TIF is bit over-moderated

[Stev]

Why try wicked? They're not going to go back on what they've said no matter how much evidence you put forth.

He should be complaining to Jagex, not us. I don't even necessarily disagree with him but we are enforcing this rule until Jagex changes it.

I'm not complaining to you guys. I'm voicing my opinion on a thread that for the last 30+ pages has been focussed on this issue.

 

I don't even play this game anymore because I'm sick and tired of it. I'm sick of the way Jagex treats its players; the people that pay their cheques and put money in their wallets and food on their tables. We are treated like numbers, not like people, real people, sitting behind at our computers to get away from RL. That response was the perfect example. A huge dilemma on their biggest fansite, and they take all but 5 minutes to whip up a reply.

 

I'm sick of them blatantly lying to our faces (So to speak). I'm sick of their attitude toward the game. Their game is community based and they don't even give a damn about that. Who was asked about the Facebook addition? Anyone? Nope, something that greatly decreased account security, that seemingly no one wanted, was forced on us without question. And in the past few months, these things have continued to happen. They don't listen, nor do they care about the opinions of those who play their game.

 

So, I've quit. I gave away near 18 partyhats and things which added to ~32B. I left myself enough to have a good time if I decide to play, but I've not played more then 5-10 minutes in the past 2 weeks or so... With exception to my TD trip earlier. I continue to write scripts (Obviously), will continue to write scripts to help out.

[obfuscator]

Why try wicked? They're not going to go back on what they've said no matter how much evidence you put forth.

He should be complaining to Jagex, not us. I don't even necessarily disagree with him but we are enforcing this rule until Jagex changes it.

 

I don't even necessarily disagree with him but we are enforcing this rule until Jagex changes it.

we are enforcing this rule until Jagex changes it.

What Killerred said. The staff isn't one big entity where everyone has the same opinion about everything. The decision we made as a collective is to enforce runescape rules here. I may not neccessarily agree with that stance but it is my job to moderate according to the rules so I will do so.

[Dragonlordjl]

As bloody irritating as Jagex's response is, is anybody actually surprised?

[das]

Not suprised at all,

 

Well, that takes care of that.

[Alg]

As bloody irritating as Jagex's response is, is anybody actually surprised?

It seemed pretty obvious to me that their response would look like that.

[curtis95112]

As bloody irritating as Jagex's response is, is anybody actually surprised?

 

Of course not. I doubt the technical team spent much time on it, if any.

 

Anyway, thank you TIF for providing their reply.

[LinkOlaran]

So, we waited for 3+ weeks for the equivalent of a monkey on a typewriter to finally dig through the Jagex emails, and hammer out random keys until we get this in response?

 

Somehow, I'm not surprised. This IS Jagex after all :rolleyes:

 

I personally don't use scripts or anything myself, but my personal opinion is that Jagex is full of [cabbage]. But, not much you can do about it, is there? It's not like Jagex has the ability to detect and ban the use of these scripts anyway - if they can't even detect the hordes of bots on every world in every common skilling/killing location, then there's no chance in hell they have the mental capacity of sitting there to come up with a method of detecting the use of these scripts.

 

I could say more, but I may get this post removed if I do. Quite honestly, I'm just as sick of Jagex as a lot of other posters are, hence why I haven't been playing much recently.

 

Meh. I'm unsure what'll happen now, but... I hope things work out, regardless of what Jedgax [bleep]s up next. And yes, that was a purposeful misspelled taunt.

[PereGrin]

Original e-mail sent to Jagex:

 

[hide]Hi there,

 

Several autohotkey scripts have become a large topic of debate on Tip.It and we are hoping to get some confirmation as to whether they are allowed under RuneScape's Rules or not. Our understanding is that autohotkeys are allowed as long as they are used within the "1 input: 1 output" guideline. But there are some doubts as to whether or not the scripts in question operate within those guidelines or not. For example, if you have to hold down two keys to get a two part output script to run, is that considered two inputs for two outputs? Or since the keys have to be held down simultaneously, is that one input for two outputs? How about moving the curser to an absolute position on the screen? And then there's the question of whether or not it's acceptable to call a function that moves the mouse to an absolute location and clicks with just one input.

 

We have provided a long list of scripts at the bottom of this e-mail, that we are hoping could be reviewed by a qualified member of the macro investigation team. They don't have to look at every single one since we know there's a lot, but hopefully they will examine enough to determine if there are any that violate the RuneScape Rules.

 

Many thanks for your assistance!

Tip.it Admin Team

 

Scripts removed. ~ Sio[/hide]

 

Jagex's reply:

 

Hi,

 

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like

 

Thanks,

 

Eduardo

 

After much intense study, I have managed to decipher what the email from Jagex meant. I have now rendered it in a more useful and applicable form.

[Ginger_Warrior]

If whimsical insanity be the rules we must follow, then we have to. In any case, rightly or wrongly, the scripts are illegal.

 

We're not exactly in a position to be telling Jagex otherwise, and tbh even if we were, I for one have got more important problems to solve.

[Alg]

After much intense study, I have managed to decipher what the email from Jagex meant. I have now rendered it in a more useful and applicable form.

Quite mature. It's an answer you don't like, therefore Jagex is full of [cabbage]. That is how logic works, see? :mrgreen:

 

I don't care that I'm flamebaiting here, to be honest. The answer is extremely clear - The scripts are not allowed. It doesn't matter what they actually do, you asked for and received an answer from the guys that decide everything.

[curtis95112]

After much intense study, I have managed to decipher what the email from Jagex meant. I have now rendered it in a more useful and applicable form.

Quite mature. It's an answer you don't like, therefore Jagex is full of [cabbage]. That is how logic works, see? :mrgreen:

 

I don't care that I'm flamebaiting here, to be honest. The answer is extremely clear - The scripts are not allowed. It doesn't matter what they actually do, you asked for and received an answer from the guys that decide everything.

 

I don't think anyone disagrees with that. It is Jagex's game after all. It's just that they're being infuriating. I especially sympathize with Wicked. Hours and hours of coding just trying to help people, and Jagex gives the default reply in return. Not that it was much of a surprise of course. But you do have to wonder if their answer might have been different had a tech guy looked through the scripts and Wicked's reasoning. And done it properly, not the skimming that seems to have occurred.

 

In any case, that's this matter wrapped up.

[Aiel]

I think the fact that they said "you cant just click 1 key and have 12 actions happen" when it clearly said 12 inputs invalidates there response in all logical terms. They didn't even address the whether 2:2 or 3:3 inputs follow the 1:1 rule, which was the main issue. It'd be nice to send another email and ask for a response on that specific issue. Not that we wouldn't just get a cookie cutter "bots r bad" response back again.

[Stev]

After much intense study, I have managed to decipher what the email from Jagex meant. I have now rendered it in a more useful and applicable form.

Quite mature. It's an answer you don't like, therefore Jagex is full of [cabbage]. That is how logic works, see? :mrgreen:

 

I don't care that I'm flamebaiting here, to be honest. The answer is extremely clear - The scripts are not allowed. It doesn't matter what they actually do, you asked for and received an answer from the guys that decide everything.

 

I don't think anyone disagrees with that. It is Jagex's game after all. It's just that they're being infuriating. I especially sympathize with Wicked. Hours and hours of coding just trying to help people, and Jagex gives the default reply in return. Not that it was much of a surprise of course. But you do have to wonder if their answer might have been different had a tech guy looked through the scripts and Wicked's reasoning. And done it properly, not the skimming that seems to have occurred.

 

In any case, that's this matter wrapped up.

Meh. As everyone has stated, and Jagex should be proud as hell about, no one here was surprised to get such a garbage response. I wouldn't mind if they said they were illegal but actually spent time to write up a reply and say why. Or if they actually had someone who knew WTH they were talking about write the reply. Like...

F8: "Mouseclick, left"

...WTF is that? A hotkey or something?

 

I felt like I got spit in the face, and so should the TIF admins and mods. For something such a big deal for their largest fan-site, Jagex simply seems like, "Meh, whatever. Let's get this reply done so I can go play some foosball."

 

Meh, plenty of other ways I can help out (As if I'll stop the scripting ;)).

[Tim]

Awe man! At least give me a party hat. I'll never afford one since I lost mine in Classic Wicked_. :( (Seriously, I kick myself daily for how much they rose and how I cant make that cash amount)

 

Well, at least we've managed to get our answers. It's a shame though but sadly jagex just think "Oh, well since you've taken the time to design it and barely anyone knows, its unfair and we'll ban you for it. IN OTHER NEWS we heard some players bugged 30b+ from the Fremmy Saga update. Oh well, we'll get them next time"

[Dragonlordjl]

Just as a further blow towards Grimy's website and its followers, tip it has now censored the url for Grimy's Website.

 

Keep fighting the good fights, boys. Even though Jagex doesn't give a [cabbage] about enforcing their rules and would probably prefer that EVERYBODY botted, so that they wouldn't have to deal with complaints about their piss-poor service.

[Tim]

Grave digger.

[All_Is_Great]

Just as a further blow towards Grimy's website and its followers, tip it has now censored the url for Grimy's Website.

 

Keep fighting the good fights, boys. Even though Jagex doesn't give a [cabbage] about enforcing their rules and would probably prefer that EVERYBODY botted, so that they wouldn't have to deal with complaints about their piss-poor service.

 

Haha thats awesome.

[Rainy_Day]

Just as a further blow towards Grimy's website and its followers, tip it has now censored the url for Grimy's Website.

 

Keep fighting the good fights, boys. Even though Jagex doesn't give a [cabbage] about enforcing their rules and would probably prefer that EVERYBODY botted, so that they wouldn't have to deal with complaints about their piss-poor service.

Well that's certainly clutching at straws. But anyway, take your issue to Jagex, not us.

[brunokiller]

Just as a further blow towards Grimy's website and its followers, tip it has now censored the url for Grimy's Website.

 

Keep fighting the good fights, boys. Even though Jagex doesn't give a [cabbage] about enforcing their rules and would probably prefer that EVERYBODY botted, so that they wouldn't have to deal with complaints about their piss-poor service.

Well that's certainly clutching at straws. But anyway, take your issue to Jagex, not us.

You´re censoring links, not jagex.

 

They clearly skimmed through the script..Not that I use those my self, anyways

[The Observer]

The reason why they're censoring the site because it breaks the rules according to Jagex. You have to draw the line somewhere. Sure, it is different from some RWT or bot trading site, but still, at the end of the day, it breaks the rules. Tip.it is not here to make your lives miserable, they just enforce the rules that they set forth. If they start to lax on them, then what should be allowed next? Botting and RWT sites?

 

Jagex customer support sucks, quite frankly, and I'm sure we can all agree on that. However, anything regarding that should be directed at them. I do know how much it sucks and because of that I know that you're not doing anything for anything malicious. I mean, you guys have a community set up for for a specific purpose, and it does its job well. You just want that community to grow. So the site in general didn't do anything wrong morally, it's just one of those victims of Jagex's poor customer support system. Just be sure to look at it from Tip.it's standpoint too. They don't want to be a site that endorses RuneScape rule breaking, especially if they've been specifically told by Jagex that they are indeed against the rules.

 

Your best bet would be to contact them in some form or another. Some of you have contacts other than those provided such as the high level forum or the PMod forums... I think the latter would work considering how PMods are supposed to be there to enforce the rules, and if you have a question towards it then there shouldn't be any problems.

 

Just my two cents anyway.

[Ginger_Warrior]

Just as a further blow towards Grimy's website and its followers, tip it has now censored the url for Grimy's Website.

 

Keep fighting the good fights, boys. Even though Jagex doesn't give a [cabbage] about enforcing their rules and would probably prefer that EVERYBODY botted, so that they wouldn't have to deal with complaints about their piss-poor service.

That's good to hear, actually. No seriously.

 

See, if rule-breaking websites only had to change their URL in order to evade the censor, well, that really would make the admins a bunch of idiots. So it's glad to know they follow up on things like this.

 

On an unrelated note, I'm happy that over the past two to four weeks, the OT board has really enjoyed a boom in good threads, aided by unrestrictive moderating. I mean, I know many websites would have banned the Where in the World is Tip.It thread and the several polls asking for general, non-personal details. Also, some of the themes raised in the Today... thread could've been seen as harmful, but weren't. It's nice to see common sense allowing for good discussion.

[Danqazmlp]

Didn't it get censored a while ago when we got the message back from Jagex saying it contained rule-breaking content? Why bring it up now.

[Dragonlordjl]

Didn't it get censored a while ago when we got the message back from Jagex saying it contained rule-breaking content? Why bring it up now.

:???:

 

That was my bad, lol. I didn't realize this particular event happened a few months ago ;.....;

[Lose No Hope]

That's good to hear, actually. No seriously.

 

See, if rule-breaking websites only had to change their URL in order to evade the censor, well, that really would make the admins a bunch of idiots. So it's glad to know they follow up on things like this.

Are you implying that Grimy's forums changed their URL to evade a censor?

[Ginger_Warrior]

No, I'm not as it happens; I know why you moved URLs because you've discussed it on your forum which is in the public domain. The post was pretty clear in its implications. Which is why I'm a little surprised, disappointed even, to see this argument being raised from the dead over a non-issue.

 

I think we can both agree on the central point that if a rule-breaking website (any hypothetical website, a porn website for a non-RS related example) were to change its URL for whatever reason, it would only be common sense to block the new URL as well if the website in question is still breaking rules, yes?