Parabola Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 Still no explanation as to what exactly they're afraid of happening? Looks like this has gone down the black hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
____ Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 Still no explanation as to what exactly they're afraid of happening? Looks like this has gone down the black hole.Or they're trying to come up with one very convincing lie. "Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." :uhh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satenza Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 Can we have a simple straightforward response from an admin about this topic? Yeah, a delayed response is basically a no response. I still think we should go with my idea, and can't see any reason it wouldn't work since it completely fits with all of the current rules. Keep prodding those admins! With so many trees in the city you could see the spring coming each day until a night of warm wind would bring it suddenly in one morning. Sometimes the heavy cold rains would beat it back so that it would seem that it would never come and that you were losing a season out of your life. But you knew that there would always be the spring as you knew the river would flow again after it was frozen. When the cold rains kept on and killed the spring, it was as though a young person had died for no reason. In those days though the spring always came finally but it was frightening that it had nearly failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ard_Choille Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 The Administration team is aware of circumstances where the combination of RL pictures along with some of the other information found on the forums has been used as stalking means. While the risk of such threats/stalking may seem rare and within each user's control based on the amount of information he or she chooses to post, it is simply a threat we are not in a position to risk for our user base by allowing personal photos to be posted publicly. We hope this answers your questions. Sincerely, Your Administration Team - - My deviantART Page - - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron1120 Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 Well what about Adam's idea to make them viewable privately? Based on what was said here: The rule only covers the public boards. Private communication and private boards such as the ones you listed are not included in the new amended rules for personal information since they are not accessible to the general public. However, users are still reminded of the potential risks of doing so even within the relative seclusion that the private boards offer. Would it be possible for admins to create a private pictures board where we can sign up in the usergroup menu or straight from off topic? The group would be considered private since it's not a default public room. Why not add it as an extra subforum to off topic that you have to either join in the usergroups menu like NL used to be, have a button in off topic to click on, or make it so you have to pm an admin to get board access? I think this would satisfy both sides of the argument. < | Runehead | Learning Java Programming, Please PM Me Tips | Signature by Loaf2000 | > Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Sith Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 Would it be possible for admins to create a private pictures board where we can sign up in the usergroup menu or straight from off topic? The group would be considered private since it's not a default public room. Why not add it as an extra subforum to off topic that you have to either join in the usergroups menu like NL used to be, have a button in off topic to click on, or make it so you have to pm an admin to get board access? I think this would satisfy both sides of the argument. If I may: to build on the Admin team's response in regard to the above idea, what is to stop child predators from joining such groups just to get access to the pictures? Having a usergroup that is solely for the trading of pictures--or other personal information--just calls out to the wrong people. There isn't any way to screen online 'strangers' besides their post history.. and that hardly proves anything. The Admin Team is not being paranoid in their decision; they're basing their judgement on previous experiences, most of which pervade throughout the Admin Team itself. I know of some of the details regarding the consequences about releasing too much private information on an online community like this - they were related to me by my previous "co-workers" here at Tip.it. I can safely say that it is in everyone's BEST interests to not allow the posting of RL pictures here. I was actually for it when I investigated it awhile ago but after hearing people's accounts of certain experiences (of which I had none to relate), I realized it would be better to just disalllow them. I'm sure it isn't the answer the entire thread was looking for but I'm all for being safe rather than sorry. I'm sure there are other smaller, private communities that allow the trading of real life pictures where people actually KNOW the user on the other side of the computer - and I think that to be the best alternative at this point. Hopefully I didn't overstep my boundaries in this post but trust the Admin team on this one guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellbellz Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 I'm sure it isn't the answer the entire thread was looking for but I'm all for being safe rather than sorry. I'm sure there are other smaller, private communities that allow the trading of real life pictures where people actually KNOW the user on the other side of the computer - and I think that to be the best alternative at this point. Hopefully I didn't overstep my boundaries in this post but trust the Admin team on this one guys! What if we met them on Runescape, and found out they live in the same city? I know it sounds odd, but that's case with me and two other people. Would you allow that? O_o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errdoth Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 I know of some of the details regarding the consequences about releasing too much private information on an online community like this - they were related to me by my previous "co-workers" here at Tip.it I don't mean to be rude, but that is exactly what we have been asking for; a reason or example of why this shouldn't be allowed. Last.fm Signature Overlays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azntemplar_00 Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 I know of some of the details regarding the consequences about releasing too much private information on an online community like this - they were related to me by my previous "co-workers" here at Tip.it I don't mean to be rude, but that is exactly what we have been asking for; a reason or example of why this shouldn't be allowed. Some of it is quite personal and they might not want everyone to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errdoth Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 I know of some of the details regarding the consequences about releasing too much private information on an online community like this - they were related to me by my previous "co-workers" here at Tip.it I don't mean to be rude, but that is exactly what we have been asking for; a reason or example of why this shouldn't be allowed. Some of it is quite personal and they might not want everyone to know. Then at least some sort of generalization of a documented case of such where we can effectively understand how, why, and what is wrong. Right now, the administrators and other high ranking people have provided no stable backing as to what is wrong with this and why they fear something bad happening. I know that the administrators have their reasons, but without making said reasons known to us, the decision seems almost irrational. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm fairly certain (me being a newbie) that real-Life pictures were allowed on Scapeboard? Last.fm Signature Overlays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Sith Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 The fact is it happened - more than once. Why is that not enough for you? The Admin team has YOUR best interests at heart. They aren't doing this on purpose just so they can spite the users. As I said, trust that they're doing the right thing - you can do that without knowing all the personal details that people have trouble relating to even their closest friends. How exactly does wanting to protect other people seem irrational? Sheesh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errdoth Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 you can do that without knowing all the personal details that people have trouble relating to even their closest friends. Sorry, I didn't realize it was like that. How exactly does wanting to protect other people seem irrational? Sheesh. When we are kept in the dark about the reasoning behind it, it does. But, as above, I didn't know what I was asking for. Last.fm Signature Overlays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris1216 Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 1) We are not owed jack squat in the way of an explanation. Being on TiF is a privilege, not a right. 2) If you want to share pictures so badly, pm them to people or use another website. There is no reason why we have to keep bothering the crew about something as trivial as sharing pictures of ourselves. I'd rather they be doing something like keeping tip.it and tif running smoothly 3) What sith said- it's not like the admin team has said no because they're trying to spite you all. Either trust them or leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nedich Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 Branching from Adam's idea we should make it so you have to be 18+ to post a picture. That way you are a consenting adult so if you get captured and raped its your own fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercifull Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 Branching from Adam's idea we should make it so you have to be 18+ to post a picture. That way you are a consenting adult so if you get captured and raped its your own fault.Its a shame you had to ruin your post by writing that bit extra i olded. Other than that it was a good post. Mercifull <3 Suzi "We don't want players to be able to buy their way to success in RuneScape. If we let players start doing this, it devalues RuneScape for others. We feel your status in real-life shouldn't affect your ability to be successful in RuneScape" Jagex 01/04/01 - 02/03/12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris1216 Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 Branching from Adam's idea we should make it so you have to be 18+ to post a picture. That way you are a consenting adult so if you get captured and raped its your own fault. And how do you plan on verifying that people are 18? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nedich Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 Branching from Adam's idea we should make it so you have to be 18+ to post a picture. That way you are a consenting adult so if you get captured and raped its your own fault. And how do you plan on verifying that people are 18? They would be posting their photo wouldn't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam007 Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 Branching from Adam's idea we should make it so you have to be 18+ to post a picture. That way you are a consenting adult so if you get captured and raped its your own fault.Its a shame you had to ruin your post by writing that bit extra i olded. Other than that it was a good post. I think he was sarcastically mocking how he sees the admin's stance to be. TheSith, do you think it's possible those problems only occurred for a reason specific to what was going on with the staff at the time? I'm only saying this because at most other communities there aren't problems, and based off this community compared to others that do allow it, I doubt there would be problems(although I guess you have the experience of it which overrides my intution). Do you think we could add this extra board but have stricter regulations like requiring a certain post count to join so we don't get the described lurking predators that sign up on child-friendly forums to scavenge pictures? Again, age, maybe proving you're a certain age by posting your picture to a mod to gain access to the board before they add you, those kind of things. I think if we really want this to work out there are ways we can do it without just giving up on it altogether. And TheSith, it seems the reason people still aren't satisfied with what you said is because of the ambiguity to it. We're told it's for our safety because of predators, then we're told there were issues with the staff, but it just seems all over the place. Do you think you could give a general example of something similar or analogous that could happen to what happened with the staff so we at least could be satisfied with some closure if this doesn't go into effect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris1216 Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 They would be posting their photo wouldn't they? And you can tell that someone is over 18 by the way they look? I don't know why this debate is still going on. The decision has been made. It's over. Go post pictures somewhere else if you want to so badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Sith Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 The problem with looking at the staff situation to determine why something happened would be fine if the incident occurred one time only - but it didn't. There were quite a few and they affected many staff members, all at different times. This is not to say that one of the incidents could have been something personal and not a predator looking for a target--but how do we know that? The truth is, we will never know the reasons behind the incidents that the staff--and users (which I won't get into)--have faced. The reason I am being so cryptic is because it is a delicate issue that brings up many bad memories for people who still browse this forum (on and off the staff). I'm not witholding any information just to better support the blanket rule that exists on Tip.it regarding pictures. I'm simply trying to protect people and relay the dangers of sharing too much information to those who are fortunate enough to have not experienced similar problems. Just because other communities have not had problems (and how anyone really knows that for sure, I don't know) doesn't mean something still can't happen. Setting up certain guidelines and screening users to be a part of a private forum seems like way too much of a hassle just to accomplish this one thing. I'm not sure why people are so invested in it. I've already stated that post count proves nothing, nor does history or post style. So if we are to rely on pictures alone, they can either be faked or just a picture of someone innocent looking who actually isn't! A lot of this may seem paranoid. But if you actually did end up being confronted with a bad situation in which it is not easy to get out, you just may reconsider advocating to thousands of users that they post up pictures of themselves. Nothing like this will be going into effect, so everyone should stop having high hopes about it. As far as examples go, I still don't understand why they are needed - but some of the situations involved individuals' property being vandalized and actual threats made against them and their family. That's all I'm willing to say about it. I don't like to be so antagonistic regarding an issue that seems so simple but people still don't seem to grasp the severity of posting private information on the internet. People go around willy-nilly posting up details about their private lives and then they are shocked when a stranger approaches them on the street and recognizes them from the internet. You have to be careful. If you feel comfortable about the risk, that's fine - but don't impose it on others. That's one thing the Admins can control on this board: the risk presented to the users. They try to minimize it as much as possible. Whether or not you agree with that stance is again up to you, but that is how this site is run and it doesn't seem to have hindered its growth in any way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ard_Choille Posted April 5, 2007 Share Posted April 5, 2007 Ok, here's an analogy for you... One of the most predominant triggers for installing home alarm systems is a burglary actually happening to a homeowner. Most people don't think much about how windows are left open, doors unlocked, keys under mats, etc. UNTIL they are burglarized. We have had users who have been stalked based on a collection of information found on forums, including photos. We're not ready to disable the security system by allowing personal photos and some of the other personal information we prohibit on our forums. The violation of privacy is astounding and the impact on victims is something we don't want any of you to incur. Please don't make us turn this into a news documentary on the dangers of internet stalkers and personal information disclosure. If you want to share photos, there are plenty of ways to do so outside of these forums. - Ard - - My deviantART Page - - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
____ Posted April 5, 2007 Share Posted April 5, 2007 Then uncensor the alternatives if you don't want people posting such information here :uhh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris1216 Posted April 5, 2007 Share Posted April 5, 2007 What alternatives are you talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
____ Posted April 5, 2007 Share Posted April 5, 2007 A lot of the social networking sites were / are censored for "safety" concerns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokemama Posted April 5, 2007 Share Posted April 5, 2007 Then uncensor the alternatives if you don't want people posting such information here :uhh: It hardly makes sense to help you link to such a site when Tip.It doesn't want to be responsible for you doing this in the first place. :roll: it's a lot easier to get over yourself when you look at intelligence the same way you look at beauty, or height, or eye color: being smart is easy, but being good is hard ... being smart is handed to you, being good is handed to *nobody*. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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