All of us have seen bots, most of us h8 bots and some of us have bots!

 

 

 

BAD PART OF BOTS

 

The only things which i can think of what are bad abouts are:

 

- I think people who own bots are people who don't want to play rs properly and want to get money easy. Thats why we should report them and i don't mean reporting all bots in draynor village doing tree cutting or in catherby doin fishing i mean just 1 or 2 every time ur see one.

 

- For people who use aussie world they always on thore world both on member and free.

 

- Also when ur wooodcutting Bots are usually really high so people who start off in willow yew etc.. it's very hard to get logs and you have change world regulary to not get bots on the world.

 

- Bots bring down the price of lobs, swordies, sharkes, willow, yews etc... so that the items is cheaper so that the seller doesn't get alot of money for his hard work.

 

 

 

GOOD PART OF BOTS

 

there is only two good things about bots which are:

 

- The people who own bots get more stuff so that they can sell it and make money (Thats if you own which most of us don't).

 

- When buyin stuff it is much cheaper because bots have brung the price down.

 

 

 

THE SCORBOARD

 

Bots are bad:8

 

In Between:1

 

Bots are good:0

 

 

 

Plz post so that you can tell what you think of bots and you agree with me :thumbsup:

All bots do in this game is create frustration, make people annoyed because they can't train properly, and give people who want to actually woodcut have a big disadvantage.

 

 

 

If your using bots in order to play this game then you should really go back to GTA where cheats actually make the game fun. Since bots have much more negative aspects instead of benefiting us I no not enjoy bots at all.

BAD.

 

 

 

Bots keep the market price way too low for the commodities they deal in. The RuneScape market can function perfectly well without bots, as legitimate players can trade their resources at prices which are higher without a hitch, as more players will be compelled to start retrieving their commodities by themselves due to the high prices.

 

 

 

Off-topic: W00t! 100th post!

Bots/SSW'ers are definitely bad news for the community especially those new to the game.

 

 

 

It means that guys 'n' gals that would harvest 'item-x' buy whatever legitimate method they use can't obtain a 'fair' or balanced trade price for there item. I suppose it could also foster an attitude thats more likely to lead regular, rule following players into methods that are against the rules.

 

 

 

"They're doing, so I'll try it on as well".

 

 

 

Everyone, irrespective of there skill level, pay to play or free to play, should be allowed to enjoy trading fairly without the Bot/SSW'ers 'distorting' there value.

 

 

 

I think that given enough time and help from us the playing communities, Jagex will largely or completely get rid of this.

 

GOOD PART OF BOTS

 

there is only two good things about bots which are:

 

- The people who own bots get more stuff so that they can sell it and make money

 

 

 

This only counts for those who own them and they are cheaters.

 

Overall, bots are bad because it only brings down the price for the buyers, but everyone else has to suffer the bad parts.

Overall, bots are bad because it only brings down the price for the buyers, but everyone else has to suffer the bad parts.

 

 

 

I'm inclined to agree with these sentiments :)

I don't really classify bots as "good," they take away the work-ethic aspect of the game, since they're programmed to work. However bots are useful for supplying high demand products that normal players are unwilling to retreive, or that take too long to get an adequate amount of. Things such as: essence (normal and pure), flax, yews, willows, oaks etc. You can see now that most bots have retired, the supply of these items have decreased. It wasn't unique to see people selling 100k pure essence for 75ea about two months ago, now 10k are being sold for 100-120ea.

Well, for me I hate them. They make the servers full, plus They make the server run slowly. I understand that many of these players out here love them for the raw materials that they sell, but they have to understand that they are harming Runescape behind the scenes aswell.

 

 

 

~Alina

Bad.

 

 

 

Even though their presence kept the prices on certain commodities low, I doubt we would have noticed the high prices if there were something magically preventing their presence in the game from the beginning. After these updates that eliminated their motivation for botting, a lot of people are mad because the prices started going up, because we were all spoiled by the low prices. We would have managed with the higher prices, and we can certainly manage when they do eventually go up to those prices.

 

 

 

That was pretty much the only excuse people had for liking bots. I needn't go into the other obvious negative elements bots brought about by their presence.

All of us have seen bots, most of us h8 bots and some of us have bots!

 

 

 

BAD PART OF BOTS

 

The only things which i can think of what are bad abouts are:

 

- I think people who own bots are people who don't want to play rs properly and want to get money easy. Thats why we should report them and i don't mean reporting all bots in draynor village doing tree cutting or in catherby doin fishing i mean just 1 or 2 every time ur see one.

 

- For people who use aussie world they always on thore world both on member and free.

 

- Also when ur wooodcutting Bots are usually really high so people who start off in willow yew etc.. it's very hard to get logs and you have change world regulary to not get bots on the world.

 

- Bots bring down the price of lobs, swordies, sharkes, willow, yews etc... so that the items is cheaper so that the seller doesn't get alot of money for his hard work.

 

 

 

GOOD PART OF BOTS

 

there is only two good things about bots which are:

 

- The people who own bots get more stuff so that they can sell it and make money (Thats if you own which most of us don't).

 

- When buyin stuff it is much cheaper because bots have brung the price down.

 

 

 

THE SCORBOARD

 

Bots are bad:8

 

In Between:1

 

Bots are good:0

 

 

 

Plz post so that you can tell what you think of bots and you agree with me :thumbsup:

 

 

 

There is nothing good about bots.

 

 

 

Even if there was a price drop due to bots, the cost has to be paid later by:

 

 

 

* Loss of friends (who quite because bots undermined their game-play)

 

* Server performance: bots make no money for the game (even free-world bots probably use ad-blocking) and only use server resources, meaning less funding available for updates and server upgrades.

 

* When a resource (or an entire game) no longer makes money they simply dump it, leaving no players to further gather it - which creates further problems when players began abandoning whole parts of the game. So if anything they cause long-term instability by undermining player based game-play in any MMO they enter.

 

 

 

Bots were used extensively by RWT to rip-out resources as quickly as possible from the game. RWTs are clearly identified by Internet Security Companies like Symantec as high sites for trojans, key-loggers, and viruses. Additionally such sites are a know risk for credit card theft and identity fraud.

 

 

 

Although I personally am saddened by any loss of game-play due to areas being exploited by RWT, nothing good can come from allowing massive RWT to continue to undermine our game.

 

 

 

Regards,

 

 

 

Fey.

Bots are a powerful drug. Once they are there they are next to impossible to get rid of and require a painful process to rid yourself of them. But when they are there you enjoy them to the fullest extent. So why they feel good they are in essence bad.

i agree entirely, but has anyone noticed what effect the grand exchange has on bots? i'm not online regularly, and haven't had the chance to check the bots out...

 

 

 

p.s. i love this thread! it makes me feel happy, knowing what i've done to level is pure and legitimate!

In case you haven't noticed with bots on the point of non-existence, prices have still not inflated to great heights. In fact, prices have been on the drop since the stake cap, with a fair amount of products stabilizing at prices well below their original prices.

 

What are lobsters at now? 120, 150 each? Before the cap, you could make constant sales at 250 each. Flax and bowstrings? Same thing. All of those examples were products of bots. Yet, with the lack of them prices are still not rising, and will not rise.

BOTS ARE BAD

Ok, I will be hated for saying that bot is, in overall senses, beneficial to both the user and everyone else.

 

 

 

However, think about the reason why people use bots. Then, think about what is the purpose of games.

 

 

 

Ofcourse, the purpose of games are to entertain. If a game is supposed to be entertaining, then why is runescape so repeatitive? Think about your runescape experience. Do you have more good time with it, or more bad and frustrating experiences in playing it?

 

 

 

Take the skill "Magic" as an example. It takes someone 3 months of training magic before they can enjoy the fun and excitement of ice barrage. And how long can someone enjoy it? a few hours before they run out of runes? few days? Under immense pressure of getting magic level up, the boredom of repeatition from clicking alchemy and the real life costs of those things, the monetary costs of membership and the time consumed by it, don't we deserve something more? if we don't have something more than an extra icon available on the magic panel, why can't we simplify the process? 3 months in real life could be used to achieve many things. Compare that with Runescape, how little is it, being the reward for 3 months of boring and meaningless work?

 

 

 

What about mining? What about woodcutting? smithing? fishing? all the non-combat skills?

 

 

 

Taking this more "world-wide", we have people botting at popular training spots, and people botting for money. Many people complain that their money has been taken away by bots, but have you thought that the bots are actually doing the repeating job for you, and while doing something you enjoy, you can simply buy the resources they have gathered at a cheaper rate. Jagex mentioned the "law of demand and supply" on their knowledge base, so I will use it here too. The very same law states that as supply goes down, the demand stays the same, then the price will go down. This means that bots are indeed bringing down the prices of raw materials. Some of you may argue that this is only an excuse for people to use bots, but in actual fact, they, the botters, are botting for you, rather than against you. I have no idea why a player would vote against for botting while everything is for their benefit.

 

 

 

You might also argue that bots decrease your speed at leveling resource gathering skills, but if you have indefinite amount of resources available, will you ever consider touching those skills? Obviously no. The most outstanding examples are the most common skill capes: Fletching, Cooking and Firemaking. And if you look up most of those cape wearers on hiscores, 99% of them don't have the co-responding skill gathering skill, I.E. a cooking cape wearer in 99% cases won't have fishing cape and a fletching cape wearer 99% of the time don't have a woodcutting cape. Think about it, hasn't bots benefitted us all? If you are one of them wearing a firemaking cape at level 70s, then you should really consider this well. Would it be that easy for you if there is no bots?

 

 

 

"Runescape is created for humans to play, not bots" a Jagex mod once said that (or something similar, I forgot the exact words). In this quote, I would like to emphasis the word "human". We are humans, but what Jagex is doing is not moral. Jagex used the greed nature of humans and abuses it. It created a world that trapped people's minds in, and they think they can do whatever they want to with those people. We are humans, and our intellectual capabilities enabled us to do things far more than repeatitive clicking. If bots are not allowed, then are we not becoming bots ourselves?

 

 

 

And, Jagex created means to prevent us from not using such bots. Random events are just a waste of resources and Rule 7 is pure garbage. Basically Jagex restricted the use of bots and forced players to do repeatitive things themselves. Now may I ask: Who, or what else, did similar things that an autocrat power controlled its people's thoughts and actions? the Soviet communists? the Nazi? African slavery societies? many examples across the worlds are like exactly what Jagex is doing, and they have been taken down. I wonder when would Jagex notice this fact and begin to think an inner change of the game before it develops further.

 

 

 

You might say that those who commit themselves in runescape are willing to do so. I disagree to that. Notice that I stated earlier, Jagex used the greed nature of humans and abused it. Think of the majority of people who are playing Runescape. More people under the age of 18 are playing Runescape than any other age range. Young people usually can't get themselves out of that addiction, and it is this point that Jagex is using. What else abused human greed? Religions wise, Satan did. So did Jagex.

 

 

 

The only way to solve the bot problem is to find its core problem rather than peeling skin. And the real problem of botting comes from Jagex itself. Those are my opinions.

Bots are bad

 

 

 

they are only postive for the person using them, in the long run, its breaking the rules in (usually) numerous ways and they mess up the economy imo

 

 

 

(p.s i love the dramazition in the post above comparing jagex to some of the worst dictatorship that have ever existed and satan, the root of all evil no less, lol)

GOOD PART OF BOTS

 

there is only two good things about bots which are:

 

- The people who own bots get more stuff so that they can sell it and make money (Thats if you own which most of us don't).

 

- When buyin stuff it is much cheaper because bots have brung the price down.

 

 

 

There are no positive effects that come from bots. The only people who own bots are gold farmers (rwt). Thus, there are no 'good' traits of bots.

 

 

 

 

 

There is nothing good about bots.

 

 

 

Even if there was a price drop due to bots, the cost has to be paid later by:

 

 

 

* Loss of friends (who quite because bots undermined their game-play)

 

 

 

 

You have controdicted yourself.

 

 

 

Price drops are good yet you say friends would leave due to loss of gameplay.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In all honesty, if these bots were normal, decent players everyone would love them. They give more to Runescape than they take, they allowed you to actualy MAKE money via fletching. Now the tides have turned. Skills such as fletching and Runescrafting are at a GREAT loss where as all gathering skills (hunter, fishing, wc etc) have improved vastly.

 

 

 

In all honesty what bots gave to honest players was great, what they did after they got their cash was dreadful. Removal of bots was not a good thing, it had to be done due to banks supposidly rejecting payments for Runescape as they didnt want to be associated with all the bad bots. What I fail to belive is that was the entire reason why they removed rwt. World of Warcraft is the game that is most laiden with Rwt, yet its still running - banks "block" Blizzard out.

 

 

 

What I am tryin to get to is, Jagex needed a small reason to make a HUGE fuss out of Rwt. Maybe one bank threatened to stop allowing customers to buy membership but then, why would a bank do that. The bank would just lose customers and, what they really want, money.

 

 

 

Jagex have made a mountain out of a mole hill and now everyone, not just the people involved, has payed the price.

 

 

 

 

 

Evil Pig20

Bots are bad. Sure they lowered the price for raw materials, which allowed many people to train efficiently. But that had an impact on players who made their money from gathering as well. Now that they're (for the most part) gone, it's us gatherers who have the advantage by selling our resources at a higher price and the skillers who are at a loss because it costs them dearly.

 

 

 

The removal of bots was a wonderful thing, and it returned Runescape to the way it was meant to be played: without cheating. Now everything is fair, you need to either pay for other peoples labor (which is more expensive), not a computers labor (which is less expensive), or gather the materials yourself.

BOTS are no good! :evil:

bots are bad they destroied the economy. what needs to happen now is pure and reg ess need to become one again.

I have to go with bad, aru (not that that was unexpected)

 

They just cause to many problems for the rest of us.

This is a stupid thread, you want to know why?

 

 

 

Because it depends who you are on how biased you are.

 

 

 

Ex: Im a pro pker, Bots are good because cheaper sharks.

 

 

 

Ex: Im a skiller, Bots are bad because they makde my sharks give me less money.

 

 

 

See, pointless thread?

here is the sad part of runescape, bots are the major reason that prices are where they are. Take for example the American economy, it's nearly 1/5 of the gdp of the world's gdp. America's economy is currently heavily based on manufacturing and farming sectors. Why you might ask is America's economy in two traditionally labor-intensive tasks? I'll tell you why. Americans used slaves to do all the hard work. Now rs bots can be considered slaves. What rs bots do is make the prices go down in the long run for everything on runescape. In fact my buddy who makes macros is telling me he's thinking of making a macro that will fletch bolts and sell them at minimum price. This will bring down the price of bolts and in the long run help keep inflation down in runescape. When prices are stable on key items inflation is at a little to no increase when there was lots of bots. Now, what we are facing is massive inflation, law prices have gone up, nats have gone down and pure essence has gone up among other things. Yews have also gone up. Assuming one started at flat level 70 fletching at old prices of 300 a yew log and 200 a bow string it would cost this player aprox. 24,593,700 in yews and 16,395,800 in bow strings for a combined total of 40,989,500. Lets also assume that this player will buy pure essence @ 100 ea and rc the nats. that will cost him 8,197,900 for the essence which he will rc. Now, alching price for yew longs in 768 ea. this will bring said player 62,959,872. a profit of over 12 million gold. Now, at current market prices you'd be lucky to occur a loss of 12million gold or so. and that is why i think bots are good for the long term health of the runescape economy.

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here is the sad part of runescape, bots are the major reason that prices are where they are. Take for example the American economy, it's nearly 1/5 of the gdp of the world's gdp. America's economy is currently heavily based on manufacturing and farming sectors. Why you might ask is America's economy in two traditionally labor-intensive tasks? I'll tell you why. Americans used slaves to do all the hard work. Now rs bots can be considered slaves. What rs bots do is make the prices go down in the long run for everything on runescape. In fact my buddy who makes macros is telling me he's thinking of making a macro that will fletch bolts and sell them at minimum price. This will bring down the price of bolts and in the long run help keep inflation down in runescape. When prices are stable on key items inflation is at a little to no increase when there was lots of bots. Now, what we are facing is massive inflation, law prices have gone up, nats have gone down and pure essence has gone up among other things. Yews have also gone up. Assuming one started at flat level 70 fletching at old prices of 300 a yew log and 200 a bow string it would cost this player aprox. 24,593,700 in yews and 16,395,800 in bow strings for a combined total of 40,989,500. Lets also assume that this player will buy pure essence @ 100 ea and rc the nats. that will cost him 8,197,900 for the essence which he will rc. Now, alching price for yew longs in 768 ea. this will bring said player 62,959,872. a profit of over 12 million gold. Now, at current market prices you'd be lucky to occur a loss of 12million gold or so. and that is why i think bots are good for the long term health of the runescape economy.

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I disagree with you thinking them good. While they did keep the prices down, it was totally unnatural. Bots were never meant to be a part of this game (cause, you know, it's cheating). And therefor the prices of any products that they've touched could be called unnatural too.

 

Here we are, in an economy with little to no bots anymore, and *gasp!* people now have to work more for they're products, be that more money they need or the raw materials they've decided to gather. It's a little inflated, yes, but I still see it as how the economy was supposed to look like. And I'm sure the prices will settle down eventually.

 

 

 

Bots were bad.

 

Honest players are good.

 

What more needs there to be? We all simply need to double our efforts to raise the money we need for whatever skills we want. A 99 was never meant to be easy.