Year in Review

[udontnojak55]

It has been just over a year since the updates of early 2008 where Jagex introduced us to the *Grand Exchange, trade limitations, and the removing of the wilderness. Over the year we have had a "like" wilderness reintroduced in PvP worlds. Likewise, we have also had the trade limit increased. Finally, the Grand Exchange has made life a little bit easier for all of us when it comes to buying items.

 

Since we have had a year to look back at the previous, do you think the updates were worth it? Or a complete mess up by Jagex?

 

 

 

*actually introduced in late 2007, became even more widely used after trade limitations*

[fireside8]

what do you mean removal of wilderness?

 

 

 

I just came back to RS, but it's been two years.

 

 

 

Do you mean on normal F2P severs you can't go in wildy?

 

 

 

What about P2P?

[udontnojak55]

Let me clarify: by removal of wilderness i mean where pking used to take place. the wilderness does still exist, and is axcessible, but without the dangers of pkers. This is the reason Jagex added Revenants to the wildy. To take the place of pkers and add danger to entering there.

[Dragonlordjl]

They mostly fixed it. However, the GE is still far too restrictive, especially since Jagex creates completely arbitrary starting prices for new items they make.

 

 

 

For really rare items like Sigils and Third Age, they need to make the prices rapidly update, like D claws. They also need to remove a lot of the silly price floors on items like gold bars and fire runes.

 

 

 

Oh, and it'd do most people a lot of good if Jagex banned the leaders of the most well-known merchant cartels (Chessy, A C I D Y, etc) and closed their Clan Chats. It's a pyramid scheme, with a few select people benefitting immensely while the vast majority of players suffers through wild price swings and not being able to buy items even if they have the money. Part of this is fixing the GE, but Jagex also needs to crack down on price manipulators like the aforementioned people and their "cartels."

[fireside8]

holy moly, forgive my ignorance,

 

 

 

BUT

 

 

 

are you saying that the wildy is safe from pkers as long as you can fend off revantents,

 

UNLESS you're on a pvp server?

 

meaning the wildy ain't what it used to be? DANG

 

 

 

thanks for the clarity

[Toad]

They mostly fixed it. However, the GE is still far too restrictive, especially since Jagex creates completely arbitrary starting prices for new items they make.

 

 

 

For really rare items like Sigils and Third Age, they need to make the prices rapidly update, like D claws. They also need to remove a lot of the silly price floors on items like gold bars and fire runes.

 

 

 

Oh, and it'd do most people a lot of good if Jagex banned the leaders of the most well-known merchant cartels (Chessy, A C I D Y, etc) and closed their Clan Chats. It's a pyramid scheme, with a few select people benefitting immensely while the vast majority of players suffers through wild price swings and not being able to buy items even if they have the money. Part of this is fixing the GE, but Jagex also needs to crack down on price manipulators like the aforementioned people and their "cartels."

 

 

 

Couldnt agree with you more, they pretty much control prices these days, merchanting clans are another thing I really despise, atleast the gold farmers benefited every player with every item needed in mass quantitys such as essence, logs were there for cheap, now its up to who wants to buy it for longest and drive prices up which is pretty much guaranteed thanks to the G.E and these annoying clans buying out items.

 

 

 

holy moly, forgive my ignorance,

 

 

 

BUT

 

 

 

are you saying that the wildy is safe from pkers as long as you can fend off revantents,

 

UNLESS you're on a pvp server?

 

meaning the wildy ain't what it used to be? DANG

 

 

 

thanks for the clarity

 

 

 

And yes, the Revenants are Jagexs answers to Pking removal, monsters that eat, tb poison, and make me wanna screammm on clues.

[udontnojak55]

Smelly took the words right out of my mouth... people in the price manipulation clans make millions while the rest of us struggle to get that "one special item we want." Recent example: Black masks. they reach 1m at their peak because of the manipulators stay there for a day or two, then drop back down to 300k over the next week or so. What does it leave in its wake? the manipulation group with millions in profit and others, stuck with about 20 black masks. Grand Exchange needs to be fixed of this problem, and what better way to fix it then head straight to the source. Not that we should get off topic of anything. #-o

[Dork]

In my opinion, it was a mess up. As I said in another thread, very few people cared enough about RWT trading at the time (it was easy enough to ignore them) that they'd have wanted their gameplay impacted to get rid of them.

[mister_moocky]

In my opinion, it was a mess up. As I said in another thread, very few people cared enough about RWT trading at the time (it was easy enough to ignore them) that they'd have wanted their gameplay impacted to get rid of them.

 

Millions of people log in and out of Runescape every day. Speak for yourself.

[Master_Smither]

I completey agree dragon and smelly.

 

 

 

Todays prices of most popular items suffer huge prices flucuations caused by a bunch of wealthy players who decide to force a rise. Price manipulation is a vague issue in game but is strictly banned on the forums which makes me think. I have posted 8 times on the rule question thread and have been ignored each time. But price manipulation is a huge problem Jagex is going to have to deal with. Frankly I care more about these people than I did about rwters.

 

 

 

Pking removal realy didn't bother me and infact I realy enjoyed it because I was abyss rcing at the time :)

 

 

 

The grand exchange is great don't get me wrong but it has some major flaws such and the prices of some 'rare' items and that of junk. Also it brought a different generation of players to runescape.

 

 

 

I remember when I started playing and you'd start a quest you'd spend more time running around getting all the stuff for it than actually doing the quest. Now you through in a few offers for max in the GE and bam acouple seconds later you have everything. The players who didn't experience what the players that have been playing longer than the GE did are realy reliant on the GE. For an example I'll use one of my friends who was doing a clue yesterday. He gets a clue that requires a diamond ring so what does he do. He runs to the Ge and complains for 3 minutes that it is not buying. Of course the first thing I would have donewith withdraw a diamond, ring mould and a gold bar from my bank and make one. But actually making something is just not in his mind. It's realy a shame that the new players didn't get to experience the days when you realied on your skills to get something.

 

 

 

Maybe it was a bad update maybe it wasn't but I'm on the fence about it because I use it alot for buying items and it saves tons of time. But then again it has it's major flaws. I do agree on one thing removale of the wilderness was a great idea it flushed some of those rc pkers and honor pkers.

[Amundogus2]

In my opinion, it was a mess up. As I said in another thread, very few people cared enough about RWT trading at the time (it was easy enough to ignore them) that they'd have wanted their gameplay impacted to get rid of them.

 

Sure, it wasn't effecting the average player very much. But if you had actually read the Dev Diaries on the subject you would know why they did it.

[Dork]

In my opinion, it was a mess up. As I said in another thread, very few people cared enough about RWT trading at the time (it was easy enough to ignore them) that they'd have wanted their gameplay impacted to get rid of them.

 

Sure, it wasn't effecting the average player very much. But if you had actually read the Dev Diaries on the subject you would know why they did it.

 

Oh, I know why, I just wish they could have gone about it another way (not that I have any other suggestions, lol :P As far as I know Runescape is the only, or at least one of very few, popular MMOs that has successfully gotten rid of RWTers, for the most part), as the things that were lost as a result really were great parts of the game.

[Calzer101]

In my opinion, it was a mess up. As I said in another thread, very few people cared enough about RWT trading at the time (it was easy enough to ignore them) that they'd have wanted their gameplay impacted to get rid of them.

 

Sure, it wasn't effecting the average player very much. But if you had actually read the Dev Diaries on the subject you would know why they did it.

 

 

 

Ditto

[3hitm4g3u]

Funny how Jagex once considered doing RWT themselves.

[Amethyst_Gem]

Funny how Jagex once considered doing RWT themselves.

 

 

 

Lots of mmo companies do do just that - it is a way of making RWT/RMT organisations far less profitable, so they often don't bother. This reduces the issue with credit card fraud and botting, but makes it harder to catch offenders and destroys the game completely.

[Everyonedies]

I completey agree dragon and smelly.

 

 

 

Todays prices of most popular items suffer huge prices flucuations caused by a bunch of wealthy players who decide to force a rise. Price manipulation is a vague issue in game but is strictly banned on the forums which makes me think. I have posted 8 times on the rule question thread and have been ignored each time. But price manipulation is a huge problem Jagex is going to have to deal with. Frankly I care more about these people than I did about rwters.

 

 

 

Pking removal realy didn't bother me and infact I realy enjoyed it because I was abyss rcing at the time :)

 

 

 

The grand exchange is great don't get me wrong but it has some major flaws such and the prices of some 'rare' items and that of junk. Also it brought a different generation of players to runescape.

 

 

 

I remember when I started playing and you'd start a quest you'd spend more time running around getting all the stuff for it than actually doing the quest. Now you through in a few offers for max in the GE and bam acouple seconds later you have everything. The players who didn't experience what the players that have been playing longer than the GE did are realy reliant on the GE. For an example I'll use one of my friends who was doing a clue yesterday. He gets a clue that requires a diamond ring so what does he do. He runs to the Ge and complains for 3 minutes that it is not buying. Of course the first thing I would have donewith withdraw a diamond, ring mould and a gold bar from my bank and make one. But actually making something is just not in his mind. It's realy a shame that the new players didn't get to experience the days when you realied on your skills to get something.

 

 

 

Maybe it was a bad update maybe it wasn't but I'm on the fence about it because I use it alot for buying items and it saves tons of time. But then again it has it's major flaws. I do agree on one thing removale of the wilderness was a great idea it flushed some of those rc pkers and honor pkers.

I can not agree with you more I mean i used to train skills to be able to make the random things that you have to make to do quests or finish a clue or whatever. Now its just put your order on the G.E. and wait. I have changed my playing style because of it. If im gunna do a quest the night before im gunna do that quest ill put in my orders for the things im going to need and log off. Next time i log on bam everything i need to do that quest. But many things have been made much easier the make X option is on nearly everthing now, i got 85 minning back when you had to click the rock each time to swing your pick axe. I guess instead of getting stuck in our old ways of doing things its just easier to adapt.

[Ravenkana]

Last year wasn't so hot. Summoning's initial release was horribly flawed, and Jagex had an inane fixation on Minigames and Distractions and Diversions. Correct me if I'm wrong, but looking at the two months we've had this year, they still have it. But, there were some significant good changes. Like Summoning 2: The New Batch. Although I still think it needs to be more accessible to skillers...

[BabyPunchers]

I wish Truthscape would do a year in review. Last year's was well detailed and fun to read. I think that site is dead though :(

[udontnojak55]

I completey agree dragon and smelly.

 

 

 

Todays prices of most popular items suffer huge prices flucuations caused by a bunch of wealthy players who decide to force a rise. Price manipulation is a vague issue in game but is strictly banned on the forums which makes me think. I have posted 8 times on the rule question thread and have been ignored each time. But price manipulation is a huge problem Jagex is going to have to deal with. Frankly I care more about these people than I did about rwters.

 

 

 

Pking removal realy didn't bother me and infact I realy enjoyed it because I was abyss rcing at the time :)

 

 

 

The grand exchange is great don't get me wrong but it has some major flaws such and the prices of some 'rare' items and that of junk. Also it brought a different generation of players to runescape.

 

 

 

I remember when I started playing and you'd start a quest you'd spend more time running around getting all the stuff for it than actually doing the quest. Now you through in a few offers for max in the GE and bam acouple seconds later you have everything. The players who didn't experience what the players that have been playing longer than the GE did are realy reliant on the GE. For an example I'll use one of my friends who was doing a clue yesterday. He gets a clue that requires a diamond ring so what does he do. He runs to the Ge and complains for 3 minutes that it is not buying. Of course the first thing I would have donewith withdraw a diamond, ring mould and a gold bar from my bank and make one. But actually making something is just not in his mind. It's realy a shame that the new players didn't get to experience the days when you realied on your skills to get something.

 

 

 

Maybe it was a bad update maybe it wasn't but I'm on the fence about it because I use it alot for buying items and it saves tons of time. But then again it has it's major flaws. I do agree on one thing removale of the wilderness was a great idea it flushed some of those rc pkers and honor pkers.

 

 

 

Couldn't find anything in your statement that i didn't agree with. It really is a shame that the newer players, in my opinion, will not be able to get the "full game experience". Some people say that doing the quest was the "full experience." I however disagree. Gathering the items used to be a part of the quest as well. I still gather all the items I need for a quest by myself without using the Grand Exchange. I'm not saying that its not tempting to use it to buy the items and have the quest done in half the time. I just prefer to get the "full experience." Overall i think the Grand Exchange has it's positives and negative. I really do enjoy not sitting in world 2 trying to buy a holloween mask or some other item. But the lazieness that has followed is discouraging not to metion price manipulators.

[123_x_pac]

Let me clarify: by removal of wilderness i mean where pking used to take place. the wilderness does still exist, and is axcessible, but without the dangers of pkers. This is the reason Jagex added Revenants to the wildy. To take the place of pkers and add danger to entering there.

 

Ever heard of the PVP Update?You can still pk in the wild on PVP servers, so the thread of pkers is still there.

[Danqazmlp]

Darn, master smithers posts are great on this thread so far, i agree with every point made in them, something really needs to be done with the merch clans and price flaws, surely if they devoted a team of just 5 people to finding these clans and shutting their rs accounts down they could easily cripple the manipulation.

[jade_slayer6]

Darn, master smithers posts are great on this thread so far, i agree with every point made in them, something really needs to be done with the merch clans and price flaws, surely if they devoted a team of just 5 people to finding these clans and shutting their rs accounts down they could easily cripple the manipulation.

 

 

 

J mod spy team ftw?

[udontnojak55]

Let me clarify: by removal of wilderness i mean where pking used to take place. the wilderness does still exist, and is axcessible, but without the dangers of pkers. This is the reason Jagex added Revenants to the wildy. To take the place of pkers and add danger to entering there.

 

Ever heard of the PVP Update?You can still pk in the wild on PVP servers, so the thread of pkers is still there.

 

 

 

As stated in the first post a "like" wilderness was placed in the form of PvP worlds. It's both common sence and common knowledge that if you log onto these servers you can be pk'd almost anywhere. It also help that theres a warning screen when you log onto these worlds.

[SwreeTak]

I liked the updates very much. I have never been a pker myself so I'm happy that I now can pick a world where I need to head to certain minigames for having a risk of meeting pking. The GE has made merchanting a lot easier for me and instead of standing outside the Varrock Bank for ages, calling out the same message over and over again, I can now easily buy thousands of what I need to a good price from the GE, in just a few seconds. These both updates did indeed make RS a much better game for me.

 

I understand that some people didn't like these updates. We all play differently and if you loved the wilderness or had some kind of merchanting system that the GE now has ruined, you might don't like these updates. But for the most players I think these updates made RS better, easier to understand and better. We have got more options to choose in between. If you're a pker you can choose a pk-world, if you don't you can just log into a nonpking-world. You can skill or pk while the GE seeks through all different items for sale or to buy in the world for you, which saves a lot of time.

 

I think the year 2008 in RS was great. Then I understand if some people disagree with me, but this is my opinion.

[mario_sunny]

In 2008 I was totally against jagex because of those updates, but now I've come to realize that the wilderness update was actually one of the biggest improvements the game has ever seen since castle wars. :thumbsup:

 

 

 

I like to think of it like this: Imagine if jagex had just ignored RWT. What would runescape be like now? No doubt RWT would be much bigger, and I imagine that the game would be a lot cheaper: only the rich people in real life would be the richest ones in the game, which is not right.

 

 

 

Now imagine if they suddenly dropped the trade limit and all those things that stopped RTW right now. Would that really make runescape better? I don't think I have to explain. All the real pkers are gone. Even if they did bring the original wilderness back there would just be coward pkers.

 

 

 

Two years ago I would have said jagex would never get rid of free trade. Today, I say it is a necessary improvement. I have come to accept it; it immediately eliminated 100% of all big item scammers, and it hit RWT very hard (RWT is actually still alive today, but most of the sites are scam sites. ;) ).

 

 

 

Good Job Jagex.