TheAncient

But you're seemingly wearing A blessed d'hide top and have a terrorbird out, unless that's someone else...? Terrorbird was just BoB... I don't consider Terrorbird as BoB to be welfare because tortoise is pretty useless. Guthix Blessed dhide top = 180K = welfare. it's the same thing as black dhide but just doesnt look terrible

welfare gear = pro drops. what i welfared: -- black dhide instead of karil body -- monks instead of sharks -- bunyip instead of titan -- broads instead of diamond e

The full penance armor is absolutely terrible. 3 ppoints per minute is so lousy. If you're using a protection prayer (drain rate of 3 ppoints per second), you end up saving almost 3 ppoints per minute wearing just a neitiznot helm. not to mention you lose barrows/RFD gloves. Plus the 1/60 rune return rate for the trident is also really horrible if you lose +10% magic.

I don't really get slower kills. A lot of the time i get it under one shield. In fact, I'm using BGS and broads and have been killing them consistently faster than the person who was just next to me using void/AGS/hand cannon. It really, really, really just comes down to if you're good at switching prayers and weapons. The only thing you can't go cheap on is GS. GS is far better than whip or hally. The only bad thing about my welfaring is that I have to bank every 15 kills instead of 40, like you said. But I really don't mind cause I can't sit for 2 hours straight doing TD's -- I need rest. Plus banking takes only what, 2 minutes anyway

Does increased AI = more likely that prime will get you if you're soloing rex? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWJJVxNLVig Also a long time no see sseli, been doing fine? That's a really good vid. thanks a lot for linking it bruno... TD's have been a absolute botch to me, and i need cash so i'll be dking instead He uses the spot I used to use. I think the only thing they changed was that it's possible to pull prime while you run between spots I've been good... playing rs instead of MW2 lool

I've gotten 400 kills and one lump. i hate you :P and my first 3-4 trips i did nothing but experiment safespots. i think reading guides help, especially on tis board. they actually cover some of the more useful safespots imo the best one is the north one. there's quite a few tricks to it into luring the other two demons into not attacking you but you'll get those eventually.

please tell me that setup is a joke (with your stats that is) i can afford to do it in full armadyl and whatever but that stuff does the trick and gets results. i don't really care and at the end of the day i can spend the money on something better because let's face it armadyl looks like someone attacked initiate with scissors ... I'm not talking about the gear, the setup you're 79 summoning using bunyip and terrorbird for pete's sake edit: and dhide > armadyl there I'm like 300 crims from using uni but I still use bunyip and terrorbird. Why? it gets the job done, and i'm lazy. I can still manage 15 kills per trip. And that's with monkfish. you may laugh at me but I'm spending less than 150K a trip... and when you have a huge dry streak like I am having right now, and not a lot of cash, I'm happy with my welfaring. what matters most at TD's is your ability to hybrid. a good hybrid in welfare gear is far, far better than a bad hybrid using the best food and gear.

Does increased AI = more likely that prime will get you if you're soloing rex?

I tried soloing supreme yesterday. I think he's a lot harder... I used to be able to solo him without food but yesterday I killed 5 using 6 brews and a BoB of food...

For people w/ low def who don't want to spend money on prayer potions, barrage/burst then sidestepping to use salamander isn't a terrible choice

I use halberd and have done TD's next to people using godsword. In some cases I kill them at the same time as the other person. The best part of the hally is the spec; with it, it might even be equivalent to a GS. My max so far with the spec is 90+. Plus with only a 30% spec bar requirement, you can use it 2 times against one TD.

Im a little bit confused as to what you meant by the diamond e hitting through the shield. You do realize that it is possible to hit through the shield with any weapon as long as he's not praying? The shield just reduces accuracy and damage; it doesn't nullify attacks.

That won't work cause you need to be in continuous combat with the same enemy for the 10% to occur

Bump my question >_>

Just curious -- do level boosters allow you to meet the requirements for this?

hah you're funny :) Anyway on topic, note that leech defense >> sap ranger / mage / melee Why? I believe it takes shorter for leech defense's full effect ( 10% --> 25% ) to kick in. Sap ranger / mage / melee reduce defense and another skill in an alternating fashion, but leech defense reduces defense only. Except that if you are using mage or range against them, their mage/range stat provides some defense as well. So while leech is better on a pure defense level basis, sap prayers drain both defensive sides of that class. Meaning, the real drain to defense is somewhere around 40% rather than 20% like it says, and the 25% drain of leech prayers are indeed less than this. I've read somewhere that for mage and range defense, it's 70% Defense level and 30% mage or range level. Plus leech defense has a lower drain rate so if you want you can also add leech range or leech mage.

hah you're funny :) Anyway on topic, note that leech defense >> sap ranger / mage / melee Why? I believe it takes shorter for leech defense's full effect ( 10% --> 25% ) to kick in. Sap ranger / mage / melee reduce defense and another skill in an alternating fashion, but leech defense reduces defense only.

Uni's totally own clan wars, just saying.

You do get extra boost just not as much as if the other player/monster has 99 att/str. Either way at waterfiends it's still a higher boost than piety. I think wf has 1 attack 1 strength, so turmoil is worse there.

For pure mages: +5-10% mage/-10-20% defense/-10-20% mage is much better than +15% mage For pure rangers: yes, eagle eye is much better, because it affects damage For hybrids: even if you switch prayers perfectly, it still takes up APM (actions per minute, aka attention) that you could have used to heal or switch. healing will cause hit delay unlike item and pray switching but in the time between hits a hybrid can switch all their gear and prayer Not if you use uni's or titans. Plus you can repot with that tempo if you really wanted to And no, I have plenty of combat experience and it's nearly impossible to eat, switch top, bottom, weapon, protection prayer, offense prayer, and then attack enemy all in one tempo.

For pure mages: +5-10% mage/-10-20% defense/-10-20% mage is much better than +15% mage For pure rangers: yes, eagle eye is much better, because it affects damage For hybrids (1v1), curses are better. You'll have time to have the curses reach their full effects - in this case, I think curses > 15% boosts. Yes, a good hybrid can switch between prayers, but even so, it takes up APM / tempo / attention that could be used for switching prot prays or attacks For hybrids (multi), curses are worse, cause you lack the 15% defense prayer / piety -- which is pretty important for tanking

I can't imagine using curses at barrows -- which do you use?

Turmoil and Soul Split have been the main area of attention for the Ancient curses. However, not all of us have 95 prayer, and many consider the Curse prayerbook to be useless without Turmoil and Soul Split. However, I think it's worth taking another look at the Sap and Leech curses. The main drawback behind switching to the Curse prayerbook is the loss of 5% and 10% boost prayers; however, these are mainly meant for low-intensity combat such as slaying or training. In this area, the normal prayer book is much better than Curses. This is out of our discussion. The Sap and Leech curses are designed for intense combat situations, such as against bosses or in PvP, since the strength of these prayers relies on the power of the opponent. Therefore, we should really only compare the curses to normal prayers in these high intensity combat situations. Here's a summary of my comparison between the two prayerbooks: Ancient Curses (Sap and Leech only): -- Mainly for bosses; Sap and Leech aren't too good in melee PvP -- Can use prayers to counter all corners of the combat triangle simultaneously -- Are significantly better against bosses (?) -- Berserker works well with extreme potions -- Better for hybrids since you can cover more sides of the combat triangle -- Better for mages since your curse effects can affect multiple opponents at once -- Better for mages since 15% mage prayer only affects accuracy and not damage Normal Prayers: -- Comparatively lower drain rate for the same effect -- Better for rangers (eagle eye is better than any Curse for rangers) Do you use Sap/Leech? Why? And in what situations?

Double post sorry :x But to unspam: don't use both sap range + sap warrior at the same time. It's kind of pointless since the defense-decreasing effect doesn't stack.

Just by the way - I tested out vengeance and the curse prayers. Both are really quite good. With curse prayers, my attacks against TD's are much more accurate in the latter half of the fight. In my experience, it gives faster kills than switching between eagle eye and piety. Then again, I'm pretty bad at switching between those. So if you have trouble switching between offense prayers, or want a slower drain rate, use curse prayers. From best to worst: Turmoil (havent tested) Leech Defense Sap Range Sap Warrior