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Radical feminism isn't limited to tumblr, Universities in Ontario and Quebec are infested with them.

yeah there's some pretty ridiculous stuff that goes on there. i'm glad I'm out of university...


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Sorry, been a bit busy...
 

All political movements are judged by the radicals.

They may receive disproportionately more attention, but that doesn't make them representative of the whole cause. That's a very obvious logical fallacy.
 

And the only de facto discrimination that exists is in the pay gap right? Or do you have other examples?

Yes, mostly relating to the media. Over four fifths of mainstream newspapers' front page stories are dedicated to male subjects. Only a fifth of frontpage stories are written by female journalists. Meanwhile, Page 3 shoots continue to depict (exclusively young and sexually attractive) women in an overtly sexualised manner.* Studies show barely any difference between the language describing women used in lads' magazines and language used by those convicted of sexual assault. In music videos, men are routinely depicted as suave and suited up, throwing scantly clad women around like confetti on a dancefloor.

 

* (less of an issue in the US where Page 3 doesn't really exist, but definitely relevant to the UK)

None of these examples have anything to do with wealth or a pay gap, but continue to reinforce the idea that a woman is only worth what men find sexually attractive about them. And even if you're lucky enough as a woman to be judged as sexually attractive, the discrimination doesn't stop there.

 

What of your right to say No? Well, not according to Justin Timberlake ('I know you like it...') or Robin Thicke ('I know you want it...'). Very clearly, and in a very accessible, visual format, a link is drawn between sexual desire on the one hand, and aggression, control and ownership of women on the other, for all young men and boys to see.

 

What of your desire to be judged for anything other than how you look? Well, not according to The Wanted ('But who cares? She walks like Rihanna'). Again, very clearly, and in a very accessible format, a message is given to young girls that they could do well in exams and perform well in a job (or not, as the case may be in the song), but it's all an irrelevance because the only thing that women are likely to be judged on is how they look in terms of attraction to men.

 

@Giordano: There's definitely a link between socioeconomic status and inequality, but surely, gender and racial inequality exist against the background of socioeconomic inequality, rather than in spite of it. Does a black woman on a similar income to a white man receive different levels of sexist and racist discrimination? Almost certainly.

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What do you guys think about all of the yesallgirls garbage going around on Twitter at the moment? You know, since we are sort of already on the topic...


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“I had a feeling we weren’t coming back from this fight when it began.”

“Do you have any regrets?”

“I don’t. It seems surprising, I know, but I wouldn’t change a thing. This is how it was meant to be.”

“Huh, you never really notice how lovely the day is until you realize you’ll never see it again.”

“Mmmhmm.”

 

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I've never understood the rah rah over women being sexualized in the media. If I could get paid to get pictures of me taken while wearing skimpy clothing, I'd do it.

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If you want a discussion, you can't really go "it's garbage" and then walk off before saying why... >_>

It is garbage under the law of social media that states that all Twitter trends are garbage. You know me.... I never post, I just let you guys do the discussing.


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“I had a feeling we weren’t coming back from this fight when it began.”

“Do you have any regrets?”

“I don’t. It seems surprising, I know, but I wouldn’t change a thing. This is how it was meant to be.”

“Huh, you never really notice how lovely the day is until you realize you’ll never see it again.”

“Mmmhmm.”

 

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I've never understood the rah rah over women being sexualized in the media. If I could get paid to get pictures of me taken while wearing skimpy clothing, I'd do it.

If I understand your point correctly, it implies as follows: you don't understand the problem whereby half of the population are given the message, in no uncertain terms, that their careers and aspirations are limited only to the roles that the other half allow them to perform for their own titillating satisfaction, and that in the absence of being able to provide that satisfaction, they aren't worth throwing the money at.

 

If we were talking about race in that context, we'd be calling it apartheid, wouldn't we?

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I have no idea what this "Yesallgirls" thing is, and even after googling it I'm no less confused. But given context clues from Ginger's post I imagine its girls shouting glass ceiling at their careers and socioeconomic standing?

 

And while the statistics of male journalism on front page verse female may be true, I don't find it a valid argument. That could be pure coincidence. Maybe there's just stronger established writers who happen to be male, there doesn't have to be anything malevolent about it (Just as seeing a skimpy outfitted dude on Page 3 may not be as overall appealing to the public)


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If you want a discussion, you can't really go "it's garbage" and then walk off before saying why... >_>

It is garbage under the law of social media that states that all Twitter trends are garbage. You know me.... I never post, I just let you guys do the discussing.

Understood. So your criticism is aimed at the use of hashtagging as a platform from which to launch short-term trends, rather than a more sustained message. Regrettably, I'd have to agree with you. That's not to say social media can't be used to campaign in this way, just that the use of trending means the message hits home but isn't followed through or reinforced, and therefore, quickly forgotten.

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I wanted the one with the burning building and everyone is standing outside recording it instead of calling for help, but it has the same point.

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@Giordano: There's definitely a link between socioeconomic status and inequality, but surely, gender and racial inequality exist against the background of socioeconomic inequality, rather than in spite of it. Does a black woman on a similar income to a white man receive different levels of sexist and racist discrimination? Almost certainly.

What discrimination she would get would not ruin her chance at achieving her goals or financial independence. I'm not saying racism/sexism doesn't exist, it is just not a relevant factor anymore.

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Not sure if this has been posted already. But if you haven't seen it, it's well worth the twenty minutes:

 

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@Giordano: There's definitely a link between socioeconomic status and inequality, but surely, gender and racial inequality exist against the background of socioeconomic inequality, rather than in spite of it. Does a black woman on a similar income to a white man receive different levels of sexist and racist discrimination? Almost certainly.

What discrimination she would get would not ruin her chance at achieving her goals or financial independence. I'm not saying racism/sexism doesn't exist, it is just not a relevant factor anymore.

Really?

 

Women make up just 19% of Congress. I'll agree that socioeconomic status plays a little role in that, but in this golden age where women couldn't want for more and every obstacle to gender equality has supposedly been toppled, you're not seriously suggesting that that's all down to class, are you? That's one hell of an extraordinary statement.

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@Giordano: There's definitely a link between socioeconomic status and inequality, but surely, gender and racial inequality exist against the background of socioeconomic inequality, rather than in spite of it. Does a black woman on a similar income to a white man receive different levels of sexist and racist discrimination? Almost certainly.

 

I'm avoiding the media one right now because there is some truth to it. But it itself creates a chicken or the egg scenario. Do women buy magazines with oversexualized women because this is what they want or because they were raised in a culture with that?  I have some thoughts on this so I will save it for a bigger post when I get some time.

 

 

As for this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_income_in_the_United_States

 

Hispanic Americans have the lowest income out of anyone in America. I am a hispanic American, my family makes over $100k a year because we are culturally different from most hispanic Americans. The reason why people are poor in America is because they throw away opportunities. In my extended family such as my second cousins they have a different cultural outlook and well you have things like teen pregnancy and a push towards labor jobs instead of office jobs like engineers or salesmen. I think that this is the biggest explanation for poverty and why certain ethnic groups seem to always succeed no matter how hated they are in a nation and why other groups seem to always fail no matter how much help a nation gives them.

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If we were talking about race in that context, we'd be calling it apartheid, wouldn't we?

No. Apartheid was legally enforced. It was comparable to Jim Crow laws.

 

Yes, mostly relating to the media. Over four fifths of mainstream newspapers' front page stories are dedicated to male subjects.

Why do you think this is the case? Are more things happening to men? Are newspapers deliberately not covering things that happen to women? Are readers less interested in what happens to women? Not a rhetorical question, just not sure in what sense you think this is evidence of sexism.

 

Only a fifth of frontpage stories are written by female journalists. Meanwhile, Page 3 shoots continue to depict (exclusively young and sexually attractive) women in an overtly sexualised manner.* Studies show barely any difference between the language describing women used in lads' magazines and language used by those convicted of sexual assault. In music videos, men are routinely depicted as suave and suited up, throwing scantly clad women around like confetti on a dancefloor.

And 90% of workplace injuries happen to men. Is it any more fair that men are disproportionately expected to put the integrity of their body at stake in order to get a job? Or is doing things you wouldn't do if you weren't getting paid for it exactly what working is?

 

None of these examples have anything to do with wealth or a pay gap, but continue to reinforce the idea that a woman is only worth what men find sexually attractive about them. And even if you're lucky enough as a woman to be judged as sexually attractive, the discrimination doesn't stop there.

But the same thing is true for everyone. I don't care about my baker as an end in and of him or herself. I care about how good he is at baking bread. This is totally normal in a society with more people than you can know personally.

 

What of your right to say No? Well, not according to Justin Timberlake ('I know you like it...') or Robin Thicke ('I know you want it...'). Very clearly, and in a very accessible, visual format, a link is drawn between sexual desire on the one hand, and aggression, control and ownership of women on the other, for all young men and boys to see.

I won't comment on Timberlake because I don't remember the song, but you'll note that Thicke hates "blurred lines," not lines. The song is about mixed signals ("the way you grab me [what way, we're not sure, but apparently such that she...] / must want to get nasty"), which, in the interest of consent being taken seriously, should not be part of the lead-up to sex. That song also contrasts Thicke to another man who tried, and failed, to domesticate the woman in question, so I'm not sure where you're seeing that coverture-esque ownership thing.

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Matt: You want that eh? You want everything good for you. You want everything that's--falls off garbage can

Camera guy: Whoa, haha, are you okay dude?

Matt: You want anything funny that happens, don't you?

Camera guy: still laughing

Matt: You want the funny shit that happens here and there, you think it comes out of your [bleep]ing [wagon] pushes garbage can down, don't you? You think it's funny? It comes out of here! running towards Camera guy

Camera guy: runs away still laughing

Matt: You think the funny comes out of your mother[bleep]ing creativity? Comes out of Satan, mother[bleep]er! nn--ngh! pushes Camera guy down

Camera guy: Hoooholy [bleep]!

Matt: FUNNY ISN'T REAL! FUNNY ISN'T REAL!

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I have no idea what this "Yesallgirls" thing is, and even after googling it I'm no less confused. But given context clues from Ginger's post I imagine its girls shouting glass ceiling at their careers and socioeconomic standing?

 

And while the statistics of male journalism on front page verse female may be true, I don't find it a valid argument. That could be pure coincidence. Maybe there's just stronger established writers who happen to be male, there doesn't have to be anything malevolent about it (Just as seeing a skimpy outfitted dude on Page 3 may not be as overall appealing to the public)

 

It's "yesallwomen" not "yesallgirls."

 

In a nutshell, a male virgin around our age went on a shooting spree as "revenge" against all the women who rejected him.

 

And of course, instead of investigating the sexually-repressed nature of our society or the prescription drugs he was on, or why most men don't know how to get laid, the media is instead focused on reminding us that we are not entitled to women's affection. Yeah, no shit, that's why he killed all of them!

 

 

I generally try to minimize my time spent reading about all of these "issues" though because at the end of the day, they'll only put me in a bad mood. People are generally just having kneejerk reactions and making mountains out of molehills when it comes to this stuff. As I read this thread, it seems like Ginger's trying to convince us that we've still got women chained to our refrigerators, when in reality, I think most women are doing just fine. Yes there is still sexism and inequality. But it's to a "healthy" level these days and it's something that will never be solved completely until humanity's extinction.

 

EDIT: Got on Facebook, #YesAllWomen is the the #2 "trend" on my newsfeed. What's #1? "EMMA WATSON GRADUATES FROM BROWN UNIVERSITY: Emma Watson considers her education an act of rebellion. So, here she is, sticking it to the man." The irony here is that she got a degree in English instead of something like Engineering so she's keeping that "pay gap" wide for all the men she's trying to rebel against.

 

Wish I knew how to turn off my Facebook "trending" thing. Like I said-- its blatant lack of facts and rationality makes my blood boil :P

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How do you even get that trending thing on facebook? You mean top stories? :P


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Ya it shows up in the upper-right for me, just below Birthdays. Though it also looks like the top trends are shown in a random order.


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Huh, no such thing on my facebook. Lucky me :P


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Wish I knew how to turn off my Facebook "trending" thing. Like I said-- its blatant lack of facts and rationality makes my blood boil :P

i had a similar problem a few years ago, but found this handy guide that solved the issue permanently:

 

http://www.wikihow.com/Permanently-Delete-a-Facebook-Account


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Wish I knew how to turn off my Facebook "trending" thing. Like I said-- its blatant lack of facts and rationality makes my blood boil :P

i had a similar problem a few years ago, but found this handy guide that solved the issue permanently:

 

http://www.wikihow.com/Permanently-Delete-a-Facebook-Account

 

 

Lol the trends are just one of the small prices I have to pay in order to have a simple and free way of keeping in touch with my old friends. :P


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Well he had autism, so he lacks a brain capable of empathy and communication skills. Thats my beef with the whole "misagany lead to murder campaign", yes this guy had selfish beliefs but he literally lacks the brain structures needed to change that. That said this could have all been avoided if the mental health system took the warning signs more seriously. 

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I've never understood the rah rah over women being sexualized in the media. If I could get paid to get pictures of me taken while wearing skimpy clothing, I'd do it.

If I understand your point correctly, it implies as follows: you don't understand the problem whereby half of the population are given the message, in no uncertain terms, that their careers and aspirations are limited only to the roles that the other half allow them to perform for their own titillating satisfaction, and that in the absence of being able to provide that satisfaction, they aren't worth throwing the money at.

 

If we were talking about race in that context, we'd be calling it apartheid, wouldn't we?

Wow, that's a hell of a stretch.

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Well he had autism, so he lacks a brain capable of empathy and communication skills. Thats my beef with the whole "misagany lead to murder campaign", yes this guy had selfish beliefs but he literally lacks the brain structures needed to change that. That said this could have all been avoided if the mental health system took the warning signs more seriously. 

Careful with this. Yes, you need to have mental health issues in order to do this kind of thing. That's kind of like saying you need hands in order to strangle people.


Matt: You want that eh? You want everything good for you. You want everything that's--falls off garbage can

Camera guy: Whoa, haha, are you okay dude?

Matt: You want anything funny that happens, don't you?

Camera guy: still laughing

Matt: You want the funny shit that happens here and there, you think it comes out of your [bleep]ing [wagon] pushes garbage can down, don't you? You think it's funny? It comes out of here! running towards Camera guy

Camera guy: runs away still laughing

Matt: You think the funny comes out of your mother[bleep]ing creativity? Comes out of Satan, mother[bleep]er! nn--ngh! pushes Camera guy down

Camera guy: Hoooholy [bleep]!

Matt: FUNNY ISN'T REAL! FUNNY ISN'T REAL!

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Well he had autism, so he lacks a brain capable of empathy and communication skills. Thats my beef with the whole "misagany lead to murder campaign", yes this guy had selfish beliefs but he literally lacks the brain structures needed to change that. That said this could have all been avoided if the mental health system took the warning signs more seriously. 

Careful with this. Yes, you need to have mental health issues in order to do this kind of thing. That's kind of like saying you need hands in order to strangle people.

 

 

Thanks for this link it brought up some things I hadn't considered previously. How do you think would be a good way to go about violence prevention?

 

Certainly disarmament would have some impact (though in this case I believe he used his car as a weapon too). Is there anything else?

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