obfuscator Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 Well, it's their game so it's up to them. Wish I could help you out.This, basically. That question has no place here (directed at our moderation at least). "It's not a rest for me, it's a rest for the weights." - Dom Mazzetti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginger_Warrior Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 Hmm... I understand that ideal. But you can fully understand why a company would want their specialist staff to be actually, y'know, working instead of attending Q&A sessions. | Favourite Game Music | Last.fm | HYT Friend Chat Rules | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assume Nothing Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 Well, it's their game so it's up to them. Wish I could help you out.This, basically. That question has no place here (directed at our moderation at least). That's true. Perhaps there should be a thread made about it, and the concept ties in with Racheya's recent Times article "I don't care" Has Tip.It ever considered hiring a Jmod to moderate the boards? The idea is likely to be impractical, but it could provide some insight into the workings of JaGex... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obfuscator Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 With what money lol? No one gets paid to moderate here, and I kind of doubt jmods just want to come and post on a forum they don't care about.. "It's not a rest for me, it's a rest for the weights." - Dom Mazzetti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Observer Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 Hmm... I understand that ideal. But you can fully understand why a company would want their specialist staff to be actually, y'know, working instead of attending Q&A sessions. Yeah, that's why I said it wouldn't really work out too well. Not to mention it would soon become expected if something like this happens again. Well, it's their game so it's up to them. Wish I could help you out.This, basically. That question has no place here (directed at our moderation at least). That's true. Perhaps there should be a thread made about it, and the concept ties in with Racheya's recent Times article "I don't care" Has Tip.It ever considered hiring a Jmod to moderate the boards? The idea is likely to be impractical, but it could provide some insight into the workings of JaGex... Well, that's a pretty good idea with the Tip.it Times Article. If you lot want to address your concerns to Jagex, that's quite possibly one of the best ways to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assume Nothing Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 With what money lol? No one gets paid to moderate here, and I kind of doubt jmods just want to come and post on a forum they don't care about.. Should one of the company's objectives be that they ought to be more vocal and open with the community, moderating and posting on boards like these would be very effective in doing so, therefore it would be in the company's best interests to post/moderate on boards like Tip.It. In contrast to Q&A's/Jmod events, it would allow Jmods to actually listen to their players' opinions in a medium that isn't spammed extensively and potentially game-changing discussions could take place. The money problem could be resolved by funding through advertising, although it may be insufficient thus an alternative solution would have to be made should the idea be considered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Racheya Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 With what money lol? No one gets paid to moderate here, and I kind of doubt jmods just want to come and post on a forum they don't care about.. Should one of the company's objectives be that they ought to be more vocal and open with the community, moderating and posting on boards like these would be very effective in doing so. In contrast to Q&A's/Jmod events, it would allow Jmods to actually listen to their players' opinions in a medium that isn't spammed extensively and potentially game-changing discussions could take place. The money problem could be solved by funding through advertising, although it may be insufficient thus an alternative solution would have to be made should the idea be considered.Frankly, it's an insane idea. No way could we just buy a JMod. Even if every page on the site was plastered with 5 banners and 10 popups I doubt a site could make enough to hire a person on that basis. I edit for the [Tip.It Times]. I rarely write in [My Blog]. I am an [Ex-Moderator]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assume Nothing Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 With what money lol? No one gets paid to moderate here, and I kind of doubt jmods just want to come and post on a forum they don't care about.. Should one of the company's objectives be that they ought to be more vocal and open with the community, moderating and posting on boards like these would be very effective in doing so. In contrast to Q&A's/Jmod events, it would allow Jmods to actually listen to their players' opinions in a medium that isn't spammed extensively and potentially game-changing discussions could take place. The money problem could be solved by funding through advertising, although it may be insufficient thus an alternative solution would have to be made should the idea be considered.Frankly, it's an insane idea. No way could we just buy a JMod. Even if every page on the site was plastered with 5 banners and 10 popups I doubt a site could make enough to hire a person on that basis. I will agree that the idea is rather peculiar, but it may be worth considering nonetheless. If the money problem could be resolved, what's stopping Jmods from posting and moderating these boards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Observer Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 Mostly their busy work at Jagex. Considering they develop a new game once every month when they get bored of one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obfuscator Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 As interesting an idea as it is, we can't do anything about it. Tell that to Jagex, see what they say. "It's not a rest for me, it's a rest for the weights." - Dom Mazzetti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginger_Warrior Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 There is also a question of Tip.It's independence here. Several people on this thread have claimed, wrongly, that the site's platinum status has affected the enforcement of certain rules. 'Hiring' someone from Jagex in the way you're suggesting would mean that impartiality flying out of the window. | Favourite Game Music | Last.fm | HYT Friend Chat Rules | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
das Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 There is also a question of Tip.It's independence here. Several people on this thread have claimed, wrongly, that the site's platinum status has affected the enforcement of certain rules. 'Hiring' someone from Jagex in the way you're suggesting would mean that impartiality flying out of the window.Yep, I wouldn't want jagex with any power on these boards. We have full control now, I'd like to see TIF keep it. "Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up, and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable - a most sacred right - a right, which we hope and believe, is to liberate the world."Abraham Lincoln Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Range_This11 Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 I don't think the users would stand for any sort of control by Jagex. Not only that, but I doubt Jagex would even want to. "He could climb to it, if he climbed alone, and once there he could suck on the pap of life, gulp down the incomparable milk of wonder." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obfuscator Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 I don't think the users anyone would stand for any sort of control by Jagex. Not only that, but I doubt Jagex would even want to. Fixed. The day Jagex starts moderating this forum is the day I leave it. "It's not a rest for me, it's a rest for the weights." - Dom Mazzetti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaida23 Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 I don't think the users anyone would stand for any sort of control by Jagex. Not only that, but I doubt Jagex would even want to. Fixed. The day Jagex starts moderating this forum is the day I leave it.Agreed. If I wanted to read/post on the RSOF, I would. Check out my blog to read the Adventures of a Big Damn (F2P) Hero. THE place for all free players to connect, hang out and talk about how awesome it is to be F2P. So, Kaida is the real version of every fictional science-badass? That explains a lot, actually... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lose No Hope Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 anything giving you multiple actions from 1 button press is not. I'm sorry, but did I miss something? They say that 1:2+ is illegal, which I understand, but did they say anything about 2:2 or an equal number of button presses for an equal number of actions? I might have misunderstood, but I don't think they touched on 2:2, 3:3, 4:4, etc. at all. [hide]unbinding green's kidneys for ltk's heartdo you farm guam like me sir ltk[/hide] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonlordjl Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 Jagex is so full of [cabbage]. I've used Wicked's TD item-switching script and my kills are not noticeably faster than someone with identical gear/stats not using the script. In fact, some of the time he finishes before I do. It's just MORE ENJOYABLE, and less hard on my wrists. Oh well, [bleep] them. The site traffic on RS.com has been falling sharply for a long time, and it's finally reached the point where more people are leaving the game than joining, which is why Jagex keeps creating more gimmicks to try to boost membership revenue. The "active users" is an inflated statistic, which relies heavily on the amount of bots. The game as we know it will be dead in two years or less. It'll become like those crappy Korean mmos where almost every "player" you see is a bot account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginger_Warrior Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 Lol, only six months ago I remember you lot singing Jagex's praises when asked whether RuneScape had 'jumped the shark'. I'm not sure it was you specifically but there was certainly a vocal majority who thought it hadn't. But that's a debate for another time I guess. | Favourite Game Music | Last.fm | HYT Friend Chat Rules | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stev Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 It's just MORE ENJOYABLE, and less hard on my wrists.Ex-[bleep]ing-actly. The scripts are greatly and very widely used. I know because of the hundreds of PMs I get on the AHK forum and other forums they've been released on about how-to-use them, thanking me, and giving me more ideas. This isn't because they make things faster, or because it gives them an advantage, but because they can customize controls, remap their F-keys, the way they want to. TBH, I lost all of what little respect I had left for Jagex when I saw that e-mail response. It was well written by someone who had absolutely no idea what they were talking about. Also someone who hadn't read more then but 20 lines of the code provided. Mousemove breaks the manual input nature of RuneScape.Really? Maybe removes the grinding nature of RuneScape, but not the manual nature. Provided an input be required to call the mouse movement, then manual input is still required. Loop, 6Click_BMI(A_Index, 4)Click_BC()ReturnThe fact that they quoted a "script", which really wasn't even a script, and left out the line directly above it saying "12+ inputs here" saying that it broke the rules because it required 1 input for 12+ actions? Seriously. Like I said, I usually don't lash out. I've had calm conversations with administrators and mods that I dislike, but I'm high as hell and Jagex down right pissed me off. They're simply butthurt because I'm helping doing what they can't; making their game enjoyable and less "grinding". The most damning offender is the Mousemove command as this allows the player to do something he couldn’t normally do and gain a huge advantage.A player wouldn't usually be able to move their mouse? You use the terrible example...F8: “Mouseclick, left” would be legal as it’s virtually identical in both cases...which says having pressing the F8 click for you is OK because it's pretty well identical. It's taking one input and changing it to 1 other action. Funny, isn't...F8:: Mousemove, -100, 0,, R...also changing 1 type of input to another? Also, Jagex, really nice syntax in your bull-[cabbage] example. Our investigations team has been looking at this in the past week and have finally come to me with an answer.Shouldn't this team be investigating ways to detect the thousands of bots in every corner of RuneScape, rather then the people attempting to make theirs, and everyone else', game a little more bearable? No, instead you threaten to ban users of scripts. Scripts that save 10 milliseconds of an action, swapping it for an easier one. Scripts that require you to be sitting at your computer typing commands and inputs. Scripts that actually make your pathetic game a bit more fun to play. You're making a big deal over someone enabling quick prayer at the press of a button (or two), someone quickly enabling special attack at a boss, someone quickly switching gear at Tormented Demons, someone making it so they can actually stand to play your game, yet you're letting these thousands of bots take over and run your game. You can't tackle the big guys, can you Jagex, so you go for the little ones. You know for a god-damn fact you can't take on bots and the bot problem. Meh, not that anyone should be worried. When he says...Unless the scripts are very basic and striped of almost everything, using them will get you banned....he really means to say...If we had any means of detecting the usage of such scripts, we'd then investigate, but not ban, your account so that it could be added to the RSOF thread about bot busting. But, you see, we can't even detect the bots with 99 Ranged/Defence/Hitpoints/Attack/Strength (And how do you think they all got those levels?) who are ruining godwars and slayer for everybody. You know, those bots that follow the same exact patterns; each and every one of them. I was completely disgusted with the response they gave. They took all but 5 minutes to skim through something that definitely seems like they knew nothing about, and threw together a quick 5 minutes response to an issue that has been huge for their biggest fan site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 Why try wicked? They're not going to go back on what they've said no matter how much evidence you put forth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obfuscator Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 Why try wicked? They're not going to go back on what they've said no matter how much evidence you put forth.He should be complaining to Jagex, not us. I don't even necessarily disagree with him but we are enforcing this rule until Jagex changes it. "It's not a rest for me, it's a rest for the weights." - Dom Mazzetti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 Why try wicked? They're not going to go back on what they've said no matter how much evidence you put forth.He should be complaining to Jagex, not us. I don't even necessarily disagree with him but we are enforcing this rule until Jagex changes it. I don't think the users anyone would stand for any sort of control by Jagex. Not only that, but I doubt Jagex would even want to. Fixed. The day Jagex starts moderating this forum is the day I leave it. :| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obfuscator Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 ? Jagex doesn't run this forum; we've just decided to enforce runescape rules. "It's not a rest for me, it's a rest for the weights." - Dom Mazzetti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 Why try wicked? They're not going to go back on what they've said no matter how much evidence you put forth.He should be complaining to Jagex, not us. I don't even necessarily disagree with him but we are enforcing this rule until Jagex changes it. I don't even necessarily disagree with him but we are enforcing this rule until Jagex changes it.we are enforcing this rule until Jagex changes it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Observer Posted June 3, 2011 Share Posted June 3, 2011 A moderator can still disagree with the reasoning of the rule even though they still enforce it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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