Higher combat levels

[Made0f12une]

You can't raise summoning to a reasonable level without fighting, its a combat skill: it increases your ability to take and inflict damage.

 

 

 

It doesn't increase you're respect, maturity, game intelligence, niceness, honesty, or any other genuine traits that you see from legitimate high levels that have determination and can actually comprehend these people/social skills

 

 

 

Uhm, thats like saying "Not training smithing in your overall level makes you increase you're respect, maturity, game intelligence, niceness, honesty, or any other genuine traits "... I have 3 things to say to that.

 

 

 

1) Levels have nothing to do with how a person acts. I've seen people PC their levels to have high combat stats and low overall, and they are some of the nicest people I've ever met. While I've seen people train their stats on monsters and range the "old" way, and being total jerks all the time. Levels have nothing to do with it at all.

 

 

 

2) And not trying to flame you, but you said "increase you're...game intelligence..". Correct me if im wrong, but your saying, by training a skill, we are learning less about the game? Wouldnt you learn more about a game by training another skill because its expanding your skill base. Sounds like your just unhappy that summon messes up your "perfect combat".

 

 

 

3) I personaly, do not BH, so combat matters little to me. I think summoning is a wonderful addition into the game, because it adds a little fun and exciement. Also, when your killing and training, its nice to know you have a little helper around to keep you company and help you out when needed. Sadly people like you cannot see this as you are only focus on a level number and the whole "having awsome stats for a low combat level" concept. You dont have to personaly to train the skill, but calling people who train summoning "un-mature, un-intelligent, not honest, ect.." sounds childish to me.

 

 

 

Hate to burst your bubble, but there are alot people who play runescape who dont care about combat levels. Just because someone has 60 summoning, attack, strength, and defence, dosent mean they are any less of a player than someone who has 80 attack and strength. The same is also true for the opposite way around. Dont judge people on their combat level, or what levels they chose to train.

 

 

 

Back on topic:

 

Summoning is the main reason for the combat increase, espeically since alot of people gain a few levels just to try it out, or get some of the cool famliars. Espeically the terrorbird, which is a great addition to training alot of other skills.

 

 

 

I'm willing to admit, I did only read half of your post, so this is aimed only at the top half.

 

 

 

I think you're looking at this the wrong. The way a person acts and treats other people is solely up to the individual. Yes there is both sides to what I was saying (Aka low leveled nice guys and high level jerks) but what you need to realize is that for a long while, people held high levels in high places. Why? Because they were the determined ones, they were the ones that stuck around long enough to achieve something and took pride in it. A lot of what you see now is low levelers using their summoning to gain combat levels to have a sense of superiority over other players because they are "more powerful" when in reality, they're not that much more powerful then they were before.

 

 

 

As for the game knowledge aspect, you're right, and you're wrong. Yes they are learning something about the game by exploring other skills, but they're learning less about the game because they can spend less time to gain something of high standards and "greatness". If they trained the old way, they'd spend more time in game, more time exploring areas, more time collecting items, more time using these items to raise skills etc. etc. Where as now if they use summoning to get a few extra levels so they can go plunder God Wars Dungeon, they may completely ignore other aspects of the game and focus solely on the most desirable things in the game: Power and Wealth.

[Mercifull]

I've got to level 51 100% from Juna and the occasional experience lamp. Outside of the quest I havnt made a single pouch.

 

The summoning level bumps me up to combat 126 compared to my f2p level of 120 (thats +6 levels). I imagine that someone who actually trained summoning properly would easily have level 70 and +8-9 combat levels. Thats why you are seeing so many higher levelled people, around these days.

[SwreeTak]

It have become easier to get over level 100 in combat since the release of summoning, but it's still hard. Level 100 is a high level and you need to play quite a lot to reach it. But your question is however there have come more levels 100. Yes, is my answer, but only a little. I haven't seen more than a few more level 100s now than I used to. This of course with where you are in the game. But generally, yes, there are more level 100s, but they're not that many more than they were not a to long while before.

[InkofDeath]

If you ask me, 100+ combat hasn't been rare since Pest Control was released.

 

Exactly, the level 100 mark, is now the level 125 mark. Anything less is just not interesting.

[Michael]

If you ask me, 100+ combat hasn't been rare since Pest Control was released.

 

Exactly, the level 100 mark, is now the level 125 mark. Anything less is just not interesting.

 

 

 

So add 25 cmb lvls just because of summoning and PC, that's just idiotic. The 105 mark is now what 100 used to be.

[green9090]

How exactly does this cheapen combat levels? I used to be far above average combat level, and still am. The difference being that before I was 124ish combat and now I'm 132 combat. No noobs have taken my status from me, because the previous level 118ish who are now 124ish are still lower than me. I only see a problem if YOU aren't training summoning, and the "noobs" are. But then, if they're willing to spend time on a combat skill and you aren't... well, who's the noob now?

[Julius Casar]

Yeah levels are so much easier to get nowadays with summoning, although it is quite an expensive skill. I've seen level 126s with untrimmed cooking cape which imo is a bit nooby (im 126 with 4 combat 99s xD) but yeah. Summoning is a useful skill so I dont mind. And true what Green9090 has - no status has been taken away from anyone, just train the skill.

[Zaaps1]

Maybe I'm old fashioned, maybe I'm just an idiot, but I don't think that inventory space should determine your combat level. I also don't think getting someone or something else to help you defeat a creature should give you combat levels. Combat was one of the last things that wasn't buyable and required hard work. I am very adamant on my stances and will not be changed. Combat level to me is F2P; always will be.

 

 

 

Prayer? IT's buyable, and contributes the same to combat was summoning. Plus it's a lot easier since you don't have to gather charms, and they cost about the same depending on how you get your charms.Prayer is a lot faster too, after you include charm-gathering time.

[Made0f12une]

How exactly does this cheapen combat levels? I used to be far above average combat level, and still am. The difference being that before I was 124ish combat and now I'm 132 combat. No noobs have taken my status from me, because the previous level 118ish who are now 124ish are still lower than me. I only see a problem if YOU aren't training summoning, and the "noobs" are. But then, if they're willing to spend time on a combat skill and you aren't... well, who's the noob now?

 

 

 

It's the fact that these "noobs" train summoning to boost thier combat levels and then proceed to act like they're more superior to others. If they trained summoning from combat 118-124 they are no more stronger then they where before so I don't know why they use it as an ego booster. That's what turns me off from the skill.

[bsmovies]

Combat level average has raised with the update. that's definite

[InkofDeath]

It's the fact that these "noobs" train summoning to boost thier combat levels and then proceed to act like they're more superior to others. If they trained summoning from combat 118-124 they are no more stronger then they where before so I don't know why they use it as an ego booster. That's what turns me off from the skill.

 

Except they are stronger...I don't know why you fail to see them as stronger, when they are?

[snowball]

How exactly does this cheapen combat levels? I used to be far above average combat level, and still am. The difference being that before I was 124ish combat and now I'm 132 combat. No noobs have taken my status from me, because the previous level 118ish who are now 124ish are still lower than me. I only see a problem if YOU aren't training summoning, and the "noobs" are. But then, if they're willing to spend time on a combat skill and you aren't... well, who's the noob now?

 

 

 

It's the fact that these "noobs" train summoning to boost thier combat levels and then proceed to act like they're more superior to others. If they trained summoning from combat 118-124 they are no more stronger then they where before so I don't know why they use it as an ego booster. That's what turns me off from the skill.

 

 

 

not everyone trains summoning to increase his/her combat level you know. I trained it to 41 using tomes and tears and I did so for the bull ant, minotuar, and macaw. I will proceed to train it for the higher level familars.

 

 

 

Also, they are stronger. I would imagine a person is better than before if they can summon a beast that is above or around their level to help then in combat or skills

[Shadow_Clawe]

Maybe it has changed a little, but barely.

[Triquos]

Higher combat levels = more demand for high level updates = happy triq :lol:

[guitar_god_2007]

Befor summ came out i was level 122, im now level 127. Granted i got a few other levels in melee but none the less id say i got about 10 - 11 cmb just due to summ

[Opethorchid0]

It's actually easier with all of the new armor coming out, and hundreds -- even thousands -- of different monsters to train on.

[aspokaspofkjsopfkapo]

I've seen level 126s with untrimmed cooking cape which imo is a bit nooby (im 126 with 4 combat 99s xD)

 

compufreak has 99 magic now :lol:

 

 

 

ontopic: the new combat levels that you get with summoning are your real combat level, a level 118 with 68 summoning would be better or the same in most cases than a level 118 with 1 summoning. People said the same thing when prayer came out and now look how much people use it

[xSxqPowerx]

You can't raise summoning to a reasonable level without fighting, its a combat skill: it increases your ability to take and inflict damage.

 

 

 

It doesn't increase you're respect, maturity, game intelligence, niceness, honesty, or any other genuine traits that you see from legitimate high levels that have determination and can actually comprehend these people/social skills

Stupidest thing I've ever read.

 

 

 

Perhaps my view is skewed seeing as I am 99 summoning... however I don't really see how summoning is somehow different than other combat skills. The few combat levels gained at the lower levels in summoning hardly make you an illegitimate player, and those with high summoning have spent a lot of time and money on the skill... and it's definitely the most difficult combat skill.

 

Don't even try to tell me that it doesn't affect combat ability. Other than not being able to be used in BH, it is useful pretty much everywhere. I can pretty much one hit people my own level using the steel titan... and when training it can get around 10k range experience/hour on its own.

 

 

 

What do any of those traits really have to do with combat level anyway?

 

And seriously, being stronger than your combat level suggests for dangerous pvp minigames is not the point of this game.

[Made0f12une]

It's the fact that these "noobs" train summoning to boost thier combat levels and then proceed to act like they're more superior to others. If they trained summoning from combat 118-124 they are no more stronger then they where before so I don't know why they use it as an ego booster. That's what turns me off from the skill.

 

Except they are stronger...I don't know why you fail to see them as stronger, when they are?

 

 

 

Has their Strength Gone up?

 

Has their Defence gone up?

 

Has their Attack, Magic, Range, or Prayer gone up?

 

 

 

No, the only thing that HAS Gone up is their combat level, Summoning level, and total level, all of which do no contribute to how powerful and/or strong someones character is. They are absolutely no stronger then they were before. Summoning is a side skill that allows you the use of familiars to HELP you become stronger. They're no different then potions, without them, the user is still exactly the same as they were before. So these "noobs" should not be using the skill to raise their combat level and in turn use that as an ego booster because they think that if they're a higher combat, they're more superior to others because they're no more superior, or stronger, then they were before. The only thing that has changed is that they have cloaked their level.

 

 

 

You can't raise summoning to a reasonable level without fighting, its a combat skill: it increases your ability to take and inflict damage.

 

 

 

It doesn't increase you're respect, maturity, game intelligence, niceness, honesty, or any other genuine traits that you see from legitimate high levels that have determination and can actually comprehend these people/social skills

Stupidest thing I've ever read.

 

 

 

Perhaps my view is skewed seeing as I am 99 summoning... however I don't really see how summoning is somehow different than other combat skills.

 

 

 

Because it's not a combat skill, it's a combat addition. The use of familiars and summoning has absolutely NOTHING to do with the powerfulness of your charector. Like mentioned above it's a side skill that HELPS with combat such as potions.

[xSxqPowerx]

Not going to quote it...

 

However, they ARE stronger. Attack allows you to use weapons to help you fight... strength allows you to hit higher... prayer gives your stats a boost... summoning lets you use familiars to damage opponents.

 

I don't think I've really come close to losing a 1v1 fight to anyone when I have used steel titan and my opponent didn't have a familiar.

 

My experience per hour on slayer tasks has also gone WAY up using it.

[fastknight20]

it is mainly summoning and how you get charms. Summoning gives combat levels by leveling but it also gives combat levels when hunting for charms. I went from 106 to 115 by getting to 63 summoning, and the levels that was gained through getting charms.

[Infernosage4]

I don't understand why it matters that someone is a higher combat level after they trained a combat skill. Summoning is a combat skill whether you like it or not. You may get those ego driven noobs that believe that they are superior because of a few combat levels from Summoning. On the other hand, you'll have equally as many (if not more) people that are mature about it and don't think they are superior than others. You can't base a person's personality off of their combat level as has been proven many times before. No matter if a person has trained summoning or not, they are still that ego driven maniac or the calm mature player at the end of the day.

 

 

 

Why don't you let people play the game how they want to play the game. Honestly, if people want to train Summoning then they may do that. If people don't want to train it, then that's fine too. I'm sorry that people don't play the game under your definition of how the game should be played.

 

 

 

Note: Not directing this at anyone in particular. It's just my way of getting a point across.

[green9090]

Because it's not a combat skill, it's a combat addition. The use of familiars and summoning has absolutely NOTHING to do with the powerfulness of your charector. Like mentioned above it's a side skill that HELPS with combat such as potions.

 

 

 

EXACTLY, it's something that HELPS. Like potions. Let's run with that potion example for a moment here.

 

 

 

Let's imagine a world in which you needed the appropriate herblore level to DRINK a potion. If you can't make that super set, you can't use one in a fight. Would it be fair in this case if herblore didn't affect combat level? Wouldn't a level 110 unpotted be DECIMATED by a level 110 using a super set and a prayer potion? Yes.

 

 

 

If summoning is like potions, but they need a level (in this case summoning) to use, doesn't it make sense that it raises combat? And if you're going to argue that familiars don't help at all in combat, go fight somebody with a steel titan and see what you think afterwards.

[Infernosage4]

Because it's not a combat skill, it's a combat addition. The use of familiars and summoning has absolutely NOTHING to do with the powerfulness of your charector. Like mentioned above it's a side skill that HELPS with combat such as potions.

 

 

 

EXACTLY, it's something that HELPS. Like potions. Let's run with that potion example for a moment here.

 

 

 

Let's imagine a world in which you needed the appropriate herblore level to DRINK a potion. If you can't make that super set, you can't use one in a fight. Would it be fair in this case if herblore didn't affect combat level? Wouldn't a level 110 unpotted be DECIMATED by a level 110 using a super set and a prayer potion? Yes.

 

 

 

If summoning is like potions, but they need a level (in this case summoning) to use, doesn't it make sense that it raises combat? And if you're going to argue that familiars don't help at all in combat, go fight somebody with a steel titan and see what you think afterwards.

 

 

 

But, Herblore indirectly affects combat as in it raises a combat stat which then decides on what you may or may not hit. Summoning directly affects it as in your familiar does damage on it's own accord. The difference is a subtle one, but a difference nonetheless.

[green9090]

But, Herblore indirectly affects combat as in it raises a combat stat which then decides on what you may or may not hit. Summoning directly affects it as in your familiar does damage on it's own accord. The difference is a subtle one, but a difference nonetheless.

 

 

 

If you take a super set, your opponent is likely to take more damage/second, and you less damage/second, than without. If you have a steel titan, your opponent is likely to take more damage/second, and you less damage/second, than without.

 

 

 

Sorry, what were you saying about a difference?