Tip.It Times Presents: Are They Only Pixels?

[oops1644]

I completely agree with all but one point of this article:

 

 

 

"...then 80% of RuneScape's players are under 18. It would safe to assume that many of the players have never had a job because they are under the legal working age..."

 

 

 

There are jobs out there for under-18-year olds(paper routs, fast food, stock person, etc) and most high schoolers (even a few grade schoolers) i knew had or have part time jobs.

 

 

 

Anyway, to all the people who say "it's just pixels", can you give me your whip or dragon armor? After all it's just pixels. :)

[Unleasher10]

That's a horrible thing to say. People have given much more than sitting in front of a computer, clicking on things (if that can count as work at all) towards "out-game" achievements! Where was the computer you are using manufactured? In a semi-conductor plant - through techniques refined by decades of research and experimentation. Through what method does your computer screen display this post? Why, through a cathod ray tube oscilloscope, invented by German phycisist Karl Braun in 1997 - after decades of research with semi-conductors at the University of Berlin. And why we conversing in German now? Why aren't our neigbores being persecuted for speaking out against the government? Because, thousand's gave the ultimate sacrifice to furthur the cause of freedom against the facist Hitler in World War II.

 

Good point. However, what I'm getting at is that either you should see all achievements as worth something or you should see all achievements as worthless. After all, if I smith a rune scimitar today and sell it (not that I can, 43 smithing :oops: ) players could still use it months from now. True, they aren't worth nearly as much as RL achievements, but they're still worth something.

[kiwi_db]

I totally agree with ya MPM our emotions about an item/possession in real life, or in Runescape are not tied to the monetary value of it, but entirely to the time value - money is nothing, time is everything 8-)

[Jopie211]

Great article, I totally agree. :D

[Irool]

I would not give much sympathy to people who express sadness over a lost item in RS. However, I would sympathize with any friend's loss in the material world.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh, Really??

 

 

 

I thought friends expressed sympathy relative to the amount of worth your friend would assess his own loss. If your friend treasures items in game, and you're my friend, you better be sympathetic if my account gets cleared and all my items get taken. Otherwise, I don't want you as a friend.

 

 

 

Anyway,

 

 

 

I could already see a major hole in your argument when you said you wouldn't give sympathy to people who suffer an ingame loss, but you would sympathize with a friend who lost something in the material world.

 

 

 

You've basically already admitted you know your argument is wrong because of the special privilege given in your argument (I'd feel differently if it were "a friend", but a common person--I dont really care about any loss they have)

 

 

 

You can't be very sympathetic if a person experiences an in game loss?? What if the person is your sister, or your friend, and it meant a lot to them? you would just say "eh" at their years of lost work?

 

 

 

 

 

FYI, talking about special privileges given to friends or family in an argument about ethics is basically an invitation to be told you're wrong. If what you're saying can't be applied universally, then you aren't making a legitimate argument in the LEAST bit.

 

 

 

I'm not saying that every time you see a random person you should cry over their loss. I'm just saying that you should understand the impact of a loss on a random person, just as well as you should understand the impact of in game loss if it happened to a good friend. (as opposed to only feeling bad about something when it happens to a close friend)

[andybrann]

Great article, I fully agree.

[Maynard]

That was actually a good read mate.

[Eccentric]

The fact that anyone could mistake the difference between the value assigned to real world objects, effort and achievement, and Runescape pixels and time spent on things is not entirely unbelievable, but still very disturbing. Money isn't everything, but when you don't have it you realize just what the term financial security really means; nothing in Runescape can compare to financial security. Now, I can understand that people whose family has never had a time when money was tight and it was a choice between eating at all and not can mistake the true value of money. But the schism between the two is ridiculously large.

 

 

 

Money aside, I have a hard time believing that a teenager has never in their life worked towards any sort of goal or felt any sort of achievement. I'm not talking about a genius with an eidetic memory who barely needs five minutes to study for a test and ace it getting a scholastic award kind of achievement, I mean like catching your first fish ever or the first time you rode a bike on your own. Even though you know many people have done it before and very few people can't do it at all, you feel a sense of achievement because you know you've learned a new skill. Nothing in Runescape compares to that. Nothing in Runescape ever will.

 

 

 

Does it suck to lose an item or a ton of money? Yes. Does it suck as much as losing real money, is the achievement it represent equal to an achievement in real life? No. You lose money in Runescape, it's sad for a minute and then you move on because it's really not worth fretting over. You lose hundreds of dollars and you lose sleep. It's not just a question of eating rice and soy sauce for a week or two (which, is not fun in the slightest), it's not having money to go places with your friends, not having money to go to the art gallery or the movie theatre, it's a loss of freedom that you earned; or worse, it's the rent money you needed.

[ChickyBee32]

The fact that anyone could mistake the difference between the value assigned to real world objects, effort and achievement, and Runescape pixels and time spent on things is not entirely unbelievable, but still very disturbing. Money isn't everything, but when you don't have it you realize just what the term financial security really means; nothing in Runescape can compare to financial security. Now, I can understand that people whose family has never had a time when money was tight and it was a choice between eating at all and not can mistake the true value of money. But the schism between the two is ridiculously large.

 

 

 

Money aside, I have a hard time believing that a teenager has never in their life worked towards any sort of goal or felt any sort of achievement. I'm not talking about a genius with an eidetic memory who barely needs five minutes to study for a test and ace it getting a scholastic award kind of achievement, I mean like catching your first fish ever or the first time you rode a bike on your own. Even though you know many people have done it before and very few people can't do it at all, you feel a sense of achievement because you know you've learned a new skill. Nothing in Runescape compares to that. Nothing in Runescape ever will.

 

 

 

Does it suck to lose an item or a ton of money? Yes. Does it suck as much as losing real money, is the achievement it represent equal to an achievement in real life? No. You lose money in Runescape, it's sad for a minute and then you move on because it's really not worth fretting over. You lose hundreds of dollars and you lose sleep. It's not just a question of eating rice and soy sauce for a week or two (which, is not fun in the slightest), it's not having money to go places with your friends, not having money to go to the art gallery or the movie theatre, it's a loss of freedom that you earned; or worse, it's the rent money you needed.

 

 

 

 

 

*sigh* I had an awesome post in reply to this, then reread your post and realized mine was pointless. I completely agree with everything here - especially about rice & soy sauce! I'm never eating rice again.

 

 

 

But I will add - there was a period where I was getting daily calls from bill collectors, my relationship was on the rocks due to financial stress, I was ill almost constantly from stress and facing the fact that I would probably have to move back in with my parents at the age of 25 and with a 1 yr old son - it was the small achievements in RS that helped. The little stupid things that will mean nothing once I log out of the game were the things that made me think "Hey.. I can get something right."

 

 

 

Sad and lame? Yeah, I know. But had I been scammed during that period, I would have been thinking "Hell... I can't even get things right on a computer game."

 

 

 

So uh, this turned out to be a lot more in depth than I ever meant it to be. And before anyone starts to question my state of mind, I have a big 'SANE' stamp that my partner puts on my forehead every night before bed. :lol:

[xpeimingx]

As I promised in my second post, anyone with questions has the right of reply for the sake of a positive argument. I am looking for constructive criticism. Unfortunately, manipulations like the following do appear.

 

 

 

I would not give much sympathy to people who express sadness over a lost item in RS. However, I would sympathize with any friend's loss in the material world.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh, Really??

 

 

 

I thought friends expressed sympathy relative to the amount of worth your friend would assess his own loss. If your friend treasures items in game, and you're my friend, you better be sympathetic if my account gets cleared and all my items get taken. Otherwise, I don't want you as a friend.

 

 

 

Anyway,

 

 

 

I could already see a major hole in your argument when you said you wouldn't give sympathy to people who suffer an ingame loss, but you would sympathize with a friend who lost something in the material world.

 

 

 

You've basically already admitted you know your argument is wrong because of the special privilege given in your argument (I'd feel differently if it were "a friend", but a common person--I dont really care about any loss they have)

 

 

 

You can't be very sympathetic if a person experiences an in game loss?? What if the person is your sister, or your friend, and it meant a lot to them? you would just say "eh" at their years of lost work?

 

 

 

Yes, really. I think anyone, not just friends, deserve that sympathy for losses out-game. My dissent was not about "special privileges" given to people. Your post twists the whole argument by manipulating my real meaning with just one word. I have already answered why I would just say "eh" at "their years of lost 'work'" if it is "work" at all. The answer is elaborated in the whole of my dissent, and I advise you to read it, because I think it has been made clear.

 

 

 

FYI, talking about special privileges given to friends or family in an argument about ethics is basically an invitation to be told you're wrong. If what you're saying can't be applied universally, then you aren't making a legitimate argument in the LEAST bit.

 

 

 

I think that it could be universally applied. I have never said that I hold friends and family in higher preference. Again, you are manipulating the general meaning of my post in a negative way. That is not the spirit of a positive argument; in fact, it encourages misunderstanding and premature assumptions.

 

 

 

I'm not saying that every time you see a random person you should cry over their loss. I'm just saying that you should understand the impact of a loss on a random person, just as well as you should understand the impact of in game loss if it happened to a good friend. (as opposed to only feeling bad about something when it happens to a close friend)

 

 

 

This paragraph is somewhat not so clear, but I get the gist (friend/close friend?). It would be great if you could clarify that.

 

 

 

My second post up there should help enlighten any misunderstandings...

 

 

 

I hope opposing viewpoints are welcome hereÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâæ but my hope is disheartened after this altercation, Irool.

[shade1234]

Great read :thumbsup:

 

I hate people who say their only pixels.

 

I once knew someone who would laugh at me when i lost something and say there only pixels.

 

Yet the second he loses something he starts cryin asking if i can help him get the money back for it.

 

The annoying thing is i helped him get it back then i died in barrows a few days later losing my whip(worth 3m at the time #-o ) and he starting saying there only pixels get over it.

 

Suffice to say he earnt a permanent place on my ignore list -.-

[kdb148]

This is a good topic. I hate it when people say "Oh, it's just pixels," or something to that effect. Because it isn't just pixels - expensive items require a lot of time and work to acquire. People don't feel like they lost something because they no longer have a santa hat to wear, or whatever it happens to be. The feel the loss because of how much it took for them to get something.

 

 

 

A better real life example than the ones in the article would be the case of a kid saving up to buy an expensive baseball card. If you really want something like that as a kid, you have to spend hours delivering newpapers, shovelling driveways, mowing lawns, or some other task that kids normally do in the neighborhood for money. Then finally, you finally have enough to buy it, and you go into the store to reap the rewards of your time and effort. Then the next day, someone steals from you. You aren't mad because you lost something of value, but rather because all that time and effort was just wasted. It's the same if, say, someone DCs while wearing a santa and gets killed by a random - they might have worked weeks or even months to get that item - and now because of some intervening event, everything they worked for is gone.

 

 

 

When you have to spend time and effort to acquire something, it is of much greater value to you than just its monetary value. It represents that time and effort, and there are few things more frustrating than when your hard work is all for nothing. To give another example, say your boss at work gives you a special assignment to work on. You read, reasearch, and write what you think is an excellent report. You stay up nights at home editing it, working on it to make it the best it can be. Then you hand it in to your boss, and he tells you, "Oh, sorry forgot to tell you, but we scrapped that project and don't need this report any more." You work has no monetary value, but you still want to wring your boss' neck and are incredibly frustrated because your hard work went to waste.

 

 

 

That's what sucks about losing high-priced items or a lot of gold coins in Runescape. And why players often feel that they have a right to get it back - because the guy who happened to be standing there who picked it up didn't put in any time or effort. Because of this, it's worth a great deal more to the person who lost it. In other words, it's NOT only pixels, and players would do well to remember that and maybe be a little more understanding about how players feel when they lose those expensive items.

[soxman45]

:( I HATE those people who say "its just pixels." :evil:

 

 

 

:| They should remember the golden rule "Do unto others as you would like them to do to you." :roll:

 

 

 

:shame: If they lost an item they spent months of their life trying to get, how would they like it if someone said to them "its just pixels." -.-

[Irool]

As I promised in my second post, anyone with questions has the right of reply for the sake of a positive argument. I am looking for constructive criticism. Unfortunately, manipulations like the following do appear.

 

 

 

I would not give much sympathy to people who express sadness over a lost item in RS. However, I would sympathize with any friend's loss in the material world.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh, Really??

 

 

 

I thought friends expressed sympathy relative to the amount of worth your friend would assess his own loss. If your friend treasures items in game, and you're my friend, you better be sympathetic if my account gets cleared and all my items get taken. Otherwise, I don't want you as a friend.

 

 

 

Anyway,

 

 

 

I could already see a major hole in your argument when you said you wouldn't give sympathy to people who suffer an ingame loss, but you would sympathize with a friend who lost something in the material world.

 

 

 

You've basically already admitted you know your argument is wrong because of the special privilege given in your argument (I'd feel differently if it were "a friend", but a common person--I dont really care about any loss they have)

 

 

 

You can't be very sympathetic if a person experiences an in game loss?? What if the person is your sister, or your friend, and it meant a lot to them? you would just say "eh" at their years of lost work?

 

 

 

Yes, really. I think anyone, not just friends, deserve that sympathy for losses out-game. My dissent was not about "special privileges" given to people. Your post twists the whole argument by manipulating my real meaning with just one word. I have already answered why I would just say "eh" at "their years of lost 'work'" if it is "work" at all. The answer is elaborated in the whole of my dissent, and I advise you to read it, because I think it has been made clear.

 

 

 

FYI, talking about special privileges given to friends or family in an argument about ethics is basically an invitation to be told you're wrong. If what you're saying can't be applied universally, then you aren't making a legitimate argument in the LEAST bit.

 

 

 

I think that it could be universally applied. I have never said that I hold friends and family in higher preference. Again, you are manipulating the general meaning of my post in a negative way. That is not the spirit of a positive argument; in fact, it encourages misunderstanding and premature assumptions.

 

 

 

I'm not saying that every time you see a random person you should cry over their loss. I'm just saying that you should understand the impact of a loss on a random person, just as well as you should understand the impact of in game loss if it happened to a good friend. (as opposed to only feeling bad about something when it happens to a close friend)

 

 

 

This paragraph is somewhat not so clear, but I get the gist (friend/close friend?). It would be great if you could clarify that.

 

 

 

My second post up there should help enlighten any misunderstandings...

 

 

 

I hope opposing viewpoints are welcome hereÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâæ but my hope is disheartened after this altercation, Irool.

 

 

 

1st. You write so pretentiously that it just makes every sentence you write VERY awkward. (even though you probably think you have the most amazing vocabulary in the world, you use the word dissent around forty times--a word I expect to use once a year in a year when I overuse it) C+ for writing skills.

 

 

 

2nd. You didn't respond to ANYTHING i said. You only claim that I twisted what you wrote the whole time.

 

 

 

3rd. If ingame accomplishments can't be classified as work--Then I would like it very much if you would PM me your username and password asap. Put up or shut up please :)

 

 

 

4th. Altercation? Not once did I get personal prior to this post, I don't see how a response to your points classifies as an "altercation". Then again, you probably just don't know what the word means

 

 

 

5th. You seem fairly misguided in life. I doubt you have any real friends IF you wouldn't feel sympathetic toward them suffering a big loss in a game that is important to them. (but how could I know that? you didn't even respond to any of my points or examples) I know you already explained why you would say "eh" at years of lost work, I'm asking if you would do that to the face of your best friend or your sister?? How would you expect those people to react to the loss of YOUR years of time put into runescape? (assuming they thought it meant a lot to you--As most RS player's accounts mean to them, as you can see from all the responses)

 

 

 

your thesaurus is probably almost worn out, respond if possible. Thanks for the runescape account in advance :)

[blazeblaze]

the truth is if its just pixels to you you shouldn't be playing the game. :shame:

 

just makes you look dumb cuss your saying your working for nothing. :wall:

[Mouseydude]

i DO sympathise with people who have lost stuff

 

i DONT sypathise with beggers who ask for free stuff after losing theirs

 

 

 

But yes, Pixels or not, they all represent time spent, (NOT effort, no offence jagex but this game could be played 99% as good by a 7 year old than u guys) this game requires time to get those "pixels" and by gosh i love my pixels that spell out 3000k.... (lolz woot for 3m!)

[coenvg]

I agree with it, it can be a great loose, but they are still pixels

 

 

 

:pray: dont be upset what I wrote are just pixels :ohnoes:

[Dazzuh]

 

Money doesn't grow on trees neither does it in RS.

 

 

 

Oh, so what are Magic trees?

 

Nah i'm just kidding.

 

 

 

I agree completely with the Article. Some people just don't care when people lose their stuff. Just put yourself in their shoes, if you lost an expensive item would you think Meh, it was only pixels. Nothing to be sad about...

 

 

 

NO. You would'nt. :wink:

[xpeimingx]

As I promised in my second post, anyone with questions has the right of reply for the sake of a positive argument. I am looking for constructive criticism. Unfortunately, manipulations like the following do appear.

 

 

 

I would not give much sympathy to people who express sadness over a lost item in RS. However, I would sympathize with any friend's loss in the material world.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh, Really??

 

 

 

I thought friends expressed sympathy relative to the amount of worth your friend would assess his own loss. If your friend treasures items in game, and you're my friend, you better be sympathetic if my account gets cleared and all my items get taken. Otherwise, I don't want you as a friend.

 

 

 

Anyway,

 

 

 

I could already see a major hole in your argument when you said you wouldn't give sympathy to people who suffer an ingame loss, but you would sympathize with a friend who lost something in the material world.

 

 

 

You've basically already admitted you know your argument is wrong because of the special privilege given in your argument (I'd feel differently if it were "a friend", but a common person--I dont really care about any loss they have)

 

 

 

You can't be very sympathetic if a person experiences an in game loss?? What if the person is your sister, or your friend, and it meant a lot to them? you would just say "eh" at their years of lost work?

 

 

 

Yes, really. I think anyone, not just friends, deserve that sympathy for losses out-game. My dissent was not about "special privileges" given to people. Your post twists the whole argument by manipulating my real meaning with just one word. I have already answered why I would just say "eh" at "their years of lost 'work'" if it is "work" at all. The answer is elaborated in the whole of my dissent, and I advise you to read it, because I think it has been made clear.

 

 

 

FYI, talking about special privileges given to friends or family in an argument about ethics is basically an invitation to be told you're wrong. If what you're saying can't be applied universally, then you aren't making a legitimate argument in the LEAST bit.

 

 

 

I think that it could be universally applied. I have never said that I hold friends and family in higher preference. Again, you are manipulating the general meaning of my post in a negative way. That is not the spirit of a positive argument; in fact, it encourages misunderstanding and premature assumptions.

 

 

 

I'm not saying that every time you see a random person you should cry over their loss. I'm just saying that you should understand the impact of a loss on a random person, just as well as you should understand the impact of in game loss if it happened to a good friend. (as opposed to only feeling bad about something when it happens to a close friend)

 

 

 

This paragraph is somewhat not so clear, but I get the gist (friend/close friend?). It would be great if you could clarify that.

 

 

 

My second post up there should help enlighten any misunderstandings...

 

 

 

I hope opposing viewpoints are welcome hereÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâæ but my hope is disheartened after this altercation, Irool.

 

 

 

1st. You write so pretentiously that it just makes every sentence you write VERY awkward. (even though you probably think you have the most amazing vocabulary in the world, you use the word dissent around forty times--a word I expect to use once a year in a year when I overuse it) C+ for writing skills.

 

 

 

2nd. You didn't respond to ANYTHING i said. You only claim that I twisted what you wrote the whole time.

 

 

 

3rd. If ingame accomplishments can't be classified as work--Then I would like it very much if you would PM me your username and password asap. Put up or shut up please :)

 

 

 

4th. Altercation? Not once did I get personal prior to this post, I don't see how a response to your points classifies as an "altercation". Then again, you probably just don't know what the word means

 

 

 

5th. You seem fairly misguided in life. I doubt you have any real friends IF you wouldn't feel sympathetic toward them suffering a big loss in a game that is important to them. (but how could I know that? you didn't even respond to any of my points or examples) I know you already explained why you would say "eh" at years of lost work, I'm asking if you would do that to the face of your best friend or your sister?? How would you expect those people to react to the loss of YOUR years of time put into runescape? (assuming they thought it meant a lot to you--As most RS player's accounts mean to them, as you can see from all the responses)

 

 

 

your thesaurus is probably almost worn out, respond if possible. Thanks for the runescape account in advance :)

 

 

 

Well, if this discussion has gone to insults and accusations, I won't participate in this discussion any furthur. It should be made clear that I started this particular argument with my , and therefore I can end it. There is absolutely no point in continuing this any furthur because:

 

 

 

1. People should treat each other with respect on this forum, and I've given all my due respect to you. Clearly, you have not shown me any. In fact, your attitude from the biginnnig is just the opposite. I have not insulted you or made presumptions about you in any of my posts. You, on the other hand, slight my vocabulary, life, writing style. I bet that your posts are the only ones that are that rude in this thread. I've even PM'ed you to notify you of my response.

 

 

 

2. You claim that I didn't answer any of your first post. The answer is in my first post, if you read it.

 

 

 

3. You never mentioned the reason for my stand. You just assume that I'm a bad cold-hearted person who goes around laughing at other people's achievements.

 

 

 

For the sake of this thread, I wish to end this crossfire of insults and accusations between us two. I just hope that your response to this doesn't have to make me suggest to you to read my actual dissent.

 

 

 

All I want is for you to read and understand what my stand is and the reasons for it - nothing more. I didn't write up my dissent for someone to take the chance to sneer at the author. Again, all I want is for you to understand what my stand is and the reasons for it.

 

 

 

EDIT: BTW, Happy Fourth of July.

[estarayella]

ok here we go, THEY ARE ONLY PIXELS!

 

 

 

yes you put your time and effort into them, and if you lose your rs items i will sympathize with you (unless you are an abyss pker picking on the rcers, then you deserve it). i will not sympathize with beggars.

 

 

 

having said that they are only pixels in the grand scheme of things. they wont feed you or your family, or keep you warm with a roof over your head, you cant curl up with your virtual cat when you are feeling down, or go out and fish your own food to eat in real life (not where i live anyways). runescape is virtual. it is not real, and has no use in everyday life other than a small measure of entertainment. If pixels make you happy, go for it, im not gonna rant at you, but remember at the end of the day they are just pixels, you cant take it with you anywhere in real life.

[Unleasher10]

having said that they are only pixels in the grand scheme of things. they wont feed you or your family, or keep you warm with a roof over your head, you cant curl up with your virtual cat when you are feeling down, or go out and fish your own food to eat in real life (not where i live anyways). runescape is virtual. it is not real, and has no use in everyday life other than a small measure of entertainment. If pixels make you happy, go for it, im not gonna rant at you, but remember at the end of the day they are just pixels, you cant take it with you anywhere in real life.

 

True, they won't feed your family or put a roof over your head, but they do still have value.

 

 

 

What, essentially, makes real life more important than RS? So far I've gathered:

 

1. Real life achievements can help other people.

 

2. Real life achievements affect you longer / more.

 

3. We cannot avoid real life, while RS is optional.

 

 

 

My response to those things are:

 

1. RS achievements can also help others. If I have high mining and smithing, I can make my friend rune full if he's lost his. If I have high combat, I can protect my friend when he's about to die against an Ankou while he's going to get his Stronghold of Security boots. Granted, helping in real life is far more important than in RS, but that just makes the value less, it doesn't diminish it completely, and your argument is that they have no value at all.

 

2. Again, this makes the value of RS achievements far smaller, but doesn't take away all the value from them.

 

3. While you can avoid RS, a lot of people don't, as you can see just looking at these forums. Therefore, people still participate in RS, and we can still use our RS achievements to help them.

 

 

 

So, to sum it up, RS achievements might have way less importance than RL achievements, but they do still have some value, and therefore they aren't just pixels.

[malo2]

very similar to an earlier article, but still very good and true.

 

 

 

having said that they are only pixels in the grand scheme of things. they wont feed you or your family, or keep you warm with a roof over your head, you cant curl up with your virtual cat when you are feeling down, or go out and fish your own food to eat in real life (not where i live anyways). runescape is virtual. it is not real, and has no use in everyday life other than a small measure of entertainment. If pixels make you happy, go for it, im not gonna rant at you, but remember at the end of the day they are just pixels, you cant take it with you anywhere in real life.

thats not something you need to worry about if you have internet connection, in fact, if you are having trouble finding those necessities, then what the hell are you doing on runescape?

[estarayella]

unleasher i never said they have no value, i said they have little value.

 

 

 

my arguement is that they have less value than real life. perhaps an easy way to explain it is that in the same way as runescape is only pixels, money is only paper. by itself, its worth nothing, its what you can get with it that makes is worthwhile. ow with money, you can buy food, and clothes, toys, pets ect so on so forth. you can make other people ans youself happy, in a materialist way. runescape pixels wont do that. yes they can make others happy, but its not something you can touch or taste or smell and for me that means they are worth very little.

[malo2]

unleasher i never said they have no value, i said they have little value.

 

 

 

my arguement is that they have less value than real life. perhaps an easy way to explain it is that in the same way as runescape is only pixels, money is only paper. by itself, its worth nothing, its what you can get with it that makes is worthwhile. ow with money, you can buy food, and clothes, toys, pets ect so on so forth. you can make other people ans youself happy, in a materialist way. runescape pixels wont do that. yes they can make others happy, but its not something you can touch or taste or smell and for me that means they are worth very little.

that made me laugh, i don't know about you, but having expensive items to show off on runescape makes me much happier than toys.

 

 

 

On the other hand, do you have a job? if so, then with your logic, why are you even here? if not, then with your logic, get one, and why are you even here?

[estarayella]

malo yes i have a job, and im here because i use runescape as a form of entertainment. by toys, i mean anything that provides entertainment, for example, computers, cars, dvd's, games consoles.

 

 

 

would you rather have a dchain or a ferrari enzo?, a party hat, or the worlds best games console? full third age or the books that you've been wanting for years?

 

 

 

do the pixels really compare to that?