Future Update Discussions

[Yoko Kurama]

 

Back when Dungeoneering was lively (as late as the summer of 2012 when I got 120 Dungeoneering), there were several 'official' and 'unofficial' worlds, and several clans/friends chats for Dungeoneering which had their own worlds where you could join them for all sorts of Dungeoneering styles: fast-paced rushing, or relaxed skilling, or a mixture. I used to alternate between them based on my mood. The only option was not to do it with a bunch of random people all day, who would quit and cuss at you. There were communities out there. Now, that's all been lost.

 

Except a lot of the decent teams also tended to be abusive whenever a mistake was made. This left people with the options to put up with abusive players or get terrible exp. For most people teams are still the best option for exp, but if they don't want to deal with abusive players there are other options now.

 

 

From my experience, the abusive teams were usually part of the 'rushing, or maximum efficiency' style groups. Even then, many of them had systems of tutoring newbs into their ways, and would often gently push you into the right way, and would only resort to pure abuse if you were repeatedly incompetent or failed to listen. Still, I admit, abuse was there.

 

There were also mixed style teams/clans, and skilling clans, where abuse was virtually non-existent.

 

I found that even if you were a noob and weren't a great at dungeoneering, if you simply were willing to listen to people when they would give you instructions or correct your mistakes, they'd be patient and wouldn't be abusive.

[helring]

 

 

Back when Dungeoneering was lively (as late as the summer of 2012 when I got 120 Dungeoneering), there were several 'official' and 'unofficial' worlds, and several clans/friends chats for Dungeoneering which had their own worlds where you could join them for all sorts of Dungeoneering styles: fast-paced rushing, or relaxed skilling, or a mixture. I used to alternate between them based on my mood. The only option was not to do it with a bunch of random people all day, who would quit and cuss at you. There were communities out there. Now, that's all been lost.

 

Except a lot of the decent teams also tended to be abusive whenever a mistake was made. This left people with the options to put up with abusive players or get terrible exp. For most people teams are still the best option for exp, but if they don't want to deal with abusive players there are other options now.

 

 

From my experience, the abusive teams were usually part of the 'rushing, or maximum efficiency' style groups. Even then, many of them had systems of tutoring newbs into their ways, and would often gently push you into the right way, and would only resort to pure abuse if you were repeatedly incompetent or failed to listen. Still, I admit, abuse was there.

 

There were also mixed style teams/clans, and skilling clans, where abuse was virtually non-existent.

 

I found that even if you were a noob and weren't a great at dungeoneering, if you simply were willing to listen to people when they would give you instructions or correct your mistakes, they'd be patient and wouldn't be abusive.

 

 

I know there were some decent groups out there and I played with a few. But, the nicer groups seemed to be harder to find than the larger ones that tended to have abusive players. I had several friends that basically gave up on dunge except a dunge here or there because they couldn't take the abuse and rage-quitting. I'm not saying everyone was terrible, but in many ways better solo exp, challenges, and sinkholes saved the skill for many players.

[Blofeld]

Question: what if the way the xp you get at the end of the dungeon had an extra factor based on your contirbution to the floor out of your team. Limited to say a fraction of 80-120% of your score. There are many ways contribution could be tracked, for example the amount of doors you have opened personally as a fraction of the average amount each team member opened, or % of enemies killed in GD's , or just general measurement of activity as opposed to loafing throughout the floor. It would have the double benefit of a) reducing people paying to loaf floors as it wouldnt be efficient to do so, and b) stop people from being such complaining martys when thye feel they are doing more than others as they would therefore be rewarded for it.

 

Surely theres got to be some quantifyable way contribution could be estimated?

[Yoko Kurama]

That would encourage competition within the team, and would probably be destructive, particularly for the team spirit, in my view. Everyone would be trying to get the most experience for themselves.

 

I don't really like floor selling either, but I don't think it's really a problem (aside from all that advertising spam).

[Quyneax]

Floor selling is a great example of emergent gameplay and the cost of AFKing. I don't mind it that much because I don't think it is imbalanced. The biggest problem is that Jagex took no steps to officially implement the system, which means it's still somewhat prone to scamming and rank sellers making ridiculous amounts of money. Similarly, auto-overloading at the start of a floor should be implemented, perhaps as an elite diary reward or whatever. "Kill a boss while under the effects of an overload" is a perfectly good task (similar to the 5-minute floor challenge) and so is "Give Thok 100 (noted) overload (4)". The clear emergence of x:1 c1 small, 1:1 c2 small and 5:5 c6 large as the dominant standards for dungeoneering should also have been implemented, perhaps by allowing people to save default configurations. The auto-grouping system should have been improved the moment Jagex saw it was deserted, which was straight away.

 

All of these fixes would solve some of the social aspects, that is, it makes it better to do floors in a row, which does improve team cohesion, and making it less worthwhile to manually make a party (of randoms) and therefore less worthwhile to select people before dging with them.

[Drazhor]

New podcast out about the upcoming "Missing, presumed death" quest.

I'll give a listen but I'm never a good person to pick out details, I'll leave it to the experts :P

[Sy_Accursed]

Only major points I really took from podcats was:

 

1) Kharshi will feature

2) Mahjaratt have tiers much like gods and will be put on the wiki when Osbourne gets round to it

3) There are a total of 5 Elder Gods including Jas, Ful and Freneskae Creator god.

[Drazhor]

Icthlarin and Brassica prime will be involved too...
Possibly has some Zaros related stuff... (Only a few mins into the podcast)

[Aiel]

why is brassica prime becoming a thing? He should have just stayed a stupid throw away joke like he belonged.

[Drazhor]

[Blyaunte]

Wait – did you just diss Brassica Prime?

[Edmundo]

Not entirely bothered about Brassica Prime.. Just because players have a nostalgia for cabbage, or think it's fun to click that option in a quest doesn't give you an excuse to being back a complete joke of a god. Just when RS was getting serious about storylines they bring in a fricking cabbage.

 

Sigh. Listened to the podcast late last night so I can't exactly remember too much.. But NOVICE quest??? Can't we have a line of high level master+ quests?

 

Also posted this on RSOF last night, it's the elemental clue Osbourne gave at the end. So easy all I had to do was listen, google Harvey K and I had it..:

16-17-156-65004599

 

 

 

[spoiler=Chaos Elemental Hint]Emmentail said:
Above the Lore Podcast Episode 10:

Clues and solved.

1. To equipment with munitions - ARM
2. Magazine founded by Harvey Kurztman - Mad Magazine
3. Herb used to flavour pickles (gherkins) - Dill
4. Event to mark a persons transition - Rite of Passage.

So Armadyl is going to make an appearance in the quest Rite of Passage which Mod Raven is currently developing.

 

[brunokiller]

Any news on when we can use xp things on divination?

[God Of Lego]

LEAVE BRASSICA ALONE

[Edmundo]

^ She doesn't even go here.

[Alg]

why is brassica prime becoming a thing? He should have just stayed a stupid throw away joke like he belonged.

That's a shame. He's currently the most well-written and likeable god/faction out there.

[Urza285]

Because runescape is like an onion... Err, a coin. There are two sides: a semi-serious fantasy side and a goofy side. They just happened to mix the god faction notion with the goofy side that's all. There is nothing wrong with that and I could almost see the story line that comes from it to be as hair-brained and interesting as the penguin story line.

[strilmus]

plus, it's not as if all of us chose to take owen's death...seriously when we gave (or completely ignored) his last rites

[helring]

Kind of disappointing that the chaos elemental gave information that we pretty much already knew.

[Urza285]

Kind of disappointing that the chaos elemental gave information that we pretty much already knew.

We knew there was a quest called "right of passage" and that there was a quest involving armadyl, the avianse and how he became a god. What we didn't know is the coo relation between the two. We also know that there is solid ground to explore with the working title of "right of passage."

 

I am fairly certain that armadyl was detailed I a podcast as a fairly young and naive god. So it would be fitting to the title that this quest explores his upbringing and way of life post-god hood and probaby some thereafter.

 

So in the end I wouldn't say it that way. I would say we have some information solidified and something us players can build and and branch off of.

[helring]

 

Kind of disappointing that the chaos elemental gave information that we pretty much already knew.

We knew there was a quest called "right of passage" and that there was a quest involving armadyl, the avianse and how he became a god. What we didn't know is the coo relation between the two. We also know that there is solid ground to explore with the working title of "right of passage."

 

I am fairly certain that armadyl was detailed I a podcast as a fairly young and naive god. So it would be fitting to the title that this quest explores his upbringing and way of life post-god hood and probaby some thereafter.

 

So in the end I wouldn't say it that way. I would say we have some information solidified and something us players can build and and branch off of.

 

 

We knew Mod Raven was working on the quest Right of Passage. The post from Osborne suggested a while back that Raven's quest would be an Armadyl quest http://[Use Quick Find Code]/a=13/c=9w0sK9dQvcQ/sl=0/[Please Use QuickFind Code]?341,342,126,65096233,goto,4

 

So while it may not have been confirmed till now, it was pretty much already known.

[Yoko Kurama]

Missing/Presumed Death is a Novice quest. It's nice to know we waited 8 months after TWW for all the epic stuff that was going to unfold, only for it to be some short Novice quest. If this is all they had planned, as far as filling some of the details of TWW, then they should have released it months ago.

[Blofeld]

I don't think it being a novice quest is necessarily as clear cut a term to judge it on now days though. The death of chivalry was a novice quest remember, and that deffinitely was a compltely different quest to the 'novice quests' of old. If there is any combat in the quest then its likely they they will be scaled also.

[Urza285]

I don't think it being a novice quest is necessarily as clear cut a term to judge it on now days though. The death of chivalry was a novice quest remember, and that deffinitely was a compltely different quest to the 'novice quests' of old. If there is any combat in the quest then its likely they they will be scaled also.

He makes a great point. Couple with that and the fact the "difficulty level" of a quest is based solely on effort to complete and to some extent game play length to play through.

 

A quest that covers the worlds "mechanics" of death is quite worthy of a novice title. and that title is based on the notion game mechanics, lore or not, should be covered in the beginning of the game.

 

There is no doubt we will have plenty of slights at past trials and tribulations. We should also find ourselves immersed in a lot of new lore - some of it which might need to be looked over and pieces in with past content to see where things are going.

[Yoko Kurama]

I don't think it being a novice quest is necessarily as clear cut a term to judge it on now days though. The death of chivalry was a novice quest remember, and that deffinitely was a compltely different quest to the 'novice quests' of old. If there is any combat in the quest then its likely they they will be scaled also.

 

I disagree: it was different, but it was still something rudimentary and simple. Novice quests, even post-DoC still conform to a certain standard, they're short and easy. If I am not mistaken, it was even mentioned on the Podcast that it would be a short quest. I expect more for something that is going to address one of the most well-developed arcs and characters in the game. Especially when the question at the end of TWW was 'Is Sliske a God?', and 'How did he get the Staff?'. Simple enough. We have waited 8 months for that, and it's all just going to be some sort of short thing? Meh. With all the waiting, the hype, the self-congratulatory patting and podcasts, It should be a Master quest with medium length at the minimum.

 

Also, from my understanding, and I could be wrong here but, in DoC the hitpoints were scaled, but not really the damage.

 

Also, the Dragonkin may have been written out of the quest as well. If that is true, that'd be another major disappointment.