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Would Runescape still be here without Fan-sites?

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Now on the surface, the question in the title may seem simple to answer right? Fan-sites don't directly add any content to the game, they don't effect the core of the game in any way, yet, I believe that without them, a majority of us would not be playing the game right now, and the game may not even have existed this long.

 

Firstly, lets look at what fan-sites add to the game, specifically, a person's enjoyment of it. Forums for runescape have created a sense of community, a place for people to share goals/achievements and to discuss anything relating to the game. Without forums, would you have as much drive to attain the goals that you do? Would you be as excited about playing a new quest without the community to drive you to complete it quick before others?

 

Would the clan world that we have even exist? Without somewhere to advertise a clan, somewhere to show victories and discuss strategies, would any of the clans around now be there and the communities which have arisen around them?

 

I have played many other MMO's during the last 7 years, but none have had such a solid infrastructure of trusted fan-sites and large communities around them.

 

Now, we have the ability to access to RSOF, but in almost all the above areas, they are lacking badly. However, is this then, a good thing? If the RSOF for example used the same software as Tip.it, and had all the things tip.it had, would the atmosphere and community still work? I think it wouldn't. Due to it's size, a good tight nit community cannot work on the RSOF even if it was a good forum. Because RS has a variety of different fan sites, you are able to go to a community in which you fit and that you like, one that is small enough to be recognisable, yet large enough to be active. And if we were all using the RSOF, we would all be stuck with the millions who spam and rant on a regular basis, drowning out even the slimmest chances of a good atmosphere.

 

So in a way, Jagex's failure to create a good forum has saved their game (in my opinion) due to making fan-sites necessary. In turn, these fan-sites have all creates mini-communities around them, which also wouldn't have existed.

 

Are sites such as tip.it as vital as my mind thinks to the success of Runescape?

Should Jagex give more recognition to Fan-sites due to this?

How many of you would still have any interest in the game and it's community without Fan-sites?


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No, because people would make them.

 

You have cause and effect mixed up. Runescape isn't popular because of its fansites. It has fansites because it's popular.

 

 

I disagree (to an extent)

 

Runescape originally had the popularity to create fan-sites, but in a hypothetical world in which they hadn't been made, would Runescape have achieved the longevity which it has?


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Yeah fansites do not cause popularity

popularity causes fansites

 

Can fansites lead someone to a game, movie, tv show, book or w/e? yes they can but they do not account for the popularity of the item. They can only exist off the back of the items popularity.

 

In this case I think its obvious that the fansites dont keep rs alive in that they all have quiet forums, less monthly hits and lower google rankings than the runescape stie itself.


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I'd say you could say popularity leads to fansites leads to popularity and so on and so on. I do think people would still play RS without fansites, but it'd be much harder to share information, which means I'd still be using my ring of wealth :-?.


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I'm going to answer the question strait forward. Yes, without Runescape a fan site wouldn't be needed correct? So if Runescape didn't become popular then fan-sites wouldn't have became as big and popular from a community stand point and from a forum member population standpoint.


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I would have had YouTube, but I see your point.

 

I would probably still be playing, but I wouldn't know as many people if it weren't for fan sites.

I'm not sure if fan sites helped the game, but I think they help the community of the game.

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Without this wonderful fansite I doubt I'd personally be playing, or atleast as much as I do at the moment. I often play just to have a picture I can post on the screenshot thread, or to try out a method I see in the AOW.

 

Plus, I wouldn't have met DenDen <3: , so my RS life would be boring, even if I did still play.

 

To answer the question: Yes, the fansites are made as a consequence of a game's popularity, but they create wider communities that don't necessarily have to play the game; the amount of people I see that have retired, or are taking a break but still enjoy reading forums certainly backs up this theory. Without fansites the community is left ot thrive on the facilites created by the game itself, and however good these are, I don't think they could ever accumulate to the same scale as a fansite can give.


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The greater need for fan-sites and external communities, the more the game company has failed to deliver.


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Runescape would be a more annoying place without fansites ;)


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No, because people would make them.

 

You have cause and effect mixed up. Runescape isn't popular because of its fansites. It has fansites because it's popular.

 

 

I disagree (to an extent)

 

Runescape originally had the popularity to create fan-sites, but in a hypothetical world in which they hadn't been made, would Runescape have achieved the longevity which it has?

No, because if it had, people would have made fansites for it, and since there are no fansites, it obviously didn't.

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No, because people would make them.

 

You have cause and effect mixed up. Runescape isn't popular because of its fansites. It has fansites because it's popular.

 

 

I disagree (to an extent)

 

Runescape originally had the popularity to create fan-sites, but in a hypothetical world in which they hadn't been made, would Runescape have achieved the longevity which it has?

 

That is a non-argument. We don't know what would happen in this "hypothetical" world because it doesn't exist. Its similar to the anthropomorphic argument for intelligent design.


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It doesn't matter if it hasn't happened. We can use intelligence to infer what may have happened if something else didn't. It takes a little more than five seconds to think of causes and effects and how changing one cause may effect another thing, but it is an important thing to do.


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It doesn't matter if it hasn't happened. We can use intelligence to infer what may have happened if something else didn't. It takes a little more than five seconds to think of causes and effects and how changing one cause may effect another thing, but it is an important thing to do.

 

In this case, I'd say there's little to no importance. If there were no fansites and no possible way to create them (which is silly, but whatever), we'd just be stuck using the RSOF. That's it, really. There's very little discussion value here, I'm afraid.


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Disregarding the stupid chicken and egg argument above, I would say that even without fan sites, Runescape would still be a fairly large MMO.

 

In fact, I would say that without fan sites at all, Runescape probably would not lose any of it's player base. But if there had been no fan sites to begin with, then the player base would be smaller due to less people knowing about the game. Just my thoughts.


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Definitely in runescape's infancy, fan sites were important.

Jagex neither had any advertising or any knowledge base/forums.

Tipit was certainly a key source of information at that time.

Nowadays, it's not so important and tipit has become an opinion depot and apparently the home of efficiency trolling.

You know the place where every thread about hypothetical situations turns into "this is not worthy of discussion" or "you sir have a non-argument, I deny your creationist views".


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as it stands right now, very few of the random people I run into, know of fan sites.

runescape would still survive without fan sites IMO, not in the same state, but it would still survive.


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That's a question that needs a bit of clarification. If we're thinking up a hypothetical world where Runescape was created, but no fansites ever came of it because the game itself is different than the one we currently have, then it's clear that Runescape can't have been popular.

 

If on the other hand, and I think this is the one Danq is referring to, we're coming up with a world where the Runescape game is identical, but by sheer coincidence, the founders of tip.it, runehq or any other real or imaginary fansite never discovered the game, then Runescape as a whole would have suffered for it. It would probably never have survived past the end of '06. If the fan sites went away now through sheer coincidence, Runescape would probably last a fair while, at least a few years. If the people who were members of the fansites disappeared too, it would collapse instantly. Then again, there would probably be global panic as thousands of people around the world vanish into thin air simultaneously, so that's the least of our worries.


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This is silly. If no fansites existed, that would be runescape's failing, not the fan sites. Any sufficiently popular thing has websites made about it, that's the way the world works.

 

Fansites exist because runescape is popular enough to warrant them- fansites are in no way essential for the survival of runescape except in that if all fansites fell inactive it would almost certainly mean runescape was dying on its own. There's no conceivable way runescape could be popular without fansites coming into existence as a result, so there's nothing to discuss here.


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I would have to say No, because most RS players don't even use RSOF let alone fan sites.


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I think you meant 'Yes' then? :unsure:

 

If Tip.It didn't exist, something else would. If fansites didn't exist, it's because RuneScape isn't popular enough. The only exception to that rule are cult games, and RuneScape is far from developing a cult any time soon.

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I think you meant 'Yes' then? :unsure:

 

If Tip.It didn't exist, something else would. If fansites didn't exist, it's because RuneScape isn't popular enough. The only exception to that rule are cult games, and RuneScape is far from developing a cult any time soon.

Meh you're right misread the question, the first post answers no to the question so kind of confusing.


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You know, I'm surprised at the lack of imagination and thinking outside the box that General discussion seems to have nowdays.

 

To put it in a more simple way, imagine if all fansites suddenly disappear, and no way for any fan-sites to be made after. If this had happened in, for example 06, would many of the higher levels of today still be here?


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You know, I'm surprised at the lack of imagination and thinking outside the box that General discussion seems to have nowdays.

 

You're right -- it couldn't possibly be the lack of discussion value or anything ridiculous like that. The obvious explanation is that we all lack imagination. :rolleyes:


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You know, I'm surprised at the lack of imagination and thinking outside the box that General discussion seems to have nowdays.

 

To put it in a more simple way, imagine if all fansites suddenly disappear, and no way for any fan-sites to be made after. If this had happened in, for example 06, would many of the higher levels of today still be here?

They'd move to some other platform, either IRC, Skype, MSN, etc.


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