Today...

[RpgGamer]

Point taken but I refuse to buy into the generalization that all Muslims are terrorists/bad people

[Veiva]

Point taken but I refuse to buy into the generalization that all Muslims are terrorists/bad people

I don't either. That's why I very deliberately pointed out the current American Muslim population. At the same time, the reality is there are an exceedingly large amount of anti-Western Muslims in many predominantly Muslim countries, for good or bad.

 

And I might as well give my view. If there were a tested and reliable means of vetting refugees and providing the means for them to succeed once in a country, then there would be nothing wrong. This requires programs no country has (at least on the scale necessary), however. You'd have to objectively determine the refugee's biographical history (most often impossible because of the nature of asylum and war-torn countries) and ensure the refugee would most likely integrate into society. When they're in, you'd need to provide shelter, food/water, non consumable material necessities, healthcare, and education/training until they can support themselves and their families on the same footing as any other citizen.

 

In the case of the United States, we cannot do this for our own people, with millions on the streets, millions more in poverty, millions without reliable access to food or water, millions upon millions without proper healthcare, millions more with poor education or career opportunities... Who do you prioritize? Your people, or refugees? If you don't provide these resources to refugees, you'll create schisms in communities and wind up with the lesson we learned after Lincoln was unable to implement his restoration plan after the Civil War. But if you do provide these resources to refugees, while you are doing nothing for Americans or taking away resources from Americans (resources aren't infinite, and plenty of these social needs are already strained), you create yet another schism leading to xenophobia.

 

You're damned if you do, damned if you don't. I think accepting refugees is a poor choice because, as a country, we cannot even support our own people.

 

edit: removed American population example, can't word it properly, not going to have it misconstrued

[Bonez899]

I agree with you Veiva, but that is a bigger issue on a whole than the refugee crisis. Logic in my mind, should state that a country as sophisticated as the United States shouldn't have such vast gaps.

[Bonez899]

 

 

 

Ring, I agree with you but I hate that refugees get such a bad reputation because there isn't a great way to handle them en masse. Isreal's method is good, but it puts a lot of trust in the refugee and it displaces them from their family so I'm not sure it's totally ideal. But anything is better than the Japo-American internment camps of WW2

spliting apart social circles is the most vital part of integration into a new society.

 

If I want to emigrate to Russia and I go alone I am much more likely to be able to fully transition than if I take my facebook friends list with me and all of us set up at the edge of town and speak english and celebrate 4th of july and interact with the locals as little as possible.

Hence why something like Israel's mandatory military service for immigration works so well. It forces you to meet new people and form new social circles.

 

Hard to do such a program in most countries though just did to the logistics/money involved.

[Kalphite]

Soooo,

I woke up in my suit at 8 AM today.

Still hungover from the weekend.

Had massive celebrations over the weekend, a performance with our choir and more stuff.

Also, turns out I will be performing at the university ball aswell, so I have free entry.

Now I only need to find a girl to go with...

 

weren't you just complaining about having 2 or 3 girls into you like last week lol

[jasignhagj]

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[Bonez899]

Trudeau wants to bring in 25,000 refugees in a month. It's impossible to properly vet that many people in a month.

Absolutely, the only containing factors being that he plans to focus on those in refugee camps leaving us higher chances of legitimate refugees unless someone is playing the long con.

 

Alongside this they are looking at initially hosting these refugees on forces bases used such facilities as the cadet camps for a settlement period of ~3 months based upon last week's staff check for contracts regarding the situation.

[jasignhagj]

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[Alg]

I'd think the big question then is what you do with all of them. Disaster planning only seems to go so far.

[Estonian dude]

 

Soooo,

I woke up in my suit at 8 AM today.

Still hungover from the weekend.

Had massive celebrations over the weekend, a performance with our choir and more stuff.

Also, turns out I will be performing at the university ball aswell, so I have free entry.

Now I only need to find a girl to go with...

 

weren't you just complaining about having 2 or 3 girls into you like last week lol

 

Yeah, but to the only university ball.

That's serious thing.

And I invited one girl already, who unfortunately couldn't come.

 

And I am worried about the opposite tendencies. Here in Estonia racism has risen thanks to the bloody terrorists. Black students get stones thrown at them, a black American soldier got beaten up last weekend... When there are 3 black people in the country and everyone knows them, it used to be okay. Now we have more coloured people aswell, but we have turned into serious xenophobes.

[obfuscator]

25000 is just an arbitrary number. I'm more concerned by the tight deadline (end of year). It's forcing the government to make some questionable decisions (Ralph Goodale even suggested refugees could be screened in Canada instead of prior to arrival).

 

I admit I'm also perplexed by people positing that we have a moral obligation to take refugees running from the atrocities of ISIS, but no such obligation to try to prevent the atrocities from happening in the first place. Personally I think neither thing is a moral obligation, but I can understand if you think both are.

[Noxx]

There's a good reason Middle Eastern countries, like Qatar, have avoided/refused to take in any refugees. They are a burden on the local population (maybe not immediately, but they will be at some point). Additionally, the crime rate is only bound to go up. Then, of course, there are the obvious reasons (for other countries, not Qatar) for not wanting to take any (more) refugees such as religion and culture. You open your home to them, and a few weeks later they start complaining about Christmas decorations, lack of Mosques, etc. They are unwilling and/or unable to adapt and adjust and as a result they start demanding things be catered towards their wants/needs (specifically in terms of their religion). Before you know it, your city/town is New-Syria. 

 

It's a cruel and ignorant mindset to have, but this is survival of the fittest. The middle east, for the most part, is a shithole. It always has been, and it always will be. Long before the terrorists, and long after (if ever) they're gone. It's not the terrorism that have ruined these countries, it's the basic mindset and mentality of the people. The only way you can change that is by giving them a "western" education. But even then, largely due to their religion, there's little hope. 

[Veiva]

Yeah, Qatar only wants slaves, not refugees.

[Skull]

Yeah, Qatar only wants slaves, not refugees.

Damn, shots fired.

 

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Found a super awesome job opening that's entry level, in my field, and almost exactly where I wanted to be living.  It's too perfect, there's no way I'm going to get it.  But I'm trying to write a cover letter for it right now anyways.  The industry standard starting salary is much higher than anything I expected to be getting too, although I've read that they tend to underpay since it's a company that hires a lot of new grads.  But we're talking $15k over what I was expecting for the low end of the starting salary range.

 

So of course, I'm way over hyped for a job that I probably won't even get considered for.  If I had my HAZWOPER cert I think I'd have a shot, but it's too late for me to get that before applying for the job.

[Bonez899]

Guessing it is a hospital job or something? Not sure why you would need a hazardous waste cert otherwise.

[Skull]

It's a Hydrogeologist position.  The application says HAZWOPER is a plus (as opposed to a requirement) so it probably has more to do with possible interaction with hazardous material than that being a main part of the job.  Some of the work that the company does is with brownfield/superfund/generally contaminated sites, so I would imagine they want to be able to have anyone do that work as opposed to being limited on who they can have on site.

[Randox]

ADMIN POST:If the whole ISIS/refugee discussion is going to keep going/start again, I'd prefer it happen in another thread, if someone wants to make one. 
 
If not, I'll probably make the thread myself rather than move posts (none of the recent posts stood out to me as a good OP), and just move any posts made after that point into the new thread.

[RpgGamer]

I think it was relevant to "today" in light of the fact many posts had to do with events of the past couple days. But that's why I teased about making a new thread when I introduced the topic :p

 

TO'Day I committed to a new car, found RNGesus in my phone game, finished game of thrones (thus far), had some beers and found a parking ticket on my car despite having parked there nearly once a week since August. Overall good day

[Tim]

I've been approved for a place I applied for, I sign the lease on wednesday next week. I can finally move out of this shithole.

[Estonian dude]

Was at a training at my new workplace.

Still hard to fathom how large and succesful the company is.

[Noxx]

Damn i just realised that throughout this year, every time i have been in Greece, i've been mostly eating at the same place. There's a bakery near the hotel i usually stay in that make the most delicious sandwiches and spanakopita and that's pretty much all i've been eating. Today i walk into the bakery and the guy asked me "same as always?"

[Hedgehog]

That's me at panda express

[RpgGamer]

I love being treated like a regular. Makes me feel special. I visited my campus bar a few months ago and the bartendress remembered me even though I graduated the year before. Feelsgood.jpeg

[Skull]

My friend is super outgoing and I go to the bar with him more than anyone else.  He's introduced me to the same bartender a bunch of times trying to set us up or whatever and I still don't think she really remembers who I am.  And he wonders why I haven't made a move.  If someone doesn't remember me after being introduced like 8 times, I kinda get the feeling they're not interested in sleeping with me haha. That said, she is quite attractive.

 

At school, one of the campus bars had a bartender who gave me free shots and stuff. But I think that had to do more with the fact that she was friends with a bunch of my friends.

[Veiva]

So I successfully installed FreeBSD on my primary computer. Since it has a UEFI BIOS, partitioning the main drive so I could have an encrypted filesystem was pretty involved. After screwing up a few times, I ended up writing a few shell scripts and (after fixing any issues with the shell scripts) got everything set up smooth as butter.

 

But... FreeBSD doesn't support the internal wireless card chipest I have on the desktop. And I only have a single Ethernet cable, because it seems the rest ran off with socks and hair pins and other mythical items to Nowhere Land. And this single Ethernet cable is connected between the wireless router and the modem.

 

The default FreeBSD install is pretty useless without being able to install software. Doesn't even come with sudo (I have to use su, which is more cumbersome to say the least). There's essentially nothing I can do at this point without internet connectivity.

 

So I have to wait for an Ethernet cable from Amazon. Urgh.

 

However, installing and configuring FreeBSD was exceedingly nice. Outside of the small gotcha with my UEFI motherboard and the FreeBSD EFI boot loader not supporting ZFS, it went well. The documentation (man pages and on-site handbook) is simply amazing. Much better than Linux distributions amateurish guides and wikis. I also much prefer the consistency of FreeBSD. Again, Linux distributions feel hacked together... Like a car made out of some decent hobbyist engine, but shoved in some duck-taped hodgepodge of a car trying to be fashionable.