I'm sure you all agree... SURPRISING ANALYSIS - 4TH LINK

*sigh*... This is what every single topic on this board seems to be about now.

I did it for a day and went from 13mil to 15mil so yea its a pretty good cash source. I don't think the inflation would have been as bad, but with all the factors (I.e. Summer means more players, Gives kids more time to gain EP for more artifacts and with the special drops taken out that means those would have gone up anyways.) but combined all together at once it becomes bad.

Heres what I have to say to all the whiners.

If you can't beat em, Join em.

Other than that. Please Stfu. We all know the economy is inflating we don't need anyone special to tell us this.

You know whats worse then inflation? deflation....

 

 

 

http://itemdb-rs.runescape.com/viewitem ... 24&scale=2

 

 

 

sure looks like inflation, doesn't it? /sarcasm

Nice straw man. Many Obsidian items were dropped, there's so many in game it's almost impossible for it to go up unless bought out.

Even you said, MILD inflation is good, however in Runescape it's MASSIVE inflation, have you EVER seen 15-20% jump in high end items within a week or so? No.

You know whats worse then inflation? deflation....

 

 

 

http://itemdb-rs.runescape.com/viewitem ... 24&scale=2

 

 

 

sure looks like inflation, doesn't it? /sarcasm

 

Nice straw man. Many Obsidian items were dropped, there's so many in game it's almost impossible for it to go up unless bought out.

 

 

 

Even you said, MILD inflation is good, however in Runescape it's MASSIVE inflation, have you EVER seen 15-20% jump in high end items within a week or so? No.

Yes.

It would happen often before the GE was implemented. It just seems unusual now because the % gains are displayed for everyone to see, rather than having to track and calculate the prices yourself.

I remember when I first started looking into buying a phat, back in like 2005-6, white phat was 10m one week, then 17m the next week, then like 25m the next week.

You know whats worse then inflation? deflation....

 

 

 

http://itemdb-rs.runescape.com/viewitem ... 24&scale=2

 

 

 

sure looks like inflation, doesn't it? /sarcasm

 

Nice straw man. Many Obsidian items were dropped, there's so many in game it's almost impossible for it to go up unless bought out.

 

 

 

Even you said, MILD inflation is good, however in Runescape it's MASSIVE inflation, have you EVER seen 15-20% jump in high end items within a week or so? No.

Yes...

and those are just rares. I remember multiple times back in the day that items would all of sudden increase rapidly after an update...

and by the way, these graphs show that inflation continues throughout this game...yet it still continues to function normally. From someone who has seen inflation take toll on this game since early 2002, I'll stand by my opinion that slight inflation isn't going to ruin the game any time soon...

who cares yes merch clans should be stopped but why does it matter that people are making money from 26king and putting it into the economy isnt that how the economy gets stronger?

You know whats worse then inflation? deflation....

 

 

 

http://itemdb-rs.runescape.com/viewitem ... 24&scale=2

 

 

 

sure looks like inflation, doesn't it? /sarcasm

 

Nice straw man. Many Obsidian items were dropped, there's so many in game it's almost impossible for it to go up unless bought out.

 

 

 

Even you said, MILD inflation is good, however in Runescape it's MASSIVE inflation, have you EVER seen 15-20% jump in high end items within a week or so? No.

 

 

 

Yes...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and those are just rares. I remember multiple times back in the day that items would all of sudden increase rapidly after an update...

 

 

 

and by the way, these graphs show that inflation continues throughout this game...yet it still continues to function normally. From someone who has seen inflation take toll on this game since early 2002, I'll stand by my opinion that slight inflation isn't going to ruin the game any time soon...

Inflation is the general rise of ALL items. Pull out the prices of items such as R2H, Rune skim, Dragon items, Treasure Trail, and other items. They all drop. Your graph only show the rise of a certain market that gains value over time.

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You know whats worse then inflation? deflation....

 

 

 

http://itemdb-rs.runescape.com/viewitem ... 24&scale=2

 

 

 

sure looks like inflation, doesn't it? /sarcasm

 

Nice straw man. Many Obsidian items were dropped, there's so many in game it's almost impossible for it to go up unless bought out.

 

 

 

Even you said, MILD inflation is good, however in Runescape it's MASSIVE inflation, have you EVER seen 15-20% jump in high end items within a week or so? No.

 

 

 

Yes...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and those are just rares. I remember multiple times back in the day that items would all of sudden increase rapidly after an update...

 

 

 

and by the way, these graphs show that inflation continues throughout this game...yet it still continues to function normally. From someone who has seen inflation take toll on this game since early 2002, I'll stand by my opinion that slight inflation isn't going to ruin the game any time soon...

 

 

 

Inflation is the general rise of ALL items. Pull out the prices of items such as R2H, Rune skim, Dragon items, Treasure Trail, and other items. They all drop. Your graph only show the rise of a certain market that gains value over time.

1. Your definition of inflation is wrong...not all items have to rise for there to be inflation... and if it is right, if you look at Jagex's graphs, some items are falling in price..on a daily basis. Even excluding manipulation, which often has prices drops, some items are falling "naturally". Therefore, inflation isn't a problem by your definition, because it doesn't exist...right? /sarcasm

2. I had another point to make...let me get back to you on that as soon as you post another ill-supported argument.

who cares yes merch clans should be stopped but why does it matter that people are making money from 26king and putting it into the economy isnt that how the economy gets stronger?

How can an economy get stronger if nothing new is being put into it under than millions of gp invested into items ultimately raising their price to a new high?

People realise that this "26k'ing" is more profitable than things like Gwd, so they're doing it! That means, a slight decrease of the supply of items from there that is also contributing to their sky-rocketing prices. I've friends in a channel commited to Gwd saying "We won't be doing Gwd until Pvp is fixed", basicly translates to "Lets make the most amount before it's nerfed", which everyone knows is coming.

It's a sad sad time.

who cares yes merch clans should be stopped but why does it matter that people are making money from 26king and putting it into the economy isnt that how the economy gets stronger?

 

 

 

 

 

How can an economy get stronger if nothing new is being put into it under than millions of gp invested into items ultimately raising their price to a new high?

 

 

 

People realise that this "26k'ing" is more profitable than things like Gwd, so they're doing it! That means, a slight decrease of the supply of items from there that is also contributing to their sky-rocketing prices. I've friends in a channel commited to Gwd saying "We won't be doing Gwd until Pvp is fixed", basicly translates to "Lets make the most amount before it's nerfed", which everyone knows is coming.

 

 

 

It's a sad sad time.

Someone alching Magic longbows all day would bring in over 26.5m, which has been around over 5 years, and that takes 55magic is all. Also, when I get a good pvp drop, only about half of it is from statues..the other half is ussually something like dragonstone bolts or onyx bolts+other items. Yet all of sudden you start worrying about? Please! Please trust us who have been here a while, the game is not going to end from inflation.

However, 26king does need to be fixed, I just pray that jagex doesn't legit pvp drops.

The thing with alching, is that the money isn't created from nothing.

Sure, you can mine all the essence, craft all the runes, cut all the logs, pick all the flax and spin it all, along with fletching the bows.

The thing is, that has still brought potential items into the game, which would probably bring in more profit.

Comparing that to 26king is ridiculous, since that actually takes more time, which could be utilised to make even more profit.

All from 91% ep done in about 2 hours. This is getting a bit ridiculous, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to milk it.

Cash money cash cash money.

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You know whats worse then inflation? deflation....

 

 

 

http://itemdb-rs.runescape.com/viewitem ... 24&scale=2

 

 

 

sure looks like inflation, doesn't it? /sarcasm

 

Nice straw man. Many Obsidian items were dropped, there's so many in game it's almost impossible for it to go up unless bought out.

 

 

 

Even you said, MILD inflation is good, however in Runescape it's MASSIVE inflation, have you EVER seen 15-20% jump in high end items within a week or so? No.

 

 

 

Yes...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and those are just rares. I remember multiple times back in the day that items would all of sudden increase rapidly after an update...

 

 

 

and by the way, these graphs show that inflation continues throughout this game...yet it still continues to function normally. From someone who has seen inflation take toll on this game since early 2002, I'll stand by my opinion that slight inflation isn't going to ruin the game any time soon...

 

 

 

Inflation is the general rise of ALL items. Pull out the prices of items such as R2H, Rune skim, Dragon items, Treasure Trail, and other items. They all drop. Your graph only show the rise of a certain market that gains value over time.

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1. Your definition of inflation is wrong...not all items have to rise for there to be inflation... and if it is right, if you look at Jagex's graphs, some items are falling in price..on a daily basis. Even excluding manipulation, which often has prices drops, some items are falling "naturally". Therefore, inflation isn't a problem by your definition, because it doesn't exist...right? /sarcasm

 

 

 

2. I had another point to make...let me get back to you on that as soon as you post another ill-supported argument.

General Rise, excuse me for not picking our my word carefully. Even then your charts does not show inflation during that period. It shows the rise of a few commodities within an economy. If the price of emeralds in the real world rose 100% tomorrow. It does not show inflation, it only shows the rise in emeralds. If however, the price of nearly all commodities (bread, water, coal, oil, jewlery, etc etc.) rose tomorrow, that is a hint of inflation.

That hint of inflation can be caused by many different causes, the rapid increase of the monetary supply in RS easily supports my argument.

I agree. 26King needs to be nerfed desperately. I used to do it until I realized how bad it actually was for the economy.It was also very boring getting my EP up so I stopped after about 2 days of doing it. I'm glad it will finally be nerfed! :thumbsup:

i dont see why infaltion is a big deal.. imo i like it, its brining back old rs.. everything is cheap now, not like it used to be (with a few exceptons, because of other updates ex:dbones)

and anyways, jagex is stuck between a rock and a hard place, they cant stop 26king without bringing back rwt

Inflation is the general rise of ALL items. Pull out the prices of items such as R2H, Rune skim, Dragon items, Treasure Trail, and other items. They all drop. Your graph only show the rise of a certain market that gains value over time.

General Rise, excuse me for not picking our my word carefully. Even then your charts does not show inflation during that period. It shows the rise of a few commodities within an economy. If the price of emeralds in the real world rose 100% tomorrow. It does not show inflation, it only shows the rise in emeralds. If however, the price of nearly all commodities (bread, water, coal, oil, jewlery, etc etc.) rose tomorrow, that is a hint of inflation.

 

 

 

That hint of inflation can be caused by many different causes, the rapid increase of the monetary supply in RS easily supports my argument.

I've shown that now, some items are decreasing in price. I've also shown that item prices(mainly rares) have been constantly rising. Either of which doesn't fit into your definition, because at no instance is the price of everything rising...Most prices are actually pretty steady, only changing when demand changes.

However, that's neither here nor there, as I'm not arguing that item prices are inflating. I'm arguing that inflation has always been a part of runescape, and slight inflation isn't going to ruin this game(which is what the majority of this forum seems to think)

Once again, I'll agree that I hope they fix 26king, but not because it causes inflation. I hope they fix it because it gives lower levels a chance to make gp at the rate should be reserved for the higher levels. However, if they made the amount of ep you gained level dependant(ie make it more like the old bh where there was different tiers for levels, at which it would cap the amount you could make)...that could be a possible fix.

however, I'm not sure if I like that system, because ideally, if I was only lvl 90, yet I pked someone who loses 20m in items, I would want to gain 20m in items(being fair)...but those are the days of old, and probably not likely to see anything that is "fair"...

I'm going to conclude this post with some myth busting. Today, I tested with a friend killing eachother at 0 ep. We killed eachother each 20 times, and ended up losing around 400k on the ordeal. Are drops got to the point where I would get an attack potion for killing him. So the people who claim they consistently kill eachother at 0 ep, and gain 20m, I'm going to say horse [cabbage], and I think I know what probably happens.

My friend got a target kill during this testing we were doing. He managed to gain 1m from the target kill, however he still remained at 0 ep. Jagex claims that killing your target is like using 100% ep on one kill, therefor you're pretty much guaranteed a good drop, so I understand him getting the generous amount. He killed me afterwards three times more for 26k, and gained around 800k. I've always said that it seems like you average about 2m in items/statues per 100% ep. So i'm thinking that from killing your targets, you gain 100% ep, and it stacks onto your current ep, however the meter doesn't show it.

but that's a different tangent, which I'm afraid to do on this board. It seems if you talk about multiple things in one post, people will single out one of your thoughts and strictly argue that. So I urge you, before you reply to this, go back and read it all again...like at least 3 times, let it soak in. If anything, read this: Slight inflation caused by something Jagex introduced and left in the game for over 2 weeks isn't going to ruin this game.

who cares yes merch clans should be stopped but why does it matter that people are making money from 26king and putting it into the economy isnt that how the economy gets stronger?

 

 

 

 

 

How can an economy get stronger if nothing new is being put into it under than millions of gp invested into items ultimately raising their price to a new high?

 

 

 

People realise that this "26k'ing" is more profitable than things like Gwd, so they're doing it! That means, a slight decrease of the supply of items from there that is also contributing to their sky-rocketing prices. I've friends in a channel commited to Gwd saying "We won't be doing Gwd until Pvp is fixed", basicly translates to "Lets make the most amount before it's nerfed", which everyone knows is coming.

 

 

 

It's a sad sad time.

 

 

 

Someone alching Magic longbows all day would bring in over 26.5m, which has been around over 5 years, and that takes 55magic is all. Also, when I get a good pvp drop, only about half of it is from statues..the other half is ussually something like dragonstone bolts or onyx bolts+other items. Yet all of sudden you start worrying about? Please! Please trust us who have been here a while, the game is not going to end from inflation.

 

 

 

However, 26king does need to be fixed, I just pray that jagex doesn't legit pvp drops.

What you're saying is ridiculous. Be it from statues, or other expensive crap that you get it's still going to be sold, and still by most people pumped into a "high level item", thus causing them to rise. And I hope you don't take everyones join dat on Tip.It forums as what you think is the date, or near, when they started RuneScape. :wall:

What's happening now I'm sure hasn't happened in a few hours, with such an easy method of money making being introduced. It is Ruining the economy, you know that full well. But you do it, so you're going to defend it..Typical!

Don't take my earlier post wrong, though. I consider 26k'ing to be wrong, and can't stand merchant(price manipulator) clans. I believe that the pvp statuette issue is only one reason that prices are going up. Add in summertime(already mentioned), Jagex's new macro detection system, and even the recent Chineese government ban on goldfarming, and you'll see that there are a myriad of possible contributing factors to the recent across the board price rises.

Macro detection system and goldfarmer ban would actually be a factor that limited the amount of GP coming into the economy... This too is completely offset by the current main factors of inflation; 26k trick combined with ridiculous PVP rewards, and Price Manipulators...

who cares yes merch clans should be stopped but why does it matter that people are making money from 26king and putting it into the economy isnt that how the economy gets stronger?

 

 

 

 

 

How can an economy get stronger if nothing new is being put into it under than millions of gp invested into items ultimately raising their price to a new high?

 

 

 

People realise that this "26k'ing" is more profitable than things like Gwd, so they're doing it! That means, a slight decrease of the supply of items from there that is also contributing to their sky-rocketing prices. I've friends in a channel commited to Gwd saying "We won't be doing Gwd until Pvp is fixed", basicly translates to "Lets make the most amount before it's nerfed", which everyone knows is coming.

 

 

 

It's a sad sad time.

 

 

 

Someone alching Magic longbows all day would bring in over 26.5m, which has been around over 5 years, and that takes 55magic is all. Also, when I get a good pvp drop, only about half of it is from statues..the other half is ussually something like dragonstone bolts or onyx bolts+other items. Yet all of sudden you start worrying about? Please! Please trust us who have been here a while, the game is not going to end from inflation.

 

 

 

However, 26king does need to be fixed, I just pray that jagex doesn't legit pvp drops.

That is where you are utterly wrong n64jive..

Someone alching those magic Longbows would have mined the Essence, crafted it into the Nature runes, picked or MTK-ed the flax, and stpun it, Cut and sliced the Magic logs, put it all together himself AS WELL AS training all neccisary skills before that... If you add in all that production time, no way you can make 26.5m a day with this...

Unless he bought some of the items...

AND THAT is what the economy is about... Your cash basicly buys you the time so you do not have to do all the other things... Jagex just made it a whole lot easier for people to make money (using not yet outlawed methods) and this creates an unfair balance in the system...

Some, infact a LOT of people skill for their money (crafting, fletching etc), and now they cannot buy the raw materials because their purchase power keeps dropping, far faster then alching can make up... You said this in the form of lvl 60's now being able to make the same cash/hour that high levels can make... I agree

n64jive comes up with items that aren't rising in price. Sorry, but an obby shield hardly matters. It has no high value, is not a wanted item, and is not traded by the millions (like raw materials would)... Coal has historically been extremely stable and has jumped 25gp up in the last week... Thats a much much bigger sign then the Obby shield halving in value over half a year...

...

But, if you need an absolute true and true indicator of there being WAY WAY WAY too much money in circulation (and there being ever more of it), here it is;

The Maple Logs have never hiccuped even slightly away from its firm bottom price of 36 gp since they plummeted from 38 gp on Febuari 7th this year... Not even rising one gp...

Since June 3rd, they have risen to 39 (even instantly selling at 40 for a while), and since then NEVER EVEN TOUCHED the bottom limit again...

We're talking about an item that gets dumped in the GE by the millions upon millions, only used in cheap firemaking and raw materials for junktrading... Right now it sits stable on 38...

If people (on average) are willing to pay 'too much' for such an over-supplied item, then yes, there is WAY too much gp generated in RuneScape...

i dont see why infaltion is a big deal.. imo i like it, its brining back old rs.. everything is cheap now, not like it used to be (with a few exceptons, because of other updates ex:dbones)

 

 

 

and anyways, jagex is stuck between a rock and a hard place, they cant stop 26king without bringing back rwt

How is everything cheap? It's all going up. And it is a big deal since the supply takes time to adjust (longer times for GE to buy) and people who have their money in cash are losing money, since the value of one gp is decreasing. Now people who care about their wealth have to make sure their wealth is invested in items that won't crash, that's not what Runescape should be about.

26k'ing can be fixed without RWT coming back. Whatever happened to PK'ing for fun? It seems like everyone has suddenly got the idea that PK'ing should be profitable or break-even. Back in the "old" days, PK'ers loved what they did even if they lost huge amounts. If you asked any PK'er back then why they PK, they would say for fun. Nowadays we have PK'ers who have whined Jagex into screwing over the economy along with the rest of RuneScape's players. Also drops do not = fun, PK'ers still say that the old wildy was much better than what we have now, even with the negative profit.

They just need to drasticly reduce the chance of a good drop, giving things like food and pots. The potential of a high profit drop doesn't have to go though. Of course, I'm sure someone will/has come up with a better soloution that would stop the water-works coming from the PK'ers, but there's certainly no reason why what I suggested wouldn't work.

My English isn't good enough to participate in this 'debat' but could anyone tell what the best item is to invest in, to counter the 'inflation'?

:<

I think it hasnt brought up yet, but some item price's are tied to gp, due to shops etc, and do not forget, alch prices. So yew logs will not rise much higher because you'd lose a load of money when you alch them.

I apologise if this comes across as ignorant/stupid, but surely the prices of these items are rising due to a decrease in supply?

I apologise if this comes across as ignorant/stupid, but surely the prices of these items are rising due to a decrease in supply?

A slight decrease in supply beacuse the people that did Gwd before have no stopped because Pvp "26k"'ing is better money. They get money from there, and buy items they were working for. E.g, Bandos armour, Godswords etc.

I apologise if this comes across as ignorant/stupid, but surely the prices of these items are rising due to a decrease in supply?

 

 

 

A slight decrease in supply beacuse the people that did Gwd before have no stopped because Pvp "26k"'ing is better money. They get money from there, and buy items they were working for. E.g, Bandos armour, Godswords etc.

To add to this Carl, it may be wise to think that because the people who used to GWD now 26k, the supply of Hilts, Armour and such has fallen, causing prices to rise. (Also applicable to DKS, KBD, Barrows ect..)

On top of this, you also have people with more money, who want the items becuase they can now afford them, increasing demand.

And then to increase demand even more, you have the merching clans who drive the prices up further to make a quick buck.

Further to this, you find the smart people who realise their money is becoming less valuable, and so buy items as investments because it is technically 'safer' to do so.

Unfortunately, this means that prices are rocketing, which is fun for those riding the wave, but isn't fun for those who use their skills for their precious GP.

It really is the fault of the masses though, the people who 26k, merch in clans and the like all just want to make money quickly, and that usually doesn't exist. So, essentially, the player base themselves are bringing the end to the previous "stable" days through the GE, and unfortunatley, even if PVP items were changed and such, prices won't be going down for a while.

I'd like to point out that I have in the past 26k'd, but not by standing around wind bolting/blasting or whatever, I went to the agility course in the wilderness and such for the majority of it, and I have now quit doing so anyway.

Again, people are missing the point, I'm not arguing that 26king isn't causing inflation, I'm arguing the fact that it is no way bad for the game. Slight inflation will not ruin this game!

OMG maples rose 3 gp for a few days. You want to know one of the main reasons items are rising so fast? Because of threads like these. People think "I need to invest my items into cash, because thats what the thread says to do"... Surely it is a good idea, and it's also what fuels prices upwards. I remember back when maple logs were 50 gp ea, and it wasn't too long ago(2-3 years)...what would be terrible about them returning to that price? Slight inflation will not ruin this game!

You do realize that in that past, people didn't care that item prices were going up and down, because they didn't know it because Jagex didn't put it on a silver platter. Nature runes would fluctuate in price randomly as anything else. The game didn't end because of it. Slight inflation will not ruin this game!

Then there are people arguing that this isn't slight inflation. This is MASSIVE. Your biggest argument was maple logs. went from 36 to 39 gp, or roughly 8%. However, then the price drop back to a now stable 38 gp. So it rose around 5.5%. This could have been caused by anything. Some kid with 100m in cash could have gotten worry about this eminent inflation and invested it in maples. This should increase the price. It's not a bad thing. Slight inflation will not ruin this game!

Again, I'll say I know pvp is causing inflation. But don't treat it like it's going to ruin this game. Slight inflation will not ruin this game! If jagex fixes the 26k trick, and people start receiving straight gp drops from pvp(losing 100m in items generates 100m in cash), this will also cause inflation. Simple supply and demand, lowers supply of item will cause an increase in price. If today, everyone in runescape started alching the [cabbage] out of everything, the prices would rise. It's not gonna kill the game.

Slight inflation will not ruin this game!

And I should also point out that I havn't 26ked for cash in the last 4 days. I actually helped your cause by removing over 5m in cash from the game testing items gained at 0 ep. Also, in another thread someone posted that the reward you get from 26king is based on your level.

Slight inflation will not ruin this game!

It's bad, but like NJ64 says, it won't break the game. We will just find a new equilibrum. The only people that got screwed, are those with 100s of mills of cash, who just lost a lot of buying power.