Fansite Support (Re-launch)

[mega_vegeta6]

There is more to it than that, however I am not allowed to say. I can assure you that nothing sinister is going on and it's very "behind the scenes". Jagex are not going to make us change actual content on our site, they're not going to get us to censor posts they don't like or anything like that.

 

Yes, removing advertising for other games is part of it, however it's not the full story. As Peter said, we should be Platinum soon and then maybe people can stop complaining.

It isn't about wether tip it has platinum or not. It's about why we were ranked below rhq and sals from the beginning.

 

Exactly, this is a direct snub and I think I speak for everyone when I say that I would like the know why its happening.

Page 6, please.

[Sentry_Wolf]

Agreed, despite all that has been said, I think we all do appreciate in our own subtle ways that Hohbein has taken the time out to give us a Jagex-stance in this situation. I also believe we all thank our Administrative Team to reply to our concerns and I am heartening agreeing with Das that its wonderful to show how much Tip.it Pride there is in our community.

 

On an attempted Objective view to the Advertisement Debates, from Jagex and the Admin's to the Users of Tip.it, there is valid points from both oppositions and I believe its one that neither side will ever be able to agree on, at least there will always be some people who disagree. I still have my own opinion that I find it rather silly on that there is an act of advertisement censorship, but I can understand Jagex on why they feel the need for this.

 

It also right to say I think, that it is a little over hostile, we have nothing to worry about for the moment but I can also guarantee myself hopping on the bandwagon for revenge if there are any hidden agendas attempted to put into play. But for now I will enjoy the purposed benefits that are coming into play.

 

Even though it may not be the best thing in your eyes (I detested it at first, even though I'm still highly spectacle of the system I'm slowly growing to accept that it will be there - not that it will dramatically change our lives either.) you might as well count your blessings. I don't really understand how Tip.it removing other gaming adverts classifies them as sell-outs? Yes, I may think its a bit silly, but its not a cry for Jagex support either. It's a small 'price' to pay so we can be discussed in-game, whats the problem with that? It's Admins trying to fight for our rights, not go against us. :)

 

Personally I do hope we get to see Jagex Employees posting around here more often, it would be kind of cool to see explanations for new gaming content which we might debate over X and Y problems. If I also dare ask Hohbein, I am a little confused on the adverts that can be found on the RuneScape Website which can be a different game. (World of Warcraft, I also dare take as an example.)

 

I was also wrong to nearly bash sites for saying why they should or should not be Platinum for their use of advertisements. RuneHQ have a great site full of content and I always loved Sals homely and nostalgic flare it really is heartwarming. While I can understand Zybez not being up their in the ranks, it is also a shame and it is a genuine pity that they can't be noticed. :(

[Me_Hate_Libs]

Honest here - how many people complaining about advertisements being removed for games use Adblock?

 

Me, and I'm not complaining. I'm happy with whatever the Admins want.

 

Ah way to not have an opinion and believe what you're told. Let me ask, do you vote Democrat too? :rolleyes:

 

Yes, because if you vote democrat you're not capable of critical thought. Let's not drag politics into this, yeah? It's really not pertinent to the discussion at all.

 

Well, both sides have droves of people that tell them how to vote. It was just a cheeky joke mostly. I don't want to deleve into the realm of politics. Both sides have mindless sheep. I said Dems because a large portion vote Democratic as they get more out of it, i.e. Social Security, Food Stamps, Welfare, and other handouts. This is much the same as Tip doing what they're told for the extra perks. That's why I said Dems because it better resembled the situation. I personally vote Libertarian most of the time.

 

Anyway, since we sold out, can I ask what we're getting out of it? Is Hob posting here one of the benefits? :thumbup:

 

And Pure, I went out of my way to asking W_13 about it and that's basically the answer he gave me. Now I admit that I paraphrased it in my own way, but that's the way it was summed up. I said earlier that I wouldn't go more into it untul I knew more about it. I went out of my way to find out more. I did my homework. I'm not talking out of my butt here.

[das]

Lets NOT bring politics in this.

 

~Das

 

Registered Independent because I believe whoever blindly follows either party is sheep :P

[rangeor]

You guys are acting like toddlers. This isn't at all an overthrow of the admin's power over tip.it, and tip.it didn't "sell out." Jagex asked us to remove some ads for an understandable financial cause, and we complied. THAT'S IT. Stop being dramatic.

[Big_Stingman]

Sal's is a little more user friendly I think in my opinion, at least their guides are. That doesn't mean they are better though, I love that Tip.it goes into details in their quest guides and skill guides. It really helps me.

As for new players, Sal's is a great website (Tip.it is too of course :)).

 

Still, Tip.it is champion of MSSW so we should be Diamond or something.

[Wizz]

Actually Zybez has been blacklisted for not falling to their knees in worship of the almighty Jagex and not doing what they were told to do.

 

Actually, no they weren't blacklisted for that.

 

While I can't go into details, you do not have all of the information about that, and making statements like that when you don't have the evidence to back it up is quite silly.

 

I believe the first post is sufficient evidence.

[MageUK]

Actually Zybez has been blacklisted for not falling to their knees in worship of the almighty Jagex and not doing what they were told to do.

 

Actually, no they weren't blacklisted for that.

 

While I can't go into details, you do not have all of the information about that, and making statements like that when you don't have the evidence to back it up is quite silly.

 

I believe the first post is sufficient evidence.

 

Because the post from ONE of the involved parties is compelling, unbiased evidence.

[Guthorm]

You guys are acting like toddlers. This isn't at all an overthrow of the admin's power over tip.it, and tip.it didn't at all "sell out." Jagex asked us to remove some ads for an understandable financial cause, and we complied. THAT'S IT. Stop being dramatic.

 

I know that Jagex will never have total control over Tip nor am I worried about it. I am more interested to wonder how much "financial issue" is this really causing to Jagex. Surely not enough to give less support to a fan site over it I would assume.

[qeltar]

Actually Zybez has been blacklisted for not falling to their knees in worship of the almighty Jagex and not doing what they were told to do.

 

Actually, no they weren't blacklisted for that.

Hyperbole aside, yeah, they pretty much were.

[Wizz]

You guys are acting like toddlers. This isn't at all an overthrow of the admin's power over tip.it, and tip.it didn't "sell out." Jagex asked us to remove some ads for an understandable financial cause, and we complied. THAT'S IT. Stop being dramatic.

Jagex did not just ask to remove some ads, oh no that would be to trivial. But rather they asked for complete control of the ad's in exchange for some "perks".

[Jaded]

Just wanted to chime in that Tip.It does NOT need Jagex' blessing...er, ranking...the site stands up on its own merits. People already know about the site and more are introduced everyday through word of mouth advertising.

 

If Jagex wants to control off-site advertising, how do they expect owners to pay for bandwith? "Hello Mastercard? Do you accept 'love of the game' as payment?"

 

I would think for a site and community like Zybez, it's a mark of prestige NOT to be chosen by Jagex. If only so they can say they stood up to The Man :thumbsup:

[BeNiceOk]

Honest here - how many people complaining about advertisements being removed for games use Adblock?

 

I doubt anybody here actually cares about removing the ads itself, to be honest less ads=good. The problem most of us are having is that Tip.it has to give much a portion of its income in order to receive Jagex support(thus indirectly letting Jagex taking control). Now I doubt Jagex will one day completely take over Tip, it is just annoying to see something so trivial can cause a website to lose support.

 

Ya I don't mind the ad removal at all. Infact I think its a good thing. Heck, I'd prefer if Jagex just payed Tipit and removed all the ads and replaced them with Runescape only ads. I have no problem with that.

 

My question (or worry) is that if content on this fan-site will be treated as content that is produced in-game. I joke about things on this forum from time to time that would likley earn me a mute in-game if taken out of context. It has not happened yet, but would fear that it could happen in the future.

 

DarkDude98 assured to me this would not be the case (ref page 4) and I will take his word for it, but do the other Admin's feel the same way? My question to Mod Hohbein is if he intends to treat content said on fansites as content said ingame or on Runescape Forums in the future?

 

I think this agreement is overall positive, I just have worries that it could turn negative for the community as a whole if it advances past a certain point.

 

Answered on previous page(s). Posts go to fast for me to type :(

[Den]

I have a feeling people arent reading this thread and just posting stuff which was cleared up pages before. :P (Some people it seems like anyway)

 

Jagex dont want wow/pirate puzzle/evony ads on a Runescape Fansite. Is that such a damn big deal? Its not like anyone ever clicked them anyway.

I couldnt stand those pirate puzzle pop up ads and personaly, im glad they're gone.

 

The admins have said WHY they changed the ads, Hohbein actually posted here with information. Right now it just looks like people are whining over something which will be sorted out in a few weeks once Jagex have looked over the ads.

 

Can we leave it at that? Its not that big of an **** deal. <_<

 

(Yes, i blocked my bad words.)

[Wizz]

Honest here - how many people complaining about advertisements being removed for games use Adblock?

 

I doubt anybody here actually cares about removing the ads itself, to be honest less ads=good. The problem most of us are having is that Tip.it has to give much a portion of its income in order to receive Jagex support(thus indirectly letting Jagex taking control). Now I doubt Jagex will one day completely take over Tip, it is just annoying to see something so trivial can cause a website to lose support.

 

Ya I don't mind the ad removal at all. Infact I think its a good thing. Heck, I'd prefer if Jagex just payed Tipit and removed all the ads and replaced them with Runescape only ads. I have no problem with that.

 

My question (or worry) is that if content on this fan-site will be treated as content that is produced in-game. I joke about things on this forum from time to time that would likley earn me a mute in-game if taken out of context. It has not happened yet, but would fear that it could happen in the future.

 

DarkDude98 assured to me this would not be the case (ref page 4) and I will take his word for it, but do the other Admin's feel the same way? I would like to know if Mod Hohbein intends to treat content said on fansites as content said ingame or on Runescape Forums?

 

I think this agreement is overall positive, I just have worries that it could turn negative for the community as a whole if it advances past a certain point.

Yes, but the proposal Jagex ask could be less/more than at what we are now.

Actually thinking now, that's a piece of evidence I don't have.....

 

 

EDIT: Das, if your reading this could you please answer me this question.

Is Jagex proposal better then what we have now?

[Guthorm]

Honest here - how many people complaining about advertisements being removed for games use Adblock?

 

I doubt anybody here actually cares about removing the ads itself, to be honest less ads=good. The problem most of us are having is that Tip.it has to give much a portion of its income in order to receive Jagex support(thus indirectly letting Jagex taking control). Now I doubt Jagex will one day completely take over Tip, it is just annoying to see something so trivial can cause a website to lose support.

 

Ya I don't mind the ad removal at all. Infact I think its a good thing. Heck, I'd prefer if Jagex just payed Tipit and removed all the ads and replaced them with Runescape only ads. I have no problem with that.

 

My question (or worry) is that if content on this fan-site will be treated as content that is produced in-game. I joke about things on this forum from time to time that would likley earn me a mute in-game if taken out of context. It has not happened yet, but would fear that it could happen in the future.

 

DarkDude98 assured to me this would not be the case (ref page 4) and I will take his word for it, but do the other Admin's feel the same way? I would like to know if Mod Hohbein intends to treat content said on fansites as content said ingame or on Runescape Forums?

 

I think this agreement is overall positive, I just have worries that it could turn negative for the community as a whole if it advances past a certain point.

 

I am wondering the same thing about in game restrictions. Obviously as gamers we do not play only one game, if we wish to talk about other games(whatever it maybe), will we be muted because of this? Because really, players talking about other games in Runescape will probably have the same effect as players seeing gaming adverts on fan sites.

[Me_Hate_Libs]

While I still don't like the whole thing between Tip and Jagex, much of my hostility about this comes from their treatment of Zybez.

 

As far as selling out goes, I think Tip totally low balled themselves.

[rangeor]

You guys are acting like toddlers. This isn't at all an overthrow of the admin's power over tip.it, and tip.it didn't "sell out." Jagex asked us to remove some ads for an understandable financial cause, and we complied. THAT'S IT. Stop being dramatic.

Jagex did not just ask to remove some ads, oh no that would be to trivial. But rather they asked for complete control of the ad's in exchange for some "perks".

Is that really such a bad thing? I don't see this as being a slippery slope at all. How will you personally be hurt by Jagex deciding what is advertised on the website?

[Wizz]

Honest here - how many people complaining about advertisements being removed for games use Adblock?

 

I doubt anybody here actually cares about removing the ads itself, to be honest less ads=good. The problem most of us are having is that Tip.it has to give much a portion of its income in order to receive Jagex support(thus indirectly letting Jagex taking control). Now I doubt Jagex will one day completely take over Tip, it is just annoying to see something so trivial can cause a website to lose support.

 

Ya I don't mind the ad removal at all. Infact I think its a good thing. Heck, I'd prefer if Jagex just payed Tipit and removed all the ads and replaced them with Runescape only ads. I have no problem with that.

 

My question (or worry) is that if content on this fan-site will be treated as content that is produced in-game. I joke about things on this forum from time to time that would likley earn me a mute in-game if taken out of context. It has not happened yet, but would fear that it could happen in the future.

 

DarkDude98 assured to me this would not be the case (ref page 4) and I will take his word for it, but do the other Admin's feel the same way? I would like to know if Mod Hohbein intends to treat content said on fansites as content said ingame or on Runescape Forums?

 

I think this agreement is overall positive, I just have worries that it could turn negative for the community as a whole if it advances past a certain point.

 

I am wondering the same thing about in game restrictions. Obviously as gamers we do not play only one game, if we wish to talk about other games(whatever it maybe), will we be muted because of this? Because really, players talking about other games in Runescape will probably have the same effect as players seeing gaming adverts on fan sites.

Whoa whoa whoa. NOW that is too much power to Jagex! I would be pissed off they can do that.

 

You guys are acting like toddlers. This isn't at all an overthrow of the admin's power over tip.it, and tip.it didn't "sell out." Jagex asked us to remove some ads for an understandable financial cause, and we complied. THAT'S IT. Stop being dramatic.

Jagex did not just ask to remove some ads, oh no that would be to trivial. But rather they asked for complete control of the ad's in exchange for some "perks".

Is that really such a bad thing? I don't see this as being a slippery slope at all. How will you personally be hurt by Jagex deciding what is advertised on the website?

I hate repeating myself, and I'm afraid I can't answer this question until I get some facts straight and hopefully Das will answer my question.

As soon as Das answers my question I will address this one.

[Me_Hate_Libs]

"Yeah, sometimes I like to play World of Warcra..."

 

*single shot rings out*

 

*Katya falls over dead*

[das]

EDIT: Das, if your reading this could you please answer me this question.

Is Jagex proposal better then what we have now?

in all honesty, Yes,

 

We trade some advertisements that do not affect our revenue for being game legal, and the occasional bit of content and interviews, we will be platinum here in a bit without changing anything else.

 

It's a good day for our users IMO - buisness practices of jagex aside.

 

Also for Qeltar - Upper Deck refused to sponsor recognize a major Minor League sports card site for it's "Sports card fansite of the year" (they give out nice prizes and stuff to users of that site) - The reason? Minor league cards stadium/team issues are not licensed by the NCAA or players associations. The irony? Upper deck was sued for releasing an unlicensed MLB 2010 set with no MLB license weeks prior.

[RSBDavid]

I don't use ad-block. I sometimes click on an add every once-in-awhile (by accident usually).

 

I see Mod H.'s point. If a fan site was built for a particular game, it should focus on bringing people to that game.

[Wizz]

While I still don't like the whole thing between Tip and Jagex, much of my hostility about this comes from their treatment of Zybez.

 

As far as selling out goes, I think Tip totally low balled themselves.

 

Just wanted to chime in that Tip.It does NOT need Jagex' blessing...er, ranking...the site stands up on its own merits. People already know about the site and more are introduced everyday through word of mouth advertising.

 

If Jagex wants to control off-site advertising, how do they expect owners to pay for bandwith? "Hello Mastercard? Do you accept 'love of the game' as payment?"

 

I would think for a site and community like Zybez, it's a mark of prestige NOT to be chosen by Jagex. If only so they can say they stood up to The Man :thumbsup:

Zybez stood up for what they wanted and this is what I get, I applaud Zybez for this.

 

 

 

EDIT: Das, if your reading this could you please answer me this question.

Is Jagex proposal better then what we have now?

in all honesty, Yes,

 

We trade some advertisements that do not affect our revenue for being game legal, and the occasional bit of content and interviews, we will be platinum here in a bit without changing anything else.

 

It's a good day for our users IMO - buisness practices of jagex aside.

Then I guess I buried my own grave. I had my facts all jumbled.....

[n_odie]

EDIT: Das, if your reading this could you please answer me this question.

Is Jagex proposal better then what we have now?

 

As far as ads?

 

This change will not affect Tip.It's revenue. Our revenue is based on advert impressions, which are adverts appearing on the page, they do not need to be clicked for us to make money from them. All that will happen is that an advert will still be shown, it just won't be a gaming one, our revenue will be unchanged.

 

 

 

 

As far as selling out goes, I think Tip totally low balled themselves.

 

Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

 

The Admin team will always do whats best for Tip.It and the users. We have not low balled our self in any means. It is simply business when it all comes down. This arrangement will benefit Tip.It, not only Jagex. This is the one thing they have asked of us, and yes it is a big change, but in return we can ask for a lot back. What we get back will benefit the community much more than any of these ads could have.

 

I love to see the fire that everyone has for Tip.It, it's what has kept us on top for all these years. While the list may not reflect that now, every user knows it.

 

I would like to say though, the other fansites on the list worked hard and deserve their place.

[Me_Hate_Libs]

I just talked to two J-Mods in the past half hour, one through email and one on the phone, and both of them didn't agree with the rading of official rankings for influence on a gaming site. They both work in content though so take that for what it's worth.

 

Das, just saying if we were gonna go that route we could've gotten more. :P