Cheefoo Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 [hide]It's not like "multiverse" is something Jagex made up. It's an actual real word in actual English. It doesn't make it any less stupid. "Universe" is meant to be the all encompassing entirety of existence. "Multiverse" is just redundant.Actually, no.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYAdwS5MFjQ And http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI50HN0Kshg OR (I'm more of a fan of this one)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkxieS-6WuAhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySBaYMESb8o Can go on all day, the point is, the term "multiverse" is not redundant, far from it actually... May I suggest you consider the idea of looking at a universe as a "plane" of existence with its own natural "rules", and compare it to a multiverse, where there might be other universes with different rules? I guess that's the tl;dr version.[/hide] You do know who Michio Kaku is, right? He's a TV personality. He's an entertainer. He's a theoretical physicist who won't shut up about science fiction, futurism, and worst of all, string theory. He's only here to make science sound cool. The term "multiverse" at its core is redundant. As I said before, universe means "everything". There can't be more than one "everything", unless you're playing "what ifs" like DC comics, Marvel comics, and string theorists love to do. Sure, Runescape is a fantasy game, sure it can indulge itself in any silly pseudoscience bullshit it wants, but it doesn't even use the idea consistently. It's said that Guthix opened portals to different planes of reality after he stole Katagorborgogath's sword. One of these "planes" was a moon inhabited with fairies. It turns out that this moon was Gielinor's, and it was known as Zanaris. That means Zanaris and Gielinor, although referred to as "seperate planes" are actually existant not only in the same UNIVERSE, but also right next to eachother. [spoiler=I LOVE MY STATION] 01001001001001110110110100100000010101000111011101100101011011000111011001100101001000000110000101101110011001000010000001110111011010000110000101110100001000000110100101110011001000000111010001101000011010010111001100111111 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sy_Accursed Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 [hide]It's not like "multiverse" is something Jagex made up. It's an actual real word in actual English. It doesn't make it any less stupid. "Universe" is meant to be the all encompassing entirety of existence. "Multiverse" is just redundant.Actually, no.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYAdwS5MFjQ And http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI50HN0Kshg OR (I'm more of a fan of this one)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkxieS-6WuAhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySBaYMESb8o Can go on all day, the point is, the term "multiverse" is not redundant, far from it actually... May I suggest you consider the idea of looking at a universe as a "plane" of existence with its own natural "rules", and compare it to a multiverse, where there might be other universes with different rules? I guess that's the tl;dr version.[/hide] You do know who Michio Kaku is, right? He's a TV personality. He's an entertainer. He's a theoretical physicist who won't shut up about science fiction, futurism, and worst of all, string theory. He's only here to make science sound cool. The term "multiverse" at its core is redundant. As I said before, universe means "everything". There can't be more than one "everything", unless you're playing "what ifs" like DC comics, Marvel comics, and string theorists love to do. Sure, Runescape is a fantasy game, sure it can indulge itself in any silly pseudoscience bullshit it wants, but it doesn't even use the idea consistently. It's said that Guthix opened portals to different planes of reality after he stole Katagorborgogath's sword. One of these "planes" was a moon inhabited with fairies. It turns out that this moon was Gielinor's, and it was known as Zanaris. That means Zanaris and Gielinor, although referred to as "seperate planes" are actually existant not only in the same UNIVERSE, but also right next to eachother. Multiverse is by no means redundant. Yes the Universe is everything, but that is only one meaning of the word and specifically the Universe, universe as a general noun also refers to a particular sphere of interest, activity or experience. By the later definition we live in a universe (a particular sphere of experience, being our reality), which we happen to called the Universe (all known matter and space).It does not preclude the existence of a parallel universe - a secondary sphere of experience that occupies the exact same space and time as we do but within alternate parameters of existence.The multiverse is simply a collective term for the summation of all parallel universe. You are getting very ranty over a subject that even by modern science is considered a valid, albeit unproven, possiblity. And even with that aside it's a weel established and widely used fantasy concept that is perfectly understandable and usable. Also they specifically said in the FAQ the fairy homeworld was NOT Gielinor's moon. Operation Gold Sparkles :: Chompy Kills :: Full Profound :: Champions :: Barbarian Notes :: Champions Tackle Box :: MA RewardsDragonkin Journals :: Ports Stories :: Elder Chronicles :: Boss Slayer :: Penance King :: Kal'gerion Titles :: Gold Statue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golvellius Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 I swear people will argue semantics over the damnest of things on tipit.I think some people need to goto 07 servers and play "making history" quest.This lore of guthix using portals to other worlds and dimensions to bring beings to Gielinor is nothing new.In fact, Siren and the elves were there before Guthix and you get to see the first meeting of elves and humans.I hope that the story unfolds were we seek the help of siren, perhaps the last true godly ally the mortals have in the war against the gods. 1 Exclusive Legacy Mode Player He just successfully trolled you with "courtesy" and managed to get a reaction out of you. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alg Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 You are getting very ranty over a subject that even by modern science is considered a valid, albeit unproven, possiblity. And even with that aside it's a weel established and widely used fantasy concept that is perfectly understandable and usable.But it's one that's hard to do properly, and if done improperly it makes a giant mess of an otherwise good setting. Even if it's done well it's still liable to overcomplicate things. 1 I painted some stuff and put it on tumblr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sy_Accursed Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 I swear people will argue semantics over the damnest of things on tipit.I think some people need to goto 07 servers and play "making history" quest.This lore of guthix using portals to other worlds and dimensions to bring beings to Gielinor is nothing new.In fact, Siren and the elves were there before Guthix and you get to see the first meeting of elves and humans.I hope that the story unfolds were we seek the help of siren, perhaps the last true godly ally the mortals have in the war against the gods. 1) Seren not Siren2) Guthix Memories & Origins of Gielinor confirmed Guthix brought the Elves and that Guthix was first on Gielinor3) This Guthixian Memory therefore means, through the Meeting History thing, that Seren & Elves came before humans, but Guthix certainly brought them. In fact judging by the lore we have it seems Guthix brought Elves, Dwarves, Faires (and quite possibly Gnomes though no true confirm on this, as the 'squat race' mention in memories could be either or dwarf or gnome) as the initial choices and very much suggests humans were some what an after thought - we don't even get a mention in the video or the memories.4) Meeting History doesn't actually show elves and humans meeting, just an elf scout spotting them and running off Operation Gold Sparkles :: Chompy Kills :: Full Profound :: Champions :: Barbarian Notes :: Champions Tackle Box :: MA RewardsDragonkin Journals :: Ports Stories :: Elder Chronicles :: Boss Slayer :: Penance King :: Kal'gerion Titles :: Gold Statue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheefoo Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 Yes the Universe is everything, but that is only one meaning of the word and specifically the Universe, universe as a general noun also refers to a particular sphere of interest, activity or experience. By the later definition we live in a universe (a particular sphere of experience, being our reality), which we happen to called the Universe (all known matter and space).Where did you get that definition? I've never heard anyone use it like that. Oh right, you Googled "universe definition". Also they specifically said in the FAQ the fairy homeworld was NOT Gielinor's moon."Guthix mentions that Zanaris is a moon near a lush-looking planet. Is Zanaris Gielinor's moon? If not, why does it seem like the fairies, who Guthix brought to Gielinor, have mostly returned to their homeworld? Mod Osborne: You're correct in all your comments. Remember that Zanaris is the gateway through which a number of races came to Gielinor, so the fairies are likely there to manage that in some way." You should've Googled that one. But it's one that's hard to do properly, and if done improperly it makes a giant mess of an otherwise good setting. Even if it's done well it's still liable to overcomplicate things. Exactly. It's unnecessary theoretical science bullshit that can only A) Make string theorists sound smart, B) Retcon ridiculous stories for lazy comic writers, or C) Make a story infinitely more complex than it needs to be. The new lore we got from the butterflies was a bit of a shock. They're introducing way too many concepts in such a small span of time. Now we're told Runescape itself is pretty much working off of string theory. Please. It's a bit insulting that they think they can forcefeed us all this ridiculous lore without any content to go with it. It's like they copypasted some excerpt from some 14 year old's overwritten fanfic and called it Runescape. [spoiler=I LOVE MY STATION] 01001001001001110110110100100000010101000111011101100101011011000111011001100101001000000110000101101110011001000010000001110111011010000110000101110100001000000110100101110011001000000111010001101000011010010111001100111111 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sy_Accursed Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 Your complicating matters too much if you really wanna focus on string theory, you don't need any of that to understand what multiverse means - I'm fairly sure most small children would immediately know roughly what a multiverse is meant to be without having encountered the concept before, it's a self explanatory name and the scientific concepts behind it are hardly necessary to understand it in a face value fantasy game context. Besides your main point seems to be that you think multiverse is too complex for RS, which is a valid opinion you just seem to of shot yourself in the foot by trying to argue that the concept of a multiverse is redundant in of itself opposed to simply that you do not think it is right for RS. And eh I mis-remembered the answer to one FAQ it's an easy mistake, I'm only human. Operation Gold Sparkles :: Chompy Kills :: Full Profound :: Champions :: Barbarian Notes :: Champions Tackle Box :: MA RewardsDragonkin Journals :: Ports Stories :: Elder Chronicles :: Boss Slayer :: Penance King :: Kal'gerion Titles :: Gold Statue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheefoo Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 Your complicating matters too much if you really wanna focus on string theory, you don't need any of that to understand what multiverse means - I'm fairly sure most small children would immediately know roughly what a multiverse is meant to be without having encountered the concept before, it's a self explanatory name and the scientific concepts behind it are hardly necessary to understand it in a face value fantasy game context. Besides your main point seems to be that you think multiverse is too complex for RS, which is a valid opinion you just seem to of shot yourself in the foot by trying to argue that the concept of a multiverse is redundant in of itself opposed to simply that you do not think it is right for RS. And eh I mis-remembered the answer to one FAQ its an easy mistake, I'm only human. The word itself is stupid. It's an abortion of language. The "uni" in universe is supposed to symbolize the singular everything of existence. Changing that to "multi" just diminishes its poignancy. The idea isn't entirely stupid, but it's entirely fictitious and definitely shouldn't just be stapled onto an otherwise cohesive story. [spoiler=I LOVE MY STATION] 01001001001001110110110100100000010101000111011101100101011011000111011001100101001000000110000101101110011001000010000001110111011010000110000101110100001000000110100101110011001000000111010001101000011010010111001100111111 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alg Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 It's a bit insulting that they think they can forcefeed us all this ridiculous lore without any content to go with it. It's like they copypasted some excerpt from some 14 year old's overwritten fanfic and called it Runescape.To be fair, it's a lot of the same lore that we've had for a long time now (we visit other planes regularly, and the game's creation story has been common knowledge for a while). They're just presenting it in the most ridiculous way they can: with the word "multiverse". I liked it better when it was "other planes", personally. I painted some stuff and put it on tumblr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheefoo Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 It's a bit insulting that they think they can forcefeed us all this ridiculous lore without any content to go with it. It's like they copypasted some excerpt from some 14 year old's overwritten fanfic and called it Runescape.To be fair, it's a lot of the same lore that we've had for a long time now (we visit other planes regularly, and the game's creation story has been common knowledge for a while). They're just presenting it in the most ridiculous way they can: with the word "multiverse". Also Guthix had a daughter and she died because "I hear that's a good way to motivate a character"Also Saradomin was a blue giant because "I hear that his favorite color was blue"Also Guthix killed Skaragaroth because "I can't think of any other way for Guthix to just become a god so let's pull some serious Deus Ex Machina, and Skargereoth sounds like a good fantasy name, right?"Also Tuska is in no way Bandos because "I hear fans like when two unrelated characters look similar, hey maybe we can later rip off some of their speculations on their relationship"Also Seren is Guthix's waifu because "I hear fans shipping these two all the time"Also there are 12 powerful elder artifacts because "lol yugioh lol dragonball lol collecting magical items omg lol im such a good writer" [spoiler=I LOVE MY STATION] 01001001001001110110110100100000010101000111011101100101011011000111011001100101001000000110000101101110011001000010000001110111011010000110000101110100001000000110100101110011001000000111010001101000011010010111001100111111 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alg Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 Also Seren is Guthix's waifu because "I hear fans shipping these two all the time"In hindsight, shipping these two makes a lot more sense than >98% of ships on the internet. BRB writing fanfiction. I painted some stuff and put it on tumblr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saradomin_Mage Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 Also Seren is Guthix's waifu because "I hear fans shipping these two all the time"In hindsight, shipping these two makes a lot more sense than >98% of ships on the internet. BRB writing fanfiction.Be sure to follow up on Zu Zu x Tomlin. In real life MMO you don't get 99 smithing by making endless bronze daggers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassynder Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 So I think Sliske's gonna use himself as a host for Zaros's "spirit" so he can return now that the edicts are broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puzzle105 Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 I've been catching butterflies and liking the free xp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaida23 Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 All right everyone, let's take a deep breath and calm down. If this sort of thing continues warnings WILL be handed out. You've been, well, warned. ;) Check out my blog to read the Adventures of a Big Damn (F2P) Hero. THE place for all free players to connect, hang out and talk about how awesome it is to be F2P. So, Kaida is the real version of every fictional science-badass? That explains a lot, actually... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel555555 Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 So I think Sliske's gonna use himself as a host for Zaros's "spirit" so he can return now that the edicts are broken. I'm thinking that silske's going to use the staff to make himself strong enough to resist being possessed. Unless zaros gains more power based on the power of his host? It would make more sense for him to not go after the strongest follower he has so that he doesnt waste a useful pawn. He'd need a body strong enough to contain his power without it destroying itself while too strong a body is just overkill. assuming it works like that. [spoiler=click you know you wanna]Me behave? Seriously? As a child I saw Tarzan almost naked, Cinderella arrived home from a party after midnight, Pinocchio told lies, Aladin was a thief, Batman drove over 200 miles an hour, Snow White lived in a house with seven men, Popeye smoked a pipe and had tattoos, Pac man ran around to digital music while eating pills that enhanced his performance, and Shaggy and Scooby were mystery solving hippies who always had the munchies. The fault is not mine! if you had this childhood and loved it put this in your signature! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgehog Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 Sliske will probably try to trick us into being the host because he couldn't get us to be one of his wights earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sylpheed Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 Considering the dialogue of Temple of Senntisten and Azzanadra's general attitude towards us, I would say that WE are the vessel that Zaros intends to use to return. In regards to Sliske, Jagex have already hinted that Sliske most likely doesn't intend to use the staff to become a God, let alone usurp Zaros. Obviously we don't know much at this point, but considering how level minded the Zarosian Mahjarrat are with the exception of Sliske, I can't see Zaros being anything but respectful of his most powerful allies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urza285 Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 That is a really awesome idea to what might go on. I mean Sliske could have been doing/hiding a heck of a lot in his shadow realm. I would imagine that the shadow realm might actually be something moreso under Zaros power of influence and had only taught Sliske how to manipulate it. With that said maybe Zaros actual body might be locked up in a deep dark shadowy fortress in the shadow realm. Maxed [February 14, 2012] | Completionist [October 25, 2012] | Trimmed Completionist [in Progress]Visit my Blog! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urza285 Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Azzanadra seems to have a good heart all around. I bet he would reflect a spell binding Zaros to a host back on to Sliske. Thereaftet stating that sliske was too much of a risk to the empire. Would make for a nice GM comical climax twist. Anyone notice how Sliske has the darkest skin of all his kin? Maxed [February 14, 2012] | Completionist [October 25, 2012] | Trimmed Completionist [in Progress]Visit my Blog! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blutters Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Anyone notice how Sliske has the darkest skin of all his kin?No, but I did notice he was the only one of them to receive a graphical update. That probably explains it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alg Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Anyone notice how Sliske has the darkest skin of all his kin?No, but I did notice he was the only one of them to receive a graphical update. That probably explains it.To be fair, he's also the one that's aligned/strongest with shadows and darkness. I painted some stuff and put it on tumblr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sy_Accursed Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Sliske will probably try to trick us into being the host because he couldn't get us to be one of his wights earlier.Considering the dialogue of Temple of Senntisten and Azzanadra's general attitude towards us, I would say that WE are the vessel that Zaros intends to use to return. In regards to Sliske, Jagex have already hinted that Sliske most likely doesn't intend to use the staff to become a God, let alone usurp Zaros. Obviously we don't know much at this point, but considering how level minded the Zarosian Mahjarrat are with the exception of Sliske, I can't see Zaros being anything but respectful of his most powerful allies.That is a really awesome idea to what might go on. I mean Sliske could have been doing/hiding a heck of a lot in his shadow realm. I would imagine that the shadow realm might actually be something moreso under Zaros power of influence and had only taught Sliske how to manipulate it. With that said maybe Zaros actual body might be locked up in a deep dark shadowy fortress in the shadow realm. If anything I'd say Sliske (in TWW) was purposefully trying to get us Guthix magic'd to STOP us being the host precisely because he wants to make us a wight.; I also wouldn't be surprised if the whole Staff of Armadyl turns out to be a deal whereby he charged it up with god blood to help Dragonkin escape the stone and in exchange they will help corner us for wighting. I'd actually quite like if we had a long grandmaster quest in which we actually got made into a wight, but our god powers meant we still had control, in order to infiltrate somewhere and perhaps even managed to free the other wights from servitude before we come back to life. Certainly from our treatment by Azzandra it would seem like we were meant to be a host, I mean fudge we managed to break him out! And retrive 3 uber hard to get artefacts to make the link; but this has scuppered this. As for shadow realm and Zaros - Zaros certainly has power there he after all cursed the 6 involved in getting the staff to Zammy to live there as ghosts, but Sliske isn't alone in using the shadow realm. Let us not forget Khazard purposefully escaped death by moving to the shadow realm after his defeat in Fight Arena AND he took Bouncer with him as well as seemingly taking equipment there to produce the shadow sword. Operation Gold Sparkles :: Chompy Kills :: Full Profound :: Champions :: Barbarian Notes :: Champions Tackle Box :: MA RewardsDragonkin Journals :: Ports Stories :: Elder Chronicles :: Boss Slayer :: Penance King :: Kal'gerion Titles :: Gold Statue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassynder Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 The Dragonkin predate Guthix, right?Maybe they went into rage-mode when Guthix used the Stone but couldn't do anything about it because he was too powerful.MAYBE Sliske made a pact with them; kill Guthix for us and you can have the Staff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troacctid Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 The Dragonkin predate Guthix, right?Maybe they went into rage-mode when Guthix used the Stone but couldn't do anything about it because he was too powerful.MAYBE Sliske made a pact with them; kill Guthix for us and you can have the Staff.Guthix could presumably never become more powerful than the dragonkin by using the stone because the dragonkin would get stronger as he drew more power from it (as seen with Lucien vs. dragonkin in Ritual of the Mahjarrat). Read my blog | Follow me on Twitter | Track my XP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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