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That's pure and utter BS and you know it. Crashing seldom has anything to do with whether someone is higher level or better equipped. It entirely comes down to whether someone has a faster computer with a better connection.

 

Umm.. not really. You can beat people who are higher leveled and better geared than you. But that deals more with skill and timing and a lot less with internet connection. Unless you have like dial up or something.


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That's pure and utter BS and you know it. Crashing seldom has anything to do with whether someone is higher level or better equipped. It entirely comes down to whether someone has a faster computer with a better connection.

 

Umm.. not really. You can beat people who are higher leveled and better geared than you. But that deals more with skill and timing and a lot less with internet connection. Unless you have like dial up or something.

 

There are very FEW people better equipped or higher leveled than I am -- the difference is that, when most monsters spawn, other players always see it before I do.

 

... and it's got EVERYTHING to do with internet connection -- because I live in Canuckistan.

 

Most people operating off cable or DSL, particularly in the U.S., have a faster d/l rate than the second rate cable/dsl we have in Canada. While my Cable provides a 6.4 mbps, most of those players in the U.S. are operating at 21+. It's even worse if you've got a piece of crap Bell DSL network.

 

Any noob with a half-decent internet connection is going to see the monster spawn before I do and will get the first attack.

 

Unless, of course, I bring a cannon along.

 

Regardless -- IT'S STILL RUDE! If you go to a movie and there is a line up -- do you walk to the front of the line? No? Why not?

 

If you're waiting for a table at a restaurant, do you step in front of everyone else and take the next available table? No? Why not?


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I pretty much agree with this statement.

 

I do try a couple worlds for when I do kill things, but I do not wish to spend and hour to find a DK world. So I try a max of 4 worlds go back to the one with the weakest person/team and just take it for me.

 

 

To the comments on how is a low level supposed to make money when someone is crashing you? There has always been higher levels crashing lower levels. We persevered through it so can you. When your a lower level you just need to change your methods.

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Was watching a movie when my girlfriend said, "Lol, these two guys are trying to crash me at TDs." So I hopped on the other PC, grabbed a full inventory of Saradomin Brews and a few Prayer Potions and went and grabbed every TD in the world and brought them over.

 

Now the funny thing is they immediately said, "Nice lifes" (Good spelling / grammar to begin with). They sat there for a half hour to an hour saying, "Makes more sense for one to hop then two."

 

So my opinion is this:

In worlds were crashing is a must, that's fine. If I'm at Bandos and people stronger then me with chaotics come in, I understand and I leave. But at TDs where there is always an open world, lootshare or not, crashing is just being an arrogant [bleep].

 

:). They learned their lesson when they almost died multiple times. ^^. They didn't even hop... They sat there so long their unicorns left and they had to restock. Haha! Not that I cared, I was watching a movie while AFKing. =).

 

 

I agree with this. Basically in a situation where crashing is inevitable, such as a very highly used area, it is acceptable as it would happen whatsoever. However, if somebody crashes due to lazyness, it is plain rude. The internet does not mean you can be rude to whomever you like. Just because you have levels does not mean you have the right to be rude to whomever you like. Levels do not make you a better person than somebody else. Having the politeness to let somebody kill something in peace does make you a better person.


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That's pure and utter BS and you know it. Crashing seldom has anything to do with whether someone is higher level or better equipped. It entirely comes down to whether someone has a faster computer with a better connection.

 

Umm.. not really. You can beat people who are higher leveled and better geared than you. But that deals more with skill and timing and a lot less with internet connection. Unless you have like dial up or something.

 

There are very FEW people better equipped or higher leveled than I am -- the difference is that, when most monsters spawn, other players always see it before I do.

 

... and it's got EVERYTHING to do with internet connection -- because I live in Canuckistan.

 

Most people operating off cable or DSL, particularly in the U.S., have a faster d/l rate than the second rate cable/dsl we have in Canada. While my Cable provides a 6.4 mbps, most of those players in the U.S. are operating at 21+. It's even worse if you've got a piece of crap Bell DSL network.

 

Any noob with a half-decent internet connection is going to see the monster spawn before I do and will get the first attack.

 

So...since it happens to you, that means it happens to everyone?

Most of the places where people crash are MULTICOMBAT, we are talking about crashing BOSSES, like TORMENTED DEMONS, and BANDOS. We ARE NOT talking about crashing hill giants.

Crashing has everything to do with better stats and gear. Just because connection plays a role for a tiny portion of people, doesn't mean it's entirely based on connection.

If I'm soloing bandos with a CR, Ovl, Turmoil and yak, and you come in with a whip, super sets, piety and a tortoise, your connection isn't going to do you any good other than maybe getting the first hit.


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That's pure and utter BS and you know it. Crashing seldom has anything to do with whether someone is higher level or better equipped. It entirely comes down to whether someone has a faster computer with a better connection.

 

Umm.. not really. You can beat people who are higher leveled and better geared than you. But that deals more with skill and timing and a lot less with internet connection. Unless you have like dial up or something.

 

There are very FEW people better equipped or higher leveled than I am -- the difference is that, when most monsters spawn, other players always see it before I do.

 

... and it's got EVERYTHING to do with internet connection -- because I live in Canuckistan.

 

Most people operating off cable or DSL, particularly in the U.S., have a faster d/l rate than the second rate cable/dsl we have in Canada. While my Cable provides a 6.4 mbps, most of those players in the U.S. are operating at 21+. It's even worse if you've got a piece of crap Bell DSL network.

 

Any noob with a half-decent internet connection is going to see the monster spawn before I do and will get the first attack.

 

So...since it happens to you, that means it happens to everyone?

Most of the places where people crash are MULTICOMBAT, we are talking about crashing BOSSES, like TORMENTED DEMONS, and BANDOS. We ARE NOT talking about crashing hill giants.

Crashing has everything to do with better stats and gear. Just because connection plays a role for a tiny portion of people, doesn't mean it's entirely based on connection.

If I'm soloing bandos with a CR, Ovl, Turmoil and yak, and you come in with a whip, super sets, piety and a tortoise, your connection isn't going to do you any good other than maybe getting the first hit.

 

Actually -- no, you're talking out of your backside and you know it.

 

A similarly equipped player crashing me at a Boss Kill is going to get in his licks before I do. If two or more people show up, then I am lucky to make one hit before the boss is usually dead, or so far beaten down that I am not going to make enough damage to get the drop.

 

Oh -- and nice work ignoring the latter part of the discussion there. Really classy.

 

I guess you don't care if you're rude to other people -- particularly "on the Internet", because you're invisible and therefore invulnerable to that criteria which is required to function as a real human being.

 

What you don't see is how this crap continues to pay forward. Your rude behaviour only encourages more people to behave in likewise fashion. Eventually -- and Runescape is coming to this point in a hurry -- you end up with a gaming environment where everyone is rude, crass, vulgar and annoying and the games ceases to be of any enjoyment for anyone.

 

But hey -- what do YOU care -- you got those 30 extra gold pieces ahead of someone else, right? Right?


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is it odd that i don't care if others are rude, crass, or vulgar? i don't play this game to meet nice people.

 

i play for fun which, more often than not, for me involves pummeling the crap out of tough monsters and forcing them to unhand their valuables.

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is it odd that i don't care if others are rude, crass, or vulgar? i don't play this game to meet nice people.

 

i play for fun which, more often than not, for me involves pummeling the crap out of tough monsters and forcing them to unhand their valuables.

 

.. and the whole world revolves around just you, does it?


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If you go to a movie and there is a line up -- do you walk to the front of the line? No? Why not?

 

If you're waiting for a table at a restaurant, do you step in front of everyone else and take the next available table? No? Why not?

If you're at an auction, do you refrain from bidding because someone else already put in a bid? No? Why not?

 

If you're auditioning for a part in a play, do you back out because someone else is trying out for that part already? No? Why not?

 

Or, alternately:

If you go to a movie and there is a line up -- do you walk to the front of the line? No? Why not?

 

If you're waiting for a table at a restaurant, do you step in front of everyone else and take the next available table? No? Why not?

Exactly, it's rude to push people out of a spot, so if someone crashes you, the polite thing to do is to step aside and give them their turn. After all, if there's a long line behind you at the drinking fountain, it would be rude to stand there sipping for ten minutes while everyone else is waiting.

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The reason I didn't quote the part about it being rude, was because that's been stated many many many times already in this thread, I felt no need to go through it yet again. I was merely pointing out how much of a minority you seem to be in this situation, do you honestly think there's many people out there with as crap of an internet as you seem to have? VERY RARELY is a faster connection going to get you kills over a maxed player using the best gear, unless you're the same as well.

 

 

is it odd that i don't care if others are rude, crass, or vulgar? i don't play this game to meet nice people.

 

i play for fun which, more often than not, for me involves pummeling the crap out of tough monsters and forcing them to unhand their valuables.

 

.. and the whole world revolves around just you, does it?

 

And you saying that since connection affects you, it MUST affect everyone else at bosses as well isn't revolving around yourself?

 

 

Btw, I like how you call me rude, but if you were to read through the thread, you would know how against crashing I really am in most situations. Nice assumptions your making.


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If you go to a movie and there is a line up -- do you walk to the front of the line? No? Why not?

 

If you're waiting for a table at a restaurant, do you step in front of everyone else and take the next available table? No? Why not?

If you're at an auction, do you refrain from bidding because someone else already put in a bid? No? Why not?

 

If you're auditioning for a part in a play, do you back out because someone else is trying out for that part already? No? Why not?

 

Or, alternately:

If you go to a movie and there is a line up -- do you walk to the front of the line? No? Why not?

 

If you're waiting for a table at a restaurant, do you step in front of everyone else and take the next available table? No? Why not?

Exactly, it's rude to push people out of a spot, so if someone crashes you, the polite thing to do is to step aside and give them their turn. After all, if there's a long line behind you at the drinking fountain, it would be rude to stand there sipping for ten minutes while everyone else is waiting.

 

 

Ah yes -- how silly of me. It's ALL about YOU, isn't it?

 

It's about what YOU want, right? YOU must come FIRST before EVERYONE ELSE, because goodness knows that YOU are more important than the world at large, right?

 

Is this what civilization is reduced to? The point where self-indulgence takes precedence over decent human behaviour, and then gloats over it?

 

If so, then we're in one sad situation ... :unsure:


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If you go to a movie and there is a line up -- do you walk to the front of the line? No? Why not?

 

If you're waiting for a table at a restaurant, do you step in front of everyone else and take the next available table? No? Why not?

If you're at an auction, do you refrain from bidding because someone else already put in a bid? No? Why not?

 

If you're auditioning for a part in a play, do you back out because someone else is trying out for that part already? No? Why not?

 

Or, alternately:

If you go to a movie and there is a line up -- do you walk to the front of the line? No? Why not?

 

If you're waiting for a table at a restaurant, do you step in front of everyone else and take the next available table? No? Why not?

Exactly, it's rude to push people out of a spot, so if someone crashes you, the polite thing to do is to step aside and give them their turn. After all, if there's a long line behind you at the drinking fountain, it would be rude to stand there sipping for ten minutes while everyone else is waiting.

I would like to challenge your bijection.

Firstly everybody needs food. Nobody needs to hunt bosses.

In real life, the degree to which you will put food to use is not measured by your ability to cut in line.

Whereas your ability to hunt bosses is related (maybe not directly) to your ability to crash.

Nobody benefits from you eating food.

 

People benefit when you hunt bosses

Because somebody, somewhere, wants a godsword or a claw.

Such a people would benefit to have a higher level player/team hunt a boss.


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The reason I didn't quote the part about it being rude, was because that's been stated many many many times already in this thread, I felt no need to go through it yet again.

 

It is interesting to note the number of players who have all pretty much reached the same conclusions I have with respect to the adverse effect that rudeness is having on the game. Is it not?


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The reason I didn't quote the part about it being rude, was because that's been stated many many many times already in this thread, I felt no need to go through it yet again.

 

It is interesting to note the number of players who have all pretty much reached the same conclusions I have with respect to the adverse effect that rudeness is having on the game. Is it not?

argument: if a reasonable number of outspoken individuals reach a particular conclusion, their conclusion must be founded.

 

example: a majority of united states congressmen and women, whose opinions are well heard above those of a regular jackoff, concluded that invading iraq would be a good idea. therefore, their conclusion was founded.

 

to directly refute your anecdotal evidence, i have some anecdotal evidence of my own: i have more and better friends in runescape than i did 5 years ago.

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The reason I didn't quote the part about it being rude, was because that's been stated many many many times already in this thread, I felt no need to go through it yet again.

 

It is interesting to note the number of players who have all pretty much reached the same conclusions I have with respect to the adverse effect that rudeness is having on the game. Is it not?

 

That's cool, it's been discussed already before.


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Ah yes -- how silly of me. It's ALL about YOU, isn't it?

 

people tend to care most about situations that are relevant to them. this isn't selfish, it's just how people operate.

 

look at your own example:

 

Most people operating off cable or DSL, particularly in the U.S., have a faster d/l rate than the second rate cable/dsl we have in Canada. While my Cable provides a 6.4 mbps, most of those players in the U.S. are operating at 21+. It's even worse if you've got a piece of crap Bell DSL network.

 

Any noob with a half-decent internet connection is going to see the monster spawn before I do and will get the first attack.

 

you're probably like one in 1000 players who have this problem, yet you still generalize this issue to other people.

 

It is interesting to note the number of players who have all pretty much reached the same conclusions I have with respect to the adverse effect that rudeness is having on the game. Is it not?

 

not to be rude, but you (and others) should really start qualifying accepted truths. stupidity in numbers is still stupidity.


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I get what you are saying Blyaunte. It is a snowball effect that has been in the works for a while now, but is rapidly gaining speed (as it would) that rune players crash others, leading to them crashing others, leading to them crashing others etc etc etc. Eventually, a thread like this pops up which shows every new player who wishes to boss hunt that you have to crash, which leads to everybody being rude and crashing. A few years of that and new members stop boss hunting due to it being too hostile, which leads the game to stagnate.

 

That is a worst case scenario, but it does hurt to see the game go that way.

 

In an ideal world, people would not crash if they didn't have to, they would search an adequate number of worlds before resorting to crashing. They would still crash but they would do it in a polite manner, telling the other player their reasoning. However, this will not happen as this game is frequented by too many people who have not yet learn't moral standards and who do not care that other players like playing in a polite and friendly game world.


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The reason I didn't quote the part about it being rude, was because that's been stated many many many times already in this thread, I felt no need to go through it yet again.

 

It is interesting to note the number of players who have all pretty much reached the same conclusions I have with respect to the adverse effect that rudeness is having on the game. Is it not?

argument: if a reasonable number of outspoken individuals reach a particular conclusion, their conclusion must be founded.

 

example: a majority of united states officials, whose opinions are well heard above those of a regular jackoff, concluded that invading iraq would be a good idea. therefore, their conclusion was founded.

 

Tell me Blade, are you trying to argue that the game environment has NOT declined in recent years? That players are NOT more rude now than they used to be?

 

Because, if you are, then you're talking out of your ass. <_<


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... not to be rude, but you (and others) should really learn to question and qualify universally accepted morals. people who blindly follow morals will and are greatly taken advantage of in any social context. stupidity in numbers is still stupidity.

 

Ok -- I LOL'd at "universally accepted morals". Morality has nothing to do with this.

 

It's about consideration of your social environment. It's about learning how and why you need to interact with other people. What you're purporting is akin to saying that it is far better to look out only for yourself than to consider the quality of life of everyone involved.

 

It is precisely THAT kind of thinking that creates the societal woes we have today. No one bothers looking out for anyone else. No one gives a damn about improving OTHER people's quality of life. All that matters is that they get that item they want, and then piss on the rest of world in the process.

 

Honestly -- when is society going to learn that we cannot crap all over each other all the time and expect our civilization to move forward?


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my point was that a number, or even the majority, believing in something does not make it so.

 

and i don't think the community has really changed that much since 2007 (which was the last huge change in community orientation [clan chats, GE, and removal of traditional pvp], in my opinion), i think it's mostly that you and i have grown older and now expect a different community than what it has been. crashing has always had the same meanness about it - since the first time i was "crashed" at the hero's guild blue dragon in 2003 or 2004 by a guy with wind strikes - it's always been the same. but now that so many more parts of the game can be crashed (more bosses = higher odds that in a given hour of playing time you will experience a crasher), we notice it more.

 

oh, and if you think that societies function because of selflessness, then you are probably wrong.

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Ah yes -- how silly of me. It's ALL about YOU, isn't it?

 

It's about what YOU want, right? YOU must come FIRST before EVERYONE ELSE, because goodness knows that YOU are more important than the world at large, right?

 

Is this what civilization is reduced to? The point where self-indulgence takes precedence over decent human behaviour, and then gloats over it?

 

If so, then we're in one sad situation ... :unsure:

If you're so selfless, why do you have a problem with giving up a spot to a crasher? Practice what you preach and whatnot?

 

Tell me Blade, are you trying to argue that the game environment has NOT declined in recent years? That players are NOT more rude now than they used to be?

 

Because, if you are, then you're talking out of your ass. <_<

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my point was that a number, or even the majority, believing in something does not make it so.

 

I will concede that point in theory as it applies generally -- but I won't concede it in this case. The game environment has become a lot less friendly.

 

and i don't think the community has really changed that much since 2007 (which was the last huge change in community orientation [clan chats, GE, and removal of traditional pvp], in my opinion), i think it's mostly that you and i have grown older and now expect a different community than what it has been. crashing has always had the same meanness about it - since the first time i was "crashed" at the hero's guild blue dragon in 2003 or 2004 by a guy with wind strikes - it's always been the same. but now that so many more parts of the game can be crashed (more bosses = higher odds that in a given hour of playing time you will experience a crasher), we notice it more.

 

We notice it more because it happens far too frequently -- much more frequently than it used to happen. The attitude in the game has changed. People are a lot less friendly than they used to be.

 

In game, amongst most common question I am always asked is "Why are you so friendly when most high levels are [wagon]?" -- and I get asked that question *every* day.

 

Frankly -- IMO -- the game environment began declining when you could no longer "challenge" other players. After that, it became very easy for players to hide behind their view screens and act like malicious idiots.

 

Personally -- if people want to be "hot studs" and go about crashing others, then perhaps they should try crashing on PvP worlds ...


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The reason I didn't quote the part about it being rude, was because that's been stated many many many times already in this thread, I felt no need to go through it yet again.

 

It is interesting to note the number of players who have all pretty much reached the same conclusions I have with respect to the adverse effect that rudeness is having on the game. Is it not?

argument: if a reasonable number of outspoken individuals reach a particular conclusion, their conclusion must be founded.

 

example: a majority of united states officials, whose opinions are well heard above those of a regular jackoff, concluded that invading iraq would be a good idea. therefore, their conclusion was founded.

 

Tell me Blade, are you trying to argue that the game environment has NOT declined in recent years? That players are NOT more rude now than they used to be?

 

Because, if you are, then you're talking out of your ass. <_<

 

I've been crashed everywhere from DKs to KQ and the KBD over a span of five years. Nothing has changed really...

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... not to be rude, but you (and others) should really learn to question and qualify universally accepted morals. people who blindly follow morals will and are greatly taken advantage of in any social context. stupidity in numbers is still stupidity.

 

Ok -- I LOL'd at "universally accepted morals". Morality has nothing to do with this.

 

It's about consideration of your social environment. It's about learning how and why you need to interact with other people. What you're purporting is akin to saying that it is far better to look out only for yourself than to consider the quality of life of everyone involved.

 

It is precisely THAT kind of thinking that creates the societal woes we have today. No one bothers looking out for anyone else. No one gives a damn about improving OTHER people's quality of life. All that matters is that they get that item they want, and then piss on the rest of world in the process.

 

Honestly -- when is society going to learn that we cannot crap all over each other all the time and expect our civilization to move forward?

 

morality = how society accepts your actions. is it not? in this case we are really discussing a matter of societal expectations and therefore morality.

 

and no. the "societal woes" we have today are not due to just one line of thought. that's kind of simple minded to think so... in fact, it's kind of annoying that you think that, as a random person over the internet, you have so easily and simply deciphered how to improve our civilization

 

in general, most people do care about others. when you reward someone for caring about others, they are very glad to help. this is why we have morals in the first place. society needs a system of rewarding people for helping others. we act together in order to mutually benefit each other.

 

however, there are situations in which the accepted moral standard bears little relevance to the situation, or in fact does not help the society. an example of this is crashing. the accepted moral standard is "first come first serve", but when the setting is so full there is never really a "first to come", you just end up essentially waiting in line forever. this is not fair to you, and there is no particular reason why you should wait instead of another person. in addiition, having the strongest person win the spots is in one way societally beneficial because it increases the supply of useful items coming into the game.


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Ah yes -- how silly of me. It's ALL about YOU, isn't it?

 

It's about what YOU want, right? YOU must come FIRST before EVERYONE ELSE, because goodness knows that YOU are more important than the world at large, right?

 

Is this what civilization is reduced to? The point where self-indulgence takes precedence over decent human behaviour, and then gloats over it?

 

If so, then we're in one sad situation ... :unsure:

If you're so selfless, why do you have a problem with giving up a spot to a crasher? Practice what you preach and whatnot?

 

I always offer to share the spot. ALWAYS. :shame:


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