Torag > Dragon?

[jessy87]

Whats the point of any armour in pest controll? I pretty much just wear black dhide with my phat and i'm fine. I've died I recall 3 times.

 

 

 

Consider the extra defense as a bonus more then a strong point.

 

 

 

Agian with the pest controll/castle wars thing, yeah. Wear mystic, torag isn't for magic :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

obviously torag isnt for magic, but am i the only person who has been in a situation where i may need to cast magic in melee armor? like rite now(in the waiting room of castle wars) im going to be wearing my dragon chain with ahrims skirt bottum to ancient in. why? cuz i might need the melee def.

 

 

 

 

 

again, i yet to see a use for any barrows armor where u wont take advantage of the set effect.

 

 

 

and simply wearing it for the melee defense only makes sence to me when your

 

 

 

1. at kq or dag kings

 

2. multi-combat area like kalphite soldiers.

 

 

 

 

 

my friend once asked me what armor i wore, i told him rune. he laughed and asked why, i stated "rune is cheap, and good defense. i can heal with guthans" he said "oh, ok then"

 

 

 

 

 

i really dont rely on my melee bonus, ive offered to duel people wearing full dharok, against me without a chest or leg armor.(everything else has a strength bonus) and guess who won? me :o shocking isn't it? not really, all i did was melee them unpotted. but of course they were a few combat lvls below me, 10 maybe more i dunno.

 

 

 

 

 

good weapon and a start head on your shoulders can beat, dumb slow and over confident.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

why would you even want to wear torags armor during combat 100% of the time? just wear rune/dragon/monk robes/iniate. and heal when appropriate.

[KurtangleTN]

I fail to see point in castle wars, in pking... Maybe.. but castle wars, I just dont see i

 

 

 

Why not? Its the best armour, training on something like for example a dust devil, its a much better option then rune, and for my budget cheaper then dragon (as I dont really ever plan on making much money agian)

 

 

 

Guthans is extremely usefull, it can litteraly make a trip last forever, if you training on something far from the bank, its so usefull.

 

 

 

Torag is good for defense only really, the weapon is mediocre for me and its 2 handed, the set effect is useless.

 

 

 

The duel could have with either way, if you did it 3 more times you might have one once and he won 2 times. I can't see how this brings anything to to the table.

 

 

 

I dont understand what your saying with the combat, it depends. If i'm training on something that hits, i'll use torag but for something else I'll just use rune.

[dazdman123456]

i think dragon is better for most things, if ur having fun (ie cws or pits) i use dragon cus simply i cant be stuffed reparing my armour. torags may have like a 10+ def bonus oh woopdeedooo =D> who bloody cares, for training the best thing to use is guthans cus honestly u bring no food and u can stay there till u levl lup :) dragon :3> owns torags :shame: :D

[nomader]

I have torags for a couple reasons.

 

 

 

1. Far cheaper than dragon

 

2. Dragon med looks ugly and the plate legs dont fit the chain body

 

3. I have a barrows repair stand in my house so I save money on repairs

 

4. Better defense bonus

 

5. I actually like how it looks

 

6. I use a whip and an obsidian shield so good speed and armor

 

7. Thanks to the particular items I wear with my armor I dont suffer much of a magic penalty, if any at all.

 

8. It makes a big difference next to rune, when I switched from rune to barrows all of the sudden my food use dropped dramatically.

 

9. Having to do with number 1 - 15 mil is too much to pay for any single thing.

[hiddel]

um i choose dragon chain and legs. torag may be better but i dont like the idea of having to pay to train in good armor even though i have money and the ability to repair my own armor. im just not into wasting huge amounts of money.

 

 

 

as for d meds...they suck, no one uses them to my knowledge. fremmy helms have the same def as dmeds but have bonuses and look slightly better.

 

 

 

my friend once asked me what armor i wore, i told him rune. he laughed and asked why, i stated "rune is cheap, and good defense. i can heal with guthans" he said "oh, ok then"

 

 

 

+1

 

 

 

^^SPAM^^

[Rebdragon]

um i choose dragon chain and legs.

 

 

 

im just not into wasting huge amounts of money.

 

 

 

 

Either you have 4 Blue Phats and a couple 100mil cash making a chain seem like nothing, or you just contradicted yourself :? .

 

 

 

Meh, I like the looks, cheap costs, and stats of Barrows Melee armor better 8-) .

[hiddel]

um i choose dragon chain and legs.

 

 

 

im just not into wasting huge amounts of money.

 

 

 

 

Either you have 4 Blue Phats and a couple 100mil cash making a chain seem like nothing, or you just contradicted yourself :? .

 

 

 

Meh, I like the looks, cheap costs, and stats of Barrows Melee armor better 8-) .

 

 

 

 

 

my point was that over a long period of training you will spend much more money repairing your torags than you would have if you just wore dragon and ate a lob or two. So no i do not beleive i contradicted myself at all.

[FuBai]

um i choose dragon chain and legs.

 

 

 

im just not into wasting huge amounts of money.

 

 

 

 

Either you have 4 Blue Phats and a couple 100mil cash making a chain seem like nothing, or you just contradicted yourself :? .

 

 

 

Meh, I like the looks, cheap costs, and stats of Barrows Melee armor better 8-) .

 

 

 

 

 

No he's not contradicting himself. Dragon is cash stored in assests, and therfore, redemable. Torag repairs is irretriveable.

[Kashi]

heh remember when the maul was like 3 mil?

 

 

 

Yeah hey, the reason maul price declined so much was because of the change in the special attack ..

[wozfe]

I don't have dragon and I don't have torag.

 

 

 

I only use my guthan even when I'm not healing.

 

The repair costs are the same and guthan only has slighlty less defence bonus than torag. (If you use a veracs skirt, torag legs or dharoks legs with guthans plate and helm, you will still get the same def bonus as full torag).

 

 

 

If you have guthan, then I see no point in using torags.

 

 

 

You will also save inventory spots, you will only have to change between whip+shield and spear.

[jessy87]

um i choose dragon chain and legs.

 

 

 

im just not into wasting huge amounts of money.

 

 

 

 

Either you have 4 Blue Phats and a couple 100mil cash making a chain seem like nothing, or you just contradicted yourself :? .

 

 

 

Meh, I like the looks, cheap costs, and stats of Barrows Melee armor better 8-) .

 

 

 

 

 

no, he did not contradict him self one bit. hes completely self sufficient in 90% of his doings. the last thing i knew him to buy was a dragon 2h, a blue mask and full verac. and the blue mask was like a year or 2 ago.

 

 

 

as for dragon, yeah. his dragon armor he has had as drops. i know hes had im thinkin 2 chains and the 1 set of legs to date.

 

 

 

 

 

any way to get ontopic.

 

 

 

 

 

if you couldnt tell i just literally hate set effect and armor decy.

 

 

 

i used to play a lil online game similar to runescape, called outwar, outwar ripped of runescape in some things, i even recall a ring you could wear named "ring of splendid wealth" and increase your drop rate 100%. but yea, they introduced item damage into that game. and it was so poorly thought out that after 2 weeks people just quit playing and everyday their forums were spammed with garbage about it(this was when they listened to people, kind of like RSC) finally 2-3 weeks of this stupid item damage it was removed because the way outwar did it, it was sooo flawed... i mean the who point of the game was compromised.

 

 

 

 

 

and that is why i really dislike decaying armor. its like i already had some 1 kick me in the face with a game i used to love, i dont like to have it done to me now to in a much better game, especially when i have alternatives that work equally well, if not better.

 

 

 

 

 

i always look for alternatives to things, i was talking to super majin about stuff and hes saying something, im like dude you dont get it, ill do anything to avoid stuff if i dont want to, i told him for like 2 months i lived off lawless travel thru runescape, and he was just shocked.

 

 

 

 

 

my point, look for a better way to spend ur time and $ in the long run.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't have dragon and I don't have torag.

 

 

 

I only use my guthan even when I'm not healing.

 

The repair costs are the same and guthan only has slighlty less defence bonus than torag. (If you use a veracs skirt, torag legs or dharoks legs with guthans plate and helm, you will still get the same def bonus as full torag).

 

 

 

If you have guthan, then I see no point in using torags.

 

 

 

You will also save inventory spots, you will only have to change between whip+shield and spear.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

perhaps not the smarest thing that a massive amount of people do. but hey its your $ and your time. even axe man jack said in his master slayer guide, people who do that are just wasiting their time.

[Aneron]

I use rune myself, lol its the only armor really in my price range. but looking at the options, i would say torags is definetely out. it has the worst possible spec for pvm training (well actually tied with karils since the effect is kinda the same...) and the extra def bonus is totally negligible. guthans is obviously the way to go if you want a barrows set. if you want easy training, use guthans. if you want good looks, use dragon. and if ur as cool as i am, use rune and train at pc \

[blue107]

blue phat, 500 mil and has no stats. warrior helmet, good melee and def stats so why do people buy blue phats

 

thats how stupid you sound

[Celluzion]

Frankly, Torag's is low end barrows armour, for those who want barrows but cannot afford Guthan\Veracs etc, so they stick with Torags instead for it's super high def. Sure, if you're more of a KQer or like to hit high hits, then go get Veracs and Dharoks for a few mil extra. But the reason stands that Torags is the lower end Barrows armour, those who can afford the repair costs every 15 hours, but can't afford the one time payment of Guthans.

 

 

 

 

 

Dragon and Torags has its pros and cons.

 

 

 

Some people say each looks better than the other, this is objective.

 

 

 

And, 15 hours of training, you have to pay a small sum of money, like 150k+ to repair it, most people can make more than that in 15 hours, and could probably afford that, but can't bear to pay a one time fee of 18.5(?) mil for full dragon.

 

 

 

And for those who say that you can sell dragon back, and not make any losses, tell that to the people who bought chains at 28 million.

 

 

 

Not needed comment!

[wozfe]

I use guthan because I'm not a fan of being hit so much.

 

 

 

I use my rune armor and switch to guthans on lower lvl enemies such as trolls, lesser demons and greater demons.

 

 

 

While killing greaters or lessers, you don't waste your inventory space since they don't drop very good items.

 

 

 

I wear my guthan all the time when I kill higher lvl monsters such as gargoyles. If you wear rune against gargoyles you will be hit a lot more and therefore forced to switch to guthans more often.

 

 

 

And when wielding a warspear and full guthan you won't hit as good as with whip since the spear gives +75 ssc and +75 str and whip+rune defender+ black mask gives a lot more.

[ronnyuk]

Heres my view on the subject.. I had ahrims and Dharocks and they are both very good armour, but I wanted an armour that made me stand out from the crowd, didn't look drab and did not need repairing.

 

 

 

So I sold everything I owned 2 days ago inc d square and whip, and got my first dchain, it is the symbol of Runescape imo and I am very happy with my purchase, I could never afford 20m+ like the prices used to be, and even if d chain hit 10m I would not give a flying :)

 

 

 

It's taken me 6 months of leveling to get my dchain and now dlegs and all I have is a d scimmy left and 30k, but my god am I a happy person :) hehe

[k10342]

i dont really think torags and dragon are a big difference in defence. Everyone should know that its always dangerous bringing a d chain into the wilderness or to like...like metal dragons or something.

 

 

 

well anyway, in my opinion, i would say that torags has better defence bonuses than dragon, but i think dragon is way more decorative than torags which is a plus :) . So i kinda like dragon better :thumbsup:

[Rebdragon]

^Hm, I guess I see what you guys were saying about him not contradicting himself. Nontheless, with Dragon Armor prices droppping pretty fast, the introduction of Armor stands, and PC, ...eh.

[Sdn]

u guys r forgettin bout how much food u will save wit the better def. hwo much time not bankin every 20mins and if u sue hammers u get to watch a cool speical affect lol thats always a + in my book

[InkofDeath]

ok well the actual numbers:

 

 

 

helm:torag

 

body:torag

 

ammy:fury

 

cape:fire

 

boots:rune

 

gloves:barrows

 

legs:torags

 

sheild:dsq

 

ring:berserker

 

+363stab

 

+364slash

 

+348crush

 

+22mage

 

+378rnage

 

i think thats the numbers for it...see torag isn\t better without sheild but iwth sheild is...also includ abby whip in there

 

 

 

also this is like 14mill-17millish...

[Rebdragon]

Okay, let me get this into everyone's heads (hopefully you guys can handle a simile):

 

 

 

Asking a group of people whether Torag or Dragon is better is just liking asking 2 people whether they like a purple or yellow flower. One person could like the yellow, one could like the purple, and they could fight for however long they want, but neither person is ever going to be able to change the other person's opinion about the flowers.

 

 

 

There's no getting past the fact that Torag is cheaper and has better defense stats. No, don't give me any crud about Torag having repair costs to make it cost more, there's not a player alive who's used their Torag armor so much that it costs more than a set of Full Dragon.

 

 

 

Then again, there's also no way of getting past the fact that Dragon armor is a much better status symbol, and will not be denied that for years to come.

 

 

 

So, you can like the yellow flower, you can like the purple one, but you're never going to be able to tell someone else which flower they like better.

[ghostoker]

I bought my dragon, trained from 80-90 combat using 1-1.5k lobs and sold it for the same amount afterwards. 200k for more then 15 hours pure combat please (H) And now you don't even need armour because everyone seems to jump on the PC bandwagon which is making this game more and more of a joke everyday.

 

 

 

I'm pretty certain I saw you at PC...

 

 

 

Anyway, yup, Torag owns Dragon Chain, but a Chain is still a nice thing to have, and is still something I hope to own one day, as opposed to Torags which is easily obtainable.

[00 Quanta]

i call Full Dragon a piece of junk for armour stats, Torags has much better armour stats than it. Full Dragon is all for looks. I can take down anyone myself with dds since its Dragon chain is weak to lunge lunge/stab attacks

[m4tty]

here is a stat comparison of rune legs and plate vs torag legs and body vs dragon legs and chain (nothing but the legs and body for all of them, no shield or helm or anything):

 

stab:  133 vs 207 vs 149

slash: 129 vs 202 vs 159

crush: 119 vs 190 vs 161

magic: -10 vs -10 vs -7

range: 129 vs 224 vs 147

 

(might be wrong if i misread what the stats of it are)

 

i think rune is best for things which dont hit much but do hit, torag for things which do, dragon just isnt enough better than rune to be worth it i think. i know this is torag vs dragon but i added rune in because its comparing dragon to something which also doesnt degreade.

[jessy87]

i call Full Dragon a piece of junk for armour stats, Torags has much better armour stats than it. Full Dragon is all for looks. I can take down anyone myself with dds since its Dragon chain is weak to lunge lunge/stab attacks

 

 

 

 

 

i think i could handle a duel against ur torag vs my dragon:)