I do not think that they should be untradable (keep em tradeable). Multiple people have been comparing these to cw, well you can really do that. The two are completely different. Castle wars does not give you good armor for one its just a symbol, the new mage robes will actually give bonuses. If you are to compare the points you get from the new mage area to anythign it would be to tokul (can never spell that right). They are very much the same are they not? you do minigames to earn points/tokul and then you trade them in for armor and weapons. However i think it is a good idea to have maby 1 or 2 items untradeable kind of like the fire-cape. But i feel that they should make 2 aditional things for this like a stronger mage amulet or somethign of the like, and that you do not get it for trading in points, but instead for a cumunative amount of like 100k maby? I dont understand why no one realy complained about the obby and onyx stuff but are about this. There isnt much difference except from melee to magic. They might even be planning something for rangers. High level people and people that don't get to play much would never get them because they dont have the time or arnt so excited about a little more exp? I sounds to me that most of you are just jelous and don't want to see rich players getting them and you working hard. The rich people have earned their money and earned the right to buy the items. Don't let jealosy and selfishness over the items cause them to become the hardest items to obtain in the game. The mage area was made as a new way to raise magic, the wands, book, robes, etc. were a bonus.