The Case for Slayer

[Grogthurk]

Many people believe Slayer sucks.

 

 

 

To be honest, I have to disagree.

 

 

 

Many people make the case that experience is awful. I've seen estimates that people can get about 80k CB skill exp an hour and about 40k Slayer exp/h.

 

 

 

120k combined exp/h? Include HP exp/h (not sure of the number you get from HP, I'm so dumb hahah), and that's decent exp/h. Sure it's in 3 different skills, but that's still quite good.

 

 

 

Not to mention, the higher your Slayer, the more monsters you can kill. Eventually you get the cash cows that are Abberant Spectres, Abyssal Demons, Spiritual Mages, Turoths (I average 200k a task from them. Love seeds.) and others.

 

 

 

Some people argue its the only way to train combat (myself included) while others say there are more efficient ways (such as AZ's).

 

 

 

Well I'm just going to have to flat out say no. Sure you'll make some profit at AZ's and the exp is about 100k/h, but you're leveling HP and a combat skill. For slightly lower exp/h (20k, which in my opinion is negligible), you're only leveling easy skills to level.

 

 

 

With slayer, you get 3 skills at once (or 5 if you use whip on controlled like me ) at similar exp rates. Again, I know its slower, but you are leveling many skills at the same time.

 

 

 

 

 

Money? Slayer SHOULD be synonymous to money and to many players it is. It should be to everyone.

 

 

 

I have about 6m in my bank and about 10m in items. When I started as a mem, I only had 600k. Now I have 16m worth of items and 72 Slayer. Sure, not the greatest examples ever, but I haven't even touched the great tasks of Demons or Mages.

 

 

 

I sell many of my herbs, herb seeds. I alch my rune drops...and I make a ton of money doing so.

 

 

 

Charms. I need not say more.

 

 

 

 

 

So what is the main case I am making here?

 

 

 

Slayer is one of the best skills in the game for these reasons:

 

 

 

1.) You train several skills at once, with decent to good exp/h rates.

 

2.) You will profit, as combat skills are one of the few that require very little to start (equipment).

 

3.) Charms. Screw bursting Lobs. Slayer ftw.

[CampbellMC]

Actually the majority of players enjoy slayer, it is one of the most popular stats for members. Your estimate of 40k slayer xp per hour is completely off though, it is approx 15-20k per hour. The slayer experience is 1/4 of the xp in a combat stat, so if you are getting 80k melee xp an hour, that is 20k slayer.

[Grogthurk]

I've read people give an upward of 40k. I myself don't track it (I'm not one for doing that).

 

 

 

With the popularity of AZ's, Bandits and Ape Toll, Slayer tends to get pushed aside.

[Bauke]

Slayer doesn't suck. It's simply a matter of opinion. The fact that the xp isn't the best is totally irrelevant. Slayer isn't ment to give you the fastest combat xp in the game.

[Grogthurk]

I think its the most efficient as far as exp goes by the number of skills leveled at once.

[hihihi727]

You can average 200k an hour at AZ's as well btw, and you don't need to go to your slayer master every task or put up with really bad tasks. But really, its all down to personal preferences.

[Monkeyanniee]

Campbell, ive used piety on tasks and gotten just over 40k an hour.

 

 

 

But normally its 20-30k tops.

 

 

 

But slayer kicks butt. Im making 6-10M each level, and thats with like 1 or 2 whips, no visage or anything yet lol.

[ultimatballr]

Well I have to disagree with you. Slayer in a matter of speaking does "suck" for combat exp.

 

 

 

For one, you say slayer trains more skills at once. You fail to realize though, that if you are going to talk about combat exp than talk about combat skills. The slayer exp and levels gained have nothing to do with the combat exp. So the only thing that actually makes you train more stats is the actual slayer skill. If you train controlled on slayer you level 5 skills if you train controlled without slayer its 4 skills. Slayer is the only difference maker.

 

 

 

Also getting 40k slayer exp, as Campbell has said, would mean you are getting what 160k melee exp. Now think of how much you will have to spend on that 160k melee exp. (which I think is a very long stretch to say you can get 40k slayer exp in an hour) Well in any case, to get said 40k slayer exp what would you really need to do? Piety + cannon every task, and speaking of tasks you would need to get all good tasks for that hour which again is rare. (Even with the ability to block and skip tasks)

 

 

 

Whereas with armoured zombies you pay nothing and gain money for more COMBAT exp for 50k exp/hour less. Now I don't know many people that can afford to piety + cannon every task and if they could I don't even think they would.

 

 

 

So lets recap here:

 

 

 

So what is the main case I am making here?

 

 

 

Slayer is one of the best skills in the game for these reasons:

 

 

 

1.) You train several skills at once, with decent to good exp/h rates.

 

You train the same skills, minus slayer, with better exp rates doing other training methods. So you get better COMBAT experience.

 

 

 

2.) You will profit, as combat skills are one of the few that require very little to start (equipment).

 

You profit at AZ's consistently not based on luck of drops and the equipment you use at AZ's is practically free as most of it can be obtained from a quest Nietz + Prosy. (So some of the most expensive parts of your slayer gear are free)

 

 

 

3.) Charms. Screw bursting Lobs. Slayer ftw.

 

Here I would semi agree with you. Rock lobbies have already been proven a bad way to charm hoard unless you are looking to do summoning in the fastest possible way. However you forget that AZ's also give charms and at a decent rate at that. Not to mention, I personally believe, that they are among the best Blue charm droppers in the game. (I was averaging 15-20 an hour) Also Waterfiends are a faster alternative to slayer and a cheaper alternative to Rock lobbs. Not to mention they give a very nice amount of combat exp to boot.

 

 

 

 

Did I miss anything? Am I wrong to say that 40k slayer exp in an hour is hard pressed, seeing as I can remember some hardcore slayers saying that getting 70k slayer exp in a day was as good as they could hope for? Did I interpret your thread wrong?

[Grogthurk]

My argument is that skillwise (not necessarily combat) that Slayer is the most efficient.

 

 

 

If you 99'd your Combat skills and went back to do Slayer, it would honestly suck so bad. I can't imagine anyone WANTING to do that.

[perfetc]

"1.) You train several skills at once, with decent to good exp/h rates."

 

 

 

1 extra skill.

 

 

 

I can train att, str, def, hp, summoning and prayer all at the same time OR do slayer and get that on top of those previously mentioned.

 

 

 

If your wondering how I train all them at the same time it's a whip on controlled. ;)

[RayOxide]

The people who say slayer sucks are usually the ones who grind every single thing in the game, so usually their opinion isnt that important since they only play to win

 

And usually they lose.

[Grogthurk]

"1.) You train several skills at once, with decent to good exp/h rates."

 

 

 

1 extra skill.

 

 

 

I can train att, str, def, hp, summoning and prayer all at the same time OR do slayer and get that on top of those previously mentioned.

 

 

 

If your wondering how I train all them at the same time it's a whip on controlled. ;)

 

 

 

 

 

I don't mean to be rude but, its almost as if you don't even read the entire thread before you post. Heck, you didn't even read my first post. Its almost rude because you do this to so many threads.

[RayOxide]

I don't mean to be rude but, its almost as if you don't even read the entire thread before you post. Heck, you didn't even read my first post. Its almost rude because you do this to so many threads.

 

 

 

To slightly back him up on what he said;

 

Slayer is almost as pointless as firemaking. The idea of killing things because someoen told you to is stupid. Which is why quests in other mmorpgs are stupid. And getting levels so you can kill more things is also stupid.

 

 

 

My opinion.

 

:roll:

[Grogthurk]

I know, but unlike Firemaking, Slayer unlocks creatures that drop good items, such as the Whip.

 

 

 

Firemaking gives the Inferno Adze

[RayOxide]

I know, but unlike Firemaking, Slayer unlocks creatures that drop good items, such as the Whip.

 

 

 

Firemaking gives the Inferno Adze

 

 

 

Yes, but my point is that Slayer is a pointless skill, however fun it can be in comparison to mindlessly killing the same thing for 2 hours.

 

I mean, you really need a "slayer" level to kill things like Abyssmal* Demons? Or 'Spiritual Mages'? You can kill things higher leveled than them without a slayer level, so thats where Jagex kinda went wrong again imo.

 

But they shouldnt update it 'cause they need to update skills to be more independant and the like

 

*points at my thread*

[perfetc]

I said it as a side note or a correction if you will.

 

 

 

People say you can train aall these skills and list them but you can do all them without slayer, slayer is just an extra 1 skill.

 

 

 

In your last thread you made it was hard to give you what you wanted cos every body was telling you the same thing but you wanted it worded in a certain way.

 

 

 

(the shield thread, I mean)

[nerdboyxxx]

Slayer wasn't meant to be trained for the sole purpose of just training slayer. It is designed for a variant form of combat training, that guarantees you a very nice payout if you manage to get it to 99. Honestly? Slayer is a great skill if you train it with combat. But if you have maxed range, all combat skills, and even mage (:|) then there really is no incentive to train it.

 

 

 

Also, it all comes down to the slayer tasks you get and the slayer master you use (I just go with the best one I can use :P).

[Jeffwilson99]

Many people believe Slayer sucks.

 

 

 

Well to end this argument straight away, your first premise is incorrect, therefore, your argument is invalid.

[Sir_Squab]

I don't mean to be rude but, its almost as if you don't even read the entire thread before you post. Heck, you didn't even read my first post. Its almost rude because you do this to so many threads.

 

 

 

To slightly back him up on what he said;

 

Slayer is almost as pointless as firemaking. The idea of killing things because someoen told you to is stupid. Which is why quests in other mmorpgs are stupid. And getting levels so you can kill more things is also stupid.

 

 

 

My opinion.

 

:roll:

 

 

 

You know, if you look at it that way, most skills are stupid...wc....skills like smithing are stupid in a sense, as smithing hundreds of say steel platebodies would not help you learn how to make arrows out of adamant, and most have that same type of flaw. How does crafting yew long bows teach me how to craft magic short bows? The best way to learn that, other then being taught by the fletching master, would be to take magic logs and fletch them until I perfect my technique.

 

 

 

I could go on...

 

 

 

But it's a MMORPG. What do you expect?

 

 

 

Anyways, slayer is still a popular skill. It's just many people want maxed combat really fast, and to do that you can't train slayer at the same time. A certain view is that at maxed combat slayer is a hell of a lot easier. And if you get maxed combat, you can find much better gw teams, with drops worth more then a whip, you might be able to solo gw, you can pk a lot better. And many people like it for the variety. But, it's a game with over a milion players. You can't please everyone. Some of them will go to AZs for reasons previously mentioned.

 

 

 

Not trying to put slayer down mind you. It's a nice skill. I only wish I had 78 right now lol. But w/e.

[RayOxide]

I don't mean to be rude but, its almost as if you don't even read the entire thread before you post. Heck, you didn't even read my first post. Its almost rude because you do this to so many threads.

 

 

 

To slightly back him up on what he said;

 

Slayer is almost as pointless as firemaking. The idea of killing things because someoen told you to is stupid. Which is why quests in other mmorpgs are stupid. And getting levels so you can kill more things is also stupid.

 

 

 

My opinion.

 

:roll:

 

 

 

You know, if you look at it that way, most skills are stupid...wc....skills like smithing are stupid in a sense, as smithing hundreds of say steel platebodies would not help you learn how to make arrows out of adamant, and most have that same type of flaw. How does crafting yew long bows teach me how to craft magic short bows? The best way to learn that, other then being taught by the fletching master, would be to take magic logs and fletch them until I perfect my technique.

 

 

 

Exactly. You dont need half these things because the market is destroyed, because buyable skills are easier.

 

Not to mention killing monsters garners alot of the stuff you get from skills.

 

Read my thread :o

[0p3r4tor]

If your out to get a 99 ASAP then slayer isn't something you would choose. Slayer is under rated by some, it provides what i rate as good combat experience, plus you gain a valuable source of income while training, on top of that you get its most worthy asset, variety. You aren't training on one single monster for millions of exp, your moving around, trying new things and as you go unlocking great training spots which even while not training slayer, provide great money. Comparing 70k per hour doing slayer + all of the above with 100k per hour - all of the above, slayer wins by far

[Troacctid]

If your out to get a 99 ASAP then slayer isn't something you would choose. Slayer is under rated by some, it provides what i rate as good combat experience, plus you gain a valuable source of income while training, on top of that you get its most worthy asset, variety. You aren't training on one single monster for millions of exp, your moving around, trying new things and as you go unlocking great training spots which even while not training slayer, provide great money. Comparing 70k per hour doing slayer + all of the above with 100k per hour - all of the above, slayer wins by far

 

I don't know why so much is made of this "variety" thing. It kind of falls apart once you get to a high level and you know the monsters. Then it's just the same routine, just like any other skill. You're basically just saying "I like doing slayer tasks," which is all well and good, but it has no pertinence as to whether or not slayer is an efficient training method. I like fishing sharks, but I'm sure as hell not going to claim that they're a great way to make money.

[perfetc]

it provides what i rate as good combat experience

 

 

 

How?

 

 

 

You can get better exp per hour at alot of ther places cos you don't have to leave, if your not botherd about slayer then there are quicker ways to max combat stats.

[Inuashakent]

Btw to those saying lobs suck, it doens't. I did the math, 700k/hour lobs>wfiends, and if you calculate the mage xp at 3:1 magic to melee, its ~230k/hour.

 

 

 

Math was done a while ago, but it still stands somewhat.

[0p3r4tor]

Comparing the exp with all i mentioned i rate it as good, sacrificing the experience for all those things to me, is well worth it. Yes you can get alot more xp per hour doing other things, but most dont provide variety. Maybe its just me, but i dont enjoy killing one thing for days straight with only an experience reward, its nice to be able to earn money and experience in other skills on the side