Instead of changing GE prices they nerf the amount of cash back :wall: Sorry to hear that some people lost cash and it realy suprises me that they would act so quickly and not even give people a warning about it... #-o

 

 

 

Really? You're easily surprised then. If they give a warning, of course people would quickly sell their flatpacks and make the profit they wanted. Other people will try to "squeeze it in" before the fix.

 

 

 

The moment you saw the investment, and knew this was likely to change, you should've known the risk in buying materials / items.

 

 

 

Well they gave us a warning for SC which would have made alot of people angry if they didn't.I would expect atleast a 12 hour warning for the big change but when they annouced that they could have made him buy for what magic stones cost that way people wouldn't have lost alot. But I guess I am expecting too much from Jagex time to relower my standards! \

come on now people, really! if u knew about the "bug" then you probably knew it was to good to be true. if you read the forums then you would know everyone said it would be nerfed. those people who did that took a calculated risk that failed. they knew it would fail just not when. dont feel sorry. i personally think it was not wise to buy so much of an item that you knew you could loose a lot on. the "investors" that did this will live to "invest" another day. life goes on. relax. we knew what was going to happen.

that doesn't state the matter of an annoucement. It should have been announced and we should have been given a time frame to which we could sell our current flat packs. Thats fine if jagex wants to call it "bug abuse", however, all people were doing is utilizing something they knowingly placed in the game. I dont care if they miscalculated it. They needed to offer some leeway time to say "ok, this is what we are going to do, you have this amount of time to sell your items before it takes effect". Thats just good customer service. I was seriously considering quitting again this morning over this, but then reolized I'll eventually be able to sell them all, it just might take a couple of months.

 

You're admitting that you knew it was bug abuse, and you expected Jagex to give a nice, big announcement to all the abusers so they could rush to get their cash quickly. I'm happy Jagex did what they did. People need to stop taking advantage of Jagex's leniency. Stop acting like a victim when you, and most others, clearly knew what you were doing.

come on now people, really! if u knew about the "bug" then you probably knew it was to good to be true. if you read the forums then you would know everyone said it would be nerfed. those people who did that took a calculated risk that failed. they knew it would fail just not when. dont feel sorry. i personally think it was not wise to buy so much of an item that you knew you could loose a lot on. the "investors" that did this will live to "invest" another day. life goes on. relax. we knew what was going to happen.

that doesn't state the matter of an annoucement. It should have been announced and we should have been given a time frame to which we could sell our current flat packs. Thats fine if jagex wants to call it "bug abuse", however, all people were doing is utilizing something they knowingly placed in the game. I dont care if they miscalculated it. They needed to offer some leeway time to say "ok, this is what we are going to do, you have this amount of time to sell your items before it takes effect". Thats just good customer service. I was seriously considering quitting again this morning over this, but then reolized I'll eventually be able to sell them all, it just might take a couple of months.

 

You're admitting that you knew it was bug abuse, and you expected Jagex to give a nice, big announcement to all the abusers so they could rush to get their cash quickly. I'm happy Jagex did what they did. People need to stop taking advantage of Jagex's leniency. Stop acting like a victim when you, and most others, clearly knew what you were doing.

 

I totally agree. Everyone plays the victim and says that's what it said and that's what it was meant to do. Honestly, if you thought making 2M+ an hour was SUPPOSED to be added, especially with such an easy diary, you haven't been paying attention to Jagex. They ALWAYS take out "free money" methods. Also, if they made an announcement everyone would squeeze in as much as possible and people would still rant because they missed their chance at it. The only thing they can do now is either change a reward from it, do what they did with summoning shards and take the flatpacks while leaving cash, or do nothing at all and make them live with the fact they tried to beat the system.

come on now people, really! if u knew about the "bug" then you probably knew it was to good to be true. if you read the forums then you would know everyone said it would be nerfed. those people who did that took a calculated risk that failed. they knew it would fail just not when. dont feel sorry. i personally think it was not wise to buy so much of an item that you knew you could loose a lot on. the "investors" that did this will live to "invest" another day. life goes on. relax. we knew what was going to happen.

that doesn't state the matter of an annoucement. It should have been announced and we should have been given a time frame to which we could sell our current flat packs. Thats fine if jagex wants to call it "bug abuse", however, all people were doing is utilizing something they knowingly placed in the game. I dont care if they miscalculated it. They needed to offer some leeway time to say "ok, this is what we are going to do, you have this amount of time to sell your items before it takes effect". Thats just good customer service. I was seriously considering quitting again this morning over this, but then reolized I'll eventually be able to sell them all, it just might take a couple of months.

 

You're admitting that you knew it was bug abuse, and you expected Jagex to give a nice, big announcement to all the abusers so they could rush to get their cash quickly. I'm happy Jagex did what they did. People need to stop taking advantage of Jagex's leniency. Stop acting like a victim when you, and most others, clearly knew what you were doing.

What are you talking about?? I never said it was bug abuse because its not bug abuse, it was meant to be in the game exactly like it was! I put it in quotes for a reason. They can call it whatever the hell they want to call it but they still should allow leeway time for people using it since it WAS a legitimate feature they put into the game. All of you can laugh now but when it happens to you one day you wont be laughing. Plenty of legitimate players got screwed over by this that should NOT have been screwed over by this. Including myself.

I find it funny that people are complaining about this because they lost one of the easiest ways to make money and gain edge in the game. It's the same idea as people that buy the pvp items or the people that invested in d plates. Do your research before you make a move. There is a saying that says "There's never a free lunch." Hopefully after losing a few million you'll learn a valuable lesson.

This update was poorly planned by Jagex, end of story.

 

 

 

The only players I feel sorry for are the ones who invested everything they had in the hope to gain a few easy construction levels. All the players that profited in the 10's of millions got off so easy. Not only will they not lose any money since they can easily trade away what they were left with as junk, they have 10's if not 100's of millions to fall back on.

 

 

 

As its been stated on here before I think, bug abuse isn't simply breaking a rule anymore, its whenever you do something that Jagex thinks is wrong, IE using something in the non-intended way. This update would definitely qualify under that definition.

While construction is not meant to be profitable, this nerf is a total overkill. Let's sell what use is left for this feature.

 

 

 

Who would bother to make high level flatpacks if they only get back 10% of the GE price? I'm sure the answer is no one. It'd be much better if you can get back a set percentage of the material cost, like in the case of swapping pouches for spirit shards.

 

 

 

The lower level flatpacks would still make you lose money even at the max GE prices, and you have to sell them unnoted. This may let you get a little money back, but you will waste a lot of time selling them, so it doesn't really make training construction cheaper/easier.

 

 

 

So getting rid of those "junk" flatpacks from TT is the only use for it. Yea, it is so very rewarding to get a few thousands of gp without clogging up your GE slots, after you have completed a (supposedly) hard part of a (supposedly) high level achievement diary. (The difficulty of the diary is disappointing, but that's another topic for another thread)

I think its ironic the Tip It community these days would think this isn't [cabbage], for Jagex to put a feature in the game that was intended to be a reward. Than to remove it without notice, leaving veteran players in the dark making them lose millions.

 

 

 

The only argument that people who say that it's bug abuse have, is that jagex wouldn't have put a free money maker in the game, or that it was an easy reward. If you really think about it, its not easy to earn the millions of gp to afford a construction level of 90+ to fully access the money making potential the supposed bug made people.

 

 

 

In my opinion the people making the money deserved to make something back after spending all that money on the skill itself and the upstart fee that was required to even afford to buy all the magic stones.

 

 

 

All this isn't biased as I haven't even got the level required to try the method before it was nerfed, but I believe afew years ago if this had happened everyone here would have believed Jagex was truely wrong for nerfing this without notifying its paying customers before losing hours on hours of work after utilizing the reward they gave.

The issue here is that Jagex's QA team CLEARLY either doesn't communicate with developers, or doesn't actually play the game. If you don't have the sort of person who looks at an update from the eyes of a player with high level skills and asks "how could I benefit most from this update" on your QA team, then you have missed the entire point of a QA team. They need to challenge their QA to find the most effective way to make money and experience from new updates BEFORE they are released so that things like this don't slip through. Within minutes of hearing of the reward, I figured out that, hey, maybe high-priced flatpacks will make a profit! I checked and, yup, I was right! If a player like me who doesn't even have a high construction level can take a few minutes and find a "flaw" that slipped right past QA, something is WRONG.

 

 

 

And then Jagex has the audacity to call the people who used this method bug abusers. Yeah, assuming that the QA team isn't a bunch of mindless idiots, and thus that all of the glaringly obvious advantages from new updates are intended, is "bug abuse." Hey guys, the salt water pool in Oog'log gives infinite run energy! I would use it, but I'm afraid that it must not be working as intended, and QA just didn't think to try swimming in the salt water pool and then running. And, oops, at 82 Runecrafting I seem to be getting TWO astral runes per essence! Obviously not intentional, as QA didn't think about how two is a larger number than one.

I think the problem is simply poor testing and Jagex's faulty logic. Of COURSE players were supposed to know that something described, by Jagex themselves, as a reward for a hard achievement diary is OBVIOUSLY bug abuse and we should all be glad that those who use it simply lost millions upon millions and were not banned.

I think the problem is simply poor testing and Jagex's faulty logic. Of COURSE players were supposed to know that something described, by Jagex themselves, as a reward for a hard achievement diary is OBVIOUSLY bug abuse and we should all be glad that those who use it simply lost millions upon millions and were not banned.

 

 

 

Now how was it a bug? They intended it that way but it was their faulty GE prices and research into the subject that caused this. This wasn't a bug it was a mistake by the Quality Esurance team. It seems like they have rushed the last few updates and in doing so had to do more work fixing the things wrong then they would have if they tested it. I personally think they intended it to be this way because they were thinking about all the cheap flatpacks out there such as the TT ones and forgot about the ones noone buys or sells.

I'm hearing a lot of people saying this was "rushed," and that's how the oversight happened. That's just not the case; this wasn't a rush job, this was just being stupid. This is not following a thought to the logical conclusion. Just like we wouldn't say that an engineer going "Oh, I didn't realize that using a jet engine to propel an elevator to make it go faster would kill people" was a "rushed job," we shouldn't say "Oh, I didn't realize that when we let people sell flatpacks for the median GE price, that meant ALL the flatpacks" was anything other than gross negligence.

I'm hearing a lot of people saying this was "rushed," and that's how the oversight happened. That's just not the case; this wasn't a rush job, this was just being stupid. This is not following a thought to the logical conclusion. Just like we wouldn't say that an engineer going "Oh, I didn't realize that using a jet engine to propel an elevator to make it go faster would kill people" was a "rushed job," we shouldn't say "Oh, I didn't realize that when we let people sell flatpacks for the median GE price, that meant ALL the flatpacks" was anything other than gross negligence.

 

So true.I knew about the so called "BUG" within hours of the diary being released.All jAGeX "QA" staff had to do was just a bit more research into the GE Prices and had ghrim buy for a % of the cost to make the furniture similar to the way you can trade summoning pouches/scrolls for shards.

The number of reports we have received demonstrates the maturity of the community who have recognised something inconsistent with their knowledge of the game, and been responsible and helpful in reporting it.

 

Jealousy > maturity.

 

Overnerf.

 

My friend tells me that Ghrim only buys marble flatpacks for 10% of the Grand Exchange value now. They didn't have to completely remove the only profit ever to be made in this skill besides creating the materials (which doesn't even count because you get no XP in Construction while doing so).

 

 

 

They even could've just put some sort of limit on how many you could sell to him a day. The XP from building those flatpacks wouldn't be fast unless you already had hundreds of millions to spend. For those who aren't aware, Gold Leaves are 130k each, Marble Blocks 325k each, and Magic Stones 975k each. Each flatpack requires at least one of these, and for those requiring Gold Leaves you also needed 5 Mahogany Planks each.

 

Also, to even make the Magic Cape Racks, you would need 93-99 Construction already. If you were using the Crystal Saw and highest tea, you'd be further hindered.

 

 

 

So the most expensive skill in the game actually making a large profit at level 99? Nope.

The number of reports we have received demonstrates the maturity of the community who have recognised something inconsistent with their knowledge of the game, and been responsible and helpful in reporting it.

 

Jealousy > maturity.

 

Overnerf.

 

My friend tells me that Ghrim only buys marble flatpacks for 10% of the Grand Exchange value now. They didn't have to completely remove the only profit ever to be made in this skill besides creating the materials (which doesn't even count because you get no XP in Construction while doing so).

 

 

 

They even could've just put some sort of limit on how many you could sell to him a day. The XP from building those flatpacks wouldn't be fast unless you already had hundreds of millions to spend. For those who aren't aware, Gold Leaves are 130k each, Marble Blocks 325k each, and Magic Stones 975k each. Each flatpack requires at least one of these, and for those requiring Gold Leaves you also needed 5 Mahogany Planks each.

 

Also, to even make the Magic Cape Racks, you would need 93-99 Construction already. If you were using the Crystal Saw and highest tea, you'd be further hindered.

 

 

 

So the most expensive skill in the game actually making a large profit at level 99? Nope.

 

Exactly what I thought they could have just put a limit or something

I also think that the new change or nerf is a bit over the top. I mean cmon, 10% of the original price? Now that's gotta be worse than selling the materials back to the NPC...Whether or not the original update was rushed or not, I do not know. But it's pretty obvious that the nerf was rushed. Sure, it took them like 2 days? But the drop of 100% to 10% simply means that Jagex does not want people selling the high level flatpacks to Ghrim, and had to stop it immediately. I actually agree with people saying that they should've made a limit of how many you can sell a day. If they did that, then everybody who got screwed go get their money back after a couple of days or weeks or something. But now, we have dozens of players who have spent millions on the 90+ construction lever who all have millions of junk.

It is clear for me that this was a really easy avoidable mistake by Jagex. Every 3 year old with a calculator could see that it was really profitable. Why the QA team missed that i dont know but maybe they are focused to much on how it works and not about the economics of the update. First thing i always look for in an update is how can this benifit me? Not thats the only reason i play runescape but hey.. a man's gotta eat u know ;)

 

So my suggestion is that the QA team gets some help form people with economic talants. (Maybe they should just walk over to the marketing or sales department :lol: )

 

As for the people that lost money due to the grim update i think they should be compensated. But i have a feeling Jagex is not going to do that. This is something thats been going on for a while know that they mess up in some way and players are the fictum of it.

 

Maybe someone should stand up and take some legal actions against jagex and teach them some manners again. ( U say it that wont work, I say check the dutch ruling of a judge where stealing rs items is considered theft)

Though i do have 99 construction, i did not bother with either of these diaries and abusing this bug- anybody still playing a victim should already understand that it was simply too good to be true and that jagex has fixed bugs on the run for many occasions(latest tormanted demon safespot nerf). Overall, by acting this way the market just got more junk for easier trading(like granite) and that's all- doubt anyone made much more than 100m from it, but i do know of one person who lost that much.

 

 

 

On the more alarming side, jagex created a similar moneymaking method requiring expensive high level skills and money to hoard limited amount of money a day, and i doubt that would be nerfed.

 

Maybe someone should stand up and take some legal actions against jagex and teach them some manners again. ( U say it that wont work, I say check the dutch ruling of a judge where stealing rs items is considered theft)

 

Actually if my memory is O.K. they were sued for threatening the boy with a knife ... they couldn't sue them for the stolen possessions

I think the problem is simply poor testing and Jagex's faulty logic. Of COURSE players were supposed to know that something described, by Jagex themselves, as a reward for a hard achievement diary is OBVIOUSLY bug abuse and we should all be glad that those who use it simply lost millions upon millions and were not banned.

 

 

 

Now how was it a bug? They intended it that way but it was their faulty GE prices and research into the subject that caused this. This wasn't a bug it was a mistake by the Quality Esurance team. It seems like they have rushed the last few updates and in doing so had to do more work fixing the things wrong then they would have if they tested it. I personally think they intended it to be this way because they were thinking about all the cheap flatpacks out there such as the TT ones and forgot about the ones noone buys or sells.

 

Check your sarcasm detector again, I think it's broken.

I dont think that your memory was incorrect but i believe nobody explained this ruling in the right way and everyone started making their own conclusions on that thread.

 

But the judge was really clear about the fact that 'virtual goods' are to be considderd goods as mentioned in art. 310 sr

 

 

 

part of ruling (in Dutch):

 

Nu de virtuele amulet en het virtueel masker als bedoeld in de onderhavige zaak aan de hiervoor genoemde criteria voldoen, is de rechtbank van oordeel dat deze virtuele goederen onder het begrip 'goed' als bedoeld in artikel 310 van het Wetboek van Strafrecht vallen en toebehoorden aan aangever.

come on now people, really! if u knew about the "bug" then you probably knew it was to good to be true. if you read the forums then you would know everyone said it would be nerfed. those people who did that took a calculated risk that failed. they knew it would fail just not when. dont feel sorry. i personally think it was not wise to buy so much of an item that you knew you could loose a lot on. the "investors" that did this will live to "invest" another day. life goes on. relax. we knew what was going to happen.

that doesn't state the matter of an annoucement. It should have been announced and we should have been given a time frame to which we could sell our current flat packs. Thats fine if jagex wants to call it "bug abuse", however, all people were doing is utilizing something they knowingly placed in the game. I dont care if they miscalculated it. They needed to offer some leeway time to say "ok, this is what we are going to do, you have this amount of time to sell your items before it takes effect". Thats just good customer service. I was seriously considering quitting again this morning over this, but then reolized I'll eventually be able to sell them all, it just might take a couple of months.

 

 

 

you have a biased opinion because it happened to you, if you were trying to take advantage of something that was so outragous like this with the thought that it wasnt bug abuse and you didnt have something like dragon claws as backup to sell the flatpacks incase they became junk then you seriously dont know what your doing on runescape and i suggest you dont blame rs for your own actions, if they gave a timelimit then there would be no flatpacks on the ge and people would be making them and it would be a hell of alot worse and then when they DID get nerfed there would be so much of them to use as junk, all to satisfy you selling your 41 racks.

 

 

 

come on now people, really! if u knew about the "bug" then you probably knew it was to good to be true. if you read the forums then you would know everyone said it would be nerfed. those people who did that took a calculated risk that failed. they knew it would fail just not when. dont feel sorry. i personally think it was not wise to buy so much of an item that you knew you could loose a lot on. the "investors" that did this will live to "invest" another day. life goes on. relax. we knew what was going to happen.

that doesn't state the matter of an annoucement. It should have been announced and we should have been given a time frame to which we could sell our current flat packs. Thats fine if jagex wants to call it "bug abuse", however, all people were doing is utilizing something they knowingly placed in the game. I dont care if they miscalculated it. They needed to offer some leeway time to say "ok, this is what we are going to do, you have this amount of time to sell your items before it takes effect". Thats just good customer service. I was seriously considering quitting again this morning over this, but then reolized I'll eventually be able to sell them all, it just might take a couple of months.

 

You're admitting that you knew it was bug abuse, and you expected Jagex to give a nice, big announcement to all the abusers so they could rush to get their cash quickly. I'm happy Jagex did what they did. People need to stop taking advantage of Jagex's leniency. Stop acting like a victim when you, and most others, clearly knew what you were doing.

What are you talking about?? I never said it was bug abuse because its not bug abuse, it was meant to be in the game exactly like it was! I put it in quotes for a reason. They can call it whatever the hell they want to call it but they still should allow leeway time for people using it since it WAS a legitimate feature they put into the game. All of you can laugh now but when it happens to you one day you wont be laughing. Plenty of legitimate players got screwed over by this that should NOT have been screwed over by this. Including myself.

 

 

 

legitamit? 600k a load is pretty fair i suppose, when only a few hundred people knew about it then revealed to everyone at the last second to get it removed, why didnt you post on the forum telling everyone about this so they could get an equal share, knowing that jagex WOULDNT remove it because that would be immoral, but you didnt because you knew it would be removed soon and you had to act quickly so you bought 41 of them, they got removed on you and now your acting the opposite to get people to feel sorry for you.

At first, I thought that it was a huge error on Jagex's part to "nerf" this, but let's consider this: Was Construction ever destined to make money?

At first, I thought that it was a huge error on Jagex's part to "nerf" this, but let's consider this: Was Construction ever destined to make money?

 

Well, I mean... if they blatantly put a method to make money with Construction into the game, then I can see it being reasonable to assume so.

At first, I thought that it was a huge error on Jagex's part to "nerf" this, but let's consider this: Was Construction ever destined to make money?

 

Well, I mean... if they blatantly put a method to make money with Construction into the game, then I can see it being reasonable to assume so.

 

 

 

It was probably meant to pay you back a bit if you made and kept flatpacks.