half, 5 Spear, 5 Skirt, 3 Legs, 12 D2H,80+ boots, 1 DFH

 

Bando: 7 chestplate, 4 tasset, 4 boot, 1 hilt

 

Sara: 6 sara swords

 

Zammy: 7 steams, 8 spear, 1 hilt

 

Armadyl: 5 chestplate, 3 skirt - 60+ shards

 

 

 

Only 2 of these have been with lootshare on which the first was shared and i realised how much i had lost unable to recover from and the second one i knew better (argued before the drop not after), and have been with lootshare where we agree not to share and when others get a hilt they suddenly forget it all about the not sharing part running off calling them a scammer

 

 

 

This is for everyone not just me, when you get a drop with lootshare on and share it and then return to the same place you can tell me if you notice a diffrence

The sad part is that 0hip does spend all his time playing runescape. Thats why he created this thread to whine and complain about it. I wouldn't totally disagree that its sort of 'unfair' for a person that spends ALL their time at gwars to finally get their lootshare drop with some people that barely go gwars, but you have to consider that before going with those people. If you don't realize that as a possibility you are an idiot. So I agree with the theory of that opinion but when applying it to the game.. no, because you should know better. But, I have no sympathy for someone whos entire life is based around an online game. Maybe this is why you need to endulge yourself into a game so much? Because you act the same in real life as you act on the internet.. which would explain your lack of a social life.

 

 

 

The only reason 0hip goes along with the idiocy that is "lootshare" is so that he can use others to his advantage. He used to swear against it, that he would never use lootshare when boss hunting. Then he discovered he can deceive people and use them to his advantage. He doesn't go on runs with people when the drops aren't his, those are the runs that he 'doesnt feel like using LS'. All he wants is drops for himself. I've been on runs with him which were agreed to use lootshare, and as soon as he realized all the drops weren't his he immediatly shut it off and started whining like a baby. "Why am I going to spend money on this armor and weapon if I am not even getting drops" he said. Of course this was before he started his nonsense about keeping your own drops you get at gwars. And notice that Jagex is now altering Lootshare due to player complaints/requests? Selfish, two-faced, lurer, no honor... I could go on with 100+ more similar words or phrases to describe you. After all is said and done 0hip is still the lurer he used to be with a few new tricks up his sleeves.

The sad part is that 0hip does spend all his time playing runescape. Thats why he created this thread to whine and complain about it. I wouldn't totally disagree that its sort of 'unfair' for a person that spends ALL their time at gwars to finally get their lootshare drop with some people that barely go gwars, but you have to consider that before going with those people. If you don't realize that as a possibility you are an idiot. So I agree with the theory of that opinion but when applying it to the game.. no, because you should know better. But, I have no sympathy for someone whos entire life is based around an online game. Maybe this is why you need to endulge yourself into a game so much? Because you act the same in real life as you act on the internet.. which would explain your lack of a social life.

 

 

 

The only reason 0hip goes along with the idiocy that is "lootshare" is so that he can use others to his advantage. He used to swear against it, that he would never use lootshare when boss hunting. Then he discovered he can deceive people and use them to his advantage. He doesn't go on runs with people when the drops aren't his, those are the runs that he 'doesnt feel like using LS'. All he wants is drops for himself. I've been on runs with him which were agreed to use lootshare, and as soon as he realized all the drops weren't his he immediatly shut it off and started whining like a baby. "Why am I going to spend money on this armor and weapon if I am not even getting drops" he said. Of course this was before he started his nonsense about keeping your own drops you get at gwars. And notice that Jagex is now altering Lootshare due to player complaints/requests? Selfish, two-faced, lurer, no honor... I could go on with 100+ more similar words or phrases to describe you. After all is said and done 0hip is still the lurer he used to be with a few new tricks up his sleeves.

 

 

 

Welcome to the forums, now stop bumping old topics.. Jagex is already going to fix lootshare...

^I'm assuming you didn't actually read my post for it had little to do with the original posts topic. And the thread is only 9 days old...? But anyway, i'm just calling out someone who scammed me. Thanks for the welcome.

 

I think you must work for the company, since they have the same stupid logic you do.

 

 

 

The company may have logic you don't like, but remember, it does make the logic of the game.

Yes, Lootshare is pretty fair. Stop complaning :)

At 140,000,000gp for a hilt from GE

 

And the 1000 kills it takes to get one as a drop

 

 

 

140,000,000/1000 = 140,000

 

 

 

so budget yourself to spend under 140k per kill and you will turn a profit.

 

 

 

Are you serious? Have you ever even fought any of these bosses? Do you know how much time and effort it takes to just to kill the boss, yet alone get something good? That means you must kill 4k bosses to get 4 hilts, and lets do some math.

 

 

 

2 minutes per boss * 4000 kills / 60 (minutes) = 266 HOURS!!! THATS KILLING BOSSES FOR 11 DAYS STRAIGHT!!

 

 

 

I honestly doubt your friends who get hilts will want to do that for friends who didnt get, let alone wait.

 

 

 

In addition, once my friend got 2 SHARDS IN ONE TRIP!! What if that after the trade limit? That would be about 1998 hours till the next one.

 

 

 

I think you must work for the company, since they have the same stupid logic you do.

 

 

 

If someone gets a hilt drop, you're trusting them to pay you your share aren't they? And if you get a drop, you'd pay it to mantain your integrity as a good monster hunter, correct?

 

 

 

If you can trust someone to pay you your share in gold, why can't you trust them to keep going GWD with you and pay you in effort + supplies in helping you get your drop?

 

 

 

I'm not saying lootshare is the best system, but Jagex's logic IS valid. For those people who hunt monsters as a career, lootshare can be used fairly over a long period of time...

Well good thing they've listened to players and decided to go allong with what many had suggested on RSOF

Yesterday a team of 4 which i was in recieved a hilt drop brom bandos.

 

Player X recived this.

 

 

 

2day we retured to the bandos boss and after a while i was starting to get all the drops and then i got a tasset drop :D. what happens after i shre that and return to bandos. i get 50k and a rune 2h drop only.... yet player X procces to make 1m from items including 3 rune 2hs and 300k cash...

 

 

 

thats not right? accorind to ur assumtions player X should not receive anything till the rest of our team has made 40mea.. right?

 

 

 

EDIT : i dont care about my grammer. dont say anything.

Yesterday a team of 4 which i was in recieved a hilt drop brom bandos.

 

Player X recived this.

 

 

 

2day we retured to the bandos boss and after a while i was starting to get all the drops and then i got a tasset drop :D. what happens after i shre that and return to bandos. i get 50k and a rune 2h drop only.... yet player X procces to make 1m from items including 3 rune 2hs and 300k cash...

 

 

 

thats not right? accorind to ur assumtions player X should not receive anything till the rest of our team has made 40mea.. right?

 

 

 

EDIT : i dont care about my grammer. dont say anything.

 

 

 

I wouldn't say anything normally, but you directly telling me not to say anything compelled me to say that you have terrible grammar, and that i agree with what I think that you are trying to say, but I'm not actually sure if what I think that you were trying to say is the same as what you actually intended.

0hip ur an idiot some times i use to think u were an ok guy, but ive even seen u state that you dont even share the drops u get at gwd and so thats prolly why you think this would work because people like u dont share them anyway,and another reason ive been on trips where the whole trip i didnt get a single drop except a few bones so if u think its fair then by all means u must be right