runecrafting natures

[perfetc]

To be honest I think the ways of getting runecrafting up using nats are so complex and involve so much tele-ing that it would probably be the same number (if not less) of clicks to do the general store way than to tele round the place especially since there is a musician right next to the store now.

 

 

 

Think about it, say for arguments sake you buy 1 glory at the ge and run to the abyss, run to the nature portal, click the alter and the pouches, then glory back. You can do that for times then you have to either buy a new glory or run to the guild and dip it in the fountain and start over again.

 

 

 

I know people have more than 1 glory but you still waste time doing it and its more clicks.

 

 

 

The general store way you get double the amount of gp than ess (1k ess - 2k gp)note all your ess except a full inv then its 9 clicks to the alter (if I remember correctly), click the alter and pouches, 9 clicks back, talk to the store owner (have to use the correct number to convert from note to ess, so if you got 10 spaces click 10 or less other wise it wont work) run to the musician and wait then repeat.

 

 

 

It's less complex than it sounds and I bet it's quicker.

 

 

 

With my agility level I usually end up with about 30 energy left, you could even cut out using the musician 3 times if you take the explorer ring 3 with you.

 

 

 

I would test this out but I don't have the level in summoning and the quests to use the fairy rings.

 

 

 

(I didn't know were to put this, it was either here or debate. Sorry if I chose wrong)

[Toad]

To be honest I think the ways of getting runecrafting up using nats are so complex and involve so much tele-ing that it would probably be the same number (if not less) of clicks to do the general store way than to tele round the place especially since there is a musician right next to the store now.

 

 

 

Think about it, say for arguments sake you buy 1 glory at the ge and run to the abyss, run to the nature portal, click the alter and the pouches, then glory back. You can do that for times then you have to either buy a new glory or run to the guild and dip it in the fountain and start over again.

 

 

 

I know people have more than 1 glory but you still waste time doing it and its more clicks.

 

 

 

The general store way you get double the amount of gp than ess (1k ess - 2k gp)note all your ess except a full inv then its 9 clicks to the alter (if I remember correctly), click the alter and pouches, 9 clicks back, talk to the store owner (have to use the correct number to convert from note to ess, so if you got 10 spaces click 10 or less other wise it wont work) run to the musician and wait then repeat.

 

 

 

It's less complex than it sounds and I bet it's quicker.

 

 

 

With my agility level I usually end up with about 30 energy left, you could even cut out using the musician 3 times if you take the explorer ring 3 with you.

 

 

 

I would test this out but I don't have the level in summoning and the quests to use the fairy rings.

 

 

 

(I didn't know were to put this, it was either here or debate. Sorry if I chose wrong)

 

 

 

That method has been out since Runecrafting was released many of us used it including me before the likes of the abyss came out

[yuriqiu]

Just from my own experience, Graahks bought me around 4k-4.5k nats/hr. GOP Tabs is 6-7k nats/hr (not including the 1 hr minimum to get enough tabs). Abyss bough me around 3-3.5k/hr. Fairy Ring was about same as Abyss although the highest I've gone was 3.2k/hr. Divide the numbers by 2 and that's how much ess I've used to craft. If someone has the numbers from gen shop we can compare the methods.

[Lets_3ekout]

Your profit goes down significantly using general store due to:

 

Sell & Buy back.

 

Must go out of your way to repair pouches. If you don't go out of your way to repair them, gp/hr goes down even further.

 

 

 

Graahks last almost an hour, so there's no fuss with teleporting there, dueling rings are cheap also.

 

 

 

For the old abyss techniques, they are still significantly better than the shop technique. The reason your getting bad gp is because your using low amounts of glories. You NEED 28 glories to do this. A Geyser titan brings down recharge down significantly, but with 28 glories it doesn't make that much of a difference.

[3hitm4g3u]

Your profit goes down significantly using general store due to:

 

Sell & Buy back.

 

 

 

 

You don't need to do this anymore. An npc will unnote your essense for 2gp per ess.

[Lets_3ekout]

Your profit goes down significantly using general store due to:

 

Sell & Buy back.

 

 

 

 

You don't need to do this anymore. An npc will unnote your essense for 2gp per ess.

 

Oh? Missed that update.

 

 

 

Well you're still paying 2gp/ess to use a slower technique :|

[perfetc]

Your profit goes down significantly using general store due to:

 

Sell & Buy back.

 

 

 

 

You don't need to do this anymore. An npc will unnote your essense for 2gp per ess.

 

 

 

Exactly.

 

 

 

 

Must go out of your way to repair pouches. If you don't go out of your way to repair them, gp/hr goes down even further.

 

 

 

No matter what method you use, you still have to go out of your way to repair the pouches.

 

 

 

Rings of dueling eat in to profit, at 1.6k per ring thats 56 nats wasted per ring.

 

 

 

The reason your getting bad gp is because your using low amounts of glories. You NEED 28 glories to do this. A Geyser titan brings down recharge down significantly, but with 28 glories it doesn't make that much of a difference.

 

 

 

I bet in the time it takes you to recharge all of your glories I could atleast do half a run with ALOT less clicking. You also have to waste time getting level 89 to use that method.

 

 

 

The only time I waste is getting my rc level high enough to make nats. The only thing I need to recharge is my run energy, which takes like 10 seconds.

 

 

 

Just from my own experience, Graahks bought me around 4k-4.5k nats/hr. GOP Tabs is 6-7k nats/hr (not including the 1 hr minimum to get enough tabs). Abyss bough me around 3-3.5k/hr. Fairy Ring was about same as Abyss although the highest I've gone was 3.2k/hr. Divide the numbers by 2 and that's how much ess I've used to craft. If someone has the numbers from gen shop we can compare the methods.

 

 

 

Take into account the time it takes to get the summoning level? Plus the cost of shards, pouches etc.

 

 

 

Take into account the time it takes to get the GOP tabs?

 

 

 

EDIT: I use glories for my method but I only have to use 2 charges every so often and thats to tele to edgeville then run to the abyss to repair my pouches then I tele back to karamja and carry on crafting. So 10 glories will last me weeks, let alone 28!

[BiJay]

You also have to waste time getting level 89 to use that method.

 

 

 

Take into account the time it takes to get the summoning level? Plus the cost of shards, pouches etc.

 

Getting levels isn't a waste of time... Plus summoning is usefull for various other skills, too.

[stonewall337]

Your method is still far slower then any other conventional method out there. That is all there is to it.

[Racheya]

Am I the only one that doesn't use glories but uses Varrock tele-tabs?

 

 

 

If you've set your teleport spot to the GE it's pretty much the same as teleporting to Edgeville. You can bank at the GE then use the shortcut in the north west corner then run up to the teleporter dude.

 

 

 

Sure you're using one inventory space for the teletabs but you don't need to worry about expensive glories or recharging them. You can carry as many teletabs as you want.

[Lets_3ekout]

 

Must go out of your way to repair pouches. If you don't go out of your way to repair them, gp/hr goes down even further.

 

 

 

No matter what method you use, you still have to go out of your way to repair the pouches.

 

 

 

Rings of dueling eat in to profit, at 1.6k per ring thats 56 nats wasted per ring.

 

Abyss method has almost no delay to repair pouches. Grahhk method is also alot faster to repair since you are always near a bank. With the shop method you must run to shilo, or even worse, ardy.

 

 

 

The reason your getting bad gp is because your using low amounts of glories. You NEED 28 glories to do this. A Geyser titan brings down recharge down significantly, but with 28 glories it doesn't make that much of a difference.

 

 

 

I bet in the time it takes you to recharge all of your glories I could atleast do half a run with ALOT less clicking. You also have to waste time getting level 89 to use that method.

 

 

 

The only time I waste is getting my rc level high enough to make nats. The only thing I need to recharge is my run energy, which takes like 10 seconds.

 

I'll take you up on that bet. I can recharge all my glories within 5-10 seconds, easily. I also only have to do so every 112 trips, very insignificant. You also assume people are getting summoning just to RC. Granted, not many people have 89, those who have it certainly didn't get it for the glory recharging. Thus, the time/cost for the summoning levels is irrelevant. Also, an extra 10 seconds for recharging run energy is a LONG time when you're skilling, even if it is only every now and then.

 

 

 

 

 

In the end, the shop method has slower runs. Just time it, and you'll see that this debate is pretty pointless for anyone who either has the summoning level for graahk (very low level required, just about any combat-savy person will have it) or the cash for 28 glories (any serious RCer can collect 28 for the increased trip times).

[Unknown_Warrior]

Unnoting at the general store?

 

Whoa, did my time machine to 2005 work?

 

 

 

Seriously, Graahk-ing (as the act is commonly referred to) is way easy and I don't see how you even find it complex (if you said ZMI though, I'd agree, it is quite complex). Bank (usually at Castle Wars), fill 3 pouches, click on Graahk and teleport, go east, enter the altar and craft the Natures, rub the ring. Rince and repeat.

[la la la]

Simplicity does not equal speed.

 

 

 

Graahks are easily double the speed, mainly because you don't have to walk anywhere back from the altar. You simply teleport, run to altar, craft, bank, and repeat. With the general store method, you have to run to the general store and back.

 

 

 

It takes practice, but graahks have been proven to be faster by far.

[perfetc]

 

Abyss method has almost no delay to repair pouches. Grahhk method is also alot faster to repair since you are always near a bank. With the shop method you must run to shilo, or even worse, ardy.

 

 

 

Ardy!?!?!

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'll take you up on that bet. I can recharge all my glories within 5-10 seconds, easily. I also only have to do so every 112 trips, very insignificant. You also assume people are getting summoning just to RC. Granted, not many people have 89, those who have it certainly didn't get it for the glory recharging. Thus, the time/cost for the summoning levels is irrelevant. Also, an extra 10 seconds for recharging run energy is a LONG time when you're skilling, even if it is only every now and then.

 

 

 

 

 

In the end, the shop method has slower runs. Just time it, and you'll see that this debate is pretty pointless for anyone who either has the summoning level for graahk (very low level required, just about any combat-savy person will have it) or the cash for 28 glories (any serious RCer can collect 28 for the increased trip times).

 

 

 

Im not assuming people get summoning levels just for rcing, im not stupid. We are just talking about rcing though so mentioning other skills IS stupid.

 

 

 

I mentioned getting the summoning levels cos it is a way of making nats so talking about summoning levels isn't irrelevant.

 

 

 

10 seconds is nothing.

 

 

 

My combat skills are my 2nd,3rd and 4th highest and my summoning is 28. Thats irrelevant.

 

 

 

I feel like aristarchus of samos in 310 bc, excpet I could be wrong, (he was the 1st guy to suggest the earth went round the sun btw).

 

 

 

All Im saying is try it. You could be right and it could be quicker to tele around like Dr Who in fast forward but can't you accept you could be wrong and the way I'm suggesting could be quicker and maybe involve less clicking?

 

 

 

All im saying is TRY it, you all may be right and it could be quicker to tele round the place like Dr Who in fast forward.

[perfetc]

Simplicity does not equal speed.

 

 

 

Graahks are easily double the speed, mainly because you don't have to walk anywhere back from the altar. You simply teleport, run to altar, craft, bank, and repeat. With the general store method, you have to run to the general store and back.

 

 

 

It takes practice, but graahks have been proven to be faster by far.

 

 

 

Does that take in to account the new musician so you can non-stop run.

 

 

 

Before that musician was put there it was definitely slower but due to the drummer I think it needs to be re-tested, in fact Ill jump online now and try it for 30 mins.

 

 

 

EDIT: I do only have 2 pouches though.

[Georgelemmons]

Graahks are much faster than everything except nature tabs. It's been tested many times. As for the cost of rings of duelling, you lose about 1 nat a run for 2x the speed. It's completely worth it.

[perfetc]

Graahks are much faster than everything except nature tabs. It's been tested many times. As for the cost of rings of duelling, you lose about 1 nat a run for 2x the speed. It's completely worth it.

 

 

 

How did you work out the cost of the duel ring?

 

 

 

I think I should re-test that on moday mid-day, atleast that way I wont lose connection, grrr.

 

 

 

In 30 mins, with 2 pouches and no familiars (obviously) I got 456 nats. Bearing in mind the lag problems I think that pretty good.

[stonewall337]

You could have gotten over 700 natures, probably more crafting via graakh or abyss.

[perfetc]

Ill get the other 2 pouches, get the abyssal parasite go on during a mid-day weekday and test it properly and see what happens.

 

 

 

Like I have said before, I might be wrong ... and im mature enough to accept that. You are all saying point blank saying your wrong were right (a little more polite than that, I'll admit).

 

 

 

Just open your mind to the possability I could be right

[Ravenkana]

Graahks are much faster than everything except nature tabs. It's been tested many times. As for the cost of rings of duelling, you lose about 1 nat a run for 2x the speed. It's completely worth it.

Couldn't you use a Games Necklace and tele to the ex-bounty volcano saving 400 gp per item?

[SanNo1]

Just open your mind to the possability I could be right

 

 

 

but you're not,it has been tested over and over, and even the abyss is faster then using the general store. The newly added musician is useless, because there are already oog'log pools which give you unlimited energy.

 

 

 

If you are so certain of the possibility that you are right, go try it and find out yourself that running to the general store is a waste of time and money.

[perfetc]

I think ill talk to the wall from now on, read my last post again and try to understand it. :wall:

[Hajutze]

Weren't you mature enough to face the truth ?

 

IF it was better someone would have found it already ...

[perfetc]

They could be to busy doing it the other ways.

 

 

 

There always has to be a person to discover something (I know Im not the 1st to use this method) so I could be the 1st to re-discover this method.

 

 

 

Yes it has been tested before but I'm betting that was before the drummer was placed there.

 

 

 

I bet the 1st person to discover the Graahks method didn't have this much trouble convincing people his way was better.

 

 

 

Sorry for sticking my head above the parapet. Taking all this flak for suggesting that the oldest way could be faster than teleing so much.

 

 

 

In future i'll keep schtum! :notalk:

[Hajutze]

 

I bet the 1st person to discover the Graahks method didn't have this much trouble convincing people his way was better.

 

 

because it was almost obvius that it was better. cmon, teleport few steps away from an altar with almost no cost ? you dont need to convince them, if they cant see it they are idiots \