The Case for Slayer

[redstarmafia]

Personally, I really like slayer. Its a fun way to train combat.

[Lord_Shalaj]

In the end, it's a proven fact that slayer isin't the best exp, money, or source of charms,

 

 

 

However if you COMBINE the best exp, money and charms together, and compare with Slayer as a whole, you will find Slayer wins.

 

 

 

And also, Slayer provides a variety and doesn't make you feel like you are grinding (which is the case at AZ)

 

 

 

Thanks..

 

Lord Shalaj

[D Jay99]

In the end, it's a proven fact that slayer isin't the best exp, money, or source of charms,

 

 

 

However if you COMBINE the best exp, money and charms together, and compare with Slayer as a whole, you will find Slayer wins.

 

That is exactly the point, it doesn't. Even if you have to do a few different things to get the fastest charms/xp/money, it will together always be faster than doing them all at once with slayer. It's pretty obvious I'd say, but since there's no conclusive data both parties agree with, slayer will probably never be proven to be slower, even though it is. See below. This was also what the 80 page 'Slayer Sucks' thread was trying to point out, but there will always be slayer fanatics who wont accept it. I'm trying to get some accurate data on xp/h and money/h while training slayer, so I will report back once I'm done collecting data.

 

In the end, it's a proven fact that slayer isin't the best exp, money, or source of charms,

 

It isn't really a proven fact, because no one agrees with the data the opposing party provides. It does seem that slayer isn't the fastest method to gain exp/money/charms, but it hasn't been conclusively proven yet. And unfortunately, even when it eventually gets proven, slayer lovers will always keep saying it is better, even though it's been proven it isn't. :P

 

 

 

The whole 'variety' argument doesn't really hold ground either, since all tasks are just routine too after slaying for a while.

[DragonSam]

Well, I'm in the camp that likes Slayer. I enjoy a certain amount of brainless play, so I find it enjoyably simple to be told what to do and run off and get whatever number of whatever beastie. I like the Slayer helm just because I think it looks kewl. I like broad bolts because they are good ammo for Ranging. I like the Slayer ring because it's handy transport.

 

 

 

I don't like how slowly my xp for Slayer is now accumulating, and I'm only at 77, but I still like how my combat stats keep topping up while I do Slayer tasks. I like how occasional Slayer tasks get me to remember Range and Mage so I still advance them, which I would probably do more slowly without the prompting. I like how occasional Slayer tasks mean boosts to various other tasks, eg Waterfiends boost crimson charms for Summoning or Aberrant Spectres boost herbs for Herbology or dragons give me bones for Prayer.

 

 

 

I don't agree with those who argue that Slayer is 'the best way' of advancing xp in combat skills, or 'the fastest way' of getting money from drops or resources for other skills. I think there are faster better ways to make money, collect herbs or increase melee xp than just being a servant to your local Slayer master. Whether or not you could figure out for yourself better ways to get the same combined result as Slayer tasks I'm not sure - it would probably take a bit of careful research, but I expect it would work.

 

 

 

BUT ... Doing Slayer tasks will inevitably lead to substantial combat xp, money, herbs, charms, bones etc, without having to plan or think much. That's what I like, the simplicity. Almost every Slayer task I do has a secondary gain; I do the task and advance Slayer a little but also have a bunch of herbs or bones or gold or xp or whatever at the end.

 

 

 

And the last thing I like about Slayer is that by doing tasks I learn more about the game - locations, monsters, methods. I don't have time to explore a lot and I don't have the intellectual space to remember all the monsters, so Slayer tasks send me to places I might not get around to for months otherwise, to fight monsters I might not have found even then. I'd completely forgotten about Skeletal Wyverns until I got them as a task this evening - I bet I wouldn't have thought of going back to the ice caves and through that weird other door for months if I hadn't got the task.

[Owned_Nex]

In the end, it's a proven fact that slayer isin't the best exp, money, or source of charms,

 

 

 

However if you COMBINE the best exp, money and charms together, and compare with Slayer as a whole, you will find Slayer wins.

 

 

 

And also, Slayer provides a variety and doesn't make you feel like you are grinding (which is the case at AZ)

 

 

 

Thanks..

 

Lord Shalaj

 

 

 

You are right it does provide the best exp, charms, money toegether, but it is less efficient.

 

 

 

It would be faster to get 99-99, then get money, then farm charms rather then do it all at once.

 

 

 

 

 

Like I said before, there is not much variety in slayer. There are only SO many tasks. If you do get 99 slayer, you will realize that you will do many tasks repetitively.

 

 

 

Slayer is a circle. Not a large circle.

[perfetc]

You are right it does provide the best exp, charms, money toegether, but it is less efficient.

 

 

 

That doesn't make sense.

 

 

 

I don't think it is, the only extra is exp your getting by doing slayer is slayer lol.

[Owned_Nex]

^

 

 

 

Slayer provides the most best way to train blanced, but balanced training isin't as good as maxing you offensive stats.

[michel555555]

for slayer you have to look at it this way. if you want to max out you eventually need to train slayer.

 

 

 

now whats faster? training combat skills and summoning seperatly and then doing a third skill of slayer or do slayer and get all three of them at once.

[Owned_Nex]

for slayer you have to look at it this way. if you want to max out you eventually need to train slayer.

 

 

 

now whats faster? training combat skills and summoning seperatly and then doing a third skill of slayer or do slayer and get all three of them at once.

 

 

 

Seperate is much faster

[michel555555]

for slayer you have to look at it this way. if you want to max out you eventually need to train slayer.

 

 

 

now whats faster? training combat skills and summoning seperatly and then doing a third skill of slayer or do slayer and get all three of them at once.

 

 

 

Seperate is much faster

 

 

 

not really. even with max cb the xp an hr isn't that much with slaying. if you get cb up while slaying however you save a ton of time and on the road to 99 slay u can get 99 attack defence strength hp and almost summoning all in one go.

[Owned_Nex]

for slayer you have to look at it this way. if you want to max out you eventually need to train slayer.

 

 

 

now whats faster? training combat skills and summoning seperatly and then doing a third skill of slayer or do slayer and get all three of them at once.

 

 

 

Seperate is much faster

 

 

 

not really. even with max cb the xp an hr isn't that much with slaying. if you get cb up while slaying however you save a ton of time and on the road to 99 slay u can get 99 attack defence strength hp and almost summoning all in one go.

 

 

 

No, actually it is indded MUCH faster to train it seperatly. You can get ^ of those skills "in one go", but the person who didn't slay has been doen for weeks.

[michel555555]

for slayer you have to look at it this way. if you want to max out you eventually need to train slayer.

 

 

 

now whats faster? training combat skills and summoning seperatly and then doing a third skill of slayer or do slayer and get all three of them at once.

 

 

 

Seperate is much faster

 

 

 

not really. even with max cb the xp an hr isn't that much with slaying. if you get cb up while slaying however you save a ton of time and on the road to 99 slay u can get 99 attack defence strength hp and almost summoning all in one go.

 

 

 

No, actually it is indded MUCH faster to train it seperatly. You can get ^ of those skills "in one go", but the person who didn't slay has been doen for weeks.

 

 

 

but then the person who didn't slay now has to spend 6 months or so depending on how long they play getting 99 slay as well. while the other person has been done for months.

[Troacctid]

[hide=pantim wrote]

for slayer you have to look at it this way. if you want to max out you eventually need to train slayer.

 

 

 

now whats faster? training combat skills and summoning seperatly and then doing a third skill of slayer or do slayer and get all three of them at once.

 

 

 

Seperate is much faster

 

 

 

not really. even with max cb the xp an hr isn't that much with slaying. if you get cb up while slaying however you save a ton of time and on the road to 99 slay u can get 99 attack defence strength hp and almost summoning all in one go.

 

 

 

No, actually it is indded MUCH faster to train it seperatly. You can get ^ of those skills "in one go", but the person who didn't slay has been doen for weeks.[/hide]

 

 

 

but then the person who didn't slay now has to spend 6 months or so depending on how long they play getting 99 slay as well. while the other person has been done for months.

 

So what? The person who didn't slay will also spend less time on slayer because you train slayer faster when your combat is maxed already. Those fire giant tasks will go a lot faster with a steel titan, don't you think?

[michel555555]

[hide=pantim wrote]

for slayer you have to look at it this way. if you want to max out you eventually need to train slayer.

 

 

 

now whats faster? training combat skills and summoning seperatly and then doing a third skill of slayer or do slayer and get all three of them at once.

 

 

 

Seperate is much faster

 

 

 

not really. even with max cb the xp an hr isn't that much with slaying. if you get cb up while slaying however you save a ton of time and on the road to 99 slay u can get 99 attack defence strength hp and almost summoning all in one go.

 

 

 

No, actually it is indded MUCH faster to train it seperatly. You can get ^ of those skills "in one go", but the person who didn't slay has been doen for weeks.[/hide]

 

 

 

but then the person who didn't slay now has to spend 6 months or so depending on how long they play getting 99 slay as well. while the other person has been done for months.

 

So what? The person who didn't slay will also spend less time on slayer because you train slayer faster when your combat is maxed already. Those fire giant tasks will go a lot faster with a steel titan, don't you think?

 

 

 

even with maxed stats the most you will get out of slay is between 20-50k xp an hr less if you get terrible tasks. and there is not much a difference between the xp you will get from 70-99 in combat level. it might slow down slayer xp just a little bit for banking for food but other then that its not much of a difference.

[mlclm]

[hide=pantim wrote]

for slayer you have to look at it this way. if you want to max out you eventually need to train slayer.

 

 

 

now whats faster? training combat skills and summoning seperatly and then doing a third skill of slayer or do slayer and get all three of them at once.

 

 

 

Seperate is much faster

 

 

 

not really. even with max cb the xp an hr isn't that much with slaying. if you get cb up while slaying however you save a ton of time and on the road to 99 slay u can get 99 attack defence strength hp and almost summoning all in one go.

 

 

 

No, actually it is indded MUCH faster to train it seperatly. You can get ^ of those skills "in one go", but the person who didn't slay has been doen for weeks.[/hide]

 

 

 

but then the person who didn't slay now has to spend 6 months or so depending on how long they play getting 99 slay as well. while the other person has been done for months.

 

So what? The person who didn't slay will also spend less time on slayer because you train slayer faster when your combat is maxed already. Those fire giant tasks will go a lot faster with a steel titan, don't you think?

 

Even though they would spend less time on slayer, the cumulative time it would take would be far greater. With a long-term goal of a maxed account, slayer is the most efficient. Full stop.

[Troacctid]

[hide=pantim wrote]

for slayer you have to look at it this way. if you want to max out you eventually need to train slayer.

 

 

 

now whats faster? training combat skills and summoning seperatly and then doing a third skill of slayer or do slayer and get all three of them at once.

 

 

 

Seperate is much faster

 

 

 

not really. even with max cb the xp an hr isn't that much with slaying. if you get cb up while slaying however you save a ton of time and on the road to 99 slay u can get 99 attack defence strength hp and almost summoning all in one go.

 

 

 

No, actually it is indded MUCH faster to train it seperatly. You can get ^ of those skills "in one go", but the person who didn't slay has been doen for weeks.[/hide]

 

 

 

but then the person who didn't slay now has to spend 6 months or so depending on how long they play getting 99 slay as well. while the other person has been done for months.

 

So what? The person who didn't slay will also spend less time on slayer because you train slayer faster when your combat is maxed already. Those fire giant tasks will go a lot faster with a steel titan, don't you think?

 

Even though they would spend less time on slayer, the cumulative time it would take would be far greater. With a long-term goal of a maxed account, slayer is the most efficient. Full stop.

 

Inversely, without the long-term goal of a maxed account, slayer is not the most efficient.

[langer]

Even though they would spend less time on slayer, the cumulative time it would take would be far greater. With a long-term goal of a maxed account, slayer is the most efficient. Full stop.

 

 

 

Inversely, without the long-term goal of a maxed account, slayer is not the most efficient.

 

 

 

Both these statements are true. What matters following that is the player's point of view and what his/her objectives are. If getting a high combat is important for pvp or monster hunting from that player's point of view, slayer is not the way. If getting all skills to 99 in the fastest possible way is the objective, that player should slay his combat levels.

[KingDodongo]

I'm 75 Slayer, almost 76 and I can say that the cash side of things varies greatly. I'm broke. What you gain from abby spectres is spent on prayer potions for black demons, and the profit becomes minimal. I certainly won't be making any fortunes soon.

 

 

 

Also, the charms are only really good if you're using Duradel, but it is nice to know you're getting so much xp, even if it can be slow at times.

[Owned_Nex]

Hmm.

 

 

 

This actually raises the question of if maxing out combat then training slayer would be faster then training melee with slayer.

 

 

 

Since both methods would be getting lower exp in lower lvls, then higher, we will say you get a base amount from lvl 1-99. This is advantageous towards slayer since low levels cannot slay efficiently.

 

 

 

So you need about 13m exp 1-99. Its a easy 90k EXP/h at Pc, Sw, or Armoured Zombies, so we'll go with 90k. For slayer its around 50k-70k. I'll go with 60k.

 

 

 

At that rate its 144 hours with normal melee.(Per one skill)

 

Its 216 hours through slayer. (Per one skill)

 

 

 

So that means you have 216 hours to get 99 slayer at maxed combat. That means you need about 60k slayer exp/hour to break even.

 

 

 

Now realistically these calculations are fairly off. You get much less exp at lower lvls, and possibly higher once you are near max. This is the same for both methods. I can't waste the time gathering this data.

 

 

 

For getting 90-99, the data is much more accurate since the exp/hour is much more similar.

[D Jay99]

127 Tasks



Att   5425k  7473k

Str   5582k  7501k

Def   5421k  7465k

Hp    7853k  10258k (also ~300k from bursting)

Range 5409k  7095k

Slay  4457k  6613k

Summ  5388k  5605k



About 60k from bork/vine, so a total of 2096k slayer xp. The summoning xp was all from penguins/lamps.



Total time: 96 hours and 21 minutes, 21.75k xp/hour.



Charms

Gold  1913   166k xp

Green 852    103k xp

Crim  3224  1206k xp

Blue  473    331k xp

           1806k xp



The charms I got from bork/bursting have been subtracted from the total.



Total cost, pots/cballs/pouches etc:



22203k



523  ppots

129  sup att

172  sup str

118  sup def

16   range

10   mage (been slaying on lunars for a while)

8    antifire

44   zamorak brew

60k  cballs

1500 broad bolts

~200 house tabs

6    tort pouches

58   yip pouches

32   uni pouches

21   geyser pouches

4    parasite pouches

~1k  uni scrolls

261  pine pizzas



Total value of drops not counting rare drops:



~9000k (didn't take placeholders of rune items/snap seeds etc out of my bank, 8693k exactly)

~5800k (placeholders again, 5603k exactly)

~6100k (placeholders, 6046k exactly)



1 whip         2662k

4 d boots      1418k

2 d bows       1764k

6 range amulets 8953k (sold them when I got them because the price was bound to fall)



So a total of 20900k worth in drops, 2300k loss

Taking into account rare drops a total of 35700k in drops, 13.5m profit.



So, a total of 2100k slayer xp in 96.35 hours:



2048k attack xp

1919k strength xp

2044k defence xp

2104k hitpoints xp

1686k range xp

1806k summ xp



13500k profit, or 2300k loss (about 1 gp/xp) without rare drops.



Xp/hour:



62.3k melee xp/hour

17.5k range xp/hour

18.7k summoning xp/hour

21.8k slayer xp/hour



I used 10% range/strength prayer everywhere, and followed the methods Zarfot describes in his 'Mega Slayer Guide 4'. I piety waterfiends/wyverns/scarabites, and have also pietyed two abyssal demon tasks and two greater demon tasks (the latter are a waste piety because of spot stealers and only 3 spawns). Furthermore I cannon as much as possible, try to change my equipment/inventory fast in between tasks, and also try to waste as little time possible picking up drops/walking round. I repot at 7/8/9 levels under my potted max.



My task list if anyone is interested, copied from excel so not that clear.



189	Abyssal Demons	19	7	66	2	

182	Black Demons	35	19	90	3	

142	Fire Giants	82	6	6	2	

4	Mithril Dragons	0	0	4	4	

149	Nechryael	12	12	45	2	94 Hp

160	Waterfiends	14	9	122	3	

169	Fire Giants	83	15	10	2	

65	Scarabites	7	1	17	2	

167	Spiritual Mages	0	0	0	0	

42	Scarabites	7	3	10	0	

143	Warped Terrorbirds	0	0	0	0	

197	Spiritual Mages	0	0	0	0	

189	Waterfiends	25	6	140	7	

71	Scarabites	7	1	18	0	

164	Spiritual Mages	0	0	0	0	

154	Abyssal Demons	12	6	51	0	

195	Aquanites	22	8	5	10	

6	Mithril Dragons	4	12	8	0	

137	Greater Demons	8	8	35	2	

165	Bloodvelds	65	12	9	2	

159	Black Demons	28	13	73	4	

175	Abyssal Demons	15	4	67	3	

168	Abberant Spectres	22	7	6	9	89 Slayer

47	Black Dragons	5	9	4	1	

147	Warped Terrorbirds	0	0	0	0	

187	Dust Devils	19	14	45	0	

195	Abberant Spectres	18	13	6	14	91 Att/Str/Def

57	Scarabites	1	2	15	0	

58	Goraks		0	0	0	

178	Warped Terrorbirds	0	0	0	0	

158	Gargoyles	11	10	5	12	

197	Warped Terrorbirds	0	0	0	0	

164	Nechryael	18	7	54	1	

156	Abyssal Demons	16	11	48	3	

154	Greater Demons	8	2	31	1	

58	Scarabites	4	1	19	0	91 Range

194	Greater Demons	11	7	48	2	

188	Gargoyles	18	6	16	18	

134	Greater Demons	11	3	30	0	

178	Spiritual Mages	0	0	0	0	

151	Black Demons	30	21	65	5	

149	Abyssal Demons	14	7	46	3	

195	Black Demons	39	21	80	1	

151	Gargoyles	13	8	12	10	

135	Spiritual Mages	0	0	0	0	

7	Mithril Dragons	4	12	8	0	

161	Black Demons	42	24	58	3	

45	Goraks	0	0	0	0	

177	Warped Terrorbirds	0	0	0	0	

42	Goraks	0	0	0	0	

195	Bloodvelds	89	11	8	1	

199	Spiritual Mages	0	0	0	0	90 Slayer

139	Abyssal Demons	19	7	40	1	

42	Black Dragons	4	6	4	1	

143	Dark Beasts	6	9	11	17	

77	Skeletal Wyverns	2	2	100	4	

130	Nechryael	10	4	35	1	95 Hp

145	Fire Giants	74	14	5	1	

146	Abberant Spectres	20	5	2	11	

53	Scarabites	3	1	14	0	

140	Dark Beasts	14	8	12	12	

184	Gargoyles	14	8	12	4	

191	Aquanites	16	11	8	13	

168	Abyssal Demons	17	6	54	3	

73	Scarabites	6	4	20	0	

184	Dark Beasts	16	8	16	28	92 Att/Str/Def

43	Suqah	3	2	3	3	

57	Black Dragons	5	10	5	1	

55	Scarabites	3	2	16	1	

51	Skeletal Wyverns	12	4	54	2	

69	Scarabites	5	6	21	1	

189	Gargoyles	16	9	6	13	

171	Aquanites	6	8	11	15	

139	Warped Terrorbirds	0	0	0	0	

68	Black Dragons	5	14	5	0	

177	Warped Terrorbirds	0	0	0	0	

58	Black Dragons	3	8	3	1	

159	Bloodvelds	66	8	9	0	92 Range

156	Abyssal Demons	15	6	41	2	

157	Aquanites	19	6	5	13	

70	Skeletal Wyverns	16	6	72	0	

4	Mithril Dragons	4	8	0	0	

55	Scarabites	2	4	11	2	

160	Abberant Spectres	28	4	4	8	

135	Aquanites	17	8	7	6	

71	Suqah	8	3	5	5	

48	Goraks	0	0	0	0	

73	Black Dragons	4	16	7	1	

184	Black Demons	39	10	91	3	91 Slayer

199	Aquanites	20	7	11	6	

64	Black Dragons	3	8	9	3	

146	Abberant Spectres	15	8	5	6	

173	Gargoyles	16	14	7	16	

190	Warped Terrorbirds	0	0	0	0	

198	Black Demons	37	27	92	4	

45	Skeletal Wyverns	14	7	36	0	

155	Fire Giants	82	8	4	4	

195	Waterfiends	8	2	155	3	

144	Spiritual Mages	0	0	0	0	96 Hp

4	Mithril Dragons	0	8	0	0	

153	Nechryael	20	6	41	3	

175	Aquanites	21	5	6	10	

166	Spiritual Mages	0	0	0	0	

144	Gargoyles	11	5	8	5	

73	Suqah	6	8	1	2	

176	Abyssal Demons	20	10	50	2	

189	Nechryael	20	7	70	2	

158	Greater Demons	12	5	33	1	

144	Dark Beasts	14	6	9	19	

190	Abyssal Demons	26	17	51	0	

137	Black Demons	22	8	57	2	

198	Gargoyles	17	4	12	16	93 Att/Str/Def

161	Greater Demons	7	6	41	0	

173	Aquanites	13	9	12	11	

74	Scarabites	3	0	24	0	

164	Nechryael	16	4	48	1	

151	Gargoyles	13	7	11	12	

152	Abberant Spectres	18	11	6	9	

199	Gargoyles	11	12	9	16	

65	Goraks	0	0	0	0	

173	Aquanites	15	11	9	10	

196	Waterfiends	15	9	147	3	92 Slayer

175	Abberant Spectres	18	9	9	15	

151	Greater Demons	6	8	38	0	

50	Skeletal Wyverns	4	0	54	0	

135	Warped Terrorbirds	0	0	0	0	

136	Greater Demons	8	4	33	0	

 

If anyone wants to use this data to prove slayer is or isn't a good way of training, go ahead. Just round down the xp values to the nearest round number or something, since just under 100 hours of training still isn't really enough to get reliable data.

[Zaaps1]

viewtopic.php?f=66&t=765267&start=0

 

 

 

This has been debated for 80 pages on this thread and there still is no conclusive answer.

[Nutstraight]

Well.. I'm loving slayer too.

To me, I don't see the point of training combat at monsters, while you can train combat to while doing slayer, it will go a little bit slower.

Slayer gives you a lot of different things, while just training at a monster is always the same..

[zotto]

typically you will hit max melee well before you hit 99 slayer. In fact, it happened for me when I still had a long long way to go till 99 slayer.

 

Hence a great part of slayer experience is accumulated with maxed melee stats and hence is just as efficient if you would first max out and then do slayer.

 

---------

 

In reality Slayer is for me a great skill because it does have a lot of variety to offer. You may claim that it is the same tasks all over again, but new tactics become available when your skills are raised or equipped acquired. In fact, I am constantly experimenting on how to do tasks the best way (what I see as best: balance between cost and speed and enjoyment).

 

The experimentation and constant change in method and approach really does make slayer an enjoyable.

 

I'm aware that some people just read a guide and do whatever it says (I can see it for instance at the dark beasts, where everybody applies the same method, but I do not), but the real joy of slayer is actually the constant refinement of methods.

 

Certainly because at one point you can throw in summoning levels, and ranging into the game.

 

I don't see this how this kind of personal development can be present in just grinding a single skill with the same method.

 

In this sense Slayer really can shine, constant evolution of method and approach, although many don't bother.

[HOSTiLE_KAi]

Slayer is a big waste of time really, nothing special. Unless the exp for each kill is changed (highly unlikely), then this skill remains one of the biggest time wasters.

 

The huge discussion in "Slayer sucks" emphasized so much on time restrains and things, but the fact that it's so hard to follow through makes it meaningless.

 

In the end,

It really comes down to doing it or not. Or is anyone going to?

[bedman]

You are right it does provide the best exp, charms, money toegether, but it is less efficient.

 

 

 

That doesn't make sense.

 

 

 

I don't think it is, the only extra is exp your getting by doing slayer is slayer lol.

It doesn't indeed. If it provides the best xp, charms, money all together, it means it is the most efficiënt. If it isn't the best xp, charms, money together, e.g. there are better ways to get the same xp, charms and money in the same time, then it is less efficiënt by definition.

 

Anyway, I'm not really going to go further into it, but most of the things Pantim is saying seems total [cabbage] to me + he doesn't seem to be able to write more than one line without pressing enter twice,which is very weird at the least.