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i would make a merchant clan that buys out all bandos armors, and have members of my clan monopolize the bandos spawns? i guess lol.

 

edit: no crashing is an unstable equilibrium, so since there are no incentives preventing an individual from switching to the dominant strategy, the correct answer to your question is: "if no one crashed in any worlds, someone would crash".

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i would make a merchant clan that buys out all bandos armors, and have members of my clan monopolize the bandos spawns? i guess lol.

 

edit: no crashing is an unstable equilibrium, so since there are no incentives preventing an individual from switching to the dominant strategy, the correct answer to your question is: "if no one crashed in any worlds, someone would crash".

Nash Equilibrium, no matter what the other person does or thinks of you it's best to crash than not to crash.


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Its like crashing someone in runescape.

 

In other words, [cabbage] happens.

Arrogant trolls should have over 1300+ total level.

 

OT: Crashing for a limited resource is fine. Crashing "for lols" is just stupid.

How is it arrogant?

 

I've come to accept that this game has competition involved, and that each player has been crashed, or has been the crasher, at some point in there RS lives.

 

Its simply the way the game works. Most skills, and combat, work on "limited" resources.

 

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Also i love how you picked on total level, having an opinion has no level requirement. One shouldn't have to waste ones life away on useless 99's in order to have an opinion on the game.


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People seem to assert there are no reasons to crash. That's simply untrue, unfounded and false. You either crash, or don't take a spot at some places. Goodluck getting a world at Bandos at peak hours if you don't crash.

 

EDIT - Well, seeing as previous posts were removed.. I'll remove the first part of my post

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Okay. Arguing in circles doesn't work.

 

Discussion; If no one crashed any worlds on RuneScape, what would happen? To the Economy, to the society, to PvM and to gameplay in general.

 

Society would become less catty because less incidence of flaming and hassolish behavior

PvM would become a huge pain because of inability to find worlds and having to hop forever. Profitability will be heavily influenced by competition, so you'll probably see a lot more people making money in alternative ways.

The effect on item prices would be hard to say, and depends on the context.

 

For situations where the worlds are already saturated and have one person killing almost all the time (i.e. Bandos), less Bandos items would be coming into the game so supply decreases. For situations where the worlds aren't already saturated, they will probably become more saturated, increasing supply.


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Okay. Arguing in circles doesn't work.

 

Discussion; If no one crashed any worlds on RuneScape, what would happen? To the Economy, to the society, to PvM and to gameplay in general.

 

Society would become less catty because less incidence of flaming and hassolish behavior

PvM would become a huge pain because of inability to find worlds and having to hop forever. Profitability will be heavily influenced by competition, so you'll probably see a lot more people making money in alternative ways.

The effect on item prices would be hard to say, and depends on the context.

 

For situations where the worlds are already saturated and have one person killing almost all the time (i.e. Bandos), less Bandos items would be coming into the game so supply decreases. For situations where the worlds aren't already saturated, they will probably become more saturated, increasing supply.

 

No to less catty, someone sitting there will still say hurry up and leave so i can kill even if they arent going to outright steal the kill.

 

PvM would be a pain and people would make money elsewhere (likely in equally competitive ways such as rune mining)

 

The same quantity of bandos items would be created as we can assume someone will jump in as the other person leaves regardless

 

just my theory anyways :shades:

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The same quantity of bandos items would be created as we can assume someone will jump in as the other person leaves regardless

 

No, at the moment you already have high level players on every world (because many of them have to crash). If there wasn't crashing, less efficient players would hog worlds, so you'd still have people there 24/7, but the number of kills would significantly decrease.


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The same quantity of bandos items would be created as we can assume someone will jump in as the other person leaves regardless

 

No, at the moment you already have high level players on every world (because many of them have to crash). If there wasn't crashing, less efficient players would hog worlds, so you'd still have people there 24/7, but the number of kills would significantly decrease.

But what about those with half decent stats who either want to kill Bosses for fun or to just collect one piece of equipment to help pay for something? Yeah I know Crashing happens, you leveled your stats yatta yatta [cabbage] [cabbage] [cabbage], but you have to admit, players at my level with an average offence (120cb) are going to see bosses as crap because they cant even have a chance to try it. and same goes for the next gen of runescape players.

 

 

I know High levels probably worked their arse off to get maxed (or botted), but that doesn't mean you have overall rights in how the game should function. Yes you deserve those kills, but so does every other player. Including those trying to learn to boss hunt so when they DO get good enough stats, they dont get raped or used but some lazy player who forces them to tank while they take the kill.


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I know High levels probably worked their arse off to get maxed (or botted), but that doesn't mean you have overall rights in how the game should function. Yes you deserve those kills, but so does every other player. Including those trying to learn to boss hunt so when they DO get good enough stats, they dont get raped or used but some lazy player who forces them to tank while they take the kill.

 

Seeing as Jagex themselves have come out and said that people should "Get big or get out", and that there are a limited number of boss spawns per world I would say that, yeah, high levelled players do have overall rights in how the game should function.

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The same quantity of bandos items would be created as we can assume someone will jump in as the other person leaves regardless

 

No, at the moment you already have high level players on every world (because many of them have to crash). If there wasn't crashing, less efficient players would hog worlds, so you'd still have people there 24/7, but the number of kills would significantly decrease.

But what about those with half decent stats who either want to kill Bosses for fun or to just collect one piece of equipment to help pay for something? Yeah I know Crashing happens, you leveled your stats yatta yatta [cabbage] [cabbage] [cabbage], but you have to admit, players at my level with an average offence (120cb) are going to see bosses as crap because they cant even have a chance to try it. and same goes for the next gen of runescape players.

 

 

I know High levels probably worked their arse off to get maxed (or botted), but that doesn't mean you have overall rights in how the game should function. Yes you deserve those kills, but so does every other player. Including those trying to learn to boss hunt so when they DO get good enough stats, they dont get raped or used but some lazy player who forces them to tank while they take the kill.

 

All of your concerns have been responded to in this thread. Do a little reading.

 

Also, what SirHartlar said.


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Not to sound mean, but...

 

Even in the real world, opinions are opinions are opinions. Everyone has them and feels like they should have weight. But they don't really matter unless you have the power to enforce them. One example would be how blizzard/activision treats its players. At least in the short run, they can farm as much profit off of their players as they want, even if it's morally and ethically bankrupt to do so, and get plenty of crap for it.

 

Fundamentally, we just have two opposing opinions. You say that the person who gets there first deserves the spot. I say the person who can utilize the spot more efficiently deserves the spot. Both are opinions, but we're the ones who have the power to make the final decision. Most other argument is just rationalization of opinion - neither holds any fundamental truth.


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The same quantity of bandos items would be created as we can assume someone will jump in as the other person leaves regardless

 

No, at the moment you already have high level players on every world (because many of them have to crash). If there wasn't crashing, less efficient players would hog worlds, so you'd still have people there 24/7, but the number of kills would significantly decrease.

But what about those with half decent stats who either want to kill Bosses for fun or to just collect one piece of equipment to help pay for something? Yeah I know Crashing happens, you leveled your stats yatta yatta [cabbage] [cabbage] [cabbage], but you have to admit, players at my level with an average offence (120cb) are going to see bosses as crap because they cant even have a chance to try it. and same goes for the next gen of runescape players.

 

 

I know High levels probably worked their arse off to get maxed (or botted), but that doesn't mean you have overall rights in how the game should function. Yes you deserve those kills, but so does every other player. Including those trying to learn to boss hunt so when they DO get good enough stats, they dont get raped or used but some lazy player who forces them to tank while they take the kill.

 

 

Its called EXCLUSIVE content. Either get the stats, or don't use it. I don't have every spirit shield. DAMN THOSE MERCHENTS IF THEY LOWERED THE PRICES I COULD HAVE ALL THE SHIELDS.

 

Life isn't far. Neither is RS. If you want a piece of the pie, you go train other places. Bandos isn't even good money. I do it for S&G.


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OP posted his life story on being a jerk to stroke his ego. lol.


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OP posted his life story on being a jerk to stroke his ego. lol.

Prove it/proof?


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Was watching a movie when my girlfriend said, "Lol, these two guys are trying to crash me at TDs." So I hopped on the other PC, grabbed a full inventory of Saradomin Brews and a few Prayer Potions and went and grabbed every TD in the world and brought them over.

 

Now the funny thing is they immediately said, "Nice lifes" (Good spelling / grammar to begin with). They sat there for a half hour to an hour saying, "Makes more sense for one to hop then two."

 

So my opinion is this:

In worlds were crashing is a must, that's fine. If I'm at Bandos and people stronger then me with chaotics come in, I understand and I leave. But at TDs where there is always an open world, lootshare or not, crashing is just being an arrogant [bleep].

 

:). They learned their lesson when they almost died multiple times. ^^. They didn't even hop... They sat there so long their unicorns left and they had to restock. Haha! Not that I cared, I was watching a movie while AFKing. =).


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Did they almost all died at different times???


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OP posted his life story on being a jerk to stroke his ego. lol.

Prove it/proof?

 

Every post you make I can see you did policy debate at some point or another.


PM me in game anytime

 

It's a lot easier then that for an idiot to sound smart on the internet.

 

That's exactly what you're doing right now... just saying.

 

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OP posted his life story on being a jerk to stroke his ego. lol.

Prove it/proof?

 

Every post you make I can see you did policy debate at some point or another.

Yes lol. I'm actually switching majors, most likely, to politics and governmental policy, with a focus on constitutional law.

 

To Wicked. If you are soloing on ANY ls world you ask to be crashed. Your GF should have changed worlds. In this case, I'd say the others were more right then her. First come first serve is of little importance.


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Was watching a movie when my girlfriend said, "Lol, these two guys are trying to crash me at TDs." So I hopped on the other PC, grabbed a full inventory of Saradomin Brews and a few Prayer Potions and went and grabbed every TD in the world and brought them over.

 

Now the funny thing is they immediately said, "Nice lifes" (Good spelling / grammar to begin with). They sat there for a half hour to an hour saying, "Makes more sense for one to hop then two."

 

So my opinion is this:

In worlds were crashing is a must, that's fine. If I'm at Bandos and people stronger then me with chaotics come in, I understand and I leave. But at TDs where there is always an open world, lootshare or not, crashing is just being an arrogant [bleep].

 

:). They learned their lesson when they almost died multiple times. ^^. They didn't even hop... They sat there so long their unicorns left and they had to restock. Haha! Not that I cared, I was watching a movie while AFKing. =).

 

crashing should only be done if you are the strongest. To a lower level/undergeared player its a waste of time to crash someone stronger then you.

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OP posted his life story on being a jerk to stroke his ego. lol.

Prove it/proof?

 

Every post you make I can see you did policy debate at some point or another.

 

Whats teh warrant

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Was watching a movie when my girlfriend said, "Lol, these two guys are trying to crash me at TDs." So I hopped on the other PC, grabbed a full inventory of Saradomin Brews and a few Prayer Potions and went and grabbed every TD in the world and brought them over.

 

Now the funny thing is they immediately said, "Nice lifes" (Good spelling / grammar to begin with). They sat there for a half hour to an hour saying, "Makes more sense for one to hop then two."

 

So my opinion is this:

In worlds were crashing is a must, that's fine. If I'm at Bandos and people stronger then me with chaotics come in, I understand and I leave. But at TDs where there is always an open world, lootshare or not, crashing is just being an arrogant [bleep].

 

:). They learned their lesson when they almost died multiple times. ^^. They didn't even hop... They sat there so long their unicorns left and they had to restock. Haha! Not that I cared, I was watching a movie while AFKing. =).

 

crashing should only be done if you are the strongest. To a lower level/undergeared player its a waste of time to crash someone stronger then you.

Rofl you obvious never been to tds.


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To Wicked. If you are soloing on ANY ls world you ask to be crashed. Your GF should have changed worlds. In this case, I'd say the others were more right then her. First come first serve is of little importance.

Maybe so, but with TDs, especially late at night on Wednesday, there is always an open LS world. They just ran up, didn't bother to even try to look for an open. =/


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Just a random story

 

Me and 2 of my friends were trio tribriding DKs, when this other trio of like...a level 118, 122, and 136 (with a torso, d skirt and glory) tried to crash us.

They get the first supreme kill they go for, simply because we weren't ready for crashers then, so they took it while we were killing rex. So they get the kill, and do the ever popular "OMG [email protected]@[email protected]@! LOlOLO [email protected][email protected]"

 

We say cool, we've gotten 2 zerkers (which wasn't a lie) and I say I have the money if they wanted proof, They respond with "How cure, they brought cash to lie"

They then proceed to try and crash us for a good 10 minutes...getting no kills, constantly saying "they mad, they mad", "we sniped archers, they so mad", "Lol, they try to talk trash, they mad"

 

I said a total of two lines...

my other friends literally said nothing.

 

This really doesn't add anything to this thread, I just thought it was a funny crash related occurrence.


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Was watching a movie when my girlfriend said, "Lol, these two guys are trying to crash me at TDs." So I hopped on the other PC, grabbed a full inventory of Saradomin Brews and a few Prayer Potions and went and grabbed every TD in the world and brought them over.

 

Now the funny thing is they immediately said, "Nice lifes" (Good spelling / grammar to begin with). They sat there for a half hour to an hour saying, "Makes more sense for one to hop then two."

 

So my opinion is this:

In worlds were crashing is a must, that's fine. If I'm at Bandos and people stronger then me with chaotics come in, I understand and I leave. But at TDs where there is always an open world, lootshare or not, crashing is just being an arrogant [bleep].

 

:). They learned their lesson when they almost died multiple times. ^^. They didn't even hop... They sat there so long their unicorns left and they had to restock. Haha! Not that I cared, I was watching a movie while AFKing. =).

 

crashing should only be done if you are the strongest. To a lower level/undergeared player its a waste of time to crash someone stronger then you.

 

That's pure and utter BS and you know it. Crashing seldom has anything to do with whether someone is higher level or better equipped. It entirely comes down to whether someone has a faster computer with a better connection.

 

Either way - it's plain rude.


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