jessy87 Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 Today we have made an adjustment to rune essence mining due to players breaking rule 7 and rule 12, using macros to mine the rune essence and then selling it. As you are probably aware we have various systems in place to detect people breaking rule 7 and ban them. These systems work very effectively at detecting people breaking this rule, and make macroing a really bad way to try and train a high level character. The problem we are now solving is not a problem with our macro detection systems which are still working well, but rather a problem with banning being an ineffective punishment against abusers who only use very low level accounts, and who have no intention of ever playing the game properly. Over the last few weeks we have banned literally hundreds of accounts a day for macroing at the rune essence mine. However the bans were ineffective as the abusers could just create more low level accounts that they didn't care about to mine more. We also track trades so we can ban the recipiant of the illegally obtained items, but the abusers in this case were swapping the runes for gp, and then selling the gp for real world money on auction sites. Of course the person buying the gp for real world money gets banned, because we track the money they received in an unbalanced trade to a macro account, but the seller doesn't care that their customers get banned shortly after, as they have their real world money by then. The fundamental problem is that rune essence was one of the few areas of the game which could be used to generate a reasonable amount of RuneScape money on a 'throwaway' low level free account. Normally to earn large amounts of money quickly you need to level up an account first, and then of course you care if it gets banned so our normal deterrant is effective. We have therefore split rune essence to have 2 grades. Normal essence can only be used to make the six basic runes, whereas pure essence can be used to make any rune. You can mine both types of essence at the same place as before. The kind of essence you receive is automatically decided when you mine the rock. You will always get pure essence only if your mining is over 30 and you are on a members' world, otherwise you will get normal essence. As a one-off event whilst we introduce this, existing essence in your bank and inventory will have been automatically converted to pure essence if you are a member or have other members-only items in your bank. Since free players can only craft the six basic runes anyway, the normal essence is just as good for its intended purpose of letting free players do low level rune crafting. However it is not so useful for selling to members who want to make law and nature runes (who we believe buy the vast majority of rune essence in Runescape) which should reduce its price significantly and make it a much less appealing proposition for real world traders. The only people who should be significantly affected by this are players mining very large amounts of essence on free accounts purely to sell to members. There are better way of making money on high level free accounts anyway, so this change should only really affect players trying to making large amounts of money on a low level free account - which is of course the exact idea. We would also like to yet again remind our players NOT to break rule 12 and be tempted to buy RuneScape gold for real world money. Nearly all the gold being offered for sale in this way was generated by cheating on 'throwaway' accounts. If you buy it not only are you encouraging further cheating, but you run the very real risk of being banned yourself as the money you receive is dirty money and will be tracked. Again we have banned countless players for breaking rule 12 and fuelling this problem, and will continue to do so. We hope most players will agree we shouldn't let rule breakers spoil this game, and we are determined to not let them do so. As well as banning, where necessary we will also make minimal changes to the game to make rule breaking unviable. im glad my stock piled ess is fine... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaDiVaXx Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 w00t wonder what happend withj my rune essences.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unitedite Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 Very, very interesting change. Screws f2pers out of one of their best money earners, which is a pity for them. I bought 20k rune ess last week so i was -very- worried for a minute there, but as long as it's turned to pure i should be ok. My big question is will this rise the price of rune ess, and by how much? The supply is going to fall massively. In a little hilltop village they gambled for my clothesI bargained for salvation and they gave me a lethal doseI offered up my innocence, I got repaid with scorn"Come in'', she said, "I'll give you shelter from the storm" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXru1n3dXx Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 They had me worrying for a sec, lucky they made the essence already in your bank automatically turn into pure essence. RS Stats | BF2 Stats | ARSCV | LastFM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
booduz69 Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 Not a bad idea. Only thing that sucks is if i want to craft some airs, i have to go to F2P and mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oergg Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 WOW! that came outta left field :shock: now THATS a way to lure people to members! :shock: united, f2pers might have to make money the hard way the rest ov us made money when we were f2p :oops: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaDiVaXx Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 woah good , i was scared there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael_West Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 They had me worrying for a sec, lucky they made the essence already in your bank automatically turn into pure essence. Certainly a relief there. Otherwise, so many people that had essence in their bank would lose out on a lot of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sk8erfreak Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 Hm, maybe it would be a good time to stock up on cheap essense. 136 Combat, 2290+ Skill Total Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jessy87 Posted April 20, 2006 Author Share Posted April 20, 2006 They had me worrying for a sec, lucky they made the essence already in your bank automatically turn into pure essence. pure rune ess is gonna be so much higher, then normal ess, and its gonna be alot harder, simply cuz not alot of members like mining rune ess. this kind of blows, especially if you just ran out of rune ess lately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goku_nazz Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 macroers = owned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mvt Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 Very good solution, I started reading and though, oh god they're made it like every other rock, or that it was always randomly decided. Still it does to seem to massively stop the auto-ing and only affects a VERY small number of honest Free-to-players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unitedite Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 They had me worrying for a sec, lucky they made the essence already in your bank automatically turn into pure essence. Not if you're f2p with no member items, which i think it kinda unfair. Guess pure ess is a member only item? In a little hilltop village they gambled for my clothesI bargained for salvation and they gave me a lethal doseI offered up my innocence, I got repaid with scorn"Come in'', she said, "I'll give you shelter from the storm" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jessy87 Posted April 20, 2006 Author Share Posted April 20, 2006 macroers = owned :o hey goku i think their should be a benefit to using pure rune ess to make elemental runes now, like add 1 more additional rune to each ess, like 5x airs now goes to 6x. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamskii Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 Time to buy as much essence as physically possible before the price spirals out of control! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flow1315 Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 omg!! i always buy ess from f2p.... grr, most members (me for example =P) are too lazy to mine ess themselves!! ... ess price will grow up hard, i think Barrows Items: 5 Guthan Spears, 1 Karil Coif, 2 Torag pl8, 2 ahrims bottom, 3 torags helm, 1 ahrim staff, 3 veracs helm, 2 guthan helm, 6 v brassy etc..Dragon Drops: 4 Dmeds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golvellius Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 Time to buy as much essence as physically possible before the price spirals out of control! That kind of thinking is why prices spiral out of control after a change. :lol: Exclusive Legacy Mode Player He just successfully trolled you with "courtesy" and managed to get a reaction out of you. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meb Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 They screwed members. Thank you Jagex! I love mining essence for my nats! Retired 2146 overall - 136 combat - 6 skillcapes Plus I think the whole teenage girl thing will end soon (hopefully), because my girlfriend is absolutely in love with him(she is 18), and im beginning to feel threatened by his [Justin Bieber] dashing looks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nancy Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 Both members and free players got screwed this time... free players can't sell their normal ess to members (most members buy ess for nats/laws) and members can't get it cheap from f2p. Ess is gonna go way up... =/ E O S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flow1315 Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 They screwed members. Thank you Jagex! I love mining essence for my nats! well i dont think thats the dream of runcrafting for most people... the update is necessary, yea but as i already said its hard for many Barrows Items: 5 Guthan Spears, 1 Karil Coif, 2 Torag pl8, 2 ahrims bottom, 3 torags helm, 1 ahrim staff, 3 veracs helm, 2 guthan helm, 6 v brassy etc..Dragon Drops: 4 Dmeds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lets_3ekout Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 VERY smart move by Jagex. Good work :D A Draconic Guide V1.4, Fimer - Multi-Timer Farming Timer V3.Dragon Boots: 39|Abyssal Whips: 16|Dark Bows: 1| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oergg Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 Both members and free players got screwed this time... free players can't sell their normal ess to members (most members buy ess for nats/laws) and members can't get it cheap from f2p. Ess is gonna go way up... =/ itll probably cap at 60gp MAX, to me personally a 5x return on your investment AINT BAD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart_G Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 Jagex > f2p macroers. I dont think this will stop it though, the people using the "throw away" characters will just pay the membership to mine and sell pure essence at an inflated price thus earning them more gp which in turn, lets them make more real life money so they can be able to susstain members to these throw away characters. If you think about it, the pure essence will cost more than normal essence so if these miners just pay $10/$5 a month to get members so they can mine the pure essence, sell at a higher price, make back what they spent on members and then some. Perhaps this will bite them in the [wagon] and not discourage autoers, or perhaps it will be a roaring success. Guess time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamskii Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 I feel sorry for any legitemate f2p's with heaps of essence in their banks, they are going to struggle to offload it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muntrue Posted April 20, 2006 Share Posted April 20, 2006 Stop complaining.. JaGex is trying to make this game better for honnest players, therefor they must sacrefise things. I think this is a fair solution. and will put a radical stop to macro'ers at the ess. also rune ess will still be bough from f2p because we all know that making fire runes is the fastest way to level up, and there are still alot of people out there not looking for a provit.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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