OutwarDragon Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Ok first off anyone who doesn't want to see spoilers leave now >_> Now that that is out of the way I have a simple question. What creatures do you think are native to Gielinor? As we know Goblins were brought to it by Bandos to conquer and spread his message of power. Humans were brought by Guthix because he saw the potential they could have on the world. It seems Vampyres might be some sort of corrupted human or Mahjarrat (ok sort of a guess). But really there are not many species that have any significance in the world that are native. We have no idea about Elves as they talk of their "homeland" a few times. Gnomes seem to have some secrets but they live for so darn long... The Dragonkin we know were seemingly created to watch over the lands for Jas which makes them at this point from Gielinor. We learn from Evil Dave that Hell anything comes from somewhere else which logically says demons come from there as well. So what really besides the unknown that were wiped out are really native to the lands? Who possibly survived by falling into subservience of the Kin and dodged the God Wars? The only agreed is TzHaar are from Gielinor because they were born from the volcano. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slayer_Jesse Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 ive seen compelling evedence that vampyres are corrupted icynes. and as for the elves, i think that seren brought them here from another plain. [hide=Siggy credits]The Awesome, Epic, Amazing, S3xah A-10 Sig By Unolexi! I wub u Uno!InsanityV2 Did the Franz Ferdinand Sig.Killerwatt is responsible for the Arctic Monkeys sig.Pat_61 did the B-2 sig and the raptor sig.[/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
War_Junky_91 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Well judging from the Meeting History quest, nothing is. Guthix made Gielinor and everything else came in from different planes of existance, everything except plant life that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutwarDragon Posted January 30, 2009 Author Share Posted January 30, 2009 Well judging from the Meeting History quest, nothing is. Guthix made Gielinor and everything else came in from different planes of existance, everything except plant life that is. That really is debunked by WGS though as the history of the Stone shows us there were gods in the realm and Guthix found Gielinor and sort of took pity on it. ive seen compelling evedence that vampyres are corrupted icynes. and as for the elves, i think that seren brought them here from another plain. See I was wondering that too. My friend had brought up that they look very much alike. Possibly Zammy/Zaros' response to Sara bringing/creating them was to take some or create their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
War_Junky_91 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Well judging from the Meeting History quest, nothing is. Guthix made Gielinor and everything else came in from different planes of existance, everything except plant life that is. That really is debunked by WGS though as the history of the Stone shows us there were gods in the realm and Guthix found Gielinor and sort of took pity on it. How was that disproven in WGS? I don't remember it being disproven a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diib Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 I have contemplated sending an e-mail to the Postbag from the Hedge to ask exactely that question : which lifeforms are native to gielinor? When thinking about it, I came up with the following list Probably not native - humans : extraplanar origin, brought by Guthix - elves : extraplanar origin, brought by Seren - monkeys and apes : There is in-game evidence (examine text) that suggests they are related to humans, thus they probably come from the human home-plane as well. - gnomes : In the monkey madness quest , the gnome mage says gnomes are related to monkeys as well. Hence, the gnomes probably come from the same plane as the humans. - Mahjarrat : they come from freneskrae, brought by one of the desert gods. - goblins : brought by Bandos from ju-biusk. - dogs and wolves : Since the first human settlers brought a dog with them, it is reasonable to assume dogs and wolves came with the humans from the human home plane. - vampyres, vyrewatch : corrupted humans and possibly corrupted icyenes - werewolves : probably connected to wolves and dogs Unknown - demons : origin unknown, might be imported by Zamorak, or might be native - ogres : origin unknown, might be native, might be imported by Bandos Probably native - skavid : origin unknown, may be native. No known god has an interest in bringing these to Gielinor. - star sprites : probably native, as the sprites themselves admit that on most planes stars are flaming balls of gas, while on gielinor stars are stones powered by star-sprite magic. "Noob" is an insult. "Noob" is overused. Be polite. Try to say "noob" less than once a day.Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seraphi Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Dragonkin are native to gielinor I think? also, demons were summoned by necromantic/dark magical means, they were not here to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
War_Junky_91 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Dragonkin are native to gielinor I think? also, demons were summoned by necromantic/dark magical means, they were not her to begin with. In his notes Marvio speculates that Dragonkin where brought to Gilenor during the godwars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
999134 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 probably all the animals, chins squirrels crocodiles and birds etc lol i wonder who brought the sandwich lady and molly...... :? :thumbdown: Check it out, huge amount of effort has gone into this massive mod![hide=old sig][/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
War_Junky_91 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 probably all the animals, chins squirrels crocodiles and birds etc lol i wonder who brought the sandwich lady and molly...... :? :thumbdown: You know it was Zammy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byzantus Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 I have contemplated sending an e-mail to the Postbag from the Hedge to ask exactely that question : which lifeforms are native to gielinor? When thinking about it, I came up with the following list - ogres : origin unknown, might be native, might be imported by Bandos Weren't ogres imported by Bandos together with goblins, orks etc? Anyway, i remember reading somewhere that Bandos (near the end of the God Wars) led them to the Feldip region, they wiped out the locals, and settled there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yomyth105 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 just a thought... dwarves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seraphi Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Dragonkin are native to gielinor I think? also, demons were summoned by necromantic/dark magical means, they were not her to begin with. In his notes Marvio speculates that Dragonkin where brought to Gilenor during the godwars. mmm....well I havn't done the quest, so meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaaps1 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Probably native - skavid : origin unknown, may be native. No known god has an interest in bringing these to Gielinor. - star sprites : probably native, as the sprites themselves admit that on most planes stars are flaming balls of gas, while on gielinor stars are stones powered by star-sprite magic. Star Spirits ARE but also ARE NOT of Gielinor. Proof (Release News) As RuneScape enters a new area of its particular universe, it also enters a belt of these 'stars', which are actually home to the star sprites. They don't enjoy being knocked out of the sky by roving planets, though, and will handsomely reward anyone who can free them from their damaged home so they can find a new one and get back up into the great beyond. The first underlining proves that RuneScape is similar to a planet revolving around a sun. There is also an Asteriod Belt-or in this case a Star Belt-also revolving around the sun. The planet of RuneScape just happens to have its orbit overlap with the Star Belt's and that's why there are Shooting Stars. That proves they are in the same plane as RuneScape right? But does that mean they are from Gielinor? No. This is because Gielinor is only the land of RuneScape itself, not any Star Belts or other planets in the same "Solar System" as it is. Therefore Star Sprites are from the SAME PLANE as Gielinor, but from ACTUALLY FROM Gielinor. However this quote also reveals that there are more planets in the realm RuneScape is in. So perhaps during the God Wars, some Gods did not need to bring over beasts from different planes, but could simply fly them over from a different planet into RuneScape? ~It's Super Effective! (The Zaaps Blog)~My YouTube Channel, where you get to watch me go around and make a fool out of myself and all comp capersGuides:~Yeah I wrote them once~Suggestions:~Yeah I made those once~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demonsbane37 Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 aint tzhaars native? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will H Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 aint tzhaars native? You might be right. Aren't the TzHaar intelligent beings born from the volcano, like the rest of the volcano inhabitants are (Tz-Kih, Yt-MejKot, TzTok-Jad etc.)? However, they could still be creatures which just form their own bodies from their surroundings, brought from somewhere else. We just don't know know enough to be certain that anything in Gielinor was originally from Gielinor. I suspect that nothing living is. ~ W ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutwarDragon Posted January 30, 2009 Author Share Posted January 30, 2009 So far it seems everyone agrees the "lesser" animals might have been here when it all started or could have traveled with humans. We all also agree that Zammy or Zaros brought the Mime, Sandwich lady, MoM, and Molly. To the question how? It might not have been WGS but I remember from some history or another that Guthix FOUND the lands of Gielinor not created them. He nourished them back when the Kin were destroying things. It seems so far the TzHaar are the only thing that are native to Gielinor with little objection. The Dwarves are also a strong possibility as they pop up in different tribes all throughout the histories. As for the Dragon Kin if we see them as created by Jas to guard the stone then they could be considered native and it seems to lean that way for me. Going from that f the DragonKin created the Dragons then technically Dragons are native. Anyway thanks for going this far guys Lets keep it up! :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimy_Bunyip Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 isnt it mentioned somewhere that gielinor MIGHT have been created by the elder dragons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimberly Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 To the question how? It might not have been WGS but I remember from some history or another that Guthix FOUND the lands of Gielinor not created them. In meeting history, didn't the humans enter Gielinor via a portal--presumably opened by Guthix? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pulli23 Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 I believe only the dragonkin are left from the civilization that lived before guthix found the plane: so you could say they are native to gielnor... (though the elves are also on gielnor before the human arive). First they came to fishingand I didn't speak out because I wasn't fishing Then they came to the yewsand I didn't speak out because I didn't cut yews Then they came for the oresand I didn't speak out because I didn't collect ores Then they came for meand there was no one left to speak out for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maulmachine Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 I believe only the dragonkin are left from the civilization that lived before guthix found the plane: so you could say they are native to gielnor... (though the elves are also on gielnor before the human arive). Dragon weapons are from frenskrae is it a big leap to say that either the dragonkin are from there or can travel between planes? Corporeal Drops:2xHoly elixersBandos Drops: Bcp(soloed) 5x hilts 8x tassets Armadyl Drops:Armadyl Hilt(trio)Zamorak Drops: 2xZamorakian spear 3x Steam battlestaff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACCOUNTKIL-ASDFAF12312FAF1 Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 I believe that the world of Gielinor was made by the true owner of The Stone of Jas I think it was Jas but I don't know :? ) and Guthix just found the world of Gielinor and started changing it to his liking. Remember this is just my speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quyneax Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 I believe only the dragonkin are left from the civilization that lived before guthix found the plane: so you could say they are native to gielnor... (though the elves are also on gielnor before the human arive). Dragon weapons are from frenskrae is it a big leap to say that either the dragonkin are from there or can travel between planes? How about reading http://forum.tip.it/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=770272? I think this topic shows that dragon weapons are not from Frenskrae. I believe that the world of Gielinor was made by the true owner of The Stone of Jas I think it was Jas but I don't know ) and Guthix just found the world of Gielinor and started changing it to his liking. Remember this is just my speculation. Perhaps Jas is like Guthix, and actually found the stone on an empty plane? For all we know, there is an infinite cycle of elder gods out there... Supporter of Zaros | Quest Cape owner since 22 may 2010 | No skills below 99 | Total level 2595 | Completionist Cape owner since 17th June 2013 | Suggestions 99 summoning (18th June 2011, previously untrimmed) | 99 farming (14th July 2011) | 99 prayer (8th September 2011) | 99 constitution (10th September 2011) | 99 dungeoneering (15th November 2011) 99 ranged (28th November 2011) | 99 attack, 99 defence, 99 strength (11th December 2011) | 99 slayer (18th December 2011) | 99 magic (22nd December 2011) | 99 construction (16th March 2012) 99 herblore (22nd March 2012) | 99 firemaking (26th March 2012) | 99 cooking (2nd July 2012) | 99 runecrafting (12th March 2012) | 99 crafting (26th August 2012) | 99 agility (19th November 2012) 99 woodcutting (22nd November 2012) | 99 fletching (31st December 2012) | 99 thieving (3rd January 2013) | 99 hunter (11th January 2013) | 99 mining (21st January 2013) | 99 fishing (21st January 2013) 99 smithing (21st January 2013) | 120 dungeoneering (17th June 2013) | 99 divination (24th November 2013) Tormented demon drops: twenty effigies, nine pairs of claws, two dragon armour slices and one elite clue | Dagannoth king drops: two dragon hatchets, two elite clues, one archer ring and one warrior ring Glacor drops: four pairs of ragefire boots, one pair of steadfast boots, six effigies, two hundred lots of Armadyl shards, three elite clues | Nex split: Torva boots | Kalphite King split: off-hand drygore mace 30/30 Shattered Heart statues completed | 16/16 Court Cases completed | 25/25 Choc Chimp Ices delivered | 500/500 Vyrewatch burned | 584/584 tasks completed | 4000/4000 chompies hunted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maulmachine Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 I believe only the dragonkin are left from the civilization that lived before guthix found the plane: so you could say they are native to gielnor... (though the elves are also on gielnor before the human arive). Dragon weapons are from frenskrae is it a big leap to say that either the dragonkin are from there or can travel between planes? How about reading http://forum.tip.it/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=770272? I think this topic shows that dragon weapons are not from Frenskrae. I believe that the world of Gielinor was made by the true owner of The Stone of Jas I think it was Jas but I don't know ) and Guthix just found the world of Gielinor and started changing it to his liking. Remember this is just my speculation. Perhaps Jas is like Guthix, and actually found the stone on an empty plane? For all we know, there is an infinite cycle of elder gods out there... read it yourself, its just his theory. WE know that JaGex has told us where dragon weapons are from, until they say something to the contrary that isn't cryptic I wont believe it. Corporeal Drops:2xHoly elixersBandos Drops: Bcp(soloed) 5x hilts 8x tassets Armadyl Drops:Armadyl Hilt(trio)Zamorak Drops: 2xZamorakian spear 3x Steam battlestaff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demonsbane37 Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 I believe only the dragonkin are left from the civilization that lived before guthix found the plane: so you could say they are native to gielnor... (though the elves are also on gielnor before the human arive). Dragon weapons are from frenskrae is it a big leap to say that either the dragonkin are from there or can travel between planes? How about reading http://forum.tip.it/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=770272? I think this topic shows that dragon weapons are not from Frenskrae. I believe that the world of Gielinor was made by the true owner of The Stone of Jas I think it was Jas but I don't know ) and Guthix just found the world of Gielinor and started changing it to his liking. Remember this is just my speculation. Perhaps Jas is like Guthix, and actually found the stone on an empty plane? For all we know, there is an infinite cycle of elder gods out there... possibly, or maybe the elder gods are realy the first beings on geilinor and there is no headache inducing cycle into it :lol: or perhaps zezima was the first being and thats how he had enough time to level his skills so massivly 8-) great theory no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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