Not another Barrows Thread. -.-

[RAHK]

Yes, it is another RAHK post. Yes, that means it is long. If you have the patience of a gnat, look at the purdy pictures and be on your way. :wink:

 

 

 

We all know about the minigame Barrows. We all know that it is the only place to obtain arguably the best armor/weapons in the game. Since my first run at 80 or so combat (I think), I have always thought that it is just WAY too easy for the rewards that it gives. Comparable to getting dark gloves for finishing the first part of RFD. The KQ is much, MUCH harder to defeat and the dragon chain is mostly worn for show, not stats. Jad is very hard as well and, while the cape is really handy, it pales in comparison to the rewards from barrows, stat-wise.

 

 

 

I decided to test exactly HOW easy barrows can be. While I am obviously not a level 50 trying to eek their way through barrows and having to repeatedly tele out, my combat stats are FAR from rare (see sig). I brought the following inventory and gear to the barrows field and did as many runs as I could without leaving to bank, heal, or recharge prayer. And no, I did not have somebody trade me supplies (in fact a few tipiters were nice enough to offer, but I politely declined.)

 

 

 

I want to mention that this is not a strategy that most should try. I hovered at the max hit for a couple of the melee brothers and just crossed my fingers. One time a sneak attack from torag had me down to 7 health. This is not a safe way and I risked probably too much to test it out, but risk equals fun for the most part. :ohnoes:

 

 

 

Set-up (all items freshly repaired):

 

 

 

 

 

 

Tactics:

 

 

 

At all times I left the fire cape, dark gloves, Moon Clan ring, fury, and (obviously) the bolt racks equipped. I had to eat a total of 4 monks and 2 strange fruit (I was there for awhile, lol) for room.

 

I always started with Karil. Full guthan minus the spear (to start), white boots, dds, and d square. I swear his insane accuracy has been lowered a bit because I ended up leaving him with 80% or higher health pretty often when normally I had to eat to survive. Anywho, I unloaded 4 dds specs (which completely killed him several times), and then switched to guthan spear (both weapons set to slash) and hoped for a few heals. I have tried a whip before and for some odd reason I just couldn't connect like I can with a Guthan Spear. Most runs ended with my health at 50-80% after Karil. He used 3 monks, 2 sharks and 1 prayer dose after all the runs.

 

Ahrims next. Karil's top/bottom/x bow, archer helm, and no white boots (negative stats on the boots weren't helping anyway). That guy was either a push-over or fierce. Most rounds he would just eat bolt rack and die. Missing was pretty rare. I have tried a mage short, crybow, addy knives/zammy book, slayer dart, and a whip. Dart was by far the worse but none of them (mage short spec included) could touch the Karil's Repeating Crossbow. Due to the fact that I occasionally ended up pretty low on health from karil, Ahrim cost me 1 shark and 4 p pots (4) after all of the runs.

 

Torag. Wimp. Same difference. Full guthans no spear (d med instead of helm near the end when it was almost broken), d square, slayer staff (using dart obviously), and white boots. When my guthans was nearly broken, I took him out a few times with kharil's top and bottom to lengthen my healing option. Most of the time I would try to take him on if I was around 25-30 health. He just can't hit that often. The one time that I almost died was due to him, though. Lucky for me his accuracy is so spotty. He hit near his max and I was left at 7 health. I was so surprised (he might have done a total of 80 damage after all of the trips) that he had time to hit me again before I could sidestep. Zeroes ftw, lol. He ate up a full prayer pot (4) because I thought that I could heal off him... I didn't, lol. I finished that one off with dart. So 1 p pot (4) for him.

 

Guthans. Same deal as Torag but he rarely lasted a little longer if he could catch a lucky heal. I would take him on if I had 25-30 health or higher. Had to use another dose of prayer pot on him once.

 

Verac. This guy is probably the most damaging brother. I would only take him on at 75% or higher health. Same set-up as the other melee brothers. No food or p pots used on him.

 

Dharok. While this guy has roughly the same accuracy as the other two lesser melee brothers, he can hit high. Due to the fact that he was last on the list and I am rarely at max health, I always tunneled him. He didn't cost me any food/p pots.

 

 

 

So, I visited the brothers in that order. If I didn't have the health to take them out, I just clicked the tomb and ran to the stairs. One time I got caught with 15 health due to a lucky hit as I sprinted to safety, so I had to wait until I naturally regenerated 10 health. ALL of the rest of the healing was due to guthans.

 

Once I found the tunnel, I would kill any of the four southern brothers if I had the health. Most of the time I would simply go down and heal up off monsters. I would make my way to the southern or northeastern rooms, healing on the way. I would then force-spawn the remaining brothers and safe-spot them behind the rocks or ladders. If I met torag, karil, ahrim, or guthan on the way (or karil/ahrim at anytime down there) I would simply fight until I had to heal, go back to the room that I was in, heal, return, and repeat until they were dead. A good 90% of the time that wasn't necessary but it did happen occasionally. My kill count was simply based on what monsters I had to kill to heal and to spawn the brothers. The average kill count was 30-40 which is high, but probably faster than teleing/walking to a bank, recharging, and returning. That average includes the two times that I couldn't PAY a brother to spawn, lol. I had two runs that were WAY too high on kill count (78 and 86) but I made sure to kill all six brothers. If I was focused on speed versus endurance and complete rounds (6 brother kills) the max kill count would have been around 12-15. I noticed that I hit WAY too well with a simple g spear vs. the melee brothers as well on the first hit when they were force-spawned.

 

After a long while my guthans was at 25% (except spear 50%). I started mixing it up with my first looted d med and my karil's to keep the guthans alive as long as possible. I had to eat a shark down there due to guthans being broken and me needing to escape alive, lol. The last shark was eaten on accident when I was only 6 below max. #-o

 

 

 

Here is my inventory/gear after 63 runs without leaving the field or trading anything at all:

 

 

 

 

 

 

I didn't remember to note my mage experience before I started so have no way to know exactly how many times I casted slayer dart. Using my average of 53 casts per run, I can safely assume that I used roughly 3,339 casts of slayer dart. I have no clue on the bolt racks, though. I would guess roughly 13 per kill so 819 is a decent guess.

 

 

 

Total cost:

 

 

 

3,339 (*4) mind runes @ 20 each: 267,120 gp

 

3,339 death runes @ 290 each: 968,310 gp

 

819 bolt racks @ 350 each: 286,650 gp

 

7 Monkfish @ 450 each: 3,150 gp

 

5 Shark @ 1k each: 5,000 gp

 

6 Prayer Potions (4) @ 9.5k each: 57,000 gp

 

Consumables Sub-Total: 1,587,230 gp

 

 

 

Guthan's Plate Repair (78 smithing): 54,900 gp

 

Guthan's Skirt Repair (78 smithing): 48,800 gp

 

Guthan's Spear Repair (78 smithing): 51,972 gp

 

Guthan's Helm Repair (78 smithing): 34,478 gp

 

Karil's Crossbow Repair (78 smithing): 2,562 gp

 

Karil's Top Repair (78 smithing): 14,165 gp

 

Karil's Skirt Repair (78 smithing): 12,591 gp

 

Repairs Sub-Total: 219,468 gp

 

 

 

TOTAL cost: 1,806,698 gp

 

 

 

Total Gross Profit:

 

 

 

Barrows Items (low estimates from runescript on mIRC):

 

Dharok's Plate ~ 900,000 gp

 

Karil's Top ~ 180,000 gp

 

Sub-Total: 1,080,000 gp

 

 

 

Non-Barrows Items (low estimates from runescript on mIRC):

 

2 D Meds @ 420,000 ~ 840,000 gp

 

Full Crystal Key ~ 65,000 gp

 

Sub-Total: 905,000 gp

 

 

 

Bolt Racks:

 

1475 (-200 brought with me) Bolt Racks @ 350 each: 446,250 gp

 

 

 

Runes:

 

11,754 (-2,000 brought with me) Mind Runes @ 20 each: 195,080 gp

 

2,216 (-1,000 brought with me) Death Runes @ 290 each: 352,640 gp

 

1,858 Blood Runes @ 600 each: 1,114,800 gp

 

7,312 Chaos Runes @ 140 each: 1,023,680 gp

 

Sub-Total: 2,686,200 gp

 

 

 

Misc:

 

65,424 gp

 

1 saph and 5 rubies (not counted into total)

 

7 Crumbling Tombs = Priceless ... not counted into total either, lol.

 

 

 

TOTAL Gross Profit: 5,182,874 gp

 

Gross - Cost (1,806,698 gp): 3,376,176 gp pure profit

 

 

 

Experience gained (VERY rough):

 

 

 

Slayer Dart - (30 [xp per cast] + 2 * ~8 [rough average damage per cast) * 3,339 = 153,594 magic xp

 

 

 

63 (total runs) * 100 (Ahrim's hp) * 4 = 25,200 range xp

 

 

 

To guesstimate melee xp I am going to pretend that I killed all of the monsters equally.

 

(45 + 35 + 80 + 50 + 70 + 60) / 6 = 57 average hp

 

57 * 4 (melee xp) * 63 (runs) * 35 (average kill count) = 502,740 melee xp

 

 

 

[8 (damage per dart cast) * 3,339 + 100 (Ahrim's hp) * 63 + 125,685 (melee xp divided by 4)] * 1.33 = 211,067 hp xp

 

 

 

Total combat xp: 892,601 xp gained

 

 

 

The combat xp was just for me, but since I calced it I thought I would include it anyway, lol.

 

 

 

Sooo, I gained a total of 3,376,176 gp and 892,601 combat xp in 63 runs at barrows without leaving the field for any reason and without picking up or trading for any supplies. The ONLY reason that I HAD to leave was because my Guthan's was broken. I think that the only way to last longer would be to bring 1 or 2 more sets of guthans, but that just seems rather crazy, lol.

 

 

 

 

 

Now, here are my four main points/questions:

 

 

 

1.

 

63 runs @ roughly 16 minutes per run for only 3,376,176 gp. That works out to a measly 198,598 gp per hour on average (roughly 52,505 combat xp per hour, though). Not the fastest path but definately one of the cheapest. Not fantastic item rewards but I didn't net 2 coifs either, lol.

 

Is Barrows even worth the effort anymore due to the armor price drops?

 

 

 

2.

 

Due to the fact that my defense has barely raised since I went with over 400 range defense and was DESTROYED by Karil, and now I can kill him with 4 dds specs or 4 dds specs (all zeroes) and a g spear or EASILY kill him with 4 dds specs and healing from guthans, I think he may have been wimpified (nerfed).

 

Do you think that Karil's accuracy and/or slash defense has been lowered?

 

 

 

3.

 

Guthan's Spear slices through Karil like he was hot butter. Karil's Crossbow punches through Ahrim like he was wearing cardboard armor. Guthan's Spear gets WAY too lucky versus the melee brothers. Non-barrows weapons don't do nearly as well, even when their stats are superior.

 

Are the Barrow's Brothers weak to their Brother's weapons in a manner similiar to fire-based monsters are weak to the Sea Curse effect of pearl/iron bolts?

 

 

 

4.

 

63 runs. No banks. No altars. No trades. Only one time of auto-regen. Roughly 17 hours at the Barrows Field and no resupply of any sort needed. While I am a higher level, I am roughly 57mil xp (at less than half) away from a completely combat maxed character so am far from the most deadly player out there. The ONLY reason that I HAD to leave was the fact that my guthans was broken. If it didn't break, I could have stayed there like I can ranging or maging anywhere.

 

Is Barrows just too easy now that we know all of the little tricks?

 

 

 

Post your answers, questions, thoughts, or flames. Well, not too flamey, lol. No, I won't prettify it either. Feel free to point out any errors/typos.

 

Thanks for reading. :)

[hellbellz]

Read all except math part 'cause I'm just cool like that. 8-)

 

 

 

Nice runs RAHK, good GP, fairly nice XP gain. :thumbsup:

 

 

 

OOhhh, 17 hours, daanngg. That's a long time :shock:

 

 

 

1. No, prices are lowering too fast for profit anymore. I merchanted from 4.6M, trying to 5.3m in a day for Veracs. I had 5M, next thing I knew I had Veracs in my invy.

 

 

 

2. Don't know, I'm not a barrows type of guy :)

 

 

 

3. From what you say, they're weak to their nooby brothers. Hehe

 

 

 

4. Yeah, Barrows is easy now that everyone knows side steps, the invisible latter thing. (Me getting pwnt my Dharok is fun).

 

 

 

And that about sums it up

[Flaming_Unit]

wow, that's amazing...

 

 

 

i do barrows, and without prayer pots, but i can never imagine going that many rounds, lol

[remoteman]

A very interesting read once again Rahk, nice work. I think that Karil has been nerfed tbh, i have noticed his weakness myself.

[shade1234]

Very nice =D>

 

Thnx for keeping me entertained while fishing :D

[kaotic_supa]

That was a nice read for me Rahk. Good job on the details.

 

 

 

I used that technique as well. But recently I switched over to Torags and tank maging the meleers. I also now use a Mud Staff and Nats to cast bones to peaches to regenerate my health down at the tunnel. At 600 gp per cast, I found it cheaper, I switch to my regular armor down at the tunnel after I kill the brother down there. I cast about 1-2 spells to replenish and reload for my next trip.

 

 

 

I do about 8-9 rounds per one trip with only using 2 pray pots (4) doses.

 

 

 

Maybe I should make a guide and show some set ups for Barrows. Its so much more convinient if you have a high level prayer and combat. You only have to pray on Dharok, and its more of a precaution prayer, and 1 sip is all you need if you know what you are doing down there.

[TheLeader]

Just reading it...

[jessy87]

i never read anything you write any more rahk. its funny because im like, whatever it is youve got it documented.

 

 

 

 

 

whats weird is, it was interesting and all...but i have no idea what the point of this thread is because i just looked @ pictures lol.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

edit: rahk on a personal note i need some glories made

[bflitny1]

Wow!!!

 

63 runs is completely and stupidly insane! I use a pretty similar set-up to yours, only I use ring of life, obby cape, no archer helm and rune boots. And a whip instead of DDS, or both sometimes. I'm only lvl 104 and not willing to take as many risks as you, but my max runs is about 8, but then I prayer against Karil, Ahrim, Dharok and Verac, although soon I'm going to try going straight into the tunnels with 0kc and safespotting as many bros as possible. I may change it to ranging Ahrim, sup restore, Karil, then tunnel. But it might not be for a while.

[wild_goat_14]

Very nice =D>

 

Thnx for keeping me entertained while fishing :D

 

Exactly what i was gonna say...

 

and also nice job on the 17hrs(lets hope that wasnt all in one day :shock: )

[evilrodyle]

Ugg now you made me tempted to go do that :

[Robert_Rdam]

And Rahk strikes again, Nice work =D>

[crazyman]

nice

[Kariga]

Guys, tell me if it is just me or have barrows been altered? today i did a grand total of 7 chests and got Dharok's plate, Torag's legs and Dharok's axe.

 

My friend got Dharok's Plate Dharoks Legs and Dharok's platebody.

 

I feel like this wadn't so easy before =/

 

( My lucky day at last? =P~ )

[DeadPolkaDots1]

Cool experiment, I'm sure it wil benefit us all. You made a hell a load of profit there, good job! :D This will not be effective for me though, as your superior combat stats outway the average barrowers (well most of the ones I come across anyways) But this really shed light on Barrows, Thanks! :)

[la la la]

30+ trips without anything other than runes and I realized that this is not a good way to make money, but rather to lose it and sometimes make a little to pay for a couple more trips.

[supermonk]

Wow, you were incredibly lucky (In that amount of runs I wouldn't get near that much) and your profit still sucked (Per hour at least)

 

 

 

 

 

You could've gotten snape grass and made 450K an hour a pure profit of 7,650,000gp, more than double of what you got from Barrows. It really isn't enough anymore.

[kamikaze914]

some very very nice work there *hugs RAHK*

 

 

 

notice how the control menu changes from the first picture to the second

 

 

 

off topic, did you use a calculator to do that maths? \

[Golvellius]

1.

 

You did pretty good in terms of items.

 

I'm lucky to get one every 50 runs or so.

 

Most of your profit was on racks and runes.

 

This is why I and so many other high levels that still go there melee (verac or whip) the barrows.

 

Deaths, chaos, bloods, and racks are what you really make money on.

 

Items are a treat, and only a few of them still bring in decent money.

 

 

 

2

 

Please no more of this or prayer rates have increased....

 

Luck does crazy things to perception.

 

I doubt that karil has ever been changed since day 1.

 

Whats funny for me is that I think karil has better melee defense than ahrim and I use my dagger specs on ahrim instead and whip karil.

 

 

 

3.

 

Did you spear the melee brothers? They arent weak to barrows weapons.

 

I verac them, but it can be a little bit of a grudge match sometimes.

 

 

 

4.

 

Half of the xp to 99 is spent getting those last 7 measely levels.

 

99s aren't incredibley better than 92s, so they are mainly for show and I wouldn't discount your abilities.

 

Jagex made it a little harder by letter verac do his thing but only after they made it alot easier by letting you find the last brother at the chest.

 

I remember before that update spending alot of the time their just searching for that last brother.

 

If you want a challenge forget the prayer pots.

 

I've varaced the place with no prayer and got in grudge matches with dharok in tight places.

 

When he has a tiny bit of health left and starts hitting them 50s it gets mighty interesting. :ohnoes:

[primadog]

So that's what you're up to that day. 67 on 1 inventory, that must be a record! Where's the TipIt historian?

[Freshwacka]

You only did about 4 runs per hour. That's terrible because I can do about 8 runs per hour, using super restores and food.

 

 

 

Not to mention after 16-17 hours down there, you only made 3m. That's poor. Yes you did get xp, but I could make so much more doing something simpler and better at making money, like runecrafting.

[m4tty]

my melee stats are quite low and i have high magic and ive noticed veracs is very good for barrowing with, sometimes slower sometimes faster so im guessing its always faster with high stats, and allrunes are profit, has using veracs and guthans together ever been tested?

[marlin85]

hey rahk remember me? ive seen u on your 50th trip and 59th trip :)

[Saru Inc]

Guys, tell me if it is just me or have barrows been altered? today i did a grand total of 7 chests and got Dharok's plate, Torag's legs and Dharok's axe.

 

My friend got Dharok's Plate Dharoks Legs and Dharok's platebody.

 

I feel like this wadn't so easy before =/

 

( My lucky day at last? =P~ )

 

 

 

That's sick dude... The best I got was a triple drop of Guthan Spear, Verac Brassard and Dharok pl8... 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-)

 

 

 

And yes, after my 600 runs, (not a lot I know) I've found that barrows is getting easier either that or I'm just getting better....

[RAHK]

1.

 

You did pretty good in terms of items.

 

I'm lucky to get one every 50 runs or so.

 

Most of your profit was on racks and runes.

 

This is why I and so many other high levels that still go there melee (verac or whip) the barrows.

 

Deaths, chaos, bloods, and racks are what you really make money on.

 

Items are a treat, and only a few of them still bring in decent money.

 

 

 

I have pretty good luck when it comes to items, but I agree that the main goal is the runes. 90% of the reason that I go to the barrows field now (other than tests of some sort) is for more-exciting-than-alching mage xp. My point about the items is that is the main goal for most. If gp rewards are your goal, barrows is not the spot in my opinion.

 

 

 

2

 

Please no more of this or prayer rates have increased....

 

Luck does crazy things to perception.

 

I doubt that karil has ever been changed since day 1.

 

Whats funny for me is that I think karil has better melee defense than ahrim and I use my dagger specs on ahrim instead and whip karil.

 

 

 

I can assure you that Karil's accuracy was greatly increased at one point. I no-lifed there and never bothered praying vs. Karil until one day that all changed. No matter my armor, he punched right through it. I even went out and got a crystal shield, and he punched through that as well. Not once, twice, or 10 times. Every time. Now he can't touch me like he could previously (not saying that he is a total push-over, but he stopped abusing steroids... as much anyway). If they changed Verac's to make Barrow's more difficult why couldn't they change Karil?

 

In fact, I am sure that you can remember when people had to start praying on karil months and months ago.

 

I agree that Karil might be weaker, but the x-bow smokes Ahrim so fast that there is no need for specs vs. him.

 

 

 

3.

 

Did you spear the melee brothers? They arent weak to barrows weapons.

 

I verac them, but it can be a little bit of a grudge match sometimes.

 

 

Yes, spear. I was merely referring to the fact that I almost always did damage in the 10-20 range vs. a melee brother during that opening hit when they force-spawned. I just thought that was odd. Straight melee vs. melee is obviously different. I was just mentioning that I seemed to be getting "too" lucky.

 

 

 

4.

 

Half of the xp to 99 is spent getting those last 7 measely levels.

 

99s aren't incredibley better than 92s, so they are mainly for show and I wouldn't discount your abilities.

 

Jagex made it a little harder by letter verac do his thing but only after they made it alot easier by letting you find the last brother at the chest.

 

I remember before that update spending alot of the time their just searching for that last brother.

 

If you want a challenge forget the prayer pots.

 

I've varaced the place with no prayer and got in grudge matches with dharok in tight places.

 

When he has a tiny bit of health left and starts hitting them 50s it gets mighty interesting. :ohnoes:

 

 

 

The prayer pots were for safety. If I was aimed at purely cheap, purely fast, or purely dangerous, I would not use them. The Verac's thing sounds like a hoot so I will be trying that out as soon as I get my new computer. \ 3 weeks! \ :3> :3> ... Sorry about that, lol.

 

 

 

You only did about 4 runs per hour. That's terrible because I can do about 8 runs per hour, using super restores and food.

 

 

 

Not to mention after 16-17 hours down there, you only made 3m. That's poor. Yes you did get xp, but I could make so much more doing something simpler and better at making money, like runecrafting.

 

 

 

Fresh, Fresh, Fresh... You missed both of my points, lol.

 

 

 

I was testing the endurance of one inventory and tactics. Not many people can get 63 runs out of one inventory without that setup. Endurance, not speed. :wink:

 

 

 

7.5 minutes a run? Nice. But that is neither here nor there. The second point is that regardless of tactics, you can make much better cash elsewhere. You sound like I am stating the opposite. I'm not. Barrows is for fun, low-average cash, and low-average gp all rolled into one. For any one of those things, it is horrible and combined it still isn't that great. I think I might just leave the field for a long while until it is fun again.