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Guy has an active social life and has fun with friends and puts himself in social situations and meets girl. Girl sees fun interesting guy, is into him. They get together, he becomes more and more reliant on her to give him attention and fill his social life. She isn't dating the fun interesting guy, shes dating a guy who is reliant on her to make himself feel good. She feels less and less romantic about the situation and more and more like a caretaker. Tipping point and break up. This isn't everyone but the guys who do this certainly can benefit from some Muggi advice. 

 

Though I think that you can maintain balance without going poly. Just by setting some standards that you won't back down on such as going out with friends without inviting the lady.

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Went drinking with one of my friends who wanted to try OKC after seeing my success with it.

 

I asked him if I could see his phone, I wanted to try and schedule at least one date for him by the end of the night. He said he had given up and deleted his OKC account. SMH.

 

Me: Why don't you just try to do what I've been doing? It's working for me and tons of other people too.

 

Him: I just feel like I shouldn't have to change myself in order to get results. [keywords: feel; shouldn't have to]

 

Me: Ok, let me just ask you two things then: 1. how is that working out so far? Are you getting the results you want with your current strategy/beliefs?

 

Him: hahaha ok I see your point, you've got me there. No I'm not.

 

Me: Ok, 2. You've known me for almost six years now. How much do you think I've changed since you first met me?

 

Him: Well you're definitely a lot more confident.

 

Me: Right, but my core personality's basically the same, right? I'm still more or less the same person you met five years ago?

 

Him: Yeah.

 

Me: Ok so then you can still improve your dating skills while "being yourself," right?

 

Him: I have to go to the bathroom, brb.........

 

 

Well I tried :P Didn't bother to bring up the subject again when he returned.

 

I wish more people would ask themselves "How are my current beliefs/habits working out for me so far? Are they making me happy?"

 

People just don't seem to realize that if

A) your current beliefs and habits aren't making you happy

B) you do not change

 

Then you're doomed to remain unhappy


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people are emotional creatures, not logical ones. not everyone is fortunate enough to be brought up in an environment that emphasizes logical decisions over emotional ones, so for a lot of people they've never really considered trying what you're suggesting. And since it's completely foreign to them, it seems insurmountable.

 

My experience is that you can change people, but it takes a long time - persistent effort and baby steps.


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Yeah at this point I only discuss these things with my friends to plant a seed in their minds, so in the future if things go south, at least they know that they aren't completely doomed and they can come to me for help. It also helps me sleep a little better at night knowing that I at least tried to help them make smart decisions.

 

As much as I'd love to prevent them from making bad decisions in the first place, I don't think it's realistic to expect them to change without getting burned first.

 

In other words, I'm pessimistic about the next few years for my friends, however I remain optimistic about the distant future. Like you said, these things take time :P


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Curse me and my fear of taking actions.


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So I've noticed this thread's regulars all follow similar trends.

 

RPG is constantly dealing with psycho exes.

Muggi reminds us of the joys of polygamy.

Saq is totally oblivious to how much chicks dig him.

I strike out every other week.

Kalphite wages a war against the friend zone.

Randox pretty much stays rational.

Etc, etc

 

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Curse me and my fear of taking actions.

Did the fear also inhibit you from elaborating?

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I thought I should write a post on how I personally overcame those fears since AFAIK most of the people ITT are still virgins, or at the very least they don't have very much control over their dating/sex/relationship lives >_>

 

Pretty much just wrote as much stuff as I could as it popped into my mind so I apologize if this post seems incoherent and shit. I also didn't feel like re-reading and proofreading it after I wrote it cuz it's long as [bleep] and I've got stuff to do :P

 

[hide=How to Succeed at Dating: A Brief Guide for Socially-Awkward Basement-Dwelling Neckbeards and Virgins:]

1. Get a part-time job in retail/customer service.

My first job was a part-time cashier at the university book store. Many of the customers were hot college girls. This job was great because it forced me to interact with hot women, even if all I was doing was ringing up their textbooks and then telling them to have a nice day. In my first week working there, I remember feeling nervous when a hot girl would come to my register. By the time I quit working there, I would always hope that hot girls would come to my register so I could talk to them.

 

This job didn't teach me how to get laid, but it did teach me that most people are inherently friendly and polite to strangers, and that making small talk with strangers (whether it's a little old lady or a smoking hot sorority girl) is nothing to be afraid of.

 

2. Spend as much time as possible with friends/acquaintances who possess desirable qualities/attitudes/beliefs

I had two close friends who I spent as much time as possible with. One friend was basically a troll in real life. He was socially fearless, he straight up didn't give a [bleep]. He would "dress up" as party boy and run around the frat house humping our fraternity brothers just to make them uncomfortable while everybody else would laugh. But the biggest thing to note here is: everybody LOVED him. He said the things that everybody else was thinking but nobody had the balls to say. People admired him for that. He also had a 4.0GPA and made a lot of contributions to the fraternity. So at the end of the day, he was well-liked by everybody.

 

It's important to note that everybody liked him because this was enough real-life proof for my brain that you can possess the same qualities as him and people won't hate you for it; quite the opposite in fact. So these days I'm very confident and carefree as a result of my time spent with him... and I'm like a people-magnet now >_> People who are super carefree and confident are a rare breed these days, so I'm a breath of fresh air for everybody that I meet, just like my friend was for me many years ago.

 

My other close friend was extremely confident and got laid all the time. We'd be out eating lunch somewhere and he'd be making dirty sexual comments to our waitress. I'd always get embarrassed, thinking about how uncomfortable and creeped out or waitress must feel... except the waitress would smile, blush, and then end up sleeping with him later on. He was proof to me that if you have a certain vibe and attitude, you can say almost anything to women and instead of creeping them out, you'll turn them on. The funny thing is, we had a mutual friend who would also feel uncomfortable when he seduced girls. He'd always say, "Man I can't believe he can say stuff like that. I'd get slapped if I said that! He's just got that certain kind of charm to him." Last week I ate dinner with that same mutual friend. Apparently I said something to our waitress that our old friend would've said. "I can't believe you just told our waitress that! If I said that, she'd slap me!" my friend said to me. I smiled to myself and changed the subject. :)

 

 

So if you follow those two basic points, you'll probably have pretty high self-esteem and you'll feel very comfortable in your own skin. You'll be able to make small talk with just about anybody and they'll think you're a pretty cool guy. But despite being a "cool guy," that will all go down the drain if you still don't understand how dating works. I know tons of guys who are social butterflies, yet still constantly get condemned to the Friend Zone.

 

3. Get a job in sales

The sales world and the dating world are extremely similar. You'll get rejected several times on a daily basis-- enough to desensitize your fear of rejection. You'll make clients very uncomfortable when you try to close the deal-- enough to desensitize your fear of discomfort and awkward situations. And you'll get in the habit of expressing your interest upfront and actively forcing people to reject you, because you will understand that is much better to be rejected than it is to be uncertain.

 

I remember my first month of sales... it was a nightmare because I couldn't get any sales. I was being too "nice" (read: passive). I'll never forget this one man I was trying to sell. I was comparing our product to his, and our product was better across the board. I was saving him money and I was getting him better stuff. He even told me how he'd thought about switching over to my product in the past. I'll never forget that conversation:

 

Him: Wow this really is a better deal then. I'll save money and I'll get better stuff.

Me: Yup! :)

(silence as he continues to compare the two products)

Him: Ok well I think I'll just stick with what I've got for now, but thanks! Bye!

 

I rarely get angry. Including this incident, I've only been "angry" about 3 times in the past 6-7 years. The reason why this pissed me off so much because it was proof that being nice and passive just isn't enough to achieve success in sales.

 

As my sales coach would later tell me, the reason why I didn't get that sale was because I didn't take control. I didn't force him to make a decision. I (incorrectly) assumed that this guy was smart enough to realize "this is a better deal. therefore I'll take it." I (incorrectly) felt like I was being "manipulative" if I took control of the situation.

 

"You need to understand, muggi," said my sales coach, "Most people are terrified of taking risks. They're terrified of being held accountable. They're terrified of making their own decisions, and having those decisions end up as poor decisions. That's why you have to take control... if they take a risk and fail, then they can tell themselves that it's your fault and not theirs. They will no longer be afraid of taking risks and making decisions because they have you to blame. These clients look like adults, but they are really just children, and you are their parent. They think they know what they want, but they don't. You know better than they do-- their judgment is impaired by fear. You are the parent, they are the child, and our product is the vegetables they don't want to eat. You both know that they should eat their vegetables. But they're never going to do it unless you take control and make them."

 

After that conversation, I started taking control in sales. Instead of waiting for my clients to come to a decision, I forced them to make a decision on the spot. Within one week, my sales tripled and my clients were all extremely grateful for my services.

 

 

Dating really isn't that different. Most guys view sex as something based on chance/luck, instead of having a systematic view of human psychology and biology.

 

If I go on a first date with a girl and I just talk to her for an hour as if she was any other person, at the end of the night she'll probably think, "he's a really cool guy!" However she probably won't want to sleep with me. Or if she does, she won't want to sleep with me until I've taken her out to dinner at least three more times and taken things very slowly (and expensively) with her. The reason why she's behaving this way is my fault for being a [kitty] and not expressing my interest in her.

 

But if on the first date, in addition to just talking to her as if she was any other person, I simply start holding her hand without asking for her permission, suddenly the chances of her wanting to come back to my place to "watch a movie" skyrocket. Why? Because now she knows that I want to [bleep] her and I'm not afraid to show it. The funny thing is, that's all it takes. We live in an interesting time period where most men are [kitties] and are afraid to be direct with women. So when a guy like me comes along, it's a breath of fresh air for her. Confident men are very rare these days. And like I said, all I'm doing is just holding her hand while I continue to talk to her as if I'm not doing anything out of the ordinary.

 

The first time I tried touching a girl on a first date, I knocked her beer over as I went to grab her hand. It was extremely awkward....... and she wouldn't stop texting me the next day. Even though I was extremely awkward and nervous about doing it, the fact that I had the balls to do it was enough to turn her on and demonstrate that I'm the kind of guy she fantasizes about.

 

I've been on dozens of dates now, and so far I've only had one girl get extremely uncomfortable when I grabbed her hand. And the funny thing is, it didn't bother me at all because by that point I understood how girls like that are rare. And not only are they rare, they probably aren't completely socially/emotionally mature yet. Even if you're awkward, most women will still be very pleased with your confidence. And a lot of the time, you can see their eyes light up when you do this. That alone is enough to convince you that you're doing something right :P

 

 

 

At the end of the day, I think for a lot of guys, the reason why they can't muster up the balls to talk to women (or touch them, or express their intent with them) is because:

1. they overestimate how unhappy rejection/failure will make them

and/or

2. deep down, they still believe what they're doing is effective

 

To give you some perspective, think about something else in which you risked failure in order to master. For example, riding a bike. When I was a little kid, I worried about everything. I didn't learn how to ride a bike until I was 9 years old (whereas most of my friends could ride their bikes by the time they were like 6 or 7). Mostly because I knew I was bad at it, and I was afraid to try to improve because I didn't want to fall of my bike and get hurt. The thought of getting injured scared the shit out of me. I didn't learn how to ride my bike until my older brother dedicated his entire day to teaching me how to learn. I looked up to my older brother and thought he was really cool, so that was my motivation to overcome my fear. I didn't want to disappoint him and waste his time. It's interesting to note that my brother came to me and basically told me, "You're learning how to ride a bike today. If you don't want to learn, tough shit, you gon' learn today." Fast forward to the end of the day and I could ride my bike decently well. Well enough to improve on my own without the fear of injuring myself.

 

The interesting thing to note is, as soon as I learned how to ride my bike, suddenly all of failures became irrelevant. It didn't matter that I fell off my bike a thousand times before learning. The success justified the failures. The failures would only remain relevant if I gave up before I succeeded. Additionally, as soon as I started risking failure, and failed, I didn't actually feel bad. Instead of feeling unhappy for failing like I thought I would, I actually felt happy for failing! Failing made me feel alive and proud of myself for doing what I knew I should be doing, even though I was terrified to do so.

 

Next time you see a hot girl, just TALK to her and see what happens. I can almost guarantee that your interaction will ultimately go nowhere, but I can also guarantee that you feel extremely happy regardless.

 

You're afraid of making a move because you're afraid that if you fail, you will think, "Wow I [bleep]ed that up, I'm such an idiot for even trying, I feel so unhappy now and I regret doing that! My life is over! I should probably just kill myself."

 

In reality, if you make a move and fail, you will think, "Wow I [bleep]ed that up, but I'm so proud of myself for trying. That wasn't as bad as I thought it would be-- in fact, it was kind of exciting! I want to do that again now! I feel more confident now than I've ever felt before!"

 

 

As an adult, I no longer have the luxury of someone forcing me outside of my comfort zone because they know what's best for me. If I want to succeed, I'm the only person who can force me out of my comfort zone to get what I want out of life. If I don't want to eat my vegetables, I don't have to, but I'll suffer the consequences for such a decision down the road. And things will remain that way until I change. Because I can guarantee that nobody is going to come along to save me and force me to eat my veggies.

 

Finally, keep in mind that your time on this earth is limited. And the sooner you start making smart choices and habits, the better your life will be in the long run. I started exercising consistently when I was 18. By the time I was 22, I could bench press 4x as much as I could at age 18. What if I started exercising at age 23 instead? Then that means when I hit age 24, I would be nowhere near lifting 4x (or even 3x or 2x) my starting weight.

 

If I'm going to live to be 70 years old, then that means it would be in my best interest to start developing healthy habits and beliefs as soon as possible. I'd rather hit age 70 with 50+ years of exercise under my belt than 1 year because at age 69 my doctor told me I'm going to die if I don't start exercising.

 

Don't wait till tomorrow. If you keep telling yourself that you're going to wait until tomorrow to start getting out of your comfort zone, then before you know it, you'll be on your deathbed with all of your fears still intact. Except this time, you'll no longer have the luxury of saying "I'll just do it tomorrow." By then it will be too late.

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TL;DR:  Go get a job that forces you to be social if you get anxious around all types of strangers (not just women). Go spend as much time as possible with people who are well-liked and have what you want if you don't have high self-esteem yet. Go get a job in sales if you don't have full control over your dating life.

 

If you have any objections to my advice, let me know. Otherwise you have no excuses and your life will remain as it is until you die-- comfortable, but incomplete.

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I'm pretty sure some of Muggi's advice helped me get my girlfriend. I'm pretty sure it's not the advice from the post above, but something that is now buried within the thread...

 

Also, rejection is not a bad thing. Use it to learn. Just remember that 12 no's and a yes still means yes.

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Rejection is great. I'd much rather a "no" then a "maybe". And eh muggi your advice there is more of a reflection of your personal issues and growth.

 

Me personally I have never had a problem telling a girl how that I'm into her, think shes hot, etc. I have the issues of meeting enough people (a bit of an introvert with lazy friends), and when I am really into a specific girl I have huge trouble telling her that, though with a girl equally attractive that I'm not that into I have no problems.

 

By intentionally ending relationships in the past, such as intitiating break ups or ending friendships or even quitting jobs I have learned that I love the feeling that comes with it. I have been able to sort out my main issue above by treating it like those situations where I definitely put a line in the sand.

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I should have rather said that I am [bleep]ing oblivious.

I have no troubles holding a conversation with pretty much anyone. My parents suggested me learning to be a diplomat, because I am good with people. I can chat with a hot girl all day and I can hold hands, I just don't know what to do next. And I definitely worry too much about what I am thought of.

 

But yeah, the reason I posted this is that I have met quite few hot and nice chicks and spent time with them as well, but I haven't gotten further than a date.

And frankly, even if I took someone to see movies at my place, I have absolutely no idea how to act then. That has happened that way before, mind you. A girl invited me over. We slept in the same bed. She told me to be more straightforward and do whatever I wanted. I just didn't know what to do and still don't know.

 

So that way, muggi, your help was absolutely different from what I really need.


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So I've noticed this thread's regulars all follow similar trends.

 

RPG is constantly dealing with psycho exes.

Muggi reminds us of the joys of polygamy.

Saq is totally oblivious to how much chicks dig him.

I strike out every other week.

Kalphite wages a war against the friend zone.

Randox pretty much stays rational.

Etc, etc

 

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Saq I think your issue is that your afraid of potentially screwing up something you know is going well by taking it further.

 

Taking that move feels a lot like this:

 

I got dared by my friends to jump into a very cold lake. I agreed to do it already so I am standing over the lake wondering if I am actually going to jump in. A few more comments later I am in the middle of the air about to hit the freezing water. Mid air I am thinking "I really regret this". A few moments later no matter how warm or cold the lake ended up feeling I realized that its not so bad and it was kind of fun to feel that sense of fear.

 

 

Saq what I want you to do is kiss the girl your into. Just do it, no perfect moments, no waiting. Next time you see her and your alone - do it. If you feel unfortable then announce that you want to kiss her first. Then if she doesn't say [bleep] no lean your head in, and see if she responds. Thats your answer. And believe me if your tongue is in her mouth making the next steps won't be so difficult :lol:

 

 

 

 

Anyways I have a similar fear, I personally feel very insecure about taking a friendship further. I meet all sorts of cool people at work/school but I have a lot of trouble getting myself to hangout with them outside of that or immediately after class or the shifts over. And ofc these friendships end up fading away. My question is, what practical steps to I make to fix that? Question 2 is how do I convince myself to follow them.

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I wrote that post under the assumption that you guys know what you should be doing, but you're just not doing it for whatever reason.

 

@Saqs, just follow this as closely as possible. In my case, my "escalation" looks like this:

 

(first date)

1. Talk to her like normal, make her laugh and feel comfortable

2. Start holding her hand, occasionally rubbing her hand with my thumb

3. Let go of her hand, rest my hand on her thigh

 

(second date at my place on my couch)

4. Put my arm around her while sitting on my couch with her

5. Use my free hand to caress her hair/face

6. Go for the kiss, and be the first to pull away if she kisses me back

7. Wait a little bit then start making out with her, then proceed to sex.

 

If she doesn't want to have sex, then I'll have a 3rd date with her and repeat what I did on the 2nd date. If on the 3rd date, I don't get any "farther" than I did on the 2nd date, I quit seeing her and never contact her again. And then I go repeat the process with a different girl.

 

If I didn't have the ability to "replace" her so easily, then I can almost guarantee I'd make up all kinds of excuses to keep seeing her... and then I'd wind up unhappy and sexually frustrated while she [bleep]s other guys. This is why it's important for every man to learn how to bring new women into his life.

 

@Ring, when I was a kid I was afraid of hanging out with new friends after school because I was afraid we'd get bored or run out of things to do or talk about, and things would get awkward. I'm assuming that's a similar kind of feeling you're getting now?

 

Anyways, if you have any mutual friends, invite them along and try to hang out with 2+ other people at a time outside of work/school so that way you won't feel any "pressure" to have fun with them. Then when you're comfortable with that, you can hang out with them alone. Like I said though, just do what you're afraid of doing and see what happens. I could give you a bulletproof logical explanation of what to do and why, but it wouldn't matter if you're still too afraid to try.

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Well it is hard to get deeper friends if you don't have common interests. For example, if you both like to play, have a LAN party. Go fishing. Do something else aswell. That would be my best advice in this situation. There must be something you both like to do.

 

And that kiss ain't what I was looking for, I knew that. I mean, what after kiss?


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So I've noticed this thread's regulars all follow similar trends.

 

RPG is constantly dealing with psycho exes.

Muggi reminds us of the joys of polygamy.

Saq is totally oblivious to how much chicks dig him.

I strike out every other week.

Kalphite wages a war against the friend zone.

Randox pretty much stays rational.

Etc, etc

 

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Yeah common interests tends to be the issue. Mostly it comes down to, do we play the same games. Otherwise I don't really talk to them as much. Main issue there is I don't have a lot of outdoor hobbies. So a lot of my common intersts have been gaming. smoking pot, or other trivial stuff.

 

And how I escalate. 

If Im on a making out level I just say stop me if you feel uncomfortable at any point.

 

Make out

Hand on chest on shirt

Hand on bra

Hand on chest

Then

Hand still on chest
Other hand on pants

Other hand on underwear

Shirt off

Other hand on crotch

pants off

 

Need me to go on?

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Aye, that was the stuff I needed.

Thanks.


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So I've noticed this thread's regulars all follow similar trends.

 

RPG is constantly dealing with psycho exes.

Muggi reminds us of the joys of polygamy.

Saq is totally oblivious to how much chicks dig him.

I strike out every other week.

Kalphite wages a war against the friend zone.

Randox pretty much stays rational.

Etc, etc

 

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One more thing regarding escalation... I don't wait for any "invitations" from her to do any of that stuff. Instead of asking myself, "is she ready for me to do this?" or "how will she react if I do this?" I just do it regardless of how she's acting and see what happens. I don't wait for any golden opportunities or anything. So if we're at Starbucks together and we're both talking, I just casually grab her hand and start holding it and then continue the conversation as if nothing ever happened. If I'm watching a movie with her on my couch, I just put my arm around her. Or I'll just turn to look at her, put my hand on her cheek/chin and kiss her.


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Yeah common interests tends to be the issue. Mostly it comes down to, do we play the same games. Otherwise I don't really talk to them as much. Main issue there is I don't have a lot of outdoor hobbies. So a lot of my common intersts have been gaming. smoking pot, or other trivial stuff.

 

And how I escalate. 

If Im on a making out level I just say stop me if you feel uncomfortable at any point.

 

Make out

Hand on chest on shirt

Hand on bra

Hand on chest

Then

Hand still on chest

Other hand on pants

Other hand on underwear

Shirt off

Other hand on crotch

pants off

 

Need me to go on?

 

Lol if they smoke too, then just be like "hey you wanna smoke weed and play ____ or watch ____ after class/work?"

 

Nobody's going to decline free weed :P Besides if you're both stoned then that right there's enough to take the pressure off and ensure you have a good time.

 

In my case I usually just ask them if they wanna go grab a beer after work. Then you talk about work and stuff with them while having a drink.


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One more thing regarding escalation... I don't wait for any "invitations" from her to do any of that stuff. Instead of asking myself, "is she ready for me to do this?" or "how will she react if I do this?" I just do it regardless of how she's acting and see what happens. I don't wait for any golden opportunities or anything. So if we're at Starbucks together and we're both talking, I just casually grab her hand and start holding it and then continue the conversation as if nothing ever happened. If I'm watching a movie with her on my couch, I just put my arm around her. Or I'll just turn to look at her, put my hand on her cheek/chin and kiss her.

 

Thats okay for minor stuff. With my current gf we just went to a local mall and walked around as a date and I was kissing her within 10 minutes. But further then that, thats the point of saying stop me if your uncomfortable. Not tell me how far you want me to go. It allows you to escalate without putting you in a position where consent is iffy.

 

But yeah I don't smoke as much anymore, and I spend too much time on online forums like TIF :lol:. But yeah thanks for the tips

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Yea when it comes to the sexual stuff I pretty much just send her home if she's resisting my advances. It turns me off when they resist and I'm not very fond of being persistent under those circumstances. I'd prefer us to both be on the same wavelength. :P

 

If she's resisting my advances, that means I did a poor job of turning her on at some point.


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Rejection is great. I'd much rather a "no" then a "maybe". And eh muggi your advice there is more of a reflection of your personal issues and growth.

 

Me personally I have never had a problem telling a girl how that I'm into her, think shes hot, etc. I have the issues of meeting enough people (a bit of an introvert with lazy friends), and when I am really into a specific girl I have huge trouble telling her that, though with a girl equally attractive that I'm not that into I have no problems.

 

By intentionally ending relationships in the past, such as intitiating break ups or ending friendships or even quitting jobs I have learned that I love the feeling that comes with it. I have been able to sort out my main issue above by treating it like those situations where I definitely put a line in the sand.

Do you ever find that girls tell you they trust you really fast?

Cause i feel like i've never really been scared to tell someone what's on my mind. A few years ago that was part of the reason i wasn't very well liked by a lot of people we used to see at parties and such. But i've never been scared of speaking my mind no matter what the consequences.

Anyway, i try to do the same when it comes to girls and i always found that they open up to me extremely fast. Perhaps it the type of girl i am attracted to, maybe it's not. But i always thought that perhaps it's just a result of my "honesty". Was just wondering if you might experience the same sort of thing? 

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Hung out with radio station girl tonight for like 4 hours. It was a pretty good time, not sure if I'll pursue anything with her though. I can't really get a feel for what she thinks of me. I can obviously influence that without much issue, but I'm not sure if it'd be a good idea to try to push it beyond a friendship. There's a degree to which she's actually my boss (She's on the board of directors that hired me) and I think it might be a bad idea to [bleep] with that.

 

At the same time, she only had to be here from 12-1 and she stayed until like 15 minutes ago (4:30ish). Plus she brought me cookies again. So like, at the very least she probably doesn't hate me haha.

 

Realistically though, we'll probably just be friends which is totally cool with me. I think it's be too much of a challenge to make it into anything more and that's really not my style.


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