Quiet Before the Swarm 24-Jun-2010 & Free to play quest changes

[Mirror]

Well...this was a surprise. But that sword looked real nice.

[Deathmath]

You know what really bugs me about the climbing boots update? The failure excuses afterwards. Mod MMG (or some mod) tried to justify it by talking about street prices. Heck, even if the street prices WERE 75k, people are spending 75k on climbing boots. Instead, now 75k GP is getting put into the economy. PER BOOTS. Not an exchange, a huge influx of currency. And they don't see this? COUGH tip it times topic COUGH

 

Heck, anybody want to send an econ book to jagex, with a ruler in the 'inflation' section...

[Knitewulf]

You know what really bugs me about the climbing boots update? The failure excuses afterwards. Mod MMG (or some mod) tried to justify it by talking about street prices. Heck, even if the street prices WERE 75k, people are spending 75k on climbing boots. Instead, now 75k GP is getting put into the economy. PER BOOTS. Not an exchange, a huge influx of currency. And they don't see this? COUGH tip it times topic COUGH

 

Heck, anybody want to send an econ book to jagex, with a ruler in the 'inflation' section...

It was Mod Mark. His clan chat title is "Wooters" and he has expressed his like for the update and how there will be no rollback. Tbh his job is like community managing or something and well mod MMG does all that basically.

Considering Rune boots have a high alch price of 8k, D boots are 12k. Where would they get the 45k alch price for climbing boots from? That makes 0 sense. Also this update was leaked to certain people beforehand(I know a mod who it was leaked to). So I think Mod Mark was trying to "help" a few of his friends out because anyone who wasn't a true idiot could have seen this coming. Thats why there were a couple people who stockpiled boots.

 

There were plenty of fixes to this... You could have changed all current climbing boots to the quest version or just made their alch value and sellback value horribly low. Sure they still would have been used in junk trades then, but thats not a horrible alternative to what it is now. The fact they are triyng to tell us people commonly bought them for 75k is bull.

[xpx]

Also to add to the above post, i was also told by a player mod today that the update was leaked to a select amount of players beforehand, so it was not only selective free money but also giving select players an unfair advantage over others(around 22m/h advantage to be persice). I wouldn't be suprised if there was more dirty secrets to this update as jagex clearly has no care for their reputation anymore(very lean bans, little care for autoing and now this).

[Maxingmck]

*cough* Ambler III *cough*

 

Why dont we get him to go over to jagex office

[howbadisbad]

All i could do after seeing this update was

 

 

Tbh jamflex sickens me. This might be their worst update ever.

 

And I have like only 40 boots :(

[xxshady]

You know what really bugs me about the climbing boots update? The failure excuses afterwards. Mod MMG (or some mod) tried to justify it by talking about street prices. Heck, even if the street prices WERE 75k, people are spending 75k on climbing boots. Instead, now 75k GP is getting put into the economy. PER BOOTS. Not an exchange, a huge influx of currency. And they don't see this? COUGH tip it times topic COUGH

 

Heck, anybody want to send an econ book to jagex, with a ruler in the 'inflation' section...

It was Mod Mark. His clan chat title is "Wooters" and he has expressed his like for the update and how there will be no rollback. Tbh his job is like community managing or something and well mod MMG does all that basically.

Considering Rune boots have a high alch price of 8k, D boots are 12k. Where would they get the 45k alch price for climbing boots from? That makes 0 sense. Also this update was leaked to certain people beforehand(I know a mod who it was leaked to). So I think Mod Mark was trying to "help" a few of his friends out because anyone who wasn't a true idiot could have seen this coming. Thats why there were a couple people who stockpiled boots.

 

There were plenty of fixes to this... You could have changed all current climbing boots to the quest version or just made their alch value and sellback value horribly low. Sure they still would have been used in junk trades then, but thats not a horrible alternative to what it is now. The fact they are triyng to tell us people commonly bought them for 75k is bull.

 

If you think the Lead Designer of Runescape made an update to help out of a few of his ingame friends then you are truly a 12 year old. Content standards change over the years, and old content must be retrofitted to meet the new standards. This is just one of the changes that impacts the game visibly.

 

Mod Mark KNOWS that it will impact the economy with short-term inflation. He says this in his post. He also knows that a few hundred people got rich. This has NO long-term effect for the economy. Just 12 year olds getting jealous of lucky people.

[Mas17]

The reasoning behind the Climber Boot update is [cabbage].

 

I'm going to play RS Classic until this thing dies down.

[howbadisbad]

You know what really bugs me about the climbing boots update? The failure excuses afterwards. Mod MMG (or some mod) tried to justify it by talking about street prices. Heck, even if the street prices WERE 75k, people are spending 75k on climbing boots. Instead, now 75k GP is getting put into the economy. PER BOOTS. Not an exchange, a huge influx of currency. And they don't see this? COUGH tip it times topic COUGH

 

Heck, anybody want to send an econ book to jagex, with a ruler in the 'inflation' section...

It was Mod Mark. His clan chat title is "Wooters" and he has expressed his like for the update and how there will be no rollback. Tbh his job is like community managing or something and well mod MMG does all that basically.

Considering Rune boots have a high alch price of 8k, D boots are 12k. Where would they get the 45k alch price for climbing boots from? That makes 0 sense. Also this update was leaked to certain people beforehand(I know a mod who it was leaked to). So I think Mod Mark was trying to "help" a few of his friends out because anyone who wasn't a true idiot could have seen this coming. Thats why there were a couple people who stockpiled boots.

 

There were plenty of fixes to this... You could have changed all current climbing boots to the quest version or just made their alch value and sellback value horribly low. Sure they still would have been used in junk trades then, but thats not a horrible alternative to what it is now. The fact they are triyng to tell us people commonly bought them for 75k is bull.

 

If you think the Lead Designer of Runescape made an update to help out of a few of his ingame friends then you are truly a 12 year old. Content standards change over the years, and old content must be retrofitted to meet the new standards. This is just one of the changes that impacts the game visibly.

 

Mod Mark KNOWS that it will impact the economy with short-term inflation. He says this in his post. He also knows that a few hundred people got rich. This has NO long-term effect for the economy. Just 12 year olds getting jealous of lucky people.

 

 

No long term effect? We are talking thousands of bils of coins injected into the economy.

 

trolololol!

[RussetAlpha]

Climbing boots ...

 

GF Runescape Economy!

[wioneo]

You know what really bugs me about the climbing boots update? The failure excuses afterwards. Mod MMG (or some mod) tried to justify it by talking about street prices. Heck, even if the street prices WERE 75k, people are spending 75k on climbing boots. Instead, now 75k GP is getting put into the economy. PER BOOTS. Not an exchange, a huge influx of currency. And they don't see this? COUGH tip it times topic COUGH

 

Heck, anybody want to send an econ book to jagex, with a ruler in the 'inflation' section...

It was Mod Mark. His clan chat title is "Wooters" and he has expressed his like for the update and how there will be no rollback. Tbh his job is like community managing or something and well mod MMG does all that basically.

Considering Rune boots have a high alch price of 8k, D boots are 12k. Where would they get the 45k alch price for climbing boots from? That makes 0 sense. Also this update was leaked to certain people beforehand(I know a mod who it was leaked to). So I think Mod Mark was trying to "help" a few of his friends out because anyone who wasn't a true idiot could have seen this coming. Thats why there were a couple people who stockpiled boots.

 

There were plenty of fixes to this... You could have changed all current climbing boots to the quest version or just made their alch value and sellback value horribly low. Sure they still would have been used in junk trades then, but thats not a horrible alternative to what it is now. The fact they are triyng to tell us people commonly bought them for 75k is bull.

 

If you think the Lead Designer of Runescape made an update to help out of a few of his ingame friends then you are truly a 12 year old. Content standards change over the years, and old content must be retrofitted to meet the new standards. This is just one of the changes that impacts the game visibly.

 

Mod Mark KNOWS that it will impact the economy with short-term inflation. He says this in his post. He also knows that a few hundred people got rich. This has NO long-term effect for the economy. Just 12 year olds getting jealous of lucky people.

 

 

No long term effect? We are talking thousands of bils of coins injected into the economy.

 

trolololol!

 

It's a single injection to a few targeted areas. People get all excited when things are clearly tangible like this, but over time the boot coins will not compare to what has already been(and continues to be) introduced through pvp and other sources of inflation.

[xpx]

You know what really bugs me about the climbing boots update? The failure excuses afterwards. Mod MMG (or some mod) tried to justify it by talking about street prices. Heck, even if the street prices WERE 75k, people are spending 75k on climbing boots. Instead, now 75k GP is getting put into the economy. PER BOOTS. Not an exchange, a huge influx of currency. And they don't see this? COUGH tip it times topic COUGH

 

Heck, anybody want to send an econ book to jagex, with a ruler in the 'inflation' section...

It was Mod Mark. His clan chat title is "Wooters" and he has expressed his like for the update and how there will be no rollback. Tbh his job is like community managing or something and well mod MMG does all that basically.

Considering Rune boots have a high alch price of 8k, D boots are 12k. Where would they get the 45k alch price for climbing boots from? That makes 0 sense. Also this update was leaked to certain people beforehand(I know a mod who it was leaked to). So I think Mod Mark was trying to "help" a few of his friends out because anyone who wasn't a true idiot could have seen this coming. Thats why there were a couple people who stockpiled boots.

 

There were plenty of fixes to this... You could have changed all current climbing boots to the quest version or just made their alch value and sellback value horribly low. Sure they still would have been used in junk trades then, but thats not a horrible alternative to what it is now. The fact they are triyng to tell us people commonly bought them for 75k is bull.

 

If you think the Lead Designer of Runescape made an update to help out of a few of his ingame friends then you are truly a 12 year old. Content standards change over the years, and old content must be retrofitted to meet the new standards. This is just one of the changes that impacts the game visibly.

 

Mod Mark KNOWS that it will impact the economy with short-term inflation. He says this in his post. He also knows that a few hundred people got rich. This has NO long-term effect for the economy. Just 12 year olds getting jealous of lucky people.

Theres a world of differance between lucky and favored players. The leaking is certainly true and any respectful company would take serious consideations into the matter to deal with it(which i doubt jagex will do). Also, judging by the player response(the people who pay for the updates and cover their vages), 95% think this was a terrible update and most would agree that there would have been millions of other ways to not make this so hard on the community to accept, not least of which is the fact that these boots proctect over divine(which means they are now useless in the one place they were used before- +1 bh).

 

For your knowledge, the fact that he is the lead designer doesn't mean he knows anything about runescape, as evidenced by his post. He is just covering his a**, hoping that this will all die down soon.

 

Also i agree that there will not be a long term affect for the runescape economy because of this, though thousands of wealthy funloving players will lose millions because of this, though i do think there will be a long term effect on jagex as a company, because, as of lately, i've lost alot of trust in them. This will not bode well for them as being customer friendly, honest or decent as a company.

[xxshady]

You know what really bugs me about the climbing boots update? The failure excuses afterwards. Mod MMG (or some mod) tried to justify it by talking about street prices. Heck, even if the street prices WERE 75k, people are spending 75k on climbing boots. Instead, now 75k GP is getting put into the economy. PER BOOTS. Not an exchange, a huge influx of currency. And they don't see this? COUGH tip it times topic COUGH

 

Heck, anybody want to send an econ book to jagex, with a ruler in the 'inflation' section...

It was Mod Mark. His clan chat title is "Wooters" and he has expressed his like for the update and how there will be no rollback. Tbh his job is like community managing or something and well mod MMG does all that basically.

Considering Rune boots have a high alch price of 8k, D boots are 12k. Where would they get the 45k alch price for climbing boots from? That makes 0 sense. Also this update was leaked to certain people beforehand(I know a mod who it was leaked to). So I think Mod Mark was trying to "help" a few of his friends out because anyone who wasn't a true idiot could have seen this coming. Thats why there were a couple people who stockpiled boots.

 

There were plenty of fixes to this... You could have changed all current climbing boots to the quest version or just made their alch value and sellback value horribly low. Sure they still would have been used in junk trades then, but thats not a horrible alternative to what it is now. The fact they are triyng to tell us people commonly bought them for 75k is bull.

 

If you think the Lead Designer of Runescape made an update to help out of a few of his ingame friends then you are truly a 12 year old. Content standards change over the years, and old content must be retrofitted to meet the new standards. This is just one of the changes that impacts the game visibly.

 

Mod Mark KNOWS that it will impact the economy with short-term inflation. He says this in his post. He also knows that a few hundred people got rich. This has NO long-term effect for the economy. Just 12 year olds getting jealous of lucky people.

 

 

No long term effect? We are talking thousands of bils of coins injected into the economy.

 

trolololol!

 

It will inflate the economy for sure, but we've already seen massive inflation in Runescape over the years, this is nothing compared to a couple years ago.

[howbadisbad]

 

 

For your knowledge, the fact that he is the lead designer doesn't mean he knows anything about runescape, as evidenced by his post. He is just covering his a**, hoping that this will all die down soon.

 

Lawl gl with that happening. This update is almost on par with the wildy removal in terms of rants.

[xpx]

 

 

For your knowledge, the fact that he is the lead designer doesn't mean he knows anything about runescape, as evidenced by his post. He is just covering his a**, hoping that this will all die down soon.

 

Lawl gl with that happening. This update is almost on par with the wildy removal in terms of rants.

And we all know how many players they lost back then... and that was actually for the good of the game. This is jagex scoring an own-goal in extra time(just thought a football analogy would work here).

[deskjethp]

Boot fail. Period.

 

Quest change fail. Sheep shearer was (technically, sort of) the first quest. (blah blah cook's assistant blah blah).. Yeah I know. Sheep shearer was started first.

This unnecessary stuff annoys me. Don't fix the unbroken.

"not up to the standards of other quests" - Let us apply this logic elsewhere: Bronze isn't up to the standards of today's easy to get armour. Let's remove it. I mean really, who uses bronze? Iron is clearly a perfect substitute. Oh, and those town guards. Those are clearly not up to snuff when it comes to the monsters of today attacking. Lets take them out too.

 

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Speaking of losing players, am I correct in my thinking that there hasn't been 200k+ at any given time after the trade/wildy update?

I think it peaked around 191k on bonus xp weekend. It had been ~250k peak a little before that...

[howbadisbad]

 

 

For your knowledge, the fact that he is the lead designer doesn't mean he knows anything about runescape, as evidenced by his post. He is just covering his a**, hoping that this will all die down soon.

 

Lawl gl with that happening. This update is almost on par with the wildy removal in terms of rants.

And we all know how many players they lost back then... and that was actually for the good of the game. This is jagex scoring an own-goal in extra time(just thought a football analogy would work here).

 

I can't even imagine the thoughts that crossed their mind as they created this update. Any way you look at it it's a terrible idea.

 

Better solution = Make boots 60k then their alch values extremely low and non sellable to the smith. Problem solved. (except people would have a lot of junk :L)

[xpx]

 

 

For your knowledge, the fact that he is the lead designer doesn't mean he knows anything about runescape, as evidenced by his post. He is just covering his a**, hoping that this will all die down soon.

 

Lawl gl with that happening. This update is almost on par with the wildy removal in terms of rants.

And we all know how many players they lost back then... and that was actually for the good of the game. This is jagex scoring an own-goal in extra time(just thought a football analogy would work here).

 

I can't even imagine the thoughts that crossed their mind as they created this update. Any way you look at it it's a terrible idea.

 

Better solution = Make boots 60k then their alch values extremely low and non sellable to the smith. Problem solved. (except people would have a lot of junk :L)

They'll propably do a alch price fix tomorrow but by then, it's just too late. Everyone who had them will have already alched them or sold to the store if they had a very big load, thus the change wouldn't actually change anything about how terrible this update was.

 

desk, you are completely right about the drop in the number of players. up to the slayer release or so, we had new servers put into the game very frequantly and posts about this on the first page. Now i havn't seen one of those for years. They are clearly trying to outsmart themselves.

[Lizard_X123]

Mod Mark KNOWS that it will impact the economy with short-term inflation. He says this in his post. He also knows that a few hundred people got rich. This has NO long-term effect for the economy. Just 12 year olds getting jealous of lucky people.

 

He also said that they researched this decision fully before making it, and that the goal was to have everyone benefit, rather than have a few suffer from a nerf.

 

1) No one would have actually lost anything beyond their initial investment into the boots. If those stats were worth more than 12gp, and you want to give everyone a chance to benefit and be on a fair playing field, then make a new pair of boots that has stats worth 75,000gp, and give the 12gp boots stats that are befitting of a 12gp item. Not very difficult logic, TBH.

 

2) I refuse to believe that they actually researched this solution and deemed it as the best course of action. This could have ALL been avoided if they had changed Tenzig to sell you boots in a fashion similar to how you buy battlestaves from Zaff--A chat dialogue that allows you to enter the amount you want to buy for a price linked directly to that chat dialogue. This would remove the inherent relationship between Store price and Alch values, so long as no other store sells the boots, and would allow the boots to have a very, very low value to anyone but another player.

 

The problem isn't with the new GE price, it's with the Alch values. So long as you have the patience (and the stockpile), you have the money. At a minimum of just under 30k gp per LOW alch, there is HUGE potential for profit. Someone who high alchs 1k boots per hour can turn a profit of 44million in that hour alone, assuming they bought all their boots for under 1k.

 

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Edit: Climbing boots have alch values that are more than three times as much as dragon boots. This, right here, should be the #1 reason for a re-evaluation of the update, a rollback and concurrent fix/adjustment, and a proper re-release that doesn't screw the pooch.

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Please, spare yourself the embarrassment and don't come in here defending a painfully piss-poor excuse for an even worse update.

[Danqazmlp]

Remember please, if you do not have anything constructive to add, do not post.

[howbadisbad]

Remember please, if you do not have anything constructive to add, do not post.

 

Then you obviously need to delete 90% of this thread because it is mostly rants. #-o

[Danqazmlp]

Remember please, if you do not have anything constructive to add, do not post.

 

Then you obviously need to delete 90% of this thread because it is mostly rants. #-o

 

 

Constructive rants :thumbup: Favepalm images :thumbdown:

[howbadisbad]

248-249-308-61192445 <- I bet it will happen.

[Maxingmck]

This will cause boots to skyrocket in slayer

 

 

Lol when rune boots were 5k

[howbadisbad]

This will cause boots to skyrocket in slayer

 

 

Lol when rune boots were 5k

 

More like lol when climbers were 12gp.