Hmm, people should read what others post in the reply before they really post a response.

 

 

 

In anycase, both P2P and F2P contribute to the game, the main reason I just think is that, Jagex will Always focus on P2P instead of F2P, and they WILL, since the MEMBERS pay for the game update and content update.

 

 

 

But, F2p dont really need alot of attention, from Jagex, in fact, we dont really need any more update from Jagex, we just want some respect from our P2P brethrens, to know that we are also players too, we dont deserve much rather then playing the game we are now. This is not to say we should also deserve appluase from P2pers.

 

 

 

Just to goes on like this everyday is good,

 

 

 

Member: So you got those 1k coal? (or raw lobs, or Yew logs)

 

Non member: Yup, here you go

 

Member: thanks, here is your XXXk amount

 

Non member: thanks

 

Member: Np

 

 

 

There, everyone got what they want, both sides happy, a simple ty, and np will do.

 

 

 

Same thing will apply between F2p to F2p, or P2p to P2p, but there is no difference between the 2 fundmentally, because from basic view, both parties are players, and want respect and honesty from each other respectively.

 

Hmm, people should read what others post in the reply before they really post a response.

 

 

 

In anycase, both P2P and F2P contribute to the game, the main reason I just think is that, Jagex will Always focus on P2P instead of F2P, and they WILL, since the MEMBERS pay for the game update and content update.

 

 

 

But, F2p dont really need alot of attention, from Jagex, in fact, we dont really need any more update from Jagex, we just want some respect from our P2P brethrens, to know that we are also players too, we dont deserve much rather then playing the game we are now. This is not to say we should also deserve appluase from P2pers.

 

 

 

Just to goes on like this everyday is good,

 

 

Member: So you got those 1k coal? (or raw lobs, or Yew logs)

 

Non member: Yup, here you go

 

Member: thanks, here is your XXXk amount

 

Non member: thanks

 

Member: Np

 

 

There, everyone got what they want, both sides happy, a simple ty, and np will do.

 

 

 

Same thing will apply between F2p to F2p, or P2p to P2p, but there is no difference between the 2 fundmentally, because from basic view, both parties are players, and want respect and honesty from each other respectively.

 

 

 

My conversation goes more like this:

 

 

 

Random guy: Selling 1000 coal

 

Me: You F2P or P2P

 

Random guy: F2P *Smiles* :)

 

Me: Get the f out newb im not dealing with f2p newbz ty.

 

Random guy: ohh no. Everyone hates me

 

Random guy *thinking IRL*: I need some respect, without me economy would crash, I better make topic tbh.

 

 

 

 

 

In a land were dogs are dogs. :roll:

Well, I guess there is always certain people that just hate F2pers because they didn't pay for one happy meal per month to sell 1k coal to another member

 

 

 

The economy wont crash without F2pers, it would just plumment like any big updates, and climb back up again sooner or later. If Jagex manage to convince new players to join member by in game image shots.

 

 

 

Whats tbh stand for by the way? lol

Well, I guess there is always certain people that just hate F2pers because they didn't pay for one happy meal per month to sell 1k coal to another member

 

 

 

Whats tbh stand for by the way? lol

 

 

 

I was expecting some semi provoking response but you actually summarized my point in one sentence.

 

 

 

Idiots will always be idiots.

 

Immaturity will always be immaturity.

 

 

 

These people you claim that have no respect for F2P'ers are simply: idiots. Along with all the other people who have no respect for other groups of people because of this or that reason. Its life.

 

 

 

(TBH:- To be honest.- Overused teenage "word" on the web)

Yup, exactly like you said Fredz

 

 

 

I generally hope that players I met on RS are more understanding, and tend to think in other's point of view abit more.

 

 

 

Then again, for those who are rude and remain to be hostile, I can only move and and try to forget about it and continue my adventure in Runescape

However, not that F2Pers can cut yew and not have to compete with bots, many more will come to chop them. The prices wont drop to where they were with Bots, but they will drop

 

 

 

Correct! The removing of the RWTs will result in a little price drop, but there won't be a price crash.

i see member running around in east varrock mining pure ess...i see members gather raw items, so i sdon't see how f2p helps...

 

Maybe because some raw material such as pure essence can only be mined in members only worlds? :lol:

Just as is the case with bots.. they make some people happy, and others very UNhappy.

 

 

 

If F2Pers provide cheap goods for P2P, then that is good for those who consume those resources, but bad for P2Pers who want to produce the goods themselves. Since the GE came out and F2P/P2P economic integration has increased, the prices on many items have gone way down, effectively putting P2P players who used to gather those items out of business.

 

 

 

So.. there are winners and losers. I certainly reject any flat claim that F2P is "good" for P2P -- just as I rejected such claims about bots.

I don't know why people would go to your website in the first place, if you don't try to listen to other people you will never get the knowledge to understand them, and if you don't have that you don't have power because like you said "knowledge is power". If the Grand Exchange had a list of who's in need of resources and your name would show up I would pick a other one and put your name on a He Don't Likes You For Being F2P, So Don't Deserves Your Resources List.

 

 

 

Ot: To all those people who do have respect for F2Pers I will give you my respect for keeping the game running with your 5 dollars a month. I don't become member ever, not because I don't have the money but because I think I would get bored over there because I don't see it as a challenge.

So your saying just because F2P supplies some ores and logs that you should get updates?

 

 

 

You already have the SOS, and you just got the duel arena, thats more than you deserve at all. And no, members don't *NEED* you, in fact, without you people might have more incentive to train mining and woodcutting in p2p, which isn't at all a bad thing.

 

 

 

:roll: Stupid f2pers

So your saying just because F2P supplies some ores and logs that you should get updates?

 

 

 

You already have the SOS, and you just got the duel arena, thats more than you deserve at all. And no, members don't *NEED* you, in fact, without you people might have more incentive to train mining and woodcutting in p2p, which isn't at all a bad thing.

 

 

 

:roll: Stupid f2pers

People like you make it hard to respect members, however we can make groups and your not, there are some members (like yourself) that don't deserve respect and there are some members that do.

So your saying just because F2P supplies some ores and logs that you should get updates?

 

 

 

You already have the SOS, and you just got the duel arena, thats more than you deserve at all. And no, members don't *NEED* you, in fact, without you people might have more incentive to train mining and woodcutting in p2p, which isn't at all a bad thing.

 

 

 

:roll: Stupid f2pers

 

 

 

People like you piss me off. The point of the thread was to point out how f2pers help the economy. We aren't saying that we deserve more updates, hell, if anything, we shouldn't have had that many updates. And you bring up the duel arena. The duel arena was given to F2P in order to let them have a 1vs1 area. BH was also neccessary in order to get rid of RWTs. Please don't call us Stupid, it just shows how stupid you really are.

without f2p, prices of f2p items would go waay up, making it harder to get the money for the raw materials.

 

It's amazing how much f2p helps.

 

 

 

Also f2p gets only the updates they need. Even SoS was needed with many people breaking the rules without knowing it. Mems get the extras that make the game fun.

without f2p, prices of f2p items would go waay up, making it harder to get the money for the raw materials.

 

It's amazing how much f2p helps.

 

 

 

Also f2p gets only the updates they need. Even SoS was needed with many people breaking the rules without knowing it. Mems get the extras that make the game fun.

 

Yeah, people should respect other people but not because we are F2p or because they are Members.

 

The reason to why prices would go up without the F2p resources (Yews, Coal, Raw Lobbies etc) would be because a large quantity of RuneScape's players would be gone. Without the F2P'ers the number of resources would dramatically decrease.

 

 

 

Now the people we should show respect to are, the ones that follow the

 

rules and gather the resources we need, no matter if they are F2p or Members.

without f2p, prices of f2p items would go waay up, making it harder to get the money for the raw materials.

 

It's amazing how much f2p helps.

 

 

 

Also f2p gets only the updates they need. Even SoS was needed with many people breaking the rules without knowing it. Mems get the extras that make the game fun.

 

Yeah, people should respect other people but not because we are F2p or because they are Members.

 

The reason to why prices would go up without the F2p resources (Yews, Coal, Raw Lobbies etc) would be because a large quantity of RuneScape's players would be gone. Without the F2P'ers the number of resources would dramatically decrease.

 

 

 

Now the people we should show respect to are, the ones that follow the

 

rules and gather the resources we need, no matter if they are F2p or Members.

 

 

 

Wow, a voice of reason on this thread.

Well without f2p there wouldn't be p2p...

What I'm getting from this topic is; now that bots are gone. It's F2P's job to collect raw material.

 

 

 

Now i get what you are trying to say. Your opening post didn't suggest this at all. It was saying that f2p supply raw materials, which is not entirely true.

i don't remember people ever whining when there was ONLY f2p. It took just as much time and was as difficult as it is now, and no one said much about it. Why are there so many free players whining about free things? I don't think f2p players benefit anything. Some say they benefit the economy, and are a huge part of raw resources. I think this is false. I see many many p2p players gathering resources. I also do this and supply my own resources. If f2p players didn't gather all resources, then someone else will. I think a lot of f2p players are just looking to feel important somehow, thinking that you affect a video game's imaginary economy. WOOOOOOO.

F2P deserve some small updates just not many.

 

Why? Because they dont pay for anything! P2P can get all the materials they need without F2P! Im not paying money so some other people can get mor updates XD

i don't remember people ever whining when there was ONLY f2p. It took just as much time and was as difficult as it is now, and no one said much about it. Why are there so many free players whining about free things? I don't think f2p players benefit anything. Some say they benefit the economy, and are a huge part of raw resources. I think this is false. I see many many p2p players gathering resources. I also do this and supply my own resources. If f2p players didn't gather all resources, then someone else will. I think a lot of f2p players are just looking to feel important somehow, thinking that you affect a video game's imaginary economy. WOOOOOOO.

 

 

 

That's not enough solid proof to prove your point.

 

You say you see many Members gathering their own resources but that doesn't mean that there are enough of them to please every Members needs, you can't base something on a few players out of millions of players, it's just like pulling statics out of your rear.

 

F2p is a big part of the raw resources, just think about it, there are many millions more F2p players than there are Members, of course not all of these millions of players gather resources but, I think, alot more F2p players than Members do it.

 

 

 

F2p is important to the raw resource market and Members could survive without our resources but the prices would be sky high.

 

 

 

The topic starter is just trying to get some respect of people, I don't think he is trying to make F2p players look more or less important than anyone else, the ones that should be respected are the ones that treat you good and not Flame about something just by reading the topic title. :roll:

Points can be repeatly brought up as we go along on this thread, but again guys, try to stay on an objective point of view instead of destructive comments that defeat the purpose of this thread....

 

 

 

Now thats out of the way, F2P also serve like a training ground for P2P, simply because you can build foundation for most of the skills in F2P first BEFORE (again, I am sure there is also F2P and P2P pures) moving on to P2P.

 

 

 

Say I just started out this game because someone I know in real life refer me to it, I went to Runescape page, and start making my first character and start at Lumbrdige, through months of training, the player start to get better and more experienced than before. When the time comes, and save up enough money from yew logs, raw lobbies, limp roots (another thing which have little use for F2P except for Str potion, but more useful ground for member) and other resources, then the player decide to join member for more interesting game play and expanded universe.

 

 

 

With that in mind, some players, logically speaking, would want to get the "functional" lvls in basic skills first before joining member, such as be able to cut yew logs, make nature rune (which a RC lvl you can get in F2P, but F2P just can't craft it), mine coal or at least have enough lvl to enter guilds like crafting, and cooking, and mining.

 

 

 

Once the functional lvl is reached, then enter into member world would be more sensible, since you dont waste your member time start ground up (then again, if you are pure skillers, you probably have a main already, and what the Main do, is that you SIMPLY get the experience on how to train properly with the help of experience first from Main). I dont know the statistics on this, but if they do a poll on how many people actually join up to be member when they heard from their friends for the first time in their life, I think that number would be very small.

 

 

 

Players with more experienced perspective or skills have to start somewhere first, we all have to start out at Lumbridge, and eventually build our way up, of course you can do that in members too, but I can't really think of any practical reason why any new player would want to do that unless they play Runescape beforehand, and knew exactly where to train, what to gather, what monster to kill.

We often take our own experience for granted, and wonder why some players do things less effiecently, mainly, the difference that differentiate a new or inexperienced player, to a experienced player, are the knowledge and tips they gather from their own tme and friends to train faster and more efficently compare to others.

 

 

 

For example, players will value the point of xp vs money, do I want more xp so i can reach a lvl faster, or do I want to train slow and gather better items so i can sell later (yew logs), as my own personal experience, first time I start playing Runescape, I have no idea what logs are used for, when someone told me that their friends manage to get millions by selling logs I was pretty much dumbfolded (why would anyone buy logs? whats the use for it other than starting a fire and cook food?) Eventually, I learn that members use willow logs and yew logs thats obtainable in F2P as well. So I start cutting those logs in order to get some money. After another month of playing, I finally learn the difference between a Mith axe and addy axe, and start using better axe to cut tree faster, and train firemaking and woodcuting at same time so I can reach the yew cutting lvl faster, to make big cash, then finally know where to sell the logs (world 1, for 250ea), and how to read waves of in game msgs (had to stand there for few seconds, and then walk to a quiet spot, and scroll back due to sheer amount of msg being refreshed all the time)

Again, when people read the title of this thread, I am sure alot of people will have mixed feeling about it, so just to reiterate.

 

 

 

In MY OWN OPINION, and this does not express everyone's opinion in F2P or P2P

 

 

 

F2Pers DONT need more update, because its good and sustainable in its own ways (same for Member worlds, but they will get more updates since they are the one thats paying for it), if both side have no intereraction to each other, 2 sides would be fine once the another wave of rants and complains die down.

 

 

 

We dont pay for the game contents, we are playing RS and keeping it F2P side alive by watching the ad to keep our F2P worlds online, and if thats all we do for the next x number of years until Jagex stop Runescape or some catastrophe that bring on the end of world, thats fine with me

 

 

 

F2P supply raw materials for higher lvl players because we are limited in what we can get overall, bars, logs, raw food, rune ess, (and thats all we can get, and thats how we know to sell for cash) but this is not to say that we are the main supplier since Jagex never keep tabs on which side sell more. The GE further integrates both sides resources. Certain things for example have to be supply by members, such as nature runes, unless F2P want to spend countless time hitting dark wizards, hobgoblins, zombie, and giants, its really hard to buy LARGE amount of nat in F2P

 

 

 

(it took me 2 years to get 30k Nat from ice giants, when my other member friend got that amount in 2 days by abyss RC)

 

 

 

Overall, we just want to be treated as another RS player, just as you would treat the people on your friend list (assuming they are honest too), not freeloaders who beg for updates all the time (the only one I can remember is more bank space, again, in my previous msg, I said that old bank space number is adquete enough already)

Although f2p is very important to Runescape, and it can be quite hard getting things done - I was f2p for a few months about 4 months ago - it is still a gift from Jagex to you. You haven't paid them anything, yet they give you all these servors, and give you great updates like clanchat and the Grand Exchange.

 

 

 

I think that f2p is very important in Runescape, but it is still the best served, most frequently updated game on the web.

The trade is slowed down but actually it is FINALLY as it should. Yew log prices have increased but not too strongly, they are now 400 each. And more people will come to cut it because it is now extremely easy to turn them into money. If something isneeded more in runescape, it's soon fixed because it causes the prices go up (in grand exchance), until there is adequate production for it.

i like f2p (unless pointless noobs follow me for: no reason/money/my password :evil: / to be their bf) and im glad that they get SOME updates like the more bank space. f2p ftw :P