According to several posts on the RSOF, it seems that people are getting full price for the first three loads, then 1/10th the price from then on. I do not have the boots and honestly do not really want the boots as they offer nothing to me but I am posting to help figure this out.

 

 

 

It seems that it is three trades though not necessarily three trades of 28. Maybe it is just three trades altogether per day. Maybe you can sell him a maximium of 84 flatpacks a day sort of like how the staves in Varrock works.

According to several posts on the RSOF, it seems that people are getting full price for the first three loads, then 1/10th the price from then on. I do not have the boots and honestly do not really want the boots as they offer nothing to me but I am posting to help figure this out.

 

 

 

It seems that it is three trades though not necessarily three trades of 28. Maybe it is just three trades altogether per day. Maybe you can sell him a maximium of 84 flatpacks a day sort of like how the staves in Varrock works.

 

 

 

 

 

I got 1/10th of the price for my first ever trade. So no.

Miscellania Flatpack Update

 

Mod Jon H Jagex Mod

 

12-Dec-2008 17:03:39

 

Last edited on 12-Dec-2008 17:03:51 by Mod Jon H

 

 

 

Hi everyone,

 

 

 

The following post is from the Content Development team and concerns the recent construction update.

 

 

 

 

 

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The rewards for the Fremennik Achievement Diary included the ability to sell flatpacks as an investment in the coffers of Miscellania Island. The difference between the cost of materials for making a Magical cape rack and the value of the item itself on the Grand Exchange meant that there was a more substantial profit than originally intended available to players who have high construction levels. We apologise for this not being sound on release.

 

 

 

Today we made a change, lowering the Miscellania value of that cape rack to fix the problem. In addition, we are making similar changes to the other flat-pack values to ensure that they can not be in a similar situation if their price on the Grand Exchange changes in the future.

 

 

 

We believe this will leave the ability being more what we had in mind- somewhere you can sell the flatpacks you make where there is a constant demand to absorb them. The values for the items will not be high, as the large supply of flatpacks produced means these items have low value in the game. However, this ensures a constantly available return of some of money invested in the skill, should you choose this strategy.

 

 

 

We would encourage players to be cautious about any new content which appears particularly good in terms of experience or financial benefit. It is safer to report a possible problem using the bug report form than to expose yourself to possible financial loss as some players have claimed they experienced today, or to possible penalties for bug abuse. The number of reports we have received demonstrates the maturity of the community who have recognised something inconsistent with their knowledge of the game, and been responsible and helpful in reporting it. Many thanks for your help.

 

 

 

Our priorities today were to fix the problem and avoid it being abused further. To this end we had a fix live as soon as possible after investigating the reports, and avoided alerting players to content we were not happy with and felt could be abused. You may be reassured that currently we have no intention to take any action in the game against players who might have used this content.

 

 

 

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Thank you.

 

 

 

RuneScape Player Support

 

 

 

Ouch. lol @ teh nerf

Lmao this update was awesome, made 70m yesterday without doin much work.. Cape racks are now selling for 1/10 of the price I just checked.

 

 

 

The debate on RSOF pretty much now is that people want Jagex to apologise for an update that they had released and then updated without a warning etc.. Personally I think they should've been some warning seeing as Jagex were completely at fault for overlooking this method but they are just calling it Bug Abuse (Btw i made my flatpacks and sold before update, I'm not biased)

More like slap in the face to those that took advantage of what was described as a reward. Essentially the level 3 boots are useless. But more importantly this is not a bug. It was programed that way and for all intents and purposes was in my opinion to be looked as a reward. It had no seemingly offense to the game and even if it is not consistant with other gameplay I fear they may have upset alot of higher level players.

 

 

 

Man it did not affect me in the least but I feel badly for those that were trying to take advantage of a reward...

 

 

 

 

 

And seriously what is the reward of the level 3 boots?

Oh wow! How generous of jagex! They made me lose 2m within minutes, and they dont even ban me for it! Yay! gotta love that attitude.

Glad to see some of the idiots that abused this lose their shirt on it the next day.

 

I would really like to see jagex ban everybody who abused to it and admitted on the official forums and here since they seem to peruse this forum too. (hint: cryptic tipit staff names of gnome tour's pest control players).

 

But, jagex obviously isn't capable of that.

 

They aren't capable of much these days now...

Glad to see some of the idiots that abused this lose their shirt on it the next day.

 

I would really like to see jagex ban everybody who abused to it and admitted on the official forums and here since they seem to peruse this forum too. (hint: cryptic tipit staff names of gnome tour's pest control players).

 

But, jagex obviously isn't capable of that.

 

They aren't capable of much these days now...

 

 

 

Yes lets ban everybody who followed the rewards Jagex stated word by word :roll: People cant be banned just because Jagex couldnt be arsed to look at all of the prices for 80 or so flatpacks

Just FYI, Jagex's new definition, as confirmed by various forum mods and Jagex mods is:

 

 

 

"If we don't like it, it's bug abuse."

 

 

 

There was a long thread on RSOF asking for clarification of the rule, since so many rulings tend to violate the letter of the rule.

 

 

 

If you read "bug" as a software term, then there haven't been many bugs in RS recently. Probably not any publicized bugs since the infamous Construction PvP bug (where a certain player went PKing in Falador). If you take "bug" to mean anything Jagex does not intend, then at least half of our game today is, or was, bug abuse.

 

 

 

After numerous people tried, and failed, to explain, the simplest conclusion is the one posted above. As one of the mods generously conceded, it's a "catch-all". Basically if they don't like what you're doing, and it doesn't fall under anything else, it's bug abuse.

I am truly at a loss of words.

 

 

 

Firstly, I don't have the Construction level that was needed in order to do this. However, I do have the monetary funds needed to do this on a mass scale, and if I did have the Construction level, I would have likely been caught in the middle of performing this profitable task. This would have resulted in me losing over 300 million gp, but enough of the hypothetical situations.

 

 

 

Construction is an expensive skill. People who have high level Construction usually know how to make lots of money, and would also have been using their money using this technique to rake in profits. It is not unlikely that quite a few people are out of millions of gp because of a "bug" Jagex did not initially see.

 

 

 

Here's the problem: Jagex just screwed people out of their gp. And yes, it's their fault, there's no two ways of looking at this. There are more benefits to leaving it how it was, than to "fixing" it like they did.

 

 

 

God forbid people made profit after spending 80 million gp to level up their Construction level.

 

 

 

God forbid people broke even with selling flatpacks that they made after spending 80 million gp to level up their Construction level.

 

 

 

I am honestly disappointed in Jagex. The most I have ever been. And just for the record, I usually side with them. But not this time.

lol @ people complaining because they can't make a ton of money on Construction.

 

 

 

Construction was supposed to be a money sink-- Jagex stated as much when it was released. Everyone and their mothers knew this was going to get nerfed, so why is everyone wanting to complain now that it has been?

lol @ people complaining because they can't make a ton of money on Construction.

 

 

 

Construction was supposed to be a money sink-- Jagex stated as much when it was released. Everyone and their mothers knew this was going to get nerfed, so why is everyone wanting to complain now that it has been?

 

 

 

I don't think they're complaining about not being able to make the money. I think they're complaining that a bunch of people MADE a ton of money, then bragged about it, then before they could enjoy it too it got changed.

 

 

 

I personally think it's their own doing anyways, and I still "lol @ people complaining" because they made a dumb move. I knew from the moment this update was made this would be changed so I didn't bother. Was I giving up 5-10M profit? Yes. But at the same time, I also gave up the risk of losing that much, or more.

On RSOF they stated that it was a bug. It has been fixed, yet everyone who used it is still a few million richer for barely any work. Of course you need 99 construction, but it was rather unfair. I don't get how Jagex overlooked how profitable this could be. Probably the biggest "bug" that they've missed.

I get the feeling Jagex did this on purpose

They were probably testing us. If you can get millions at an alarmingly fast rate, it can't be good. Remember how they said in the FAQ for Stealing Creation, they used an example, "'Oh, I can get one million xp/gp/points really easy,' then it must be a bug." They might have been testing us. Not like you'll get banned, but some people got screwed out of millions.

I get the feeling Jagex did this on purpose

 

 

 

Nah. Look at the update trends since they changed the updating schedule. Stealing Creation. While Guthix Sleeps assisting issue. Fally diaries with making pyre ships and runecrafting assistance. Mobilizing Armies pushed back. Etc etc. The quality of testing has been very poor as of late. I have a strong, strong feeling it's because of these back to back updates.

 

 

 

Personally, I'm shocked that this is the first time the whole "We don't like it = bug abuse" thing has been realized. Almost every single "nerf" Jagex has performed in Runescape's lifetime has been EXACTLY like this. This just might be the first time people have lost so much money...I guess that's why it's so significant.

 

 

 

I also find it hilarious that several players are posting in the Recent Updates boards going, "Oops, I got to 92 runecrafting and made loads of money! Must've been a glitch. Don't ban me!" just to stir up trouble.

 

 

 

Honestly, if you lost a small amount of money (few mils), I feel bad for you. But at least you have the comfort of laughing at the people who foolishly hoarded magic stones. Really now, if they had that kind of money to just throw around, they're not going to be THAT affected by the loss.

This has little to do with money lost and everything to do with the way Jagex has treated it's members lately. This was just another straw tossed on the camel's back. Jagex designs an update for its game, releases it and players use it as it was intended. Then Jagex removes the benefit WITHOUT notifying anyone about anything. It was a reward that Jagex intended to be used as it was being used. It is not the gamer's fault that Jagex refuses to test anything (or at least it seems).

 

 

 

Hell I would take a pay cut and work as a beta tester for Jagex. I am incrediably resourceful and could have come up with this porblem in hours or learning what it could do.

 

 

 

Anyway, players used the reward as described by jagex and then suffer the consequences of Jagex not thinking things through. Many players did lose lots of money but not because they were cheating. It was because Jagex very underhandedly changed something without allow players to at least get their money back. This also effectively removed the 'reward' of the level 3 Fremmy boots.

 

 

 

The biggest problem comes up when one realizes that this is not the first time that Jagex has changed rewards and gameplay due to players being more intuiative that Jagex. Jagex really needs to take responsiblity for their mistakes and develop a REAL QA team to test potential flaws in the planned updates.

I've been watching this thread with interest today.

 

 

 

I have both the lvl 3 fremmy boots and 99 con.

 

 

 

Last night I was playing some online Left4Dead instead of my usual RS.

 

As I logged in late to update GE offers I was told by friends on IRC about this "bug".

 

 

 

As they were unable to test it, I did some running and made 5 magic cape racks to start with. Sure enough made about 25k each on them. After that I went and did two runs of 25 just to make a bit of $ before I went to bed.

 

 

 

I was sure that they were going to nerf it quick seeing as it was very good money and very good con xp.

 

 

 

If this wasn't fixed before the weekend it would've been used (abused) by as many as possible, so it's probably good that they took care of it before then.

I get the feeling Jagex did this on purpose

 

 

 

Honestly, if you lost a small amount of money (few mils), I feel bad for you. But at least you have the comfort of laughing at the people who foolishly hoarded magic stones. Really now, if they had that kind of money to just throw around, they're not going to be THAT affected by the loss.

 

 

 

The annoying thing about this was that you needed to invest ALOT to make it worthwhile, if you were just buying cape racks for low then selling for med at ghrim. Then you'd need to spend at least 28M per load to make cash. And due to people not understanding just how likely this was to get fixed, some might have invested all their cash into it, just to be able to get more quicker. And you only get back 10% of your investment, especially since cape racks will never ever sell again, because so many have been made to exploit this, while there will be no demand at all.

 

So well yeh, people whove had 100m+ and were a bit stupid (its easy to judge after the events), might have lost everything they had. That is very very harsh, especially considering they were never warned for it, and instead of getting apologies by jagex for just basicly throwing all their hard earned cash down they drain. They were told of how good jagex is because they won't ban the "abusers".

 

 

 

Thats just evil, and noone deserves that, no matter how stupid you are. It was afterall a thing released by jagex, and selling things for ge med price doesnt sound that overpowered or buggy to me. How is your average joe supposed to understand that a thing released by jagex is going to take away all their cash, without warning, without him realising that hes done something wrong.

Now the peopel who spent mils on contruction get some money back if they finish this \ wish I had high construction

Currently I am stuck with 41 cape racks. Slowely but surely they will sell and I'll be back to were i was, but currently I'm out all of my $ and the savings I had put towards 99 Herblore. I learned the lesson never to invest in RS again and the life lesson of "if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is". Luckily I'm an optimist but I've never been so frustrated with Jagex in my entire career.

come on now people, really! if u knew about the "bug" then you probably knew it was to good to be true. if you read the forums then you would know everyone said it would be nerfed. those people who did that took a calculated risk that failed. they knew it would fail just not when. dont feel sorry. i personally think it was not wise to buy so much of an item that you knew you could loose a lot on. the "investors" that did this will live to "invest" another day. life goes on. relax. we knew what was going to happen.

come on now people, really! if u knew about the "bug" then you probably knew it was to good to be true. if you read the forums then you would know everyone said it would be nerfed. those people who did that took a calculated risk that failed. they knew it would fail just not when. dont feel sorry. i personally think it was not wise to buy so much of an item that you knew you could loose a lot on. the "investors" that did this will live to "invest" another day. life goes on. relax. we knew what was going to happen.

that doesn't state the matter of an annoucement. It should have been announced and we should have been given a time frame to which we could sell our current flat packs. Thats fine if jagex wants to call it "bug abuse", however, all people were doing is utilizing something they knowingly placed in the game. I dont care if they miscalculated it. They needed to offer some leeway time to say "ok, this is what we are going to do, you have this amount of time to sell your items before it takes effect". Thats just good customer service. I was seriously considering quitting again this morning over this, but then reolized I'll eventually be able to sell them all, it just might take a couple of months.

Instead of changing GE prices they nerf the amount of cash back :wall: Sorry to hear that some people lost cash and it realy suprises me that they would act so quickly and not even give people a warning about it... #-o

Instead of changing GE prices they nerf the amount of cash back :wall: Sorry to hear that some people lost cash and it realy suprises me that they would act so quickly and not even give people a warning about it... #-o

 

 

 

Really? You're easily surprised then. If they give a warning, of course people would quickly sell their flatpacks and make the profit they wanted. Other people will try to "squeeze it in" before the fix.

 

 

 

The moment you saw the investment, and knew this was likely to change, you should've known the risk in buying materials / items.