The N-word, is it actually offensive?

[VEGHATERMEATLOVER]

 

I honestly don't give a [bleep] that black people were slaves a couple hundred years back, I think it was bad, but I don't think just because they were slaves means we have to treat them differently.

 

 

Or rather, it sucks that the blacks were enslaved back then, but you're not one of those that got enslaved.

 

Harrinator you can only see things from you'd point of view. Your closed

 

minded and wrong aswell. Deathdrow didn't say that he was glad he wasn't one enslaved. He also has a good point and you need to learn to respect other peoples opinions. Deathdrow is saying that because those people were made slaves 100 years ago it doesn't mean that the future generations of these people who didn't suffer are suddenly people who are offended by anything, blacks have it quite niceley really. Any crime against them is a hate crime. They can act offended and to be honest. They go an earn respect!

 

 

 

Also isn't N a corruption of Negroe. I would be offended if someone called me caucey because of my race.

[Lionheart_0]

Anyone here that are heavily defending the use of the word, I want you to go to brand all your clothes with Swastikas. The Nazi style ones, not the Hindu ones. Put it on your cars, put it as a flag on your front lawn.

 

 

 

Tell me history is worthless and means nothing then.

 

 

 

(For bonus points, do it at school or your place of work. Just draw it anywhere.)

[gauper_kid]

 

 

 

Also isn't N a corruption of Negroe. I would be offended if someone called me caucey because of my race.

 

You would? I would just laugh.

[Rainy_Day]

We had to study the word in English Language (randomly albeit). It was just decided that the word was taken by black people as a friendly term to revoke it from white persons. Almost as a way of 'disarming' us of the taboo word. It's still offensive for us to say it, and I generally frown upon anyone who uses it as its roots aren't pleasant in any manner.

[Bauke]

 

It does make sense. If their ancestors had something terrible happen to them and you're just cracking jokes about it of course you would be offended.

 

 

No.

 

 

I think the bottom line though is if you aren't black you really just don't know. (I'm not black either). You shouldn't question why something is offensive, you should just try and honor it and not be a [bleep].

 

Oh, so I'm excluded because I'm white? Once again, that's racism. I'm not going to honor something like that.

 

 

 

Anyone here that are heavily defending the use of the word, I want you to go to brand all your clothes with Swastikas. The Nazi style ones, not the Hindu ones. Put it on your cars, put it as a flag on your front lawn.

 

 

 

Tell me history is worthless and means nothing then.

 

 

 

(For bonus points, do it at school or your place of work. Just draw it anywhere.)

 

 

 

If it had no consequences, I'd do it without a problem. I wasn't there during WW2 so the world could be one big swastika for all I care. PERSONALLY, I have no feelings towards it. Though, knowing what it represents, and knowing that the person that would do such a thing would most likely defend the fact that millions of jews were killed, I'd frown upon it. But the symbol in itself? /care.

[Riku3220]

On a side note... in my country, I've seen black people that wanted to be financially compensated by the Dutch government, because their ancestors were enslaved. Disgusting. I guess some people will just abuse the history for their benefit.

 

I do plan on taking any scholarships/discounts/whatever I can because of my skin color. It'd be stupid to not take it!

 

 

 

I don't see a problem with the word. Maybe people who are older than 35 have a true right to take offence to the word but anyone under are usually the ones calling each other that. I don't really give a damn if someone calls me the N-word.

[Nadril]

 

It does make sense. If their ancestors had something terrible happen to them and you're just cracking jokes about it of course you would be offended.

 

 

No.

 

 

I think the bottom line though is if you aren't black you really just don't know. (I'm not black either). You shouldn't question why something is offensive, you should just try and honor it and not be a [bleep].

 

Oh, so I'm excluded because I'm white? Once again, that's racism. I'm not going to honor something like that.

 

 

 

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I thought it was obvious that it would go both ways. If someone is deeply offended by something and you keep pushing it it's sort of a [bleep] thing to do. Stop being [developmentally delayed]ed and trying to read my post in a way to go against me.

[champion]

blacks have it quite niceley really. Any crime against them is a hate crime. They can act offended and to be honest. They go an earn respect!

 

What the hell planet are you living on?

 

 

 

 

 

Also isn't N a corruption of Negroe. I would be offended if someone called me caucey because of my race.

 

Why?

[VEGHATERMEATLOVER]

 

 

 

Also isn't N a corruption of Negroe. I would be offended if someone called me caucey because of my race.

 

You would? I would just laugh.

 

I meant wouldn't, stupid iPhone.

[Omar]

 

Harrinator you can only see things from you'd point of view. Your closed

 

minded and wrong aswell. Deathdrow didn't say that he was glad he wasn't one enslaved. He also has a good point and you need to learn to respect other peoples opinions. Deathdrow is saying that because those people were made slaves 100 years ago it doesn't mean that the future generations of these people who didn't suffer are suddenly people who are offended by anything, blacks have it quite niceley really. Any crime against them is a hate crime. They can act offended and to be honest. They go an earn respect!

 

 

I agree with deathdrow, by you I meant black people. My bad, I didn't phrase it right. But I think I respect other people's opinions, I don't see how arguing is disrespectful, especially on a forum, on a debate topic.

 

2424th post, on a side note.

[Bauke]

 

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I thought it was obvious that it would go both ways. If someone is deeply offended by something and you keep pushing it it's sort of a [bleep] thing to do. Stop being [developmentally delayed] and trying to read my post in a way to go against me.

 

Yeah, "would". I've seen no example of that.

 

 

 

But I see you've run out of arguments since you're starting to get personal.

 

 

 

You probably see it as not a nice thing to do. Well I don't care, since I've grown up in a place were I've been taught to see people with other skin colours as my peers, and therefore don't see why I can't use certain words while people from other races can. It's been a few hundred years ago. Nobody has witnessed it, nobody experienced.. we all just know because it's in the books. Get over yourself and stop playing the victim. Or, if you still blame whites for the enslavery of the blacks.. well, congratulations, you are now free to take the boat back to Africa.

[mlclm]

It does make sense. If their ancestors had something terrible happen to them and you're just cracking jokes about it of course you would be offended.

 

I wouldn't be offended and, quite frankly, I think it's idiotic that anyone would. It happened over 100 years ago, no one is still alive who went through it. Just because my great-great-great grandfather owned a slave that doesn't mean that I should be paying for it. Just like it doesn't make sense to punish a murderer's children and their children, it doesn't make sense to punish us for something that was hundreds of years before we existed. Blacks need to get the [bleep] over it. Besides, it wasn't the whites who started the slave trade. Africans had a well established slave trade within their own tribes and started selling some to whites.

 

 

 

I think the bottom line though is if you aren't black you really just don't know. (I'm not black either). You shouldn't question why something is offensive, you should just try and honor it and not be a [bleep].

 

OK, how about a bunch of whites band together and say that the world "bed" deeply offends us. If anyone says it, we can beat the hell out of them, because it reminded us of the troubles our ancestors had.

[Riku3220]

 

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I thought it was obvious that it would go both ways. If someone is deeply offended by something and you keep pushing it it's sort of a [bleep] thing to do. Stop being [developmentally delayed] and trying to read my post in a way to go against me.

 

Yeah, "would". I've seen no example of that.

 

 

 

But I see you've run out of arguments since you're starting to get personal.

 

 

 

You probably see it as not a nice thing to do. Well I don't care, since I've grown up in a place were I've been taught to see people with other skin colours as my peers, and therefore don't see why I can't use certain words while people from other races can. It's been a few hundred years ago. Nobody has witnessed it, nobody experienced.. we all just know because it's in the books. Get over yourself and stop playing the victim. Or, if you still blame whites for the enslavery of the blacks.. well, congratulations, you are now free to take the boat back to Africa.

 

Why do you want to use the word so badly? Just because somebody else used it you want to? Come on man! You sound like the kid who complains about the other children's ice cream being bigger except you have less of a reason. You have no reason to call somebody you don't know the N-word except to insult them.

[Lionheart_0]

 

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I thought it was obvious that it would go both ways. If someone is deeply offended by something and you keep pushing it it's sort of a [bleep] thing to do. Stop being [developmentally delayed] and trying to read my post in a way to go against me.

 

Yeah, "would". I've seen no example of that.

 

 

 

But I see you've run out of arguments since you're starting to get personal.

 

 

 

You probably see it as not a nice thing to do. Well I don't care, since I've grown up in a place were I've been taught to see people with other skin colours as my peers, and therefore don't see why I can't use certain words while people from other races can. It's been a few hundred years ago. Nobody has witnessed it, nobody experienced.. we all just know because it's in the books. Get over yourself and stop playing the victim. Or, if you still blame whites for the enslavery of the blacks.. well, congratulations, you are now free to take the boat back to Africa.

 

Why do you want to use the word so badly? Just because somebody else used it you want to? Come on man! You sound like the kid who complains about the other children's ice cream being bigger except you have less of a reason. You have no reason to call somebody you don't know the N-word except to insult them.

 

 

 

 

 

Riku hit it on the head. In the end, why are you evening debating about this. Just don't say the word. Simple.

[The Observer]

it's only offensive if you think of it in a bad way, or you use it to try to degrade someone for being black.

 

 

 

I agree here. But to be honest, I wouldn't use it at all. If someone finds it offensive, then just don't use it.

[mlclm]

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I thought it was obvious that it would go both ways. If someone is deeply offended by something and you keep pushing it it's sort of a [bleep] thing to do. Stop being [developmentally delayed] and trying to read my post in a way to go against me.

 

Yeah, "would". I've seen no example of that.

 

 

 

But I see you've run out of arguments since you're starting to get personal.

 

 

 

You probably see it as not a nice thing to do. Well I don't care, since I've grown up in a place were I've been taught to see people with other skin colours as my peers, and therefore don't see why I can't use certain words while people from other races can. It's been a few hundred years ago. Nobody has witnessed it, nobody experienced.. we all just know because it's in the books. Get over yourself and stop playing the victim. Or, if you still blame whites for the enslavery of the blacks.. well, congratulations, you are now free to take the boat back to Africa.

 

Why do you want to use the word so badly? Just because somebody else used it you want to? Come on man! You sound like the kid who complains about the other children's ice cream being bigger except you have less of a reason. You have no reason to call somebody you don't know the N-word except to insult them.

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Riku hit it on the head. In the end, why are you evening debating about this. Just don't say the word. Simple.

 

That's not the point. It's completely idiotic that the word is even deemed offensive today. If I was offended by the word "soap" and said that no one could say it, I'm sure someone would call me on my [cabbage]. That's all I'm doing.

[Rainy_Day]

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I thought it was obvious that it would go both ways. If someone is deeply offended by something and you keep pushing it it's sort of a [bleep] thing to do. Stop being [developmentally delayed] and trying to read my post in a way to go against me.

 

Yeah, "would". I've seen no example of that.

 

 

 

But I see you've run out of arguments since you're starting to get personal.

 

 

 

You probably see it as not a nice thing to do. Well I don't care, since I've grown up in a place were I've been taught to see people with other skin colours as my peers, and therefore don't see why I can't use certain words while people from other races can. It's been a few hundred years ago. Nobody has witnessed it, nobody experienced.. we all just know because it's in the books. Get over yourself and stop playing the victim. Or, if you still blame whites for the enslavery of the blacks.. well, congratulations, you are now free to take the boat back to Africa.

 

Why do you want to use the word so badly? Just because somebody else used it you want to? Come on man! You sound like the kid who complains about the other children's ice cream being bigger except you have less of a reason. You have no reason to call somebody you don't know the N-word except to insult them.

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Riku hit it on the head. In the end, why are you evening debating about this. Just don't say the word. Simple.

 

That's not the point. It's completely idiotic that the word is even deemed offensive today. If I was offended by the word "soap" and said that no one could say it, I'm sure someone would call me on my [cabbage]. That's all I'm doing.

 

 

 

'Soap' doesn't have a deep-rooted racist meaning to it though, does it?

[champion]

t's completely idiotic that the word is even deemed offensive today. If I was offended by the word "soap" and said that no one could say it, I'm sure someone would call me on my [cabbage]. That's all I'm doing.

 

Maybe because "soap" doesn't have historical negative connotations used to demean people.

 

 

 

Edit: Rainy gets it.

[mlclm]

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I thought it was obvious that it would go both ways. If someone is deeply offended by something and you keep pushing it it's sort of a [bleep] thing to do. Stop being [developmentally delayed] and trying to read my post in a way to go against me.

 

Yeah, "would". I've seen no example of that.

 

 

 

But I see you've run out of arguments since you're starting to get personal.

 

 

 

You probably see it as not a nice thing to do. Well I don't care, since I've grown up in a place were I've been taught to see people with other skin colours as my peers, and therefore don't see why I can't use certain words while people from other races can. It's been a few hundred years ago. Nobody has witnessed it, nobody experienced.. we all just know because it's in the books. Get over yourself and stop playing the victim. Or, if you still blame whites for the enslavery of the blacks.. well, congratulations, you are now free to take the boat back to Africa.

 

Why do you want to use the word so badly? Just because somebody else used it you want to? Come on man! You sound like the kid who complains about the other children's ice cream being bigger except you have less of a reason. You have no reason to call somebody you don't know the N-word except to insult them.

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Riku hit it on the head. In the end, why are you evening debating about this. Just don't say the word. Simple.

 

That's not the point. It's completely idiotic that the word is even deemed offensive today. If I was offended by the word "soap" and said that no one could say it, I'm sure someone would call me on my [cabbage]. That's all I'm doing.

 

 

 

'Soap' doesn't have a deep-rooted racist meaning to it though, does it?

 

Maybe it does. Maybe my ancestors were called "soap" because of their white skin. Everyone should respect my wishes because it offends me to hear it and I get very angry.

[Riku3220]

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I thought it was obvious that it would go both ways. If someone is deeply offended by something and you keep pushing it it's sort of a [bleep] thing to do. Stop being [developmentally delayed] and trying to read my post in a way to go against me.

 

Yeah, "would". I've seen no example of that.

 

 

 

But I see you've run out of arguments since you're starting to get personal.

 

 

 

You probably see it as not a nice thing to do. Well I don't care, since I've grown up in a place were I've been taught to see people with other skin colours as my peers, and therefore don't see why I can't use certain words while people from other races can. It's been a few hundred years ago. Nobody has witnessed it, nobody experienced.. we all just know because it's in the books. Get over yourself and stop playing the victim. Or, if you still blame whites for the enslavery of the blacks.. well, congratulations, you are now free to take the boat back to Africa.

 

Why do you want to use the word so badly? Just because somebody else used it you want to? Come on man! You sound like the kid who complains about the other children's ice cream being bigger except you have less of a reason. You have no reason to call somebody you don't know the N-word except to insult them.

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Riku hit it on the head. In the end, why are you evening debating about this. Just don't say the word. Simple.

 

That's not the point. It's completely idiotic that the word is even deemed offensive today. If I was offended by the word "soap" and said that no one could say it, I'm sure someone would call me on my [cabbage]. That's all I'm doing.

 

 

 

'Soap' doesn't have a deep-rooted racist meaning to it though, does it?

 

Maybe it does. Maybe my ancestors were called "soap" because of their white skin. Everyone should respect my wishes because it offends me to hear it and I get very angry.

 

Got proof? A journal declaring their hardships? A letter to home stating how miserable they are? I'd call BS on that even if it sounded legit.

[Rainy_Day]

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I thought it was obvious that it would go both ways. If someone is deeply offended by something and you keep pushing it it's sort of a [bleep] thing to do. Stop being [developmentally delayed] and trying to read my post in a way to go against me.

 

Yeah, "would". I've seen no example of that.

 

 

 

But I see you've run out of arguments since you're starting to get personal.

 

 

 

You probably see it as not a nice thing to do. Well I don't care, since I've grown up in a place were I've been taught to see people with other skin colours as my peers, and therefore don't see why I can't use certain words while people from other races can. It's been a few hundred years ago. Nobody has witnessed it, nobody experienced.. we all just know because it's in the books. Get over yourself and stop playing the victim. Or, if you still blame whites for the enslavery of the blacks.. well, congratulations, you are now free to take the boat back to Africa.

 

Why do you want to use the word so badly? Just because somebody else used it you want to? Come on man! You sound like the kid who complains about the other children's ice cream being bigger except you have less of a reason. You have no reason to call somebody you don't know the N-word except to insult them.

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Riku hit it on the head. In the end, why are you evening debating about this. Just don't say the word. Simple.

 

That's not the point. It's completely idiotic that the word is even deemed offensive today. If I was offended by the word "soap" and said that no one could say it, I'm sure someone would call me on my [cabbage]. That's all I'm doing.

 

 

 

'Soap' doesn't have a deep-rooted racist meaning to it though, does it?

 

Maybe it does. Maybe my ancestors were called "soap" because of their white skin. Everyone should respect my wishes because it offends me to hear it and I get very angry.

 

 

 

I can't even fathom this argument. Probably for the fact that soap was not used as an offensive term? I dare say that is.

[Bauke]

 

Why do you want to use the word so badly? Just because somebody else used it you want to? Come on man! You sound like the kid who complains about the other children's ice cream being bigger except you have less of a reason. You have no reason to call somebody you don't know the N-word except to insult them.

 

I don't want to use it. I want to know why there's a difference between black and white when that word is used. I thought that was clear. Don't make any assumption otherwise.

[Da Pirates]

Imo it all depends on what society says is the "right and wrong" times to say it. If it's a black guy saying it in a rap song no one will get mad at all but if it is a white kid who tries to preach white power with that word then yes it's offensive.

[Lateralus]

Words that are used to insult or offend are adopted by the groups they're used against all the time. 'Suffragette' and 'Tory' are both examples of this.

 

 

 

The 'n-word' still offends people because we're still in a transitional period. Black people might have more or less equal rights now, but that doesn't mean they're treated the same - some people still genuinely see them as inferior. The fact that governments have taken steps like Affirmative Action show quite plainly that things have not settled down yet. People say 'African American' because they think 'black' might be offensive. You think this society is ready for any useful discussion about the 'n-word'?

 

 

 

By all means, if you need to say the word then do it. The only time I'd ever find myself reaching for it would be in a discussion on this very topic, or segregation, or maybe even a general discussion of language. There is no reason for you to call a black person a [racist term].

[mlclm]

I'm not arguing that soap offends me. I'm (attempting) to show you how ridiculous it is that blacks hate the word [racist term] so much. It wasn't us that used it. It wasn't them who were forced into hard labor. Saying a specific word offends you because it was used against your ancestors is a [cabbage] reason.