True it would be nice if f2p got something better then rune, maybe not as high up as dragon, but if that was the case, they would need to change something for range and magic to keep it at least somewhat balanced. But I wouldn't complain about faster training methods like this for f2p ;). Now whether or not f2p deserves it or not is another question. Sure it would be nice, but after all it is the free version, all the perks help give Jagex more members. Its nice to dream though

The corrupt weapons, quite frankly, suck. No special and one half hour of use. Well, at least no special with the Dagger. So maybe Nonmembers could get some sort of non degradable PvP dropped item at like lvl 50. It could still be called corrupt dragon, but it would not degrade but would have weaker stats, and maybe a spec. But the spec would have to be weakened too. If Jagex did this, they should also add something like "Frail Magic Bow" and "Failed Mystic Robes." Weaker stats, non-degradable, and PvP dropped. Plus, you could throw in a few "high-level" spells. Say enhanced versions of current spells with higher rune costs.

Its nice to dream though

 

 

 

"I have a dream! That one day, all f2pers and p2pers will live together in harmony and we shall all share our weapons with each other! No more discrimination or whatsoever~~" :XD: Just Kidding!

 

 

 

 

 

Ok aside from that, I feel that Dragon weaponry aren't really obsolete to members yet (especially new members) and it's a some sort of 'rite' into p2p-ship or p2p-dom (don't really know how to word it but hope you get the idea). It's sort of like a symbolic thingy. :)

 

 

 

For members on a budget, D Scimitar or Longsword still works pretty fine if you don't have an Abbysal, SS or other better weapons. Actually, in this case for the corrupted Dragon items, I am thinking it's some sort of advertisement just like the Gnomecopters.

 

 

 

Now perhaps the point system might be appreciated by loyal members who have subscribed for more than a certain period of time? Not sure how this will affect the Combat Triangle though. Might be unfair to long-time f2pers; but I think loyal p2pers should be able to get some sort of appreciation when they become f2p due to whatever reason.

 

 

 

Offering D Weapons straight into the game for f2pers (quest concern aside) might be pretty unfair to p2pers who first subscribed for the Dragon weapons in the first place way way back in classic or even now. Also, f2p mage and rangers will be the first one to rant about this in the 'Rants' section and what next? "Mystics should be made f2p!"? "Better crossbows?" #-o

 

 

 

Now, about giving Achievement Capes to f2p, that's another matter altogether :XD:

Give F2P a special on the rune scimmy where it drains 10% run energy if it hits.

 

I think giving a special on F2P is too much, they would literally implode from the excitement.

 

 

 

P.S. I was F2P for 3 1/2 years before turning into members and believe me, before all the updates that F2P received I had enough on my plate to make it an enjoyable experience. They should be grateful of all the things they've received so far.

Freeplay may not deserve Dragon weapons, but it isn't like Members really appreciates them, either. I've said it since Splitbark armor came out -- give freeplay what we don't use, and create a demand for it. -.-

 

 

 

Who cares if we don't appreciate them? As for that matter, where are you pulling this assumption from that members don't appreciate dragon weapons? I certainly appreciate my dragon scimitar, goes very well in combination with a rune defender for training strength. F2P don't deserve to get things that fall down the P2P ladder when new equipment comes out, in fact F2P don't deserve anything full stop.

 

You are like one of those children who have a toy that they never play with but then have a tantrum when their parents want to give it away.

 

 

 

-Player since 2003.

 

 

 

Anyway, dragon weapons would, I think, end up being quite overpowered in f2p. Really, better offensive weapons are not needed, although I do know what you mean about it being difficult to kill someone in f2p. For me, f2p pking has always been about "Low risk, Low rewards", while p2p has been "high risk, high rewards." And by the way, a good f2p pker can do not bad at all, if he knows what he's doing.

 

 

 

By the way, corrupt dragon doesn't seem to be completely useless. I can see the dragon battleaxe becoming a decent ko weapon, with 15 more strength than an r2h (18 if you combine it with a rune [bleep]y sheild). And you only have KO weapons out for a few seconds at a time, so that half hour would last quite a bit, if I am not mistaken.

I agree, corrupted dragon should be a little bit better then rune (Not drastically better, but better) but not as good as the real deal.

 

Maybe something like this

 

 

 

[hide=Stats IMO]Stats of full rune w/chain, sq and med:

 

Stab: 174

 

Slash: 184

 

Crush: 182

 

Magic: -8

 

Range: 174

 

 

 

Stats of full rune w/full helm and kite

 

Stab: 207

 

Slash: 209

 

Crush: 192

 

Magic: -12

 

Range: 205

 

 

 

Full Dragon w/chain, sq and, med:

 

Stab: 232

 

Slash: 246

 

Crush: 241

 

Magic: -8

 

Range: 231

 

 

 

Now if we're comparing the stats to full rune with chain, sq and, med then I think full corrupted should be:

 

Stab: 211

 

Slash: 201

 

Crush: 112

 

Magic: -8

 

Range: 200

 

 

 

If we're comparing it with FULL rune then I think the stats of corrupted dragon should be around:

 

 

 

Stab: 217

 

Slash: 215

 

Crush: 214

 

Magic: -10

 

Range: 205[/hide]

 

 

 

I tried not to make it to close to dragon :P

tip: never use the word "deserve" and "f2p" in the same sewntence unless there is a "dont" in the middle of them.

 

 

 

f2p'ers deserve notheing you have not given anything to help runescape. if all of the members quit then do you think f2p'ers would"deserve" something, no. why? because there would be nothing to saticfy the "deserving" with. f2p is basicly a bunch of freeloading, even though i plan on going f2p for a month or 2, it is purely for the simpleness of it, i am a bit overwelmed at school and socialy atm so i want a simpler happy place.

 

 

 

f2p do nothing to better the runescape comunity...there has been 0 updates paid for by f2p...

 

 

 

and dont even say add, with hd you dont even have to look at them at all anymore.

 

 

 

Deserving something by Jagex means you have to pay, that you made clear.

 

And F2p has to look at the ads even with HD, we cannot have fullscreen.

 

Are you sure F2p hasn't brought money for an update? Do you work with Jagex?

 

F2p paid for Members to start! Yeah, those ads in the early days paid for Members and because

 

Jagex saw potential costumers. If Jagex didn't see any more potential costumers they would get rid of F2p a long time ago.

Freeplay may not deserve Dragon weapons, but it isn't like Members really appreciates them, either. I've said it since Splitbark armor came out -- give freeplay what we don't use, and create a demand for it. -.-

 

 

 

Who cares if we don't appreciate them? As for that matter, where are you pulling this assumption from that members don't appreciate dragon weapons? I certainly appreciate my dragon scimitar, goes very well in combination with a rune defender for training strength. F2P don't deserve to get things that fall down the P2P ladder when new equipment comes out, in fact F2P don't deserve anything full stop.

 

You are like one of those children who have a toy that they never play with but then have a tantrum when their parents want to give it away.

 

 

 

-Player since 2003.

 

 

 

No, I'm really not. I'm like one of those people who pay for something and use it, and doesn't like the idea of somebody else getting the same usage for nothing. I use dragon scimitars, dragon daggers, and dragon maces on a regular basis. Sometimes I might use a Halberd, but I'll admit there are a few dragon weapons I'll rarely use anymore. Does that mean F2P should get them? No. Should F2P get skeletal/rockshell/spined armour? I certainly don't use those but I can't think of any good reason why F2P deserve them.

Quite frankly, I'm sick of hearing all this "f2p is full of freeloaders" crap that comes out every time f2p gets something. I've been playing for over 4 years now, and not once have I been members, why? Because my parents wouldnt let me, and now I have better things to spend my money on. This doesn't make me a freeloader imo. It's not like I am supposed to pay but found a way to play it free (such as downloading a new movie instead of paying to see it), instead the choice is made available, and I choose not to pay.

 

 

 

Yes, f2p will get an update every now and again, deal with it. Yes, there are going to be ungrateful people who complain about the updates wanting more, but it's not like members are any better when they get something. Hell, I've only complained about one update, and that was the trade restrictions, yet I constantly see members complaining about every single update, so people from both sides are ungrateful, not just us.

 

 

 

As for the corrupted dragon, I couldn't really care about it. As it is, melee will pretty much tear apart both mage and range in a fight, and this only creates a larger gap between the classes.

Freeplay may not deserve Dragon weapons, but it isn't like Members really appreciates them, either. I've said it since Splitbark armor came out -- give freeplay what we don't use, and create a demand for it. -.-

 

 

 

Who cares if we don't appreciate them? As for that matter, where are you pulling this assumption from that members don't appreciate dragon weapons? I certainly appreciate my dragon scimitar, goes very well in combination with a rune defender for training strength. F2P don't deserve to get things that fall down the P2P ladder when new equipment comes out, in fact F2P don't deserve anything full stop.

 

You are like one of those children who have a toy that they never play with but then have a tantrum when their parents want to give it away.

 

 

 

-Player since 2003.

 

 

 

Anyway, dragon weapons would, I think, end up being quite overpowered in f2p. Really, better offensive weapons are not needed, although I do know what you mean about it being difficult to kill someone in f2p. For me, f2p pking has always been about "Low risk, Low rewards", while p2p has been "high risk, high rewards." And by the way, a good f2p pker can do not bad at all, if he knows what he's doing.

 

 

 

By the way, corrupt dragon doesn't seem to be completely useless. I can see the dragon battleaxe becoming a decent ko weapon, with 15 more strength than an r2h (18 if you combine it with a rune [bleep]y sheild). And you only have KO weapons out for a few seconds at a time, so that half hour would last quite a bit, if I am not mistaken.

 

He does not want to see actual dragon weapons in F2P, as do I, and judging by your post, neither do you. Why would they ever give F2P dragon weapons? They add incentive to join, and the corrupt versions only add previews of them, which is a great way to get people to join. And honestly, yes, some "toys" I never use, but when they are being given away to others it makes me question why I bother paying for other "toys" in general; I could get them for free. Now, do not get me wrong, I am glad to see F2P getting PvP, and certainly happy that they get a preview into membership, which can only add revenue for Jagex, thus benefiting us.

 

 

 

Just because we do not use them, the majority anyways, does not make a good reason to give them to people who do not pay for the benefits.

This doesn't make me a freeloader imo. It's not like I am supposed to pay but found a way to play it free (such as downloading a new movie instead of paying to see it), instead the choice is made available, and I choose not to pay.

 

 

 

To freeload is defined as "to take advantage of others for free food, entertainment, etc. ", so yes F2p'ers are freeloaders.

 

 

 

Because my parents wouldnt let me, and now I have better things to spend my money on.

 

 

 

And Jagex has more grateful, and paying mind you, customers to give updates to. So there you have it.

 

 

 

Quite frankly, I'm sick of hearing all this "f2p is full of freeloaders" crap that comes out every time f2p gets something.

 

 

 

Last I checked, this discussion started because the "deserve" word got thrown around. So what you're saying is that you don't want anyone disagreeing that f2p should get more stuffs, basically.

Omali-To freeload is defined as "to take advantage of others for free food, entertainment, etc. ", so yes F2p'ers are freeloaders. (sorry, not to good with quote tags etc)

 

 

 

We are given the chance to pay, or not, we are not "taking advantage of others". If f2p only lasted x amount of time per account, and people constantly made new accounts to play for free, THEN they would be freeloading, but not in the case that is currently available.

 

 

 

Omali-

 

Last I checked, this discussion started because the "deserve" word got thrown around. So what you're saying is that you don't want anyone disagreeing that f2p should get more stuffs, basically.

 

 

 

I'm not saying that at all. I honestly dont care if we get anything new or not. With what I see, what is in f2p is fine, only updates I would be disappointed about is if they were to stop making holiday events/items f2p, and it's this that I dont want anyone disagreeing with.

 

 

 

Omali-And Jagex has more grateful, and paying mind you, customers to give updates to. So there you have it.

 

 

 

Hmmm, more grateful, paying customers who whine and complain about everything whenever they get the chance (not all members btw, so don't judge this whole point on that), compared to those who are happy that they get to play the game their own way without paying for it? Come on, there are grateful and ungrateful people on both sides of this. So there you have it.

the corrupt weapons are fine

 

 

 

no need for the real things in f2p

Yeah, because F2P players aren't normal people, like you. They should get the [cabbage]ty items.

 

 

 

Jagex is never going to give F2P dragon items, because they don't give a [cabbage] about F2P; they care about money.

We are given the chance to pay, or not, we are not "taking advantage of others". If f2p only lasted x amount of time per account, and people constantly made new accounts to play for free, THEN they would be freeloading, but not in the case that is currently available.

 

 

 

Taking advantage means to use something, it doesn't always describe abuse of a commodity. By using f2p, you're taking advantage of a free service (IE: Using it), which makes you a freeloader.

 

 

 

I'm not saying that at all. I honestly dont care if we get anything new or not. With what I see, what is in f2p is fine, only updates I would be disappointed about is if they were to stop making holiday events/items f2p, and it's this that I dont want anyone disagreeing with.

 

 

 

Absolutely. I've always been in favor of f2p getting to participate in the holiday events.

 

 

 

Hmmm, more grateful, paying customers who whine and complain about everything whenever they get the chance (not all members btw, so don't judge this whole point on that), compared to those who are happy that they get to play the game their own way without paying for it? Come on, there are grateful and ungrateful people on both sides of this. So there you have it.

 

 

 

Yes there are. Jagex can't be bothered to cater to you if you say you have better things to spend your money on, but demand extras.

This doesn't make me a freeloader imo. It's not like I am supposed to pay but found a way to play it free (such as downloading a new movie instead of paying to see it), instead the choice is made available, and I choose not to pay.

 

 

 

To freeload is defined as "to take advantage of others for free food, entertainment, etc. ", so yes F2p'ers are freeloaders.

 

 

 

*sigh*

 

 

 

F2P was made to be played, not to be flamed by P2Pers. I think that you're taking advantage of your RuneScape membership.

Omali-Yes there are. Jagex can't be bothered to cater to you if you say you have better things to spend your money on, but demand extras.

 

 

 

I believe that Jagex can and do cater to us though, even though we have better things to spend our money on, hence why we have corrupted dragon, more bankspace a few years ago etc. We just dont get things often, which is completely reasonable, but to think that we should get nothing is ridiculous. Jagex know that there are people who have been f2p for an extended period of time. They also know that people get bored with f2p. If every now and again they give f2p a brief taste of members, then they are going to keep people in game longer, and hence create a greater chance of the person getting members.

 

 

 

Omali-Absolutely. I've always been in favor of f2p getting to participate in the holiday events.

 

 

 

Glad you think that way :thumbsup:

 

 

 

Omali-Taking advantage means to use something, it doesn't always describe abuse of a commodity. By using f2p, you're taking advantage of a free service (IE: Using it), which makes you a freeloader.

 

 

 

Point taken about the whole taking advantage thing, but as far as freeloading goes, if Jagex didn't want this, then the whole f2p system would be changed so that my example of playing for x time would be put in, or it removed completely, hence there is nothing wrong with freeloading.

 

 

 

Also, keep in mind that I know how bad some of the f2p complaining can get, just dont assume it is all of us.

To note that the person who said "deserve" was a former p2p'er.

 

People who've been f2p all the way know what they can count on.

 

 

 

No need to put all f2p'ers in the same bag you know... :thumbdown:

Weapons better than rune but worse than dragon may need to have some other special requirement to weild. Like maybe a long and medium difficulty ranked quest. that requires some decent skills and should go to the f2p with the patience to get 40 qp. That way f2p will get the experience on how members have to do difficult things such as quests to get the better stuff. They should also make this armor a rare drop from a f2p boss of some sort so the rich people who buy the best equipment have to kill it alot before it sells often at GE

f2p has been getting way to many updates latly anyway, seriously i can understand the pvp replacments but even these were in this last year.

 

 

 

more bank space(came with members summoning... :? )

 

rc guild(really jagex)

 

all the ovo replacments along w/ team capes and duel arena

 

currupt dragon armor(to far imo)

 

 

 

and to think the whole time i was f2p(about 5 months) there were 0 updates and not even 1 f2p poll

 

 

 

quote taken as i go to post this.

 

"Weapons better than rune but worse than dragon may need to have some other special requirement to weild. Like maybe a long and medium difficulty ranked quest. that requires some decent skills and should go to the f2p with the patience to get 40 qp. That way f2p will get the experience on how members have to do difficult things such as quests to get the better stuff. They should also make this armor a rare drop from a f2p boss of some sort so the rich people who buy the best equipment have to kill it alot before it sells often at GE"

 

exactly what i am pointing at, now f2p wants

 

new armor

 

more quests

 

a boss

 

not to mention that he thinks 40qp even in f2p is patience :wall:

the corrupt weapons are fine

 

 

 

no need for the real things in f2p

Yeah, because F2P players aren't normal people, like you. They should get the [cabbage] items.

 

 

 

Jagex is never going to give F2P dragon items, because they don't give a [cabbage] about F2P; they care about money.

 

:wall: :wall:

 

jagex= company

 

you are lucky there is f2p at all

 

f2p is just something to get you to buy p2p

 

if i had my way f2p would get sheep shearer and maybe vampire slayer

 

addy armour best armour available

 

and max level would be 40

 

no hd or fullscreen

 

30 item bankspace

 

highest level monster being black knights

 

and you are not normal rs players therefore you should not get normal rs items

 

f2p even lost its usefullness with macros providing us with cheap yews and essence :roll:

 

f2p runescape is the biggest free to play game available ever!

 

be happy with that!

first of all, f2p doesnt want new armour, more quests or a boss, although these things would be nice, and people would LIKE (not demand) it, most people know it isnt going to happen, and therefore, dont bother complaining about it. Coolsam223 was just pointing out a suggestion, not demands. And Great_one, I've been f2p over 4 years, and theres only one update I remember apart from the ones you have brought up, plus the bank updates.

first of all, f2p doesnt want new armour, more quests or a boss, although these things would be nice, and people would LIKE (not demand) it, most people know it isnt going to happen, and therefore, dont bother complaining about it. Coolsam223 was just pointing out a suggestion, not demands. And Great_one, I've been f2p over 4 years, and theres only one update I remember apart from the ones you have brought up, plus the bank updates.

 

i suggestion doesnt start with. "f2p now deserves dragon weapons..." it would be "dragon wepons for f2p" and would point out ways to intigrade them and it should be in bug and suggestions if it is one...not gd

I was refering to what Coolsam223 said,

 

 

 

"Weapons better than rune but worse than dragon may need to have some other special requirement to weild. Like maybe a long and medium difficulty ranked quest. that requires some decent skills and should go to the f2p with the patience to get 40 qp. That way f2p will get the experience on how members have to do difficult things such as quests to get the better stuff. They should also make this armor a rare drop from a f2p boss of some sort so the rich people who buy the best equipment have to kill it alot before it sells often at GE"

 

 

 

And although it isn't the most well thought out idea ever, is still a basic suggestion, which is what I was referring to. You must have thought that I was talking about the entire topic being the suggestion, which is clearly a demand. I am assuming I need to begin being very specific in anything I say?

F2P doesn't "deserve" anything... This coming from someone who hasn't paid for any rs membership in 6 years. It's solely at Jagex's discretion to even keep so many F2P content servers online as a demo version (face it, they could easily cut down on the number of servers, they aren't peaked all the time), let alone add new free content which comes out of their purse for no compensation.

let alone add new free content which comes out of their purse for no compensation.

 

 

 

ahhh but remember jagex get money from adds from f2p so they dont get nothing, but yes i think the duel arena was the limit of f2p stuff to be honest id be happy with what ive got if i where you ,remember f2p is free, p2p = cost so p2p needs to have attractions to get f2pers or jagex would get less memberships.