Carl

It is an entire possibility that people are displeased with JaGex, in essence, bending their own rules. If they are not breaking their own rules, they're going against one of MMG's big policy changes: not advertising and flaunting members benefits. They have always had their customers from word of mouth testimony as well. When you're advertising your cards in GameStop with a promotion and then posting something nearly a week before it comes out with the only intention of gaining new members, you obviously just went against advertising the members portion of this game. Yes so what if a company does this, it's normal right? Yup you're 100% right there. However, when the company stays on the same policy of not advertising their members benefits and going as far to remove nearly every aspect of members in F2P to show how important that is to them, they appear to become desperate for money. In essence bending their own rules? No. I don't see "We can't offer a bonus for purchasing membership", anywhere in rules that JAGEX HAVE TO FOLLOW. YES PLAYERS AREN'T ALLOWED TO RWT, BUT JAGEX CAN BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY OWN THE ITEMS. They're going against a big policy change? Wasn't that just something they did in late '09 early '10? Nothing was written in stone and is still there to this day that says they have to follow it - absolutely nothing. Appear to become desperate for money by offering an in-game vanity reward for purchasing membership? No, not at all. It's called being sensible and not ruining the experience for everyone with things like micro transactions for useful items, but allowing members - if they so wish, to purchase something completely useless that they don't even need it. It's just there for the taking, almost like a THANK YOU FOR PURCHASING MEMBERSHIP reward. Talk about turning a mole hill into a mountain...Some of you people are bat[cabbage] insane. To start off, your post couldn't have been much visually annoying than with all the caps lock you used (perhaps if you added color). If you wish to illustrate a point, make it stand out with proper grammar and argument construction. 2: a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings That's the definition of hypocrite according to the Merriam Webster Dictionary. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocrite?show=0&t=1309210631 That is what JaGex would be if someone believed this was RWT. Furthmore, people tend to have negative views of someone who is a hypocrite. Hypocrites tend to lack integrity, as well, and is that what we want in people running a company? Of course nothing is written in stone, but they made the policy change in order to have a better company image. When one flips their policy completely around, there is obvious reasons. Again, remember I'm not against the loyalty program, I'm merely showing that the other point of view, has as much validity as mine. Going from taking out nearly every aspect that advertises members, to flaunting new membership benefits and perks is a drastic change. Why make such a change? Obviously money is an underlying issue and when a company is in need of money, what does thta suggest? New games are costing more than planned? Personally, I don't know and that's as far as I'll speculate. There is nothing wrong with this loyalty program, as I have stated. There is a lot wrong with lacking integrity and changing 10 year old policys and going nearly as far to break one of your biggest rules. I don't think anyone is blowing this out of proportion except the person cruising the caps lock. As I said in my previous post, the math is fine, but the basis of the poll isn't. I wasn't arguing that the poll was correct in any means. In fact, the poll is most likely way off. On a last note, we don't know that the rewards will be completely useless outside of the cosmic sense. I think it's time someone was brought back to reality - this isn't any kind of writing competition. I can CRUISE CONTROL CAPS LOCK if I wish and I don't have to have "Proper grammar and argument construction", because from where I am it's pretty much proper. I don't care if there's the odd inconsistency, it doesn't bother me because quite frankly I couldn't give two [cabbage]s what you think when it comes to my reply. Visually annoying? Please, if only I could show you how much I care with regards to how annoyed you may be. We're going now from them breaking their rules (Which they don't have any that they are required to abide by...) to them simply being hypocritical - well they're allowed to be hypocritical for the simple fact that, as I said, nothing is written in stone. They can change things when they please, as they please. You know why? Because they don't have to answer to you or your requests or anyone elses, because from where they're standing you're going to pay membership anyway. It's extremely unlikely that they are going to lose any money from this, only gain from people wanting vanity rewards. Their company still has a great image, despite what was said almost two years ago. People, when they think about RuneScape aren't going to discuss the effects of auras or emotes, but everything in its past history. This will change ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. And what the hell is the point in speculating on what they may use they money for, if they even need it as badly as some of you people think? Talk about doomsaying at its finest. Oh you're right, people talking figures, saying how this is the start of bad things to come, etc. isn't bad but OH I TURN ON CAPS LOCK AND I AM BLOWING IT OUT OF PROPORTION. LOL get over yourself. And with what we've been shown and what has been said so far, they are simply costumes and emotes, we could speculate as you lot love to do and presume: "Oh Torva must be coming for members for free", but we all know speculation leads to [cabbage] beliefs. Take it as you see it, nothing more than cosmetic items. If you think any more of it you may just be a fool.

What?

I didn't even bother commenting on the math any further, because when applying it to those results obtained from a Youtube video it's just stupid if you expect true results. Your math may be good but you're lacking when it comes to logical thinking and taking other factors into account when doing your math. :thumbdown:

It is an entire possibility that people are displeased with JaGex, in essence, bending their own rules. If they are not breaking their own rules, they're going against one of MMG's big policy changes: not advertising and flaunting members benefits. They have always had their customers from word of mouth testimony as well. When you're advertising your cards in GameStop with a promotion and then posting something nearly a week before it comes out with the only intention of gaining new members, you obviously just went against advertising the members portion of this game. Yes so what if a company does this, it's normal right? Yup you're 100% right there. However, when the company stays on the same policy of not advertising their members benefits and going as far to remove nearly every aspect of members in F2P to show how important that is to them, they appear to become desperate for money. In essence bending their own rules? No. I don't see "We can't offer a bonus for purchasing membership", anywhere in rules that JAGEX HAVE TO FOLLOW. YES PLAYERS AREN'T ALLOWED TO RWT, BUT JAGEX CAN BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY OWN THE ITEMS. They're going against a big policy change? Wasn't that just something they did in late '09 early '10? Nothing was written in stone and is still there to this day that says they have to follow it - absolutely nothing. Appear to become desperate for money by offering an in-game vanity reward for purchasing membership? No, not at all. It's called being sensible and not ruining the experience for everyone with things like micro transactions for useful items, but allowing members - if they so wish, to purchase something completely useless that they don't even need it. It's just there for the taking, almost like a THANK YOU FOR PURCHASING MEMBERSHIP reward. Talk about turning a mole hill into a mountain...Some of you people are bat[cabbage] insane.

You're actually applying that to a RuneScape video hosted on YouTube, LCooL? Sorry but that's just laughable; also to see Isthatok point out the "Ratings" of the video. Essentially there's only the logical way of looking at that video and its ratings, and also why Scorpion replied how he did. I'm sure Scorpion was referring to the 659 posts that were made on the video, of people who may have provided positive and negative feedback as to the Program. Therefore his post was only right in saying thanks. The thing about YouTube videos is - it's not just a poll, people most of the time don't bother voting, myself included. So what's to say that for every negative vote there are't 9 positive? Who really knows? Kind of silly to assume that those results are complete.

From Runescape.com, under Rules Section: It says nothing about it being directed only at the players, and even if it did, the rule does not state that RWT is only against the rules when it comes to third party clients. Like I said, they pulled a play from Nixon's playbook. Also, call them bonuses/benefits/microtransactions, it does not change what is happening. I am NOT arguing that it will snowball into larger RWT through Jagex, but I do not like to see it anyway. However, I am a hyporcrite who will participate in the program. Right so, we are getting nit-picky it seems. Under "Honour", where you would have picked that quote from, as the heading it says: We expect our players not to cheat or indulge in dishonest behaviour. With this in mind, the following behaviour is deemed unacceptable: Jagex create the rules which we are to abide by, that is meaning that none of us can gain an advantage from the purchase or sale of an item we do not own to another player in exchange for a benefit elsewhere. It does not state that they, the creators of the game and the rules by which we are bound that they can not offer a bonus for purchasing membership which grants you points that you can collect and then exchange for a vanity item within the game. Reading the above, so, informs us that Player to Player RWT is completely against the rules, but for Jagex - the real owner of these items, it is okay. That is because they are not essentially breaking rules, really. Not only because they don't have to follow them, but because they are the owners of those items they are giving out. And they're not just giving them willy-nilly, you have to have membership... Which millions of people already have. As a result of having membership after a certain period, a 'gift', so to speak, is added. That's a "Thank you", for continuing your membership which grants you something in-game WHICH OFFERS NO BENEFIT WHAT SO EVER OTHER THAN TO LOOK LIKE A PRETTY PRINCESS OR ROFL AT THE BELIEFS OF THE MICRO TRANSACTION FANATICS. And for your last part you mentioned, we can call them bonuses or benefits, stating it is a micro transaction changes Everything.

Can you please (To save me the hassle :) ) direct me to their rules which state that they, themselves can't offer in-game bonuses for purchasing membership. We see RWT, etc. But that applies to its players, not them.

You are blowing things way out of [bleep]ing proportion, how pathetic, Wessan. Out of all that's been said, all you take from it is "OMG MICRO TRANSACTIONS N0 WAI". Jesus christ when will that childish behaviour stop? LOYALTY REWARD FOR BEING A MEMBER; EACH MONTH GRANTS YOU CERTAIN POINTS THAT CAN BE SPENT ON USELESS IN-GAME VANITY ITEMS. WHAT IS THE PROBLEM. IT'S NOT FREE TORVA FOR BUYING MEMBERSHIP. Most of you seem keen on beating the same dead horse over-and-over.

Hang on a second; someone provides them with a free suggestion and you're saying it's stealing? That's just developmentally delayed... Seriously. If I donate something to charity, it's not stealing when they take it and don't credit me and the millions of other people doing it. You didn't find a thread on Tip.It nor on the RSOF, you do realise the RSOF doesn't maintain an archive, right? Threads can only be so old on there, due to the restrictions. To think you're the only one to have ever come up with the idea is just ignorance at its best, especially when you do a quick Google search (If even that) to use as a basis for your claims. Claim it as yours, because it is. LOLOLOLOLOLOL.

This is the loyalty reward? Or am I missing something?

I played WoW for awhile and I didn't see any bots... WoW's anti-botting stuff is really good from what I hear, but there are still bots I'm sure. Ya + I was in a pvp realm they prob stay away from those. Now RS needs to be like WoW before I tell all my friends to play WoW with me so they lose money. Go for it, I'm sure Jagex won't mind. It's an MMO whether or not you think it is, and your opinion won't change that. Botters won't just go away at the drop of a hat.

There's a clan chat in-game called "Ad Busters", generally if you ever see spam like this -- or even just one person, pop in there and notify a Player Moderator. There's generally several in there, depending on what time of day it is. They'll come and take care of them for you.

Ah, this game "back then" provided a lot of enjoyment... I had the most Snipes... but the forum was rolled back and the game was pretty much stopped after that... Pity, really. Anyway, to add: As others above have said, certain areas really must be a "No Sniping" zone, to add fairness to the game.

Okay. I'm going to have to ask you to settle down. Just as you hate "Jagex hugging brats," I equally hate people who seem to think it's edgy and cool to criticize Jagex for everything that they do and to basically discount any of their efforts whatsoever, because that's the flavour of the month. Any system's first priority is to stop false positives from occuring. I'm sure Jagex would rather leave 10 bots unbanned than ban 1 legitimate player falsely. I know a LOT of people in this game, and not ONCE have I heard of anyone getting legitimately falsely banned at all. A sample space of one, unconfirmed example isn't enough to just start yelling "FU FU JAMFLAX OMFG STOP BANNING LEGIT PLAYERS YOU MAKE ME SICK!!!" And the comments made about the parenting wasn't about the ban - it was about the fact that, as a parent, OP obviously has no trust in their children because they went all net-nanny on their 10 year old, instead of taking the time to try and explain to their child what is right or wrong to do on the internet, and to let them apply this knowledge themselves. Using this cavalier approach of just trying to ban them from running any executable files will just cause their children to question why these restrictions are in place, and hence, try to find a way around them - it's human nature. Also, if the child is 10 years old, they really shouldn't be playing the game, unless under adult supervision. An internet blocking device is just a plain lazy way to avoid actually having to watch your child. Open communication will do far more than any online filter can do. Reply was so dumb I nearly didn't even bother responding to it. Jagex famously banned the first person to 99 range because they didn't think it was real, he later went to Andrew with his laptop to show him it was legit. Jagex had no control or idea of the famous dupe, so they banned anyone with 'suspicious' amounts of items. Countless among countless wrongly banned people on these forums, with screenshots of conversations with TEMPLATE replies because their customer support system is beyond a joke. From sleeping bags to random events, Jagex can't do [cabbage] about Bots, and the only system they have is players hitting the report button and wrongly accused accounts get no further look unless you pay them money, pathetic. (Don't argue here please, there is way too much evidence). Please, and please, don't [bleep]ing post if you don't know [cabbage]. Jagex have terrible customer support - fact. Jagex have no resources to control exploits in their game and pinpoint disasters ( Durial, row, dupe, knife bug, the list goes on forever). Countless people have been wrongly banned and [cabbage] all has been done about it. This is a rant section where players will whinge about this and people placed in similar positions can relate and discuss. What ruins these forums is the pathetic jagex huggers who don't know [cabbage] and actually believe they do the correct thing. You're discussion on parenting matters isn't worth my time, you sound like a University student with 0 idea so I'm not even going to try to contest you're dumb views. Maybe you shouldn't have bothered posting and went with your gut instinct because all that post proved was that you're not a very nice person. Quite precisely, IHas. Talk about blowing things way out of proportion, Elucin8er. You're actually basing everything you've said on things from what...5+ years ago? Are you kidding me? Countless people wrongly banned and posting 'proof' of it? Are you that gullible to believe a picture shown to you only portraying one side of a story? Personally I haven't ever come across someone being banned for no reason what so ever, there's always more to it than meets the eye. Sometimes their accounts have been breached and banned for activities done by a third party on the account...And the ban is moreoften lifted once appealed by the true owner. They don't just go banning people willy-nilly because they suspect they may be botting, and that I'm 100% certain of. You hate people who see sense, apparently. Well I can assure you the feelings are mutual... Going out on a whim because you may know the OP and believe just from that that there was no wrong doing...Oh how foolish.

Yes I know - it used to be much better before. Defending became a lot more than barraging for both teams, it became a search and destroy mission to find whoever was holding the flag. Barraging is fun, yes, but it does get boring. But knowing that if you stop you may very well lose the game motivates you to continue. Only the high levels in maxed gear make it through. I'm not even 'high level' myself, I'm only combat level 122 but I can bite. High level gear has indeed ruined Castle Wars completely, I remember before people just running around in barrows with Mage Wands & books, etc. And the whip was the most commonly used weapon with a Dragon Dagger... Fun times. And arrogance? I know exactly what you mean and I despise those who show it in Clan Wars especially. I try not to bait when I'm there myself, but I will give [cabbage] back if they think they can give it to me... I do quite enjoy it though when the smile is wiped from a 138's face by me, a lowly 122 after they think they are unbeatable.

No-one can enter a topic open-minded anymore, no? Pity.

This won't end any kind of love for gaming, simply just a hiccup and inconvenience.

Not necessarily the case... The poster stated that they pay for membership, not whether or not they supervised their child creating the account. He/She said they instructed their child not to talk to people... But the child may have created the account unaccompanied and put in a false age; As any child would do...

I understand where you are coming from but afraid I'll have to disagree slightly. Yes you are there for fun, but so are they. And perhaps for them farcasting is fun and clawing you is fun. I know in recent months when I've played Castle Wars/Clan Wars I've gone kitted out in the best gear available (Torva, Virtus, Divine, etc.) and destroyed people. I don't care if you are there for fun, so am I. And me tanking you, drinking my overloads and praying is what I find fun. I don't really like using Magic in a melee fight so I don't, but if in multi and I'm getting piled I'll barrage them 'til they are no more. I have often spent several million GP there each day on potions, runes, etc... It's not my fault they didn't. I'm all for fun, not for dying.

Hold your horses there, Ring_World. I wouldn't call it irresponsible, that's silly. A child of 10 really isn't as clueless as the age may suggest. Unless you're a parent yourself you really aren't in a position to judge and say "Shame on..." when given so little of a story. It's understandable why a parent would allow their child to play RuneScape and provide membership, but things do need to be considered, in any case. Yes it can provide them with countless hours of enjoyment, something to look forward to after completing any homework or an incentive to complete their chores.. But the world of RuneScape isn't all rosy itself and Quick Chat really is the best at ensuring complete safety. All I can really say is don't lay blame on Jagex, while their systems may not be banned 100,000 accounts per day, it is not placing wrongful bans. If you are banned, their is a very good reason for it. As above, you are able to contact them at that e-mail and they can explain the situation to you and make it your business to inform them of her real age so they can adjust her account status so it can only use Quick Chat. I know when another player in-game is telling others their age and they are under 13...Which requires a bit of common sense because many say things like "I am 12 and what is this..?", etc. jokingly, I'll report and if necessary mute just to protect them.

Taken from the Terms & Conditions. Honestly, I wouldn't be at all surprised if your daughter did attempt to bot, or provided someone else with her account details so they could do it for her. These things do happen, children are gullible and especially at that age. I recommend you contact Jagex regarding her age when the account is unbanned (If it's not a permanent ban..) and inform them that it was incorrect so she can be given the necessary protection they offer...Which is restriction to Quick Chat only. That ensures that at least another party can not be blamed, and any evidence brought against her in future will be solely her doing. Their detection systems aren't just "Oh this person didn't talk, ban." - it would be foolish to think that. Highlighting this sentence... It is always possible that your daughter did tell others of her age and Jagex 'Stopped' her account by placing a ban on it under macroing...Which may have not been the reason at all.

Earning something from a game should be really to satisfy yourselves, not only to show off to others...So if someone else has it, cool. Don't be upset about it, that's just silly. And I like the look of this, really: That is, if we can obtain it... And on another note, after all of the confusion yesterday I really don't see this as being a bad thing or Jagex playing the devil. Jagex is simply bring a company, one that operates to make profit, really. And this is a good way to do so without bringing about major problems... I say thumbs up.

I take it you were never told what thought done...

Hopefully so, because within the past few weeks the credit card expired... But I do still have the old price. 4.60 per month, still. Happy days.

No, it means that if you cancel your membership, you'll retain your points but your rate of increase will be reduced the next time you buy membership. Ex: 200 - 250 - 300 - 350 - 400 - 450 - *skipped month* - 300 - 350 - etc. Also: in response to the microtransactions rumor that was quickly squashed, I guess that's why they call Runescape the entry point into MMOs. If any of the people who instantly starting whining about microtransactions were familiar with MMO terms, loyalty points are an alternative to loyalty rewards. Rather than reward players with a select item per month/set of months, they are rewarded points to choose what they want. I don't know about that, maybe they will take that into consideration... like if your membership is renewed within a certain period you still retain the increased rate. Because credit cards expire and there's nothing that can be done about it but re-submit the details from the new card.