Without religion the social order would be in chaos.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For example, if the good religious leaders hadn't thought up Heaven and Hell (whether they believe in it or not), then everyone would feel like they can do whatever they want in life and not get punished for it in the afterlife. There are a lot of people that are good solely because they believe in Heaven and Hell, so kudos to those guys for thinking those two places up.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

True. But these days we have laws in place to punish those who do wrong. However, I see where you're coming from. Some people don't commit crimes soley because they want to go to Heaven.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That depends on your opinion on human nature. The world could be chaos, and it may not be. People already don't beleive in a God. 1.1B atheists and so why arn't we in chaos? Poltics and Government is more important to keep us inline.

I suppose so, I ment more like it was highly improbable. In all of the universes and all the sentient races that exist, it wouldn't make much sense for any religion to have a proper, complete view of a "God", if one exists.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We on earth argue over Gods existence, and we all have the same history of thinkers and religions influencing our ancestors, and and thus our ideas are melded together in the fact that they all stretch out from one common source in history. What of some other race on another planet, who's "source of knowledge" is completely different, having no influence from our thinkers, thus resulting in a completely different worldwide ideology? There could an infinite number of planets like that, so thinking that any religion on our planet is not only more accurate than the other religions on this planet, but more accurate than all the other beliefs throughout the universes, it just doesn't seem to make any sense.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Then again, if humans really are the only race in existence (doubt it), then I suppose the chances are at least possible that a randomly chosen religion on our planet is right :lol: .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I would agree that no religion would have a complete view of God; finite beings cannot exhausitively know an infinite being. However, I do believe that a religion can know truly, and teach only truth, even if they do not know all truth. A child may only know that 2+2=4, and may not know that tanX = sinX / cosX. However, not knowing everything about mathematics does not falsify his knowledge of basic math.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And to your point about other planets, if God is silent, then you're absolutely right. We have no way of knowing whether or not we're closer to the truth than they are. However, if God speaks, we can know, and they can know. They may have an entirely different frame of reference, but if God speaks to both us and them, then we may both know truly despite our different ideologies.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah, any follower of any religion can be just as bad. At times I wonder if the world would be better off without religion. No wars over who's beliefs are right, no extremists, ect. But then I think of people who use religion to get them through hard times, and without it they might just give up.. I suppose the world would be better off if we all just listened to each other beliefs and didn't instantly question them or shoot them down. The only way to know if your religion is right or not is to die and see where you end up. And even then, only you and anyone else who has died know whether they're right or not.. I feel like I'm rambling again.. :anxious:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Before blaming all war and extremism on religion, keep in mind that the 20th Century was the most godless century in history, and also the bloodiest.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Let's take anti homosexuality for example (since it's so controversial). I often hear the argument that the Bible says it wrong. Ok, so it was wrong when the Bible was written. But it's more widely accepted now and yet the Bible continues to say it's wrong. Times change and some things need to change with it. I'm not saying all things, but like the example. Homosexuality being wrong is merely an opinion and thus can easily change but the Bible doesn't update itself as time goes on. I think some things in the Bible shouldn't be taught because it only encourages hate.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. How do you know that it is only an opinion that homosexuality is wrong? Assuming that there are absolute morals, which Christians do, isn't it possible that homosexuality is wrong in all ages, regardless of whether or not it's accepted?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2. The Bible teaching that homosexuality is wrong does not encourage hate unless taken out of the context of Christianity. The Bible teaches that stealing is wrong, but does not teach us to hate the thief. It teaches us that lying is wrong, but does not teach us to hate the liar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It teaches us that we are all sinners, we are all guilty, therefore we have no basis to hate other sinners. It teaches that we can be redeemed from our sins through Jesus, but it tells us to love the unredeemed, not hate them. Jesus taught that the world will know His true followers by their love.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now, Biblical love does not say, "Everything you do is okay." Biblical love says, "What you're doing is wrong, therefore repent, turn from you sin, and find happiness."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A follower of Christ is not a rich man berating a poor man for not having food. A follower of Christ is a poor man who has been invited to a daily feast and is urging his fellow beggars to come with him.

 

 

 

 

 

Without religion the social order would be in chaos.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For example, if the good religious leaders hadn't thought up Heaven and Hell (whether they believe in it or not), then everyone would feel like they can do whatever they want in life and not get punished for it in the afterlife. There are a lot of people that are good solely because they believe in Heaven and Hell, so kudos to those guys for thinking those two places up.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

True. But these days we have laws in place to punish those who do wrong. However, I see where you're coming from. Some people don't commit crimes soley because they want to go to Heaven.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That depends on your opinion on human nature. The world could be chaos, and it may not be. People already don't beleive in a God. 1.1B atheists and so why arn't we in chaos? Poltics and Government is more important to keep us inline.

 

 

 

Even atheists have that little thought in the back of their mind saying "don't do that bad thing, you'll got to hell". I was an atheist less than a year ago, and that's exactly how I felt. I didn't believe in Hell, and yet the idea of it had been imbued into my mind since I was a little kid, I couldn't fully go against it. Atheists may not believe in a God, but these ideas are ingrained in human beings throughout the world, so completely disregarding them is quite difficult.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Note: I bolded the second l in hell because "go to heck" is blocked. Lol.

Christians are very mean to other religions , saying they will burn in hell and etc... Theres always a sense of superiority with christians. And on forums, there is supposed to be discussion, but then religious evidence is often just faith, so arguements arise. Ex: 1: Water is pretty dirty in the sudan, due to the governments pollution etc... 2: No, its because of majin buu's henchmen's energy blasts in the river.

 

 

 

1. How do you know that it is only an opinion that homosexuality is wrong? Assuming that there are absolute morals, which Christians do, isn't it possible that homosexuality is wrong in all ages, regardless of whether or not it's accepted?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2. The Bible teaching that homosexuality is wrong does not encourage hate unless taken out of the context of Christianity. The Bible teaches that stealing is wrong, but does not teach us to hate the thief. It teaches us that lying is wrong, but does not teach us to hate the liar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's only an opinion because everyone has the right to decide what's right and what's wrong. I'm not saying the opinion is wrong, I'm just saying homosexuality is more widely accepted these days and the Bible still says it's wrong.

 

 

 

I say it teaches hate because it tells people that being a homosexual is wrong and you know there are going to be people who will go and shove that down other peoples' throats. And you know people will take it out of context. That just seems to be human nature.

ok lets say that christ did exist and there is proof of there are a few things that dont go for me:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1 the bible is not written by christ or any of his first follewers it was written 100 years after the year 0

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2- so its written in a other moment by a normal man like al of us so its just his thoughts about ''homosexualty is wrong'' and stuf he could not be sure if god thinks it wrong.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

3- have you ever had god saying to you '' homosexualty is wrong its wrong to use any kind of anty conception you wil go to hel if you dont do .... or if you do..... or any of that stuf? if you have had him/her say that then please please tel me so and i wil go to evry forum and apologize for me saying these posts

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

now after you read this can you say the bible has absolute truths? no one has al absolute truths we wil never know if somthing is a absolute truth and 2+2=4 is just a matter of what kind of maths you use our soceity embraced the things 2+2=4 but maybe it is actualy ""|]=: so what is your truth

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

edit: oh and please send me to hell its nice and hot

It's only an opinion because everyone has the right to decide what's right and what's wrong. I'm not saying the opinion is wrong, I'm just saying homosexuality is more widely accepted these days and the Bible still says it's wrong.

 

 

 

I say it teaches hate because it tells people that being a homosexual is wrong and you know there are going to be people who will go and shove that down other peoples' throats. And you know people will take it out of context. That just seems to be human nature.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Everyone may have the right to evaluate right and wrong for himself, but if there is an absolute right and wrong, what the person believes may be false. If there is an absolute right and wrong, then it will not change based on what society accepts. Whether or not something is "up-to-date" is no test of its validity, because absolute, universal truth does not change with the times. Therefore, assuming absolute morality, and assuming God's character and revelation as that standard, society is in the wrong if it disagrees with the Bible, not the other way around.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

People taking the Bible's words out of context to support their hate does not mean that the Bible teaches hate. That they even have to take the words out of context to support hate shows that the Bible does not teach hate. If Biblical Christianity taught hatred for sinners, no one would have to take verses out of context to support hate. However, Biblical Christianity teaches love for sinners, so it is absurd to say that it teaches hate because some people take parts out of context.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My mother tells me, "Don't cross the street." I later cross the street to see a friend, get hit by a car, and end up in the hospital. When my mother asks me why I did it, I say, "You told me, 'Cross the street.'" It is true that she said those words, but she preceeded them with the word "Don't." I took a part of what she said completely out of context to support my own actions. This is exactly what those who misquote the Bible to promote hate do: they take one part of God's Word and seperate it from the rest of His teachings, resulting in beliefs that are completely in conflict with a Biblical worldview.

dumb stuff

 

 

 

Like issy kind of said, you're kind one of the people who make people stereotype people as ignorant/hypocrites. I just wish people could understand not all Christians are like you. For example, Reb:

 

 

 

Too bad religions seem to think they're right and everyone's wrong, which is where all this fighting comes from.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think I understand, issy. Religion is fine. It's when each religion launches personal attacks on the others that makes it bad. It's one of the reasons why I left Christianity.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Honestly that's not a good reason to leave Christianity. Just because some (or a lot) of "Christians" launch personal attacks on other people for their beliefs shouldn't change your view of religion. That's not what religion is all about.

 

 

 

 

 

 

But it's not that simple. Some want to believe - some don't. There is no solid proof for the existence or non existence of God, and until someone finds some, which I doubt anyone will, as rushrock said, people need to learn to respect and accept other people's beliefs.

 

 

 

Religion, at least Christianity, is supposed to be based on FAITH. You don't need "proof." To break religion down into just things you can prove takes away the main concept of religion and that, like I said, is faith.

Let's take anti homosexuality for example (since it's so controversial). I often hear the argument that the Bible says it wrong. Ok, so it was wrong when the Bible was written. But it's more widely accepted now and yet the Bible continues to say it's wrong. Times change and some things need to change with it. I'm not saying all things, but like the example. Homosexuality being wrong is merely an opinion and thus can easily change but the Bible doesn't update itself as time goes on. I think some things in the Bible shouldn't be taught because it only encourages hate.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You didn't prove anything. You just said that homosexuality was right because people accept it (argumentum ad populum), and then therefore the Bible needs to change.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You completely ignored Astra's point about the Pythagorean theorem... since you ignored that example I'll introduce another.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Calculus is 300 years old. Man, that's outdated! We gotta get rid of every application of calculus!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's right along your logic lines, until you refute Astra's point. The quoted did nothing but repeat the point that Astra previously refuted.

 

Let's take anti homosexuality for example (since it's so controversial). I often hear the argument that the Bible says it wrong. Ok, so it was wrong when the Bible was written. But it's more widely accepted now and yet the Bible continues to say it's wrong. Times change and some things need to change with it. I'm not saying all things, but like the example. Homosexuality being wrong is merely an opinion and thus can easily change but the Bible doesn't update itself as time goes on. I think some things in the Bible shouldn't be taught because it only encourages hate.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You didn't prove anything. You just said that homosexuality was right because people accept it (argumentum ad populum), and then therefore the Bible needs to change.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You completely ignored Astra's point about the Pythagorean theorem... since you ignored that example I'll introduce another.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Calculus is 300 years old. Man, that's outdated! We gotta get rid of every application of calculus!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's right along your logic lines, until you refute Astra's point. The quoted did nothing but repeat the point that Astra previously refuted.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Calculus and Pythagoras have been proven. The Bible, by definition, is a collection of stories, some written long after the event, and cannot be proven. There is no comparison.

On the homosexuality point Astra says the bible teaches us we are all sinners and we should repent. Which is true, although can this promote sins as we always will sin and the degree to which we sin doesn't come into anything. So as long as we repent we can be homosexual, murderers and rapists as we always will sin no matter if we arn't homosexual, murderers or rapists? I don't mean to postivley commit sin. But if we do, then why worry about the afterlife if we repent as we will always be sinners no matter what. Which isn't much of a deterent.

yeh i agree with u 100%, why are us christians being persacuted just for our faith that jesus is our lord and savior.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

atheists are just ignorant to christ's glory and when they make posts about something that is no more than religion (evolution) they get to have a go at any1 who proves to them it didnt happen.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

it isnt fair how they get to talk their ignorant views when its clear that god cant be disproved. its clear that we were created and its clear that ppl who speak badly of god will be goin to hell when they die.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

anyway, if u get too upset by it just remember that we will be in heaven while they r burnin in hell.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

im not saying that i don't believe you, but give me proof, i want some quotes, that persecute christians, because i cannot recall any. :-k

Concerning the topic of this thread, which people seem to have forgotten about... :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think that religious beliefs are afforded too much respect in society in general. They should be able to be discussed and disagreed with, the same as any other personal opinion, and the people that hold religious/non-religious beliefs should try not to take it so personally when they are discussed and disagreed with.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Society's taboo on discussing religious beliefs (at least, those of the major religions), encourages us to view them as sacred - but.. if they are sacred, then they will survive a petty human disagreement intact.

Concerning the topic of this thread, which people seem to have forgotten about... :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think that religious beliefs are afforded too much respect in society in general. They should be able to be discussed and disagreed with, the same as any other personal opinion, and the people that hold religious/non-religious beliefs should try not to take it so personally when they are discussed and disagreed with.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Society's taboo on discussing religious beliefs (at least, those of the major religions), encourages us to view them as sacred - but.. if they are sacred, then they will survive a petty human disagreement intact.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't know what society you are from, but where I am, religions, especially Christianity, is questioned almost nonstop in the public arena.

 

Concerning the topic of this thread, which people seem to have forgotten about... :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think that religious beliefs are afforded too much respect in society in general. They should be able to be discussed and disagreed with, the same as any other personal opinion, and the people that hold religious/non-religious beliefs should try not to take it so personally when they are discussed and disagreed with.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Society's taboo on discussing religious beliefs (at least, those of the major religions), encourages us to view them as sacred - but.. if they are sacred, then they will survive a petty human disagreement intact.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't know what society you are from, but where I am, religions, especially Christianity, is questioned almost nonstop in the public arena.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thats not neccessarily a bad thing, like i the other thread I held a beleif you intensley critisised it and i somewhat changed it for the better. Religion should be questioned to strengthen the beleif in the followers, change their opinions hopefully for the better and to progress us as human beings.

Just fine.

 

 

 

The forum is actually biased towards religion at the moment. Forbid you were here a year ago.

 

 

 

I noticed you brought up the evolution topic. That was a different story. That was religious folk not permitting discussion about evolution. They saw the word, and they automatically spammed or flammed the topic. However, if you look at your religious threads, they are untouched. I thought about going in there and doing what you guys did to us, but im not an [wagon] like that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I totally agree. Especially in my evolution topic where my beleifs weren't treated with respect. Just flame wars from those who all of a sudden feel the need to defend thier religion as if they don't have faith. In my opinion, there are a few religios zealots on these forums who ruin the whole religion's image for the decent believers here and everwhere else.

yeh i agree with u 100%, why are us christians being persacuted just for our faith that jesus is our lord and savior.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

atheists are just ignorant to christ's glory and when they make posts about something that is no more than religion (evolution) they get to have a go at any1 who proves to them it didnt happen.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

it isnt fair how they get to talk their ignorant views when its clear that god cant be disproved. its clear that we were created and its clear that ppl who speak badly of god will be goin to hell when they die.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

anyway, if u get too upset by it just remember that we will be in heaven while they r burnin in hell.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My case exactly. Well I suppose I will be burning in hell, thanks for the kind words. And thanks for spamming up my evolution topic which was actually about biology and not christianity.

My case exactly. Well I suppose I will be burning in hell, thanks for the kind words. And thanks for spamming up my evolution topic which was actually about biology and not christianity.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I tried to make a new one on Friday. Turns out that people just skipped over my disclaimer and justification of discussion. I told the mods to lock it after 5 posts (barihawk was the only person that posted an intelligent response for discussion, thank you barihawk :)) However with the first 5 posts being "religious omg way"! i just told them to lock... Im going to be pushing for the reinstatement of the ban on all religious topics. If fourm zealots wont permit me to discuss cold hard biological facts, I dont think they should be able to talk about their religous topics. Eye for an eye. Both sides loose, but thats what you guys chose, isnt it?

I think, that religion should be shared by those that have the same belief, and not brought unto others lives. This would in fact better everyone, as we would stop the arguing over who is right and wrong, and focus on one thing, we are all people. Why should there be so much petty squabbling int he world over such a thing as belief when there are much worse problems at hand. We should use our beliefs as motivation to get what we need done, instead of motivation for putting down or destroying others beliefs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And about evolution. Evolution and religion do not go side by side. There is undeniable proof that evolution does it exist. It exists every day, in us, in others. But, in evolution, does that have anything to do with beliefs in a greater being or what not. Evolution is the study of how life comes to be, and how it changes, not that "God does not exists". It shames me to see any religious person believing that evolution hurts their religion, showing their ignorance. It is also ignorant of anyone attempting to use evolution as a weapon, a proof that "god" does not exist. Get your facts straight before saying anything.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And yes, some people are treated unfairly for their beliefs.

 

 

 

And about evolution. Evolution and religion do not go side by side. There is undeniable proof that evolution does it exist. It exists every day, in us, in others. But, in evolution, does that have anything to do with beliefs in a greater being or what not. Evolution is the study of how life comes to be, and how it changes, not that "God does not exists". It shames me to see any religious person believing that evolution hurts their religion, showing their ignorance. It is also ignorant of anyone attempting to use evolution as a weapon, a proof that "god" does not exist. Get your facts straight before saying anything.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I did not ever use evolution as a weapon, nor did I make any claims against religion or in denial of religion. Most people think evolution is the opposite of religon; its not. I attempted to tell this to the religious folk, but their ears were waxed over.

Okay I've noticed that many topics in this forum are biased toward 'there is no God, anyone who believes in God are all fools.' Many Christians feel they are unfairly treated (as well as anyone who practices another religion). You can go to a topic with many atheists on it, say it's about evolution, and you'll see a flame war. The Atheists will call the religious people 'ignorant zealots' and make posts like 'Get the hell off this thread; any religious posts will not be tolerated and will be reported.'

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I do not believe that someone should be criticized for their faith. I mean if Christians are right, they'll go to Heaven, and Atheists will all [bleep]. So what's the use of Atheists getting so pissed off all the time? Instead of 'These ignorant zealots will not keep a civilized conversation, it's quite the contrary.'

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How do you believe people are treated for their faith?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ridiculous! Persecution! Persecution?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

to pursue with harassing or oppressive treatment, esp. because of religion, race, or beliefs; harass persistently.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You....think...people..are...persecuting you for being Christian!

 

 

 

You want to know persecution? Holocaust... What the Romans did to the Christians...Palestinian people in Israel. You think because someone comes along and calls you a fool for believing in God (which is wrong because you should not blindly call someone's religion foolish), you think you are persecuted. Ha!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Situation: They call you a fool for having no proof. You respond: Well it is enough for me. I believe what I believe and you can do what you want. I encourage you to have a second thought, but I understand your position. Thanks, bye.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You guys are both at fault...but persecution?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You want to know why they are stiff towards Christians? Because most of the time you are rubbing it in their face that they are going to Hell according to your belief. It's ridiculous!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Both sides have their faults.

 

 

 

Theists: Don't rub it in their face

 

 

 

Atheists: Don't retaliate and look at it from their side.

Interesting initial first post. I read about two pages before it got annoying. Here is my take for what it is worth...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am a Christian. I have seen poor conduct on both sides in my brief time on these forums. It appears to me in terms of "How are Christian's treated" that the initial post is a complicated subject when you try to break it down and analyze what is happening.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Take this thread for example... It starts off well and then someone says they aren't a Christian and then you have a person come in condemning people to hell for that. In response you get a barrage of lots of people cracking on Christians and making fun of this guy. I completely understand this response. Of course it goes overboard because you have immaturity on both sides but if I wasn't a Christian I would have been ticked off also.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Then on the flip side you get the same kind of ignorant off the cuff comments directed at Christians which provokes impassioned responses that can go to the extreme as well.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To me I feel this doesn't affect how I personally am treated as a Christian because you have to be able to distinguish between people frustrated at one person and people that hate a religion. Most of the time I think people are just venting frustrations over a particular response so I don't take it personal.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am actually a moderator for a gaming guild that happens to have a love for debating when we have gaming downtime. We have some simple rules on our forum that actually keeps everyone in line and debates on topic. Basically when we invite someone onto our boards to debate with us we just tell them "Only attack the idea, not the person. Don't debate using feelings. If you offer an idea be able to back it with facts to the best of your ability." For us that works pretty well. I also feel like that limits personal attacks on people for beliefs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Always keep in mind that there are idiot Christians as well as idiot Atheists. Also keep in mind there are people that are brilliant that hold both views. Blanket statements like "Everyone that believes x is a moron" merely shows the person who made the statement to be immature. Regardless of your views ignore these people. Don't form your opinion of either one of these views based off your experience with a few morons. What is important is the issue, not the person talking.

I think globally, there is a very real prejudice against religion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On the internet, it's like a jihad against us. Sometimes. This forum is actually pretty good.

 

Okay I've noticed that many topics in this forum are biased toward 'there is no God, anyone who believes in God are all fools.' Many Christians feel they are unfairly treated (as well as anyone who practices another religion). You can go to a topic with many atheists on it, say it's about evolution, and you'll see a flame war. The Atheists will call the religious people 'ignorant zealots' and make posts like 'Get the hell off this thread; any religious posts will not be tolerated and will be reported.'

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I do not believe that someone should be criticized for their faith. I mean if Christians are right, they'll go to Heaven, and Atheists will all [bleep]. So what's the use of Atheists getting so pissed off all the time? Instead of 'These ignorant zealots will not keep a civilized conversation, it's quite the contrary.'

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How do you believe people are treated for their faith?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ridiculous! Persecution! Persecution?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

to pursue with harassing or oppressive treatment, esp. because of religion, race, or beliefs; harass persistently.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You....think...people..are...persecuting you for being Christian!

 

 

 

You want to know persecution? Holocaust... What the Romans did to the Christians...Palestinian people in Israel. You think because someone comes along and calls you a fool for believing in God (which is wrong because you should not blindly call someone's religion foolish), you think you are persecuted. Ha!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Situation: They call you a fool for having no proof. You respond: Well it is enough for me. I believe what I believe and you can do what you want. I encourage you to have a second thought, but I understand your position. Thanks, bye.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You guys are both at fault...but persecution?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You want to know why they are stiff towards Christians? Because most of the time you are rubbing it in their face that they are going to Hell according to your belief. It's ridiculous!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Both sides have their faults.

 

 

 

Theists: Don't rub it in their face

 

 

 

Atheists: Don't retaliate and look at it from their side.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Did you read the title? It said Christians/other religions.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You are Muslim, no? Apparently you fell under the /other religions part of this. It is meant for us to discuss if we believe any religious believe is treated unfairly.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, 'zealots' do attack and flame the hell out of Atheists/Agnostics for how they view things. Especially the 'Jesus Freaks' that shove their religion down the throats of others. It's not wrong for you to stand up for what you believe in, but it does have it's limits.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also Atheists will do the same that they accuse any religious person of doing. Really both sides may attack each other.

Are we all debating with one another.. or are we all trying to get 1 another to believe the other.. convincing them?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Or are we all just sharing our ideas and opinions on the subject at hand?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why are christians so stubborn when it comes to God? Because in life.. there is only 1 truth. No.. I didn't say one fact.. I said 1 Truth.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1 is right.. everyone else IS wrong.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A million people can believe 2+2 = 5 but the truth is.. the answer is 4, even if only 1 person believed it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

When it comes to the nature and cause of the universe.. everyone is seekign the same thing.. The Truth. How was it created?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Chrisanity claims to be "THE TRUTH".. which is why christians are not opened minded.. they don't need to go find the truth, they already found it! Right there in the Bible.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As far as I know.. (remember, i said as far as I know).. its the only Religion and Belief system that has extreemly a high confidence level.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now if God didn't exist.. and it wasn't the truth.. I don't believe their confidence level in what God says would be so high.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am a christian myself.. and yes, I believe the word of God is "The Truth", so I won't be going seeking other religions that "also might be the truth". I already found, the truth.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So yes, you could say we are a arrogant bunch.. or you could say we found what we was seeking.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There hasn't been anything as of yet in the Bible, that I have found to be untrue.. even the foods God tells you to eat in the Bible are now medically showing to be good and healthy food for you than what we serve today and always will be.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The reason why christians have a hard time with athiests is not because they are sinners.. its because christians show hate towards them for not converting into christianity. "Love the sinner". not.. "love them only if they convert".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Besides.. I don't NEED to convince anyone to come to christianity.. God never said "Convince them.. " he said "love them and tell them the truth".. and thats all we need to do. Its Gods job to do the converting.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Has anyone see a christian that became christian out of debate? No, all christians came to christ out of the realization and reality of knowing and being loved.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

All mans desire and course in action is to find love.. and Christians find it in God.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I know what athiests will say.. "Many have died in the name of religion!".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So I ask.. "How many were saved in the name of Athiesm?"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Defender~