Item Risk

[TheAncient]

Do you think people risk too much gear at dangerous places?

 

I see people all the time risking chaotic equipment (which I value at 50-100M), or 30M+ gear. Is that risk ever justified, other than just to look cool?

 

For example, I wear a glory at DK's because otherwise fury protects over chaotic rapier. Sure, I'll look a little bit nooby, but I'm willing to sacrifice that to potentially save my rapier.

 

Dying is always possible, no matter how much you safe or how good your computer is.

[stonewall337]

Do you think people risk too much gear at dangerous places?

 

I see people all the time risking chaotic equipment (which I value at 50-100M), or 30M+ gear. Is that risk ever justified, other than just to look cool?

 

For example, I wear a glory at DK's because otherwise fury protects over chaotic rapier. Sure, I'll look a little bit nooby, but I'm willing to sacrifice that to potentially save my rapier.

 

Dying is always possible, no matter how much you safe or how good your computer is.

 

I risk 32m at DKS, solo 2.5brid. The increase in kills/trip and kills/hour is worth it IMO.

[anonymouse_]

I only risk when there's a reasonable chance of getting my stuff back (have someone bless or whatever).

[TheAncient]

Do you think people risk too much gear at dangerous places?

 

I see people all the time risking chaotic equipment (which I value at 50-100M), or 30M+ gear. Is that risk ever justified, other than just to look cool?

 

For example, I wear a glory at DK's because otherwise fury protects over chaotic rapier. Sure, I'll look a little bit nooby, but I'm willing to sacrifice that to potentially save my rapier.

 

Dying is always possible, no matter how much you safe or how good your computer is.

 

I risk 32m at DKS, solo 2.5brid. The increase in kills/trip and kills/hour is worth it IMO.

 

What do you risk that's 32M? I 2.5 brid / tribrid too and I risk 12M & arcstream at worst.

 

My setup is:

Rapier/DDS

Crossbow

SoL + Arcstream

Barrows (or Bandos sometimes) top and bottom

Obsidian shield

Glory for when I'm not using arcstream

 

Btw, I'm sure DDS is about the same as Claws because supreme's defense is so low...

 

I get about 100-120 kills for 2 yaks (or 5 ovl's depending whichever ends first), including banking time.

 

Approximately 40-50% of my kills are Rex, 30% are supreme, and the rest is Prime.

[Sir_Kurity]

Well, if you have better gear.

 

You get more kills, you are much less likely to get crashed, and you kill faster.

 

All of this adds up to more profit/hr.

 

There IS a small chance at losing your items, but for some people its worth it.

[Triquos]

Well, I was doing my first elite clue yesterday and unfortunately for me, I was on world 100 at the time when the world went nuts. Disconnected amongst 10 high levelled ice trolls. By the time the screen came back to normal for 1 second, my health went from 990 to 221. Disconnected again, now knowing for sure I was a goner. The screen came right after about 2 minutes later, finding myself in the falador respawn spot with 3 and a bit minutes left of my 6 minute grave. I rushed to the bank, smashed my relleka teletab and ran like never before to neitiznot to pick up my stuff. Was getting owned while trying to pick up food as well as my valuables. My last item I picked up was my elite clue amongst my hands shaking and heart pounding. Then my grave disappeared. I got my valuables back, only lost my clue gear (watch, sextant, chart, spade) and some food.

 

Needless to say, I haven't died like that since that quest which rewards you with the ancient magic spellbook. But yeah, note to self: never do anything in world 100 just after it was down for weeks, and when I next do clues, I'll make sure I wear a ring of life and minimal gear of which I'm willing to lose.

 

Oh and thank goodness I saved that elite clue, I got d sq shield (or) kit from it ^_^ was so happy. But lesson learned, take lame gear when doing clues, no matter how safe you think your internet connection is. Sometimes it's up to the servers, and they can't always be reliable at the best of times.

 

So yes, after that experience yesterday, I am much more aware of what I'm risking =l

[Bladewing]

Whatever people want to risk is their decision, and they have obviously weighed the risks (although possibly inaccurately so) and decided it is worth it.

 

It is none of your concern what others risk.

 

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Also I value a chaotic weapon at 250M+, so yeah I'm not going to be risking it lol.

[Omali]

Better weapons = quicker kills

Better armor = less hits = less food consumed.

 

Higher risk makes higher reward, and in the long run can save you money on food/potions.

 

Granted, if you see someone using trimmed rune armor, they're just doing it to show off.

[AnneFrank]

i only risk alot if i know when i can get blessed..most of the time.

[stonewall337]

Do you think people risk too much gear at dangerous places?

 

I see people all the time risking chaotic equipment (which I value at 50-100M), or 30M+ gear. Is that risk ever justified, other than just to look cool?

 

For example, I wear a glory at DK's because otherwise fury protects over chaotic rapier. Sure, I'll look a little bit nooby, but I'm willing to sacrifice that to potentially save my rapier.

 

Dying is always possible, no matter how much you safe or how good your computer is.

 

I risk 32m at DKS, solo 2.5brid. The increase in kills/trip and kills/hour is worth it IMO.

 

What do you risk that's 32M? I 2.5 brid / tribrid too and I risk 12M & arcstream at worst.

 

My setup is:

Rapier/DDS

Crossbow

SoL + Arcstream

Barrows (or Bandos sometimes) top and bottom

Obsidian shield

Glory for when I'm not using arcstream

 

Btw, I'm sure DDS is about the same as Claws because supreme's defense is so low...

 

I get about 100-120 kills for 2 yaks (or 5 ovl's depending whichever ends first), including banking time.

 

Approximately 40-50% of my kills are Rex, 30% are supreme, and the rest is Prime.

 

 

That, except v helm if off task, and dstone (i) ring. Whip and stuff in invy, and 1k casts of surge.

[TheAncient]

Whatever people want to risk is their decision, and they have obviously weighed the risks (although possibly inaccurately so) and decided it is worth it.

 

It is none of your concern what others risk.

 

Wait why? Sure, they're entitled to their personal opinions, but if we're arguing for efficiency here, then we have common ground to talk about it rationally.

 

Also @ stonewall: I don't think the onyx(i) makes a substantial difference... and isn't that what's preventing you from keeping your bandos?

[Bladewing]

Whatever people want to risk is their decision, and they have obviously weighed the risks (although possibly inaccurately so) and decided it is worth it.

 

It is none of your concern what others risk.

 

Wait why? Sure, they're entitled to their personal opinions, but if we're arguing for efficiency here, then we have common ground to talk about it rationally.

Presumably people have weighed the odds of death/dc/loss etc. and have made the rational (although possibly incorrect) decision to go ahead with the risk.

[Knitewulf]

Gotta risk it for the biscuit.

 

Anyways, usually if its your first time boss hunting you don't take as goodn of gear as if it were your 5th or 10th time. Really with Unicorns, SS, Bunyips, EE, Extremes, Overloads, Turmoil, Rocktail. Its almost impossible to die.

[xpx]

I got my valuables back, only lost my clue gear (watch, sextant, chart, spade) and some food.

 

That stuff for an elite? sounds fishy, ironic that you would have lost them.

 

And realistically, i wholeheartedly agree- my networth is substantially more than max money but while thinking about going on my first newschool DK trip(no 2,5 brid or whatever else in the old days) and really wanting to take my rapier, i'd arrive at a bit of a wall- sure, i have no problem risking 10-30m gear, but when you consider the rapier- it's completely off limits, so it really has to dominate the 3 most valuable item's that i take there. And even if you consider the possible death, risking 30m or so, it'd take around 10 hours to make the same money back, which would considerably cut down on your efficiency, and is another reason frost dragons seem more worthwhile as an all-around moneymaker- 90% of the profit guaranteed, no real risk of death.

[Viv]

I got my valuables back, only lost my clue gear (watch, sextant, chart, spade) and some food.

 

That stuff for an elite? sounds fishy, ironic that you would have lost them.

 

And realistically, i wholeheartedly agree- my networth is substantially more than max money but while thinking about going on my first newschool DK trip(no 2,5 brid or whatever else in the old days) and really wanting to take my rapier, i'd arrive at a bit of a wall- sure, i have no problem risking 10-30m gear, but when you consider the rapier- it's completely off limits, so it really has to dominate the 3 most valuable item's that i take there. And even if you consider the possible death, risking 30m or so, it'd take around 10 hours to make the same money back, which would considerably cut down on your efficiency, and is another reason frost dragons seem more worthwhile as an all-around moneymaker- 90% of the profit guaranteed, no real risk of death.

i agree i was at abbies someone said they lost a chaotic staff crossbow and long at dks....6.3m exp in dungeoneering! wtfff

 

however 2m exp in dungeoneering is like 20 hours of dungeoneering with a pro perm team will be 10 hrs of dungeoneering with a pro perm team after the update.. with an avarage team double those numbers..

 

and if your going for 120 getting rewards and then saving tokens the value of a chaotic item may even be worth 200k dungeoneering exp to you which may be 1 hr of time with a pro team after the update. or 3million

 

however if your 80 dungeoneering and dont have a perm team its going to be at least 35 hrs of time to get it back thierfore at 3m an hr a chaotic weapon would be worth 105million

 

but yesterday i was playing with item kept on death and often times its something stupid like barrows gloves protects over something like karils top =p doesnt matter if u wear glory instead of fury its only the barrows gloves that ud keep so better to wear the fury.

 

 

same with firecape some people would go crazy if they lost thier firecape other people have a ton of firecapes.....im in the middle of that..lol

 

its all about your different values

 

this only applies to monsterhunting tho with gravestones you can get back easily to other places...

 

LOVE FROST DRAGONS you dont have to worry about drystreaks, you dont have to worry about dieing, can do fine with just some extremes and cannonballs.

 

but anyway thigns have different values to different people.

[Squisher_33]

my philosophy has always been that the more you risk the less you die, and the less you risk the more youll die...basicly if your wearing maxed gear dont worry about losing it all cuz thats just it...ur in maxed gear your prob not gonna die, altering your setup to prepare for death will only cause it more often

 

i have not died a risked death in rs since the first 3 months of my accounts creation, i dont even know where my spawn point is

 

i see no point in looking at what i risk simply since i wont ever die, ive even done half a dozen corp solo attempts withuot stat hammer, after about 13 mins per fight of tanking corp solo i still was never in any danger of dying and managed to tele every time safely

 

i view that no monster is hard enough to bother a high lvl player, not even corp is deadly, maybe if jagex actualy put some challenges in this game rather than trying to please noobs, then id have something to worry about

 

on the topic of chaotic risking, they have considered making the price of re-obtaining a previously purchased chaotic item cheaper than the actual price, would be a good update to people who risked this in pvp

[gremmy]

Gotta risk it for the biscuit.

 

Anyways, usually if its your first time boss hunting you don't take as goodn of gear as if it were your 5th or 10th time. Really with Unicorns, SS, Bunyips, EE, Extremes, Overloads, Turmoil, Rocktail. Its almost impossible to die.

 

Excuse me, but what do you know about this? You don't have access to either of those.. It is indeed possible to die with the best possible gear. Never underestimate the "semi"-bosses like DK's/TD's/KQ/KBD. They're bosses for a reason, and can easily kill you in a matter of seconds if you're not careful.

 

OT: I'm a bit on your side; I prefer getting used to the place (if I haven't been there in a while) with very cheap gear like Torag's helm instead of Verac's, Glory instead of Fury etc. When I realise I've got it under control I start upgrading items.. If I die, on the other hand, I ragequit and sell my bank, and return a few hours later to regret that, lol.

 

Some places where I'm really comfortable or am confident that I can get my stuff back even with a DC, I'd never loose on the gear (Sara godwars/TD's), while at other places you have no choice but to bring the best possible (6-man overload/turmoil teams @ corp).

[xpx]

I think people are also confusing dieing on this thread- With great gear, it is extremely unlikely you'd die because of ''natural causes'', but you ALWAYS run a risk of dieing because of a bad spot of lag or even a DC. It's just like real life, where as you can live in the most healthy way possible and do everything right, but still get cancer or shot in the head, You can't prepare for situations like that in real life(well, not really) but you can(and if you should, as discussed in this thread) prepare for it in a game.

[Bows]

I only risk when there's a reasonable chance of getting my stuff back (have someone bless or whatever).

 

That's the only viable explanation I see in doing something like this. I could care less about getting more kills in. If you die, those kills were worthless.

 

Gotta risk it for the biscuit.

 

Anyways, usually if its your first time boss hunting you don't take as goodn of gear as if it were your 5th or 10th time. Really with Unicorns, SS, Bunyips, EE, Extremes, Overloads, Turmoil, Rocktail. Its almost impossible to die.

 

Excuse me, but what do you know about this? You don't have access to either of those.. It is indeed possible to die with the best possible gear. Never underestimate the "semi"-bosses like DK's/TD's/KQ/KBD. They're bosses for a reason, and can easily kill you in a matter of seconds if you're not careful.

 

OT: I'm a bit on your side; I prefer getting used to the place (if I haven't been there in a while) with very cheap gear like Torag's helm instead of Verac's, Glory instead of Fury etc. When I realise I've got it under control I start upgrading items.. If I die, on the other hand, I ragequit and sell my bank, and return a few hours later to regret that, lol.

 

Some places where I'm really comfortable or am confident that I can get my stuff back even with a DC, I'd never loose on the gear (Sara godwars/TD's), while at other places you have no choice but to bring the best possible (6-man overload/turmoil teams @ corp).

 

And as for what Knitewulf said -- He is simply stating examples, showing that with the best possible gear, which is the items he listed, it's almost impossible to die. Just because he doesn't have access to them doesn't mean he doesn't know what they are capable of doing. And he never said it was impossible he said almost impossible meaning that if you are paying full attention, you're good; for the most part, but as stated, a slip up could lose it all.

[steviej]

I find that any time I die when monster hunting, I'm risking enough to set me back a while in getting my stuff back. It doesn't help that I've had terrible luck with drops, and suck at prayer switching and stuff either i guess. I do think that you kind of have to risk something to have a chance though.

 

Anything that is a pain to get I hate to risk, like void or chaotic. Tormented demons ate my void :wall: and now I have to get my stats up and void back to go back...

[999134]

Risk/benefit is hard to work out, is losing that chaotic weapon which took you along timw to get worth +2 str from a fury

 

Personally i have lost 3 dfs's 2 in pvp and 1 skulled at bork >.>, risk in pvp is another matter and for me risking a dfs is almost compulsory to pk.

[Maximusa]

I only care more about items that would be a pain to get back, such as a firecape or chaotic weapons.

 

When first doing frost dragons I personally found after killing my first few k of them to be mostly unrisky however I also encountered random lag by jagex servers occasionally on several worlds. There was times when my char stopped responding and frost dragons can hit hard someimes, enough to get you killed whenever you may get stuck for a while. Not worth that risk when I already kill 200 an hour without a chaotic weapon and planned to kill 15k of them. Possibly if I wasnt planning to kill so many I could take that risk but when you know you killing such a large number you can guarantee at that some point the game will kill you. The whole grave thing I dont trust encase I cant log back onto that server or something dum, perhaps bad timing when pots like anti-fire runs out within those 1-3-5 minutes of lag where you cannot move and clicking food doesnt respond if something hits you hard constantly unexpectedly.

 

Btw, I DID die due to server lag once during that whole period. The game decided to stop responding to my commands, next I had lost connection which meant watching a 'connected message' for ages even though everything else was working fine and had to wait for the game to respond so I could continue, which resulted me in looking at the login screen and waiting for my char to 'log out' from the game. Minutes after minutes after minutes I couldnt play the game. However I was able to eventually log in and save my stuff. Even if items save on death works I still rather keep it in the bank. So my precautions payed off just due to the chance of it happening came very close.

 

As for firecape I never use it as I may aswell use a different cape thats mostly better and tons easier to get back.

 

I am less bothered about items that cost geepee. I dont like buying them again but atleast I can quite quickly without hassle. I mostly pay attention to gear that wont save that costs more than 30m and decide if its possible for server lag to kill me.

[@Dan3HitU]

I think the "risking" of more expensive items is just because it's much easier to get the money back to buy it again, I think people average at around 1M gp an hour these days don't they?

[BeNiceOk]

It depends what you are talking about when you are risking? Are you talking about PvP or monster hunting?

 

I wont say anything on PvP since I don't do that but for PvM:

My point of view is that reducing risk is not really a loss in efficiency in the long run.

If getting 12 arma solo kills instead of 13 arma kills a trip bothers you, then don't read my post.

 

Weapons and Offensive levels help you kill monsters faster. Armor (ignoring amulet/ring/gloves) has nothing to do with killing things faster. The +8 str bonus from bandos is not going to keep you from getting crashed from someone risking half that amount with -8 of you.

 

As per the armor slots that do give offensive stats, I think people overestimate the importance of a few offensive points. +1 on a ring (onyx over dtsone) is going to be such a marginal increase in your equipment it would take you thousands of kills to even see the difference one would make over the other. If the dice has to roll between 1:300 to 1:301, the odds are so minimal to roll that +1 more in accuracy that it is an un-necessary risk.

 

When I say un-necessary risk I do not mean to say you should not bring it because it isnt better. If by all means you feel the +1 keeps you alive, then take the item. But an un-necessary risk will mean the benefit you will see from the item will be so small in the course of an hour you might only notice a half of a kills difference.

 

I think to many people feel that you HAVE to risk to be proficient. They forget you can still be 99% proficient without risking. There is plenty of gear in this game that gives smaller portions of stats and has very low risk value.

 

Example: My armadyl setup only risks about 200k (not including bolts) while my friend risks ~20-30M+. Whats the difference? I have about -10 range attack, -20 magic defense, -30 melee defense and +2 more prayer than he does. When we duo I ushally end up out of supplies just before he does or sometimes after. When you already have stats in the 200's and 300's, a +10 or +15 is such a small increase it dosen't matter anymore. If kree is going to hit though your +170 magic defense, she is going to do it regardless if your +170 or +185.

 

Risk = Reward, however.

Unnecessary Risk = Reward.

 

There is a difference between "risking" and risking things that are so marginal there will be no noticeable increase in reward.

[Viv]

It depends what you are talking about when you are risking? Are you talking about PvP or monster hunting?

 

I wont say anything on PvP since I don't do that but for PvM:

My point of view is that reducing risk is not really a loss in efficiency in the long run.

If getting 12 arma solo kills instead of 13 arma kills a trip bothers you, then don't read my post.

 

Weapons and Offensive levels help you kill monsters faster. Armor (ignoring amulet/ring/gloves) has nothing to do with killing things faster. The +8 str bonus from bandos is not going to keep you from getting crashed from someone risking half that amount with -8 of you.

 

As per the armor slots that do give offensive stats, I think people overestimate the importance of a few offensive points. +1 on a ring (onyx over dtsone) is going to be such a marginal increase in your equipment it would take you thousands of kills to even see the difference one would make over the other. If the dice has to roll between 1:300 to 1:301, the odds are so minimal to roll that +1 more in accuracy that it is an un-necessary risk.

 

When I say un-necessary risk I do not mean to say you should not bring it because it isnt better. If by all means you feel the +1 keeps you alive, then take the item. But an un-necessary risk will mean the benefit you will see from the item will be so small in the course of an hour you might only notice a half of a kills difference.

 

I think to many people feel that you HAVE to risk to be proficient. They forget you can still be 99% proficient without risking. There is plenty of gear in this game that gives smaller portions of stats and has very low risk value.

 

Example: My armadyl setup only risks about 200k (not including bolts) while my friend risks ~20-30M+. Whats the difference? I have about -10 range attack, -20 magic defense, -30 melee defense and +2 more prayer than he does. When we duo I ushally end up out of supplies just before he does or sometimes after. When you already have stats in the 200's and 300's, a +10 or +15 is such a small increase it dosen't matter anymore. If kree is going to hit though your +170 magic defense, she is going to do it regardless if your +170 or +185.

 

Risk = Reward, however.

Unnecessary Risk = Reward.

 

There is a difference between "risking" and risking things that are so marginal there will be no noticeable increase in reward.

I agree about the offensive stats but i dont agree about the defensive stats i guess im comparing something like dhide top verse karils top at bandos but still at armadyl i think would you rather get hit 200 by armadyl or 0 since its 200 or 0 blocking some of that damage with +15 magic defence is smart and probably multiple times a trip he will roll to not hit through 185 but hit through 170