Slayer - combat skill or not?

[Promise]

Slayer is a combat related skill, but it doesn't affect your combat level, so its not a combat skill.

 

 

 

So no.

 

 

 

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[muggiwhplar]

Why? He is saying anything that doesnt give combat levels isnt combat skill...so If I'm 99 everyhting but mage or range adn i get 1-99 of thsoe without gaining 1 cb lvls then it is non combat?

 

 

 

I assumed you'd know that melee skills are weighted more than range and magic because someone fighting w/ only 99 range or 99 magic against someone with 99 att and str will lose

 

 

 

O btw you say I'm not bright your the one who bug abuses lol

 

 

 

Very nice

 

 

 

Max tank say they 1 att and str they can get up to 99 att or str without a cb lvl

 

 

 

Once your att lvl plus your str lvl is greater than or equal to 150, you're permanently melee-based

[frogspoons]

Anything that gives you an advantage pvp is a combat skill. therefore slayer is not. simple :)

 

 

 

Close topic?? :P

[AlexDT]

a combat skill why? because it helps you kill stuff like dark beasts and lets you unlock new amours like defense and it is raised by killing stuff

 

It is a non-combat skill that requires combat to train. Say we have 2 maxed combat characters and one is 99 slayer and the other is 1...the player with 99 slayer has no combat advantage over the player with 1 slayer if they were to fight each other or a non-slayer monster.

and yes he does he has new weapons and items

 

 

 

By your logic, runecrafting should be considered a combat skill, since you can earn money from it.

 

I haven't earned any money from slayer, so why do you assume that I'd have better weapons and armour?

 

 

 

It's a non-combat skill. Slayer only gives you the knowledge on how to kill certain creatures, it doesn't magically make you stronger against them.

 

Combat skills are skills which improve your combat prowess. For example, strength helps you hit harder, summoning lets you fight alongside a familiar, prayer allows you to use the gods in combat. Slayer, however, will not help you in a duel, or when fighting General Graardor. Your combat level is an indication of how dangerous you are in a fight.

 

 

 

This is particularly evident when looking at summoning. It's a members-only combat skill, so when you enter f2p, your summoning levels don't count towards your cb level. This means that at bounty hunter or clan wars, or when showing off, people know (almost exactly) how much of a chance they'd have of beating you. The combat level system is, of course, flawed, and pures abused that; Jagex just didn't want to make it any more flawed.

 

 

 

So yeah, slayer is definitely a non-combat skill. Herblore gives you the ability to make super strs, but it doesn't go towards your combat level.

[Fishies]

Noncombat. You can't use Slayer to help you in PvP, like the other combat skills.

[Zierro]

Wait what? You can't level it with reocils/books?

 

 

 

You can do that with Summoning too.

 

 

 

Anyways, I'll just call it a skill. It's like how 0 is neutral on the number line. It is neither positive, nor negative but it is still a number.

[Zaaps1]

it's a non-combat skill. Slayer is very closely related to combat (skills) but is not a combat skill itself. All combat skills raise your combat lvl, which slayer doesn't. A lvl 3 could have 99 slayer and still be lvl 3.

 

 

 

Slayer is NOT a combat skill.

 

 

 

Combat, because you have to fight things to level it up :P

 

 

 

NO, you don't HAVE to fight things to lvl it up, you can also lvl slay with lamps OR Ring of Recoil your task which is not fighting (imo)

 

 

 

 

1) Raising slayer by recoils/vengence has been removed. You must now damage the monster DIRECTLY in order to gain xp. Good while it last though, eh?

 

 

 

2) But you could use books/lamps for any skill. Say I don't cast a single spell my entire life. But I get 99 from lamps/book (wish me luck :-# ). Does that make magic noncombat?

[wild_goat_14]

 

Why? He is saying anything that doesnt give combat levels isnt combat skill...so If I'm 99 everyhting but mage or range adn i get 1-99 of thsoe without gaining 1 cb lvls then it is non combat?

 

Wow, you're stupid. It can raise you combat level if you have 1 in all stats. Slayer will never add combat levels.

 

O btw you say I'm not bright your the one who bug abuses lol

 

Here's a life lesson. When trying to tell someone that you're not stupid, at least type out the sentence you are defending yourself with.

 

 

 

You're also an idiot for flaming him for no reason. Even if you wanted to do what he did you'd be too dumb to figure it out -.-

[alphakoldes]

There's really no point in giving my opinion on this until everyone agrees with what a "combat skill" means exactly.

[WildxYak]

I don't think that it's a combat skill.

 

It doesn't let you kill monsters any quicker or more efficiently, it doesn't help in PvP or PvM.

[hellbellz]

It's a combat related skill, not necessarily a combat skill.

[doomy]

Combat skill, in my opinion.

 

You use combat to get it up.

 

 

 

And if you say, genies, recoils...

 

Then is mage a combat skill? Is Range (using a cannon)?, you can use lamps on attack.

[hellbellz]

DOOMY, ranged and magic both raise your combat level. lol.

[BloodArgon]

DOOMY, ranged and magic both raise your combat level. lol.

 

 

 

Recoils on mage ftw.

[Sdnthirty]

A combat skill doesnt have to raise cb lvl IMO slayer is nothing but combat everything tied into it is combat.

[Sdnthirty]

I don't think that it's a combat skill.

 

It doesn't let you kill monsters any quicker or more efficiently, it doesn't help in PvP or PvM.

 

 

 

Well you need to do slayer to wear the armour example is say a 10 defence pure they mostly wear black armour but now they can get the slayer helm which gives more defence bonus which will give them an advantage over another pure same level same stats without slayer helm

[Sdnthirty]

 

Why? He is saying anything that doesnt give combat levels isnt combat skill...so If I'm 99 everyhting but mage or range adn i get 1-99 of thsoe without gaining 1 cb lvls then it is non combat?

 

Wow, you're stupid. It can raise you combat level if you have 1 in all stats. Slayer will never add combat levels.

 

O btw you say I'm not bright your the one who bug abuses lol

 

Here's a life lesson. When trying to tell someone that you're not stupid, at least type out the sentence you are defending yourself with.

 

 

 

You're also an idiot for flaming him for no reason. Even if you wanted to do what he did you'd be too dumb to figure it out -.-

 

 

 

Seeing how he flamed me first ;) and I know how to do the ba bug with blood runes I jsut wasnt dumb enough to do it and get caught.

[Carcher]

This thread is becoming a flame war.

 

Now my opinion is it's NOT a combat skill. People might have different views on what a combat skill is(something that levels your combat lvl or just needs combat to actually train it). Though really, Jagex ideas of a combat skill is clearly something that levels your combat lvl.

[mervinator_9]

Its not a combat skill as it doesn't raise combat lvls, im surprised theres so much debate about it tbh,

 

it also dosent help you in combat outside of the skill so if your level 99 slayer and fighting and monster which is not a task then you've got the exact same chance to beat it as someone with the same levels but with 1 slayer

 

that said it is the closest thing to a combat skill by a long way

[AndyPandy]

Non combat.

 

 

 

A level 138 with 99 slayer has no advantage over a level 138 with 1 slayer in a fight.

 

 

 

What does combat level mean? Your abilities at fighting. Slayer does not give you any extra abilities in a fight, defence makes you get hit less, attack makes you hit more often, strength makes you hit higher etc.

 

 

 

~Boo

[Triquos]

Combat skill - you kill more than 100K monsters on the road to 99 slayer, with summoning you need to kill less than half of that.

 

 

 

Yes slayer may not contribute against a fight with another player, but take for example the places where you CAN'T use a familiar, like bounty hunter, a 126 would hit no differently to a 138, thus rendering summoning utterly useless.

 

 

 

I think slayer deserves combat levels because it may not be slaughtering thousands of players, but 100K MONSTERS is a bigger achievement to me than an expensive cape with only half the kills (less than 40k kills for enough charms for 99 summoning).

 

 

 

Even when the day comes when I get 99 summoning (currently 87, 1 away from 137 combat :o :o :o) i'll still wear my slayer cape, because it's taken me longer, more kills, and it shows how much effort i've put into killing atleast 100K monsters.

 

 

 

I hope you can see it from my point of view, if not, I understand, everyone is entitled to their opinion, and everyone has different views on what should and shouldn't be a combat skill, other people here make valid points too.

[mrpez]

Why does EVERYTHING on this forum have to be a bit of speculation?

 

^ :thumbup:

 

 

 

if it doesnt raise your combat level, then its NOT a combat skill. goddamn, was that so hard?

[Sdnthirty]

Combat skill - you kill more than 100K monsters on the road to 99 slayer, with summoning you need to kill less than half of that.

 

 

 

Yes slayer may not contribute against a fight with another player, but take for example the places where you CAN'T use a familiar, like bounty hunter, a 126 would hit no differently to a 138, thus rendering summoning utterly useless.

 

 

 

I think slayer deserves combat levels because it may not be slaughtering thousands of players, but 100K MONSTERS is a bigger achievement to me than an expensive cape with only half the kills (less than 40k kills for enough charms for 99 summoning).

 

 

 

Even when the day comes when I get 99 summoning (currently 87, 1 away from 137 combat :o :o :o) i'll still wear my slayer cape, because it's taken me longer, more kills, and it shows how much effort i've put into killing atleast 100K monsters.

 

 

 

I hope you can see it from my point of view, if not, I understand, everyone is entitled to their opinion, and everyone has different views on what should and shouldn't be a combat skill, other people here make valid points too.

 

 

 

Finally some one sees what I'm trying to say...just cuz it gives no cb lvls doesnt mean it isnt combat skill

[Socrates]

In my opinion no, it does not aid you in combat :thumbup:

[SirHartlar]

Why does EVERYTHING on this forum have to be a bit of speculation?

 

^ :thumbup:

 

 

 

if it doesnt raise your combat level, then its NOT a combat skill. goddamn, was that so hard?

 

 

 

This isn't even speculation, you can't just copy-paste that quote into every thread with a thumbs up with relevance...

 

 

 

I'd say no, but I guess it is up for debate.