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It's still unbalanced. The same people who said they would quit are still playing or going to come back in a bit when everything is balanced. Prices of everything are still bad because Jagex is deleting billions of gold from the game from the rwters, causing deflation and increasing the value of gold, paired with panic selling.

Great, that's absolutely wonderful news! Down with plutocratic elitism in RS! It's about time the best gear is actually affordable rather than accessible only to a tiny few who can stake or merch billions, or those who got billions by being early birds at new bosses(I was part of group number 3, but that's a rare and temporary occurrence in RS). But I lost my Nex set last January and I tanked 24/7 in arma until I got it back. it isn't hard, just people don't want to work towards anything and want instant money.

We don't even know if it will still have the same void bonus properties.

So what did you do at Jagex? Customer service?

Post them with the img tags :)

Wait for the inevitable anger by people who think their achievements are somehow invalidated and hate free bonuses. And for the f2pers to complain even though they don't do much for the company. And the inevitable responses to this post trying to justify why this bonus is bad or why f2p is relevant beyond a demo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nostalgia

Love how we have a topic that basically says nothing except "don't stake" because the first post got emasculated. Cheating scum don't deserve protection.

You said we haven't seen it used yet. Have you seen the graphics, or heard the music? Absolutely stunning, and completely different from past years. You have to pay people for that. Though the behind the scenes videos only shows like 1 designer, there are a lot of people working to make those a reality that don't ever get credited. Also, it takes as much as 1 year to see updates come out. SoF RWT was released less than a year ago. Runescape is moving off of Java and onto another platform. I wonder where the money is coming from. Also why does Jagex RWT? A few reasons, one of which I mentioned in my previous post. Another reason? It's their game. Many MMOs are doing it now, it's not exactly Jagex's own idea. Doesn't mean you have to accept or like it, but I would rather have that than RWT from dicers or botters.

Ignoring the blatent "RIP Old RS" theme of this post, the fact of the matter is times have changed. The game isn't owned by the people it was originally run by, and with changes in leadership comes changes in philosophies. Simple. The constant rehash of this argument seems to live on the notion that Jagex are the only people who have ever sold out, which in itself is comedic at best. They aren't the only people who've ever sold out. But if it's OK for Jagex to sell out, why not the players? If they're going to embrace RWT, why are the players banned from doing it? Bottom line: Jagex has the opportunity to at least do something with the money gained from their RWT, as opposed to private RWT where there is no opportunity.

How about you stop being cynical and think for a second? Let's say I wanted to spend money on RWT. Would I rather give it to some random guy who will probably buy a new computer or video games with it, or would I rather give it to some random guy who has the opportunity to use it to directly change something in the game? The opportunity to use the money to fund something game related is greater than 0% chance of using it. We don't know what jagex is doing with the money, but I highly doubt all of it is being used for personal gain. And although the whole wealth != advantage rule is gone, there was no stopping anyone from rwt before SoF. You could pay people to train on your account for you, for example. Or buy gold.

The difference is where the money is going. At least Jagex can do stuff with the money, like get more servers or hire more people, or use it to pay the people they already have. Or they might pocket it, but those previous possibilities are still there, and there is no proof they don't do anything with it. People who RWT can't and don't do that. There is a 100% chance of them pocketing the money.

I edited my post quite a bit, sorry for the confusion. Don't look at this as simply profit/loss or just monetary. Look at it from a more humanitarian standpoint. The people who play these games usually do not realize when to quit. Instead of doing something worthwhile with their money, they are slowly giving it to someone. The odds are slightly against them. Even in dice duels, the host makes a cut. You are losing money in the long run. But, these people can't control themselves.

They aren't stealing, but they are taking advantage of people who cannot control themselves otherwise and profiting off it. Profiting off the shortcomings of another human being. It's messed up. Not to mention the winnings are used to hurt the economy (hoarding items for merching) or facilitate rwt. Sort of why dueling is also looked down upon, but at least there a bit of skill comes into effect. Also, the odds are in the hosts favor anyway.

"I hate how Runescape has become" "So it is my responsibility to make it worse" I wouldn't shed a tear if he offed himself. If he has that mentality for a GAME, who knows what a piece of shit he must be in real life.

Yeah, because any other demonstration besides the Swiftswitch one actually worked. You are going to play the update and get used to it. And nothing will happen. Same with the free trade restrictions, same now.

Lets hope my claws will still have some sort of use. Doubt it, and we will probably start using one weapon type after about 2 months. Hopefully I can sell each claw separately when EoC drops.

Can we not turn tip.it into 4crap, tumbleh, redshit, 9fail, or whatever garbage site you visit? Thanks.

Perhaps. Mostly the people who will be quitting are the long time players and the people aiming to become/are high leveled players, which is scary because we have the highest retention rate of any of the players. Sure, lower level and mid level players, or at least players who have played for less time, pay the same amount, but there is no guarentee they will continue to play 1 year later. The same goes with new players who are interested in Runescape because of the new changes being made. What sets us apart is that higher level players have a much higher chance of playing 1 year, even 5 years down the line. Seeing so many of these people literally sell they banks, cancel membership, and rwt their gold is absolutely horrifying to Jagex. Jagex is a buisness. They need to push these very high level updates, because high level players are the only guarentee they have of maintaining at least the same STEADY profits years from now.

The video mentions 4 gods. I REALLY hope it isn't zaros, because that would ruin the existing lore. Armadyl would be the best choice.

Can you right click the grave and get items without opening the interface? This is important, because if aggressive things can close the interface graves just got more difficult.

Sounds great and all, but I wish we could just bind whatever we wanted. Of course, it would be imbalanced as hell, but it might be fun.

When the relatively small number of people affect the majority, yes. [rest of post, I shortened] Read the rest of my post above that part. It will hurt more people diretcly than botting is. You mentioned that you WC and Mined and Fished. Did you know current prices are higher are about the same as they were during restricted trade? And it was actually easier to force prices during restricted trade by using the GE? You complain about prices fluxuating, but they aren't all that different from when there was no free trade. And buying raw materials in restricted trade ge? Good luck, when everything is bought out for maximum price because people are waiting for it to rise and refuse to sell. Sick of waiting a few days to get raw materials I wanted to train. And you mentioned waiting for the right time to sell? Same principle applies with restricted trade. And restoring restricted trade RIGHT NOW will not stop client based companies. Legitimate accounts, not lvl 3 throwaway accounts, will still bot to get levels. There will still be bots around, sure less goldselling bots, but I guarentee you prices will not change much. Resource gathering will get popular with bots gone, and the prices will remain the same. I saw it happen firsthand in 2007, it will surely happen again. Read my post a few posts up, post #412. It lists all the BS that happened when free trade wasn't around. People complaining they were being scammed all of their money, through a different form of gambling in "merch clans", a type can controlled all the odds for themselves. The only thing you listed that has a tangible effect is "price of items", which I explained was false above. Sure integrity is important, I even emphasized it in a previous post, but integrity or lack of it will not mess up my gameplay directly. You list "changes" like Jagex would actually do that. The free trade system was around for over 3 years without changes, and all the things you listed above slowly went to crap. And "Restricted-trade is preferable to a large number of players; mainly those in the low-to-mid level range." That means I might as well start wearing rune again and mining coal. You forget that this isn't like classes, such as low, middle, and upper class in real life. Low and mid players WILL become high level players. Then what? They enter a world of restrictions and might as well continue mining. Meanwhile, players of all levels took advantage of the BH system to get free money. This money influx is what drove prices so high for many items. This is even worse than botting, because at least bots aren't getting free money from mining or wcing. I listed enough reasons why it DIRECTLY AFFECTS you, post #412 this thread. I am absolutely certain, having lived through it, that it is worse. People are nostalgic for an earlier time. Through this nostalgia, we tend to eliminate all the bad and focus on the good, which when compared to today which is usually seen as all bad, seems like a great time. But it wasn't. Did you know that many of the elderly still living in Russia actually view Communist Russia as a better time for the country, as a time of prosperity? I liken that to how people view Runescape during the trade restrictions, compared to now. Jagex can do so much more to stop bots and rwt. Discussing going back to restricted trade is like ignoring all other measures that would be simpler and more beneficial to execute.

It isn't worth it. It hurts too many people just to stop a few. People still botted on their own accounts. Entire companies botted or played on accounts which they sold to you. People got their accounts hacked just to sell the whole account with the gold in it. The trade restrictions didn't stop botting or RWT, just made it much more subtle but just as bad, while causing many more problems which I believe are worse than the RWT now. Just take a step back. How is RWT hurting your play experience directly? I don't support RWT and believe anyone who does it should be banned or at least more strictly penalized, but I would be lying if I was saying RWT was hurting my play experience directly. The entire PvM and PvP communities were hurt in their entirety. Some people claim staking isn't a legitimate form of making money, but some people only play to stake and don't do anything unscrupulous with the winnings. They were hurt too. Is that worth it to stop a relatively small number of people?

I hope you are being sarcastic. I certainly loved afking in wildy for 2 hours to get 4 kills, and the massive influx of money that came from that. I also loved junk, and merch clans controlling what you could and couldn't buy because they bought out every item for their scams. Need a whip? Guess I should wait until next week to buy it. Loved how useless items like mint cakes were suddenly used in escrow of gp in order to bypass a flawed system. Absolutely loved not being able to split drops with friends, and being confined to a strict pricing system. Loved how flawed the GE was, with items from bosses being permanently locked in place if no one bought them. RL trading by using third age items in ge was a great system. 3k trade limit was great when trying to share supplies when bossing. Finally, loved not being able to give items or money to friends as gifts. Yep, RS was really great then.