RayOxide Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 Wow. :) :) I dont need a siggy no moar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quoi_Tu Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 Basically, the only reason the Myers-Briggs is still around is because it has a big marketing budget behind it, and managers like it because it puts people in one of 16 neat categories. But they're taking you all for fools! Think about it, are you really one of 16 types of people in the world, or is it more complicated than that? When we had to take it in college for a future possible careers thing, the lady giving the exam said afterwards that many people will get different results everytime they take the test. I've read some of the descriptions of other types and I think about 4 of them describe me. Besides crazy business people, I think the test is more geared toward having people critically think about themselves and who they are. It seems to work in that respect. Beer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsavi Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 Same thing goes for political compass test, I've never gotten the same results twice- Even when I took them right after each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginger_Warrior Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 Additionally, there is no evidence for the Types. If everyone is either E or I, then you'd expect lots of people to score high on E and lots of people to score high on I. In fact, what you find is that most people are near the middle. So, splitting it up into a dichotomy is a stupid idea because the person that gets 51% isn't very different from the person who gets 49%. Hence why you're encouraged to read other personality types. Knowing your own is useless if you've nothing to compare it to, or cross validate it with. Most websites will confirm that the types are merely archetypal, you won't completely match with any Jungian personality type, and you aren't meant to 'box yourself' in to a given personality because of the results. The whole point is to be aware of your negative traits, and work on ways to counter them. Myers-Briggs is also based on Jungian psychology, which no one uses any more and has little relevance to modern psychology. In the same way Hippocrates is no longer relevant to modern day medicine, or Homer is no longer relevant to modern day poetical literature, yes. The fact of the matter is this: the whole field of personality psychology is subjective, since we all have distinct personalities. 'Subjective' doesn't equate to 'wrong' though, so long as it doesn't claim to be a scientific analysis without objective evidence first. Myers-Briggs should also not be used for candidate selection at job interviews because it is inappropriate. You will also struggle to find any research papers that use the Myers-Briggs for anything. I've not come across any interview process which does use it. In some ways, that entire statement is like the IQ test debate. It's a non-issue since so few organisations actually use them, and they're more designed for team-building, personal development, and above all else, to point out how irrelevant they actually are on the grander scheme of things. Basically, the only reason the Myers-Briggs is still around is because it has a big marketing budget behind it, and managers like it because it puts people in one of 16 neat categories. But they're taking you all for fools! Think about it, are you really one of 16 types of people in the world, or is it more complicated than that? Again, you're raising strawmen. Of all these tests I've taken, not even one has been offered to me by a workplace! No one's claiming there are 16 personality types, and every single person fits perfectly into one of these types. There's other people who have been flagged the same type as me in this thread, but are not otherwise similar to me in any way. The test is not meant to be taken literally as a guide on how to perceive or act on things in life in accordance to personality. As Quoi_Tu says, it's meant to provoke people into thinking critically about why other people and themselves act the way they do, what qualities we like in other people, and why some people just can't get along with one another. | Favourite Game Music | Last.fm | HYT Friend Chat Rules | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trashyyy Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThurinEthir Posted December 16, 2008 Share Posted December 16, 2008 The test is not meant to be taken literally as a guide on how to perceive or act on things in life in accordance to personality. As Quoi_Tu says, it's meant to provoke people into thinking critically about why other people and themselves act the way they do, what qualities we like in other people, and why some people just can't get along with one another. The first time I took this was at school, it was part of some activity to help us make new friends or something. We got together with other people who got the same result, two other people were INTJs. Now, one of them is one of my best friends, the other is one of my worst enemies. :lol: Cenin pân nîd, istan pân nîd, dan nin ú-cenich, nin ú-istach.Ithil luin eria vi menel caran...Tîn dan delu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dusqi Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 Additionally, there is no evidence for the Types. If everyone is either E or I, then you'd expect lots of people to score high on E and lots of people to score high on I. In fact, what you find is that most people are near the middle. So, splitting it up into a dichotomy is a stupid idea because the person that gets 51% isn't very different from the person who gets 49%. Hence why you're encouraged to read other personality types. Knowing your own is useless if you've nothing to compare it to, or cross validate it with. Most websites will confirm that the types are merely archetypal, you won't completely match with any Jungian personality type, and you aren't meant to 'box yourself' in to a given personality because of the results. The whole point is to be aware of your negative traits, and work on ways to counter them. Myers-Briggs is also based on Jungian psychology, which no one uses any more and has little relevance to modern psychology. In the same way Hippocrates is no longer relevant to modern day medicine, or Homer is no longer relevant to modern day poetical literature, yes. The fact of the matter is this: the whole field of personality psychology is subjective, since we all have distinct personalities. 'Subjective' doesn't equate to 'wrong' though, so long as it doesn't claim to be a scientific analysis without objective evidence first. Myers-Briggs should also not be used for candidate selection at job interviews because it is inappropriate. You will also struggle to find any research papers that use the Myers-Briggs for anything. I've not come across any interview process which does use it. In some ways, that entire statement is like the IQ test debate. It's a non-issue since so few organisations actually use them, and they're more designed for team-building, personal development, and above all else, to point out how irrelevant they actually are on the grander scheme of things. Basically, the only reason the Myers-Briggs is still around is because it has a big marketing budget behind it, and managers like it because it puts people in one of 16 neat categories. But they're taking you all for fools! Think about it, are you really one of 16 types of people in the world, or is it more complicated than that? Again, you're raising strawmen. Of all these tests I've taken, not even one has been offered to me by a workplace! No one's claiming there are 16 personality types, and every single person fits perfectly into one of these types. There's other people who have been flagged the same type as me in this thread, but are not otherwise similar to me in any way. The test is not meant to be taken literally as a guide on how to perceive or act on things in life in accordance to personality. As Quoi_Tu says, it's meant to provoke people into thinking critically about why other people and themselves act the way they do, what qualities we like in other people, and why some people just can't get along with one another. So you're saying that the Myers-Briggs isn't an accurate representation of personality, but that people should use it anyway for self-development purposes. In that case, why not just use a random number generator to generate a random personality description and then get people to reflect on it? Or, better yet, there are personality tests that do not have the disadvantages that the Myers-Briggs has (e.g. Big Five personality test). So why not just use one of them? For it is the greyness of dusk that reigns.The time when the living and the dead exist as one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wongtong Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 #1: ESTJ - The "Overseer" #2: ESTP - The "Persuader" #3: ESFJ - The "Supporter" #4: ESFJ - The "Supporter" Meh, I'll take it again some other time.. just to be sure :lol: - Most frequent type among women with coronary heart disease. D: ESFJs are warm-hearted individuals who highly value their close personal relationships. They are very service-oriented, and their own happiness is closely tied into the happiness and comfort of those around them. They are valued for their genuine warm and caring natures, and their special ability to bring out the best in others. They usually do not handle conflict well, and may tend to be very controlling or manipulative. Relationships are central to their lives, and they put forth a great amount of energy into developing and maintaining their close interpersonal relationships. They expect the same from others. Damn straight. :x ---- BTW, I heard somewhere that if you want to figure out what Myer Briggs personality type you're attracted to, you change the first and last letter to the opposite in your personality type. Eg mine is ESFJ, I am attracted to people who are ISFP 8,180WONGTONG IS THE BEST AND IS MORE SUPERIOR THAN ME#1 Wongtong stalker.Im looking for some No Limit soldiers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginger_Warrior Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 So you're saying that the Myers-Briggs isn't an accurate representation of personality, but that people should use it anyway for self-development purposes. It depends on how accurate you want it to be. There are no 100% accurate personality tests, and no person's personality is 100% identical to someone else's. End of. Nor did I say it was a representation. The Myers-Briggs test was originally designed as an analysis. In that case, why not just use a random number generator to generate a random personality description and then get people to reflect on it? Just because something isn't exactly precise does not make it 'random'. Everyone has a unique personality, but it is still predetermined through experience, thus cannot possibly be 'random' by definition. Or, better yet, there are personality tests that do not have the disadvantages that the Myers-Briggs has (e.g. Big Five personality test). So why not just use one of them? I find that, speaking generally, getting a second opinion in life is never harmful. Your analogy is like getting two plumbers to look at a burst pipe, but instead of weighing both their opinions against each other, discrediting one of them in ignorant belief the other is automatically 'less wrong'. Surely it's wisest to take both tests, read into the subject in detail, and take everything into consideration? As I said before, no one, and I mean no one, is recommending you base your whole life on a single personality test taken as a teenager. Has anyone even claimed this is scientific? However: BTW, I heard somewhere that if you want to figure out what Myer Briggs personality type you're attracted to, you change the first and last letter to the opposite in your personality type. That really is rubbish. | Favourite Game Music | Last.fm | HYT Friend Chat Rules | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiChef Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 Pretty much spot on, a teacher was on the list and that's what I want to be (an English teacher). Which again fits in with me being verbal/linguistic. Funny, eh? Li Chef /m\_(-.-)_/m\"The sort of twee person who thinks swearing is any way a sign of lack of education or of a lack of verbal interest is just [bleep]ing lunacy" ~ Stephen Fry The Creativity Shack - A forum for Writers, Artists and Musicians Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omar Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 ^Not really. A lot of the questions don't leave much of a choice... Matt: You want that eh? You want everything good for you. You want everything that's--falls off garbage can Camera guy: Whoa, haha, are you okay dude? Matt: You want anything funny that happens, don't you? Camera guy: still laughing Matt: You want the funny shit that happens here and there, you think it comes out of your [bleep]ing [wagon] pushes garbage can down, don't you? You think it's funny? It comes out of here! running towards Camera guy Camera guy: runs away still laughing Matt: You think the funny comes out of your mother[bleep]ing creativity? Comes out of Satan, mother[bleep]er! nn--ngh! pushes Camera guy down Camera guy: Hoooholy [bleep]! Matt: FUNNY ISN'T REAL! FUNNY ISN'T REAL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tripsis Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 I love these :lol: INFP - The "Dreamer" Jungian Personality Types (Free Test) INFPs are introspective, private, creative and highly idealistic individuals that have a constant desire to be on a meaningful path. They are driven by their values and seek peace. Empathetic and compassionate, they want to help others and humanity as a whole. INFPs are imaginitive, artistic and often have a talent for language and writing. They can also be described as easygoing, selfless, guarded, adaptable, patient and loyal. - 99 fletching | 99 thieving | 99 construction | 99 herblore | 99 smithing | 99 woodcutting - - 99 runecrafting - 99 prayer - 125 combat - 95 farming - - Blog - DeviantART - Book Reviews & Blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil_mumm_ra Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 pretty definitive of an answer for personality type. oh, and for my full personality profile, these are some of the fictional characters listed. Fictional ISTJs (Characters) Angel Eyes - The Good, the Bad and the Ugly Bruce Wayne - Batman Begins Cliff Clavin - Cheers Dallas - Alien Darth Vader - Star Wars <---best ever. Eeyore - Winnie the Pooh Evelyn Cross Mulwray - Chinatown Frankie Dunn - Eastwood in Million Dollar Baby Fred Mertz - I Love Lucy [hide=WOO TEXT! updated Jan 19, 2009 (last quote)] And Evil you mad bastard. You are definately bringing TET back up to it's glory. No doubt about it. Keep it going champ.24,485th to 99 defence on 7-23-08I always forget you're 20 too. I always think you're 25 or something. o.oYa think that I'm insane, Its not sane... its not saneobligitory devart link: http://evil-mumm-ra.deviantart.com/Pogonophobia is the fear of beards.She isn't naked so it's legal.I'm a porn star.[/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sup3rpur Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 sounds like a myerrs briggs in that case I am an INFP Retired after 2 accounts and 8 years of scapin...2 accounts over 2,000 total...may my life rest in peaceBrawl Code:5327-0581-3706 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purfishx Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 Meh, interpersonal my [wagon]. Empathy my [wagon]. I couldn't care less about the feelings of others. . . Everything else is pretty much right. Sigs by: Soa | Gold_Tiger10 | Harrinator1 | Guthix121 | robo | Elmo | Thru | Yaff2 Avatars by: Lit0ua | Unoalexi | Gold Tiger . Hello friend, Senajitkaushik was epic, Good luck bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serpent Eye Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 Same personality as Beatrix Kiddo from Kill Bill, and Princess Leia -.- (Although The Bride is pretty pwnsome.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
folmer_veeman Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 I reckoned. I think I'll like the Multiple Intelligences Test more. I'll post the results for it, too. EDIT: Put them both on one. \ Yeah, this was obvious for me. They're all the same. You really need a personal experience to find out what a person's about. Nobody's actually the same - just similar. Whoop woop for extrovert, down with introvert :twisted: We seem to be kind of alike except for the multiple intelligences :D (well we do have the musical and interpersonal on the same place) This test was better than that other one they had on offtopic a while ago, with the narcissistic and such, the personality disorder test. But it still makes me wonder, I'm one of the few extravert people on tif, and one of the few with no personality disorders (according to the test :mrgreen: ) Weird ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assassin_696 Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 I've taken this a few times with school activities and I consistently get the INTP type. Given that it's typically quite a rare type I find it interesting how many there are on here (or INTJ), which I suppose goes to show how likeminded people tend to congregate, roughly. When I've taken it with friends three of us were INTP's and one was an INTJ. "Da mihi castitatem et continentam, sed noli modo" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moad14 Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 I was frightened by people who share my personality. Arnold Schwarzenegger Augustus Caesar Dr. Jonathan Crane (Scarecrow from Batman Begins) Hannibal Lecter (From Silence of the Lambs) Vito Corleone (Godfather) The scariest result of all was Katie Couric. :shock: I love to meet people; send me a pm if you see me on RuneScape! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquariusman Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 I was personally fairly surprised with these results, even though I retook the test, only to get nearly the exact same results. It's mroe the extroverted part. For the Multiple Intelligences, I was far fro surprised. I have taken quite a few of these, and always end up with the same. Musically inclined, physically inclined, logically/mathematically inclined. I always have considered myself a weird kid, my results almost contradict eachother. Musically inclined and Mathematically almost go hand in hand, but physically inclined goes against both of those I'd say. Also, my the fact that Intrapersonal is my lowest Intelligence contradicts me supposedly being extraverted. While I can agree with that, I think it could jsut be the fact that I lack confidence. I enjoy being social, but have always been socially awkward. It's weird. There's no such thing as regret. A regret means you are unhappy with the person you are now,and if you're unhappy with the person you are, you change yourself. Thatregret will no longer be a regret, because it will help to form the new,better you. So really, a regret isn't a regret. It's experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wisp Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 Time to go take the test again for no real reason EDIT: just retook it, same results, slightly different percentages. Hegemony-Spain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IGoddessI Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 Anyone can create a semi accurate personality test (nothing will ever be spot on). Just basically re-ask 20ish different questions rephrased a few times over that revolve around the most common personality traits. If you've ticked in 5 boxes that basically say "I'm shy", then hey, chances are quite likely you're a shy person. OMG test is right! How did it know! :P That being said, it's always fun to do ;) The only people who tell you that you can't do something are those who have already given up on their own dreams so feel the need to discourage yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dusqi Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 If you've ticked in 5 boxes that basically say "I'm shy", then hey, chances are quite likely you're a shy person. OMG test is right! How did it know! :P That's a misconception about personality tests. Proper tests are not meant to tell you things that you don't already know. If they do, then they're probably not a very good test (e.g. tests that ask you to pick colours). What a good test does is gives you a framework to describe yourself, so that with your results you can compare your self-description to how others describe themselves. By standardising the results in this way, it is also possible to see how far a certain personality predicts various outcomes. For example, anyone can say "I'm shy", but until you get them to answer a personality test, you can't find out whether they're "more shy" than someone else who also says "I'm shy". It's also difficult to find out the extent to which people who say "I'm shy" are also likely to become accountants rather than salespeople. For it is the greyness of dusk that reigns.The time when the living and the dead exist as one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IGoddessI Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 Well no, it's a quick run down on the conception of personality tests. You've just read too far in to what I'm saying and adding in extra things I haven't gone in to detail about. While it remains quite simple to create a test, it also remains quite simple to compare to others. Difference being, collect a larger data sample. It's also quite simple to then use it in jobs to figure out the extent of which personality is likely to work where and likely candidates. By the way your second paragraph just reinforces what Ginger has been trying to say. If you want to get in to political correctness, your short run down on personality test misconception, is a misconception too :( The only people who tell you that you can't do something are those who have already given up on their own dreams so feel the need to discourage yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furah Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 ...rather unemotional, does not like attention, more interested in intellectual pursuits... ISTPs have an adventuresome spirit. They are attracted to motorcycles, airplanes, sky diving, surfing, etc. They thrive on action, and are usually fearless. ISTPs are fiercely independent, needing to have the space to make their own decisions about their next step. They do not believe in or follow rules and regulations, as this would prohibit their ability to 'do their own thing'. ...their particular nature is most easily seen in their mastery of tools of any and all kinds... Sometimes Crafters will use their body as a tool. Wow, this is alot like me, almost like it was based off me :ohnoes: Steam | PM me for BBM PIN Nine naked men is a technological achievement. Quote of 2013. PCGamingWiki - Let's fix PC gaming! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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