Sarah Palin

[assassin_696]

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Regardless of your opinion on the ethics of abortion, it's not a matter for the federal government to rule on.

 

 

 

Why not?

 

 

 

The 9th and 10th Amendments. I'm not saying they should ban it at all, that would be as invalid as mandating it should be legal. It should just be left to state legislatures.

 

 

 

Right, and there are state legislatures who have bans ready and rearing to go if Roe vs. Wade is ever overturned. So I ask you this: what other things would you leave only to the state legislatures? I asked Jack about the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which technically by your definition is unconstitutional.

 

 

 

This is exactly why I cannot stand our Bill of Rights, and why I agreed with James Madison. I know people who do not think Universal Health Care is a "right", simply because it's not listed in the Bill of Rights.

 

 

 

[T]he Framers did not intend that the first eight amendments be construed to exhaust the basic and fundamental rights.... I do not mean to imply that the .... Ninth Amendment constitutes an independent source of rights protected from infringement by either the States or the Federal Government....While the Ninth Amendment - and indeed the entire Bill of Rights - originally concerned restrictions upon federal power, the subsequently enacted Fourteenth Amendment prohibits the States as well from abridging fundamental personal liberties. And, the Ninth Amendment, in indicating that not all such liberties are specifically mentioned in the first eight amendments, is surely relevant in showing the existence of other fundamental personal rights, now protected from state, as well as federal, infringement.

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Fair enough then. I'm not American, and know very little about the Constitution or Bill of Rights. I was just following the 9th and 10th Amendments to what I thought to be their logical conclusions, clearly that's problematic. I think i'd agree with James Madison as well.

[jackattack]

There is a consensus in many places. As someone said earlier many states are just waiting for the Roe v. Wade decision to be overturned. There are laws already passed that would outlaw abortion once they take effect after Roe v. Wade is overturned.

 

Right, so abortion would be outlawed in one state and not in the state next to it... can't you see the futile nature of that situation? :?

If the court was out of the way I'd think we would be able to eventually get it in every state. Don't forget, even in California we voted to ban gay marriage. It was the court that made it legal.

 

 

 

 

 

yes mccain did pick her partially for being female, just like how obama was promoted by the party because he was black it is a fair comparison.

 

No. The fair comparison would be Barack Obama having stood at his candidacy launch in Illinois and shouted "Vote for me - I know what it's like to be black!". As mentioned by flipflop, if they were playing that sort of politics, Hillary would have been a better choice anyway.

 

 

 

No a fair comparison would be that if Obama was not black he would not have even been a state senator. If Palin had been a dude she would not have been a vp pick but she still may have been Governor.

 

 

 

Gaffe? Or someone who was a total pander pick and has no business being President or Vice President?

 

 

 

How many gaffes has Obama made? 57 states? Conceived during the Selma march? The Americans liberated Auschwitz? The Life article he made up in his book? The tornado that killed 10,000 people? Sioux City Iowa? Kentucky is closer to Arkansas than Illinois? And you made a pretty big deal about McCain's misspeak in Iraq. How about Obama who doesn't even know what language they speak in Afghanistan?

[magekillr]

I said "Gaffe?" in the beginning to blow it away by what I truly think: she doesn't understand the situation.

[jackattack]

They are government started companies.

[Necromagus]

But until they got taken over a few days ago, not government funded or controlled.

 

 

 

Anyway, if you want to know just how far Mrs. Palin's willingness to cut into the budget goes... While she was mayor of Wasilla, victims of rape would have to pay for the rape kits used to examine their bodies for evidence.

While the Alaska State Troopers and most municipal police agencies have covered the cost of exams, which cost between $300 to $1,200 apiece, the Wasilla police department does charge the victims of sexual assault for the tests.

[obfuscator]

what angers me is the media attention she receives about her daughter.

 

 

 

who cares if her daughter is pregnant? last i heard her daughter wasnt running for vp.

[Barihawk]

But until they got taken over a few days ago, not government funded or controlled.

 

 

 

Anyway, if you want to know just how far Mrs. Palin's willingness to cut into the budget goes... While she was mayor of Wasilla, victims of rape would have to pay for the rape kits used to examine their bodies for evidence.

While the Alaska State Troopers and most municipal police agencies have covered the cost of exams, which cost between $300 to $1,200 apiece, the Wasilla police department does charge the victims of sexual assault for the tests.

 

 

 

I hate to burst your bubble, but most towns and cities do this in the United States. State police agencies have large budgets. Townships, towns, and cities do not have the money to spare.

 

 

 

I am shocked, however, at the mudslinging in this thread. You guys are just probing the internet like everyone else to bash on the Republicans. It's like a race to see how many skeletons we can find in the closet.

 

 

 

I don't see any bashing on Joe Biden who is against net neutrality, videogames, and movies that you guys probably enjoy.

[Necromagus]

But according to that article, Palin's town is pretty much the only one in Alaska that expects the victims to pick up the tab, going directly against state law.

[BlueLancer]

 

I am shocked, however, at the mudslinging in this thread. You guys are just probing the internet like everyone else to bash on the Republicans. It's like a race to see how many skeletons we can find in the closet.

 

 

 

I don't see any bashing on Joe Biden who is against net neutrality, videogames, and movies that you guys probably enjoy.

 

 

 

Heh, no joke, I almost forgot Biden still exists anymore. He gets next to nil media attention these days, even the teddy bear of Palin's youngest daughter gets more air time...

 

 

 

American politics has been all about mud-slinging since Kennedy if you actually look at the election campaigns. It's rooted in as a dirty part of american culture... Don't think there's turning back on this one.

 

 

 

Not a huge fan of Obama, despite what his election crew does, he's not the kind to provoke personal attacks, props for that. McCain is quite the polar opposite, he reminds me of Hillary... Willing to do anything and say anything, even if it's the ultimate degradation of the opponent, to force their agenda through.

[Barihawk]

Oh, Obama supports the mudslinging. He just doesn't endorse it. His people make all the crackshots and he gets to stand on the sideline and say "I do not approve of this" for extra ratings.

[jackattack]

^^ No way. Obama will take us beyond the politics of the past. :lol:

 

 

 

 

I am shocked, however, at the mudslinging in this thread. You guys are just probing the internet like everyone else to bash on the Republicans. It's like a race to see how many skeletons we can find in the closet.

 

 

 

I don't see any bashing on Joe Biden who is against net neutrality, videogames, and movies that you guys probably enjoy.

 

 

 

 

 

No joke. No matter who he picked they would have gone after him. And I just realized the claim that she has no foreign policy experience carries little weight. No Governor does. Including Romney, Huckabee, Clinton, or Reagan

[Ginger_Warrior]

I agree. A lack of foreign experience shouldn't carry weight. However, when one of these two situations applies, it does:

 

 

 

A) You accuse your opposing candidate of having no experience, and from this, say he is unfit for Presidency.

 

 

 

B) You try and say your own VP does have foreign experience, only to change your mind later when you realise people aren't falling for it.

 

 

 

As for mudslinging... really, what do you expect? That's the problem when you're voting for individuals rather than ideals. The whole business of what they'll actually do and what they stand for becomes forgotten in a personality contest.

[snowball]

Sarah Palin scares me... I don't know why, she just does... :ohnoes:

[chris1216]

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpoints ... ts_o_1.php

 

 

 

Is all you need to know.

 

 

 

And in case you kids were wondering, McCain's economic and health plans are awful. Just plain awful.

[Ts_Stormrage]

Barack Obama gave a speech in which he commented on the Republicans "putting lipstick on a pig" and "wrapping an 8 year old fish in fresh paper will still stink"

 

 

 

The Republican party immediatly jumped on these otherwise quite common expressions saying that it is a new low to call Palin a pig...

 

 

 

With all due respect to Sarah Palin but she is the one who started with the animal comparisson of her to a barracuda and a pitbull... Even IF these weren't common expressions, and even IF these were specifically targetted at Sarah Palin, I still think its a bit overreacted...

 

 

 

On top of that; what is with the utter media black-out around her? No reporter can ask her a question, and if they get too near, she's shoved into an SUV... The only thing she does is give speeches and interact with carefully selected indiviuals... A certain presumed dead dictator of North Korea has about the same level of interaction with the media...

 

 

 

I'm from holland, and here we are heavily a fan of Barack Obama (polls suggest 85%), as the rest of Europe is...

 

We collectivly urge the people of the United States to elect Obama (slap some tough sense in your parents)... If John McCain is allowed to continue the policies of George Bush, who violated more Constitutional and International laws and treaties then ANY other president before him, then Europe can no longer consider America to be a nation of Honor, let alone freedom...

 

 

 

A little PS: Here in Europe, debates over things like abortion and evolution are a non issue... I refer you to these 2 little clips of Bill Maher:

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Barihawk]

I don't get why people consider McCain to be Bush 2.0? He might have some similar personal beliefs, but his style of government is going to be radically different. He is going to remove us from Iraq, which is what the international community wants. He will not pursue religious based legislation like Bush. He's just going to govern this country with no hooks or catches. Obama is doing somewhat of the same. No matter who gets elected, things are going to get better. I still will write in Ronald Reagan's ghost on my ballot.

[magekillr]

I don't get why people consider McCain to be Bush 2.0?

 

 

 

Yeah I don't know either. It's more like

 

 

 

The man would be far WORSE than George Bush.

[Ts_Stormrage]

I don't get why people consider McCain to be Bush 2.0?

 

 

 

Thats because he's not... He's not a new version of Bush... Its Bush 1.0.1... Same thing trying to repair the damage it inflicted itself...

 

 

 

Besides, McCain changes his mind more often (Palin too btw) then I change my underwear... Republicans is the party of conservative Christians, which I dare to call borderline fundamentalistic christians...

 

 

 

Last election it showed that States with an average IQ of less then 100 voted mostly Bush, and those who have higher then 100 on average, voted mostly for Kerry...

[Barihawk]

That last statistic is:

 

a) bullcrap

 

B) irrelevant as IQ is no judge whatsoever of intelligence

 

 

 

And as a conservative Christian, I take offense to the statement. Republicans are the party of Conservatives, who believe that the government should not force itself upon the will of the people. The Candidate and his beliefs are merely reflections of voters. And considering that McCain still has so much more support shows that at least half the country likes him.

 

 

 

And since you are European, I will give you the speech I usually give. Your definitions of conservative and liberal are opposite to what the US considers. Our conservatives (at least excluding Bush) include the ideologies of Locke and Montesque, in that power should belong to the people, like the liberal Europeans of the French Revolution and American Revolution. We are not like your conservatives who want power under consolidation.

 

 

 

And I am still pretty pissed about that IQ statement. That was just...ignorant.

[Quoi_Tu]

I don't get why people consider McCain to be Bush 2.0?

 

 

 

Thats because he's not... He's not a new version of Bush... Its Bush 1.0.1... Same thing trying to repair the damage it inflicted itself...

 

 

 

Besides, McCain changes his mind more often (Palin too btw) then I change my underwear... Republicans is the party of conservative Christians, which I dare to call borderline fundamentalistic christians...

 

 

 

Last election it showed that States with an average IQ of less then 100 voted mostly Bush, and those who have higher then 100 on average, voted mostly for Kerry...

 

 

 

In McCain's defense, all politicians "change their minds." It's not a republican-only thing. And McCain used to be a lot more moderate and still kind of is compared to Palin, but he's becoming way too conservative.

 

 

 

In the state IQ's defense, you made that up. Also, Kerry wasn't much better than Bush. The 2004 election truly was a choice of which one was the lesser evil. I don't think Bush was the right choice, but Kerry would not have been much better.

 

 

 

Semi edit: Bari got it first, so my post is bit repetitive.

[Barihawk]

I kind of agree that 2004's case is the same as today. Although I consider McCain to be the lesser of the two evils :P.

 

 

 

I don't want the federal government to take the power that Obama is promising. Instead, the Fed should be telling the states to exercise their rights more in order to serve the people. Power to the people, not the government.

[darkace21]

I don't get why people consider McCain to be Bush 2.0? He might have some similar personal beliefs, but his style of government is going to be radically different. He is going to remove us from Iraq, which is what the international community wants. He will not pursue religious based legislation like Bush. He's just going to govern this country with no hooks or catches. Obama is doing somewhat of the same. No matter who gets elected, things are going to get better. I still will write in Ronald Reagan's ghost on my ballot.

 

I remember reading somewhere that McCain planned on keeping the US in Iraq for as long as he could.

[Ginger_Warrior]

Republicans are the party of Conservatives, who believe that the government should not force itself upon the will of the people.

 

Yet you have a Republican President who declares a war (no, two wars) which costs the US taxpayer billions of USD. If McCain and Palin come into office, she will push for a ban on abortion, thus removing the will of women who desire one. Bush on several occasions has vetoed stem-cell research, thus removing the will of researchers who want to push scientific boundaries.

 

 

 

That doesn't strike me as a Party that wants to promote the will of the people. It strikes me as a Party who will tell you they don't want to force people (in issues close to them which they know they'd lose - gun control for starters), but will force itself if something contradicts their own moral standards, with most of these standards coming straight out of the Bible.

[Barihawk]

Ginger: Did I say I was willingly voting for McCain? I do believe I stated that I believe him to be the lesser of two evils. The Republican Party is having issues similar to the Democratic Party with conflicting ideologies inside the party.

 

 

 

I remember reading somewhere that McCain planned on keeping the US in Iraq for as long as he could.

 

 

 

I remember reading somewhere that Obama was Muslim. What you said is a half truth. McCain expects to pull US troops out as soon as possible. However, he plans on leaving them there as long as possible to ensure a smooth transition. In other words, he is not going to immediately pull them out on his first day. Neither is Obama. It's worth mentioning that Obama and McCain agree completely as far as troop pullouts go.

[chris1216]

I do believe I stated that I believe him to be the lesser of two evils.

 

 

 

You clearly haven't read much into McCain's health or economic plans, especially the part where his entire plan of helping families get insurance is to cut massive checks to insurance companies.

 

 

 

The reason conservative thinking absolutely fails in this day and age is that they believe that a less interfering government helps people get on with their lives, when the actual reality is that a less interfering government just makes it easier for everyone to do their best to screw everyone else.

 

 

 

You also are disgusted at the amount of mud that people sling on this, a tiny forum that only runescape users visit, and turn a blind eye to the atrocity that was the commercial that insinuated that Obama wants to teach kindergardeners about sex before they learn to read.

 

 

 

There's a difference between a tiny forum and a national commercial.