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[Saru Inc]

[hide=Very long list of contradictions]1. God is satisfied with his works

 

Gen 1:31

 

God is dissatisfied with his works.

 

Gen 6:6

 

2. God dwells in chosen temples

 

2 Chron 7:12,16

 

God dwells not in temples

 

Acts 7:48

 

3. God dwells in light

 

Tim 6:16

 

God dwells in darkness

 

1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2

 

4. God is seen and heard

 

Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/

 

Ex 24:9-11

 

God is invisible and cannot be heard

 

John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16

 

5. God is tired and rests

 

Ex 31:17

 

God is never tired and never rests

 

Is 40:28

 

6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things

 

Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21

 

God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all

 

things

 

Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8

 

7. God knows the hearts of men

 

Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3

 

God tries men to find out what is in their heart

 

Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12

 

8. God is all powerful

 

Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26

 

God is not all powerful

 

Judg 1:19

 

9. God is unchangeable

 

James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19

 

God is changeable

 

Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings 20:1,4,5,6/

 

Ex 33:1,3,17,14

 

10. God is just and impartial

 

Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25

 

God is unjust and partial

 

Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12

 

11. God is the author of evil

 

Lam 3:38/ Jer 18:11/ Is 45:7/ Amos 3:6/ Ezek 20:25

 

God is not the author of evil

 

1 Cor 14:33/ Deut 32:4/ James 1:13

 

12. God gives freely to those who ask

 

James 1:5/ Luke 11:10

 

God withholds his blessings and prevents men from receiving

 

them

 

John 12:40/ Josh 11:20/ Is 63:17

 

13. God is to be found by those who seek him

 

Matt 7:8/ Prov 8:17

 

God is not to be found by those who seek him

 

Prov 1:28

 

14. God is warlike

 

Ex 15:3/ Is 51:15

 

God is peaceful

 

Rom 15:33/ 1 Cor 14:33

 

15. God is cruel, unmerciful, destructive, and ferocious

 

Jer 13:14/ Deut 7:16/ 1 Sam 15:2,3/ 1 Sam 6:19

 

God is kind, merciful, and good

 

James 5:11/ Lam 3:33/ 1 Chron 16:34/ Ezek 18:32/ Ps 145:9/

 

1 Tim 2:4/ 1 John 4:16/ Ps 25:8

 

16. God's anger is fierce and endures long

 

Num 32:13/ Num 25:4/ Jer 17:4

 

God's anger is slow and endures but for a minute

 

Ps 103:8/ Ps 30:5

 

17. God commands, approves of, and delights in burnt offerings,

 

sacrifices ,and holy days

 

Ex 29:36/ Lev 23:27/ Ex 29:18/ Lev 1:9

 

God disapproves of and has no pleasure in burnt offerings,

 

sacrifices, and holy days.

 

Jer 7:22/ Jer 6:20/ Ps 50:13,4/ Is 1:13,11,12

 

18. God accepts human sacrifices

 

2 Sam 21:8,9,14/ Gen 22:2/ Judg 11:30-32,34,38,39

 

God forbids human sacrifice

 

Deut 12:30,31

 

19. God tempts men

 

Gen 22:1/ 2 Sam 24:1/ Jer 20:7/ Matt 6:13

 

God tempts no man

 

James 1:13

 

20. God cannot lie

 

Heb 6:18

 

God lies by proxy; he sends forth lying spirits to deceive

 

2 Thes 2:11/ 1 Kings 22:23/ Ezek 14:9

 

21. Because of man's wickedness God destroys him

 

Gen 6:5,7

 

Because of man's wickedness God will not destroy him

 

Gen 8:21

 

22. God's attributes are revealed in his works.

 

Rom 1:20

 

God's attributes cannot be discovered

 

Job 11:7/ Is 40:28

 

23. There is but one God

 

Deut 6:4

 

There is a plurality of gods

 

Gen 1:26/ Gen 3:22/ Gen 18:1-3/ 1 John 5:7

 

 

 

 

 

Moral Precepts

 

 

 

24. Robbery commanded

 

Ex 3:21,22/ Ex 12:35,36

 

Robbery forbidden

 

Lev 19:13/ Ex 20:15

 

25. Lying approved and sanctioned

 

Josh 2:4-6/ James 2:25/ Ex 1:18-20/ 1 Kings 22:21,22

 

Lying forbidden

 

Ex 20:16/ Prov 12:22/ Rev 21:8

 

26. Hatred to the Edomite sanctioned

 

2 Kings 14:7,3

 

Hatred to the Edomite forbidden

 

Deut 23:7

 

27. Killing commanded

 

Ex 32:27

 

Killing forbidden

 

Ex 20:13

 

28. The blood-shedder must die

 

Gen 9:5,6

 

The blood-shedder must not die

 

Gen 4:15

 

29. The making of images forbidden

 

Ex 20:4

 

The making of images commanded

 

Ex 25:18,20

 

30. Slavery and oppression ordained

 

Gen 9:25/ Lev 25:45,46/ Joel 3:8

 

Slavery and oppression forbidden

 

Is 58:6/ Ex 22:21/ Ex 21:16/ Matt 23:10

 

31. Improvidence enjoyed

 

Matt 6:28,31,34/ Luke 6:30,35/ Luke 12:3

 

Improvidence condemned

 

1 Tim 5:8/ Prov 13:22

 

32. Anger approved

 

Eph 4:26

 

Anger disapproved

 

Eccl 7:9/ Prov 22:24/ James 1:20

 

33. Good works to be seen of men

 

Matt 5:16

 

Good works not to be seen of men

 

Matt 6:1

 

34. Judging of others forbidden

 

Matt 7:1,2

 

Judging of others approved

 

1 Cor 6:2-4/ 1 Cor 5:12

 

35. Christ taught non-resistance

 

Matt 5:39/ Matt 26:52

 

Christ taught and practiced physical resistance

 

Luke 22:36/ John 2:15

 

36. Christ warned his followers not to fear being killed

 

Luke 12:4

 

Christ himself avoided the Jews for fear of being killed

 

John 7:1

 

37. Public prayer sanctioned

 

1 Kings 8:22,54, 9:3

 

Public prayer disapproved

 

Matt 6:5,6

 

38. Importunity in prayer commended

 

Luke 18:5,7

 

Importunity in prayer condemned

 

Matt 6:7,8

 

39. The wearing of long hair by men sanctioned

 

Judg 13:5/ Num 6:5

 

The wearing of long hair by men condemned

 

1 Cor 11:14

 

40. Circumcision instituted

 

Gen 17:10

 

Circumcision condemned

 

Gal 5:2

 

41. The Sabbath instituted

 

Ex 20:8

 

The Sabbath repudiated

 

Is 1:13/ Rom 14:5/ Col 2:16

 

42. The Sabbath instituted because God rested on the seventh day

 

Ex 20:11

 

The Sabbath instituted because God brought the Israelites

 

out of Egypt

 

Deut 5:15

 

43. No work to be done on the Sabbath under penalty of death

 

Ex 31:15/ Num 15:32,36

 

Jesus Christ broke the Sabbath and justified his disciples in

 

the same

 

John 5:16/ Matt 12:1-3,5

 

44. Baptism commanded

 

Matt 28:19

 

Baptism not commanded

 

1 Cor 1:17,14

 

45. Every kind of animal allowed for food.

 

Gen 9:3/ 1 Cor 10:25/ Rom 14:14

 

Certain kinds of animals prohibited for food.

 

Deut 14:7,8

 

46. Taking of oaths sanctioned

 

Num 30:2/ Gen 21:23-24,31/ Gen 31:53/ Heb 6:13

 

Taking of oaths forbidden

 

Matt 5:34

 

47. Marriage approved

 

Gen 2:18/ Gen 1:28/ Matt 19:5/ Heb 13:4

 

Marriage disapproved

 

1 Cor 7:1/ 1 Cor 7:7,8

 

48. Freedom of divorce permitted

 

Deut 24:1/ Deut 21:10,11,14

 

Divorce restricted

 

Matt 5:32

 

49. Adultery forbidden

 

Ex 20:14/ Heb 13:4

 

Adultery allowed

 

Num 31:18/ Hos 1:2; 2:1-3

 

50. Marriage or cohabitation with a sister denounced

 

Deut 27:22/ Lev 20:17

 

Abraham married his sister and God blessed the union

 

Gen 20:11,12/ Gen 17:16

 

51. A man may marry his brother's widow

 

Deut 25:5

 

A man may not marry his brother's widow

 

Lev 20:21

 

52. Hatred to kindred enjoined

 

Luke 14:26

 

Hatred to kindred condemned

 

Eph 6:2/ Eph 5:25,29

 

53. Intoxicating beverages recommended

 

Prov 31:6,7/ 1 Tim 5:23/ Ps 104:15

 

Intoxicating beverages discountenanced

 

Prov 20:1/ Prov 23:31,32

 

54. It is our duty to obey our rulers, who are God's ministers

 

and punish evil doers only

 

Rom 13:1-3,6

 

It is not our duty to obey rulers, who sometimes punish the

 

good and receive unto themselves damnation therefor

 

Ex 1:17,20/ Dan 3:16,18/ Dan 6:9,7,10/ Acts 4:26,27/

 

Mark 12:38,39,40/ Luke 23:11,24,33,35

 

55. Women's rights denied

 

Gen 3:16/ 1 Tim 2:12/ 1 Cor 14:34/ 1 Pet 3:6

 

Women's rights affirmed

 

Judg 4:4,14,15/ Judg 5:7/ Acts 2:18/ Acts 21:9

 

56. Obedience to masters enjoined

 

Col 3:22,23/ 1 Pet 2:18

 

Obedience due to God only

 

Matt 4:10/ 1 Cor 7:23/ Matt 23:10

 

57. There is an unpardonable sin

 

Mark 3:29

 

There is not unpardonable sin

 

Acts 13:39[/hide]

 

 

 

You never chanced you mind or position on anything before?

 

 

 

First off, let me say this: Epic job Flying Jj, those were some of the best posts, things I believe in, but never even thought about it.

 

 

 

 

 

Second: Tryto, you took those out of context. Thats like when Jesus said that drinking red wine is good for the stomach occasionally, you take it as he supports drunkeness. Of course not.

[Lenticular_J]

Could you specify which Christian sect you are referring to, please? It would really seem less ignorant.

 

 

 

Me, or someone else?

 

 

 

Pretty sure she meant the person who posted just before.

 

Someone posted something that generalized all Christian beliefs as the same, I was asking them to specify. Unfortunately, around twenty people posted and I never noticed. So now I guess I'll just declare it to be general, whenever someone asks about "Christian beliefs in particular".

 

 

 

And I'm a dude :'(

[J a m e s]

Saru, are you going to continue making a point, having Tryto effectively debunk it, then ignore his response?

 

 

 

Sorry poster above - your avatar made me assume.

 

 

 

You're obviously not getting it. And also, it's ytour fault if you don't believe in him. It's not that hard, you don't have to be rich or anything, also, if you're an Atheist, how can it hurt? I mean, if there is a God, then you're safe, but if there isn't...

 

 

 

Howlin, give me a break. The kid doesn't understand that, the kid only knows human adults are very heavy, even heavier than glass plates. James, you don't get it either. Why do I even bother.

 

 

 

I don't know why you even bother because you're a bloody genius and everyone else is a dumbass! :roll:

[Lenticular_J]

But it's Simba...The epitome of Man...

 

 

 

Anyways, I don't get why people bother debating over nuances of religious text.

[J a m e s]

But it's Simba...The epitome of Man...

 

 

 

Anyways, I don't get why people bother debating over nuances of religious text.

 

 

 

I don't understand it either. The Bible may or may not contradict iself; matter it does not. What baffles me is how someone can take such an elaborate work of mind control over society seriously when it contradicts the only "religion" worth believing in: science. Unlike religion, science changes every day. If there was undeniable proof that God existed, science would not deny it. If there was undeiable proof that God didn't exist, religion would deny it.

[Flyingjj]

But it's Simba...The epitome of Man...

 

 

 

Anyways, I don't get why people bother debating over nuances of religious text.

 

 

 

I don't understand it either. The Bible may or may not contradict iself; matter it does not. What baffles me is how someone can take such an elaborate work of mind control over society seriously when it contradicts the only "religion" worth believing in: science. Unlike religion, science changes every day. If there was undeniable proof that God existed, science would not deny it. If there was undeiable proof that God didn't exist, religion would deny it.

 

What bothers me is how closed minded you can be. I think no differently of you for choosing to be Atheist, but I do think differently about you for seeming as if religion is the worst thing that ever happened to society. Now, debates can be made about the effects religion has had on the world, but I take offense why someone starts calling me stupid. Why do I believe in religion when there is the "Almighty Science" to believe in? Because science does not do it for me. It "proves" nothing. All it "proves" is that things operate this way. It tells me no why, which is what I truly desire to know. Why are things this way? Why are people the way they are? Why are we here? Science does not answer these questions, and I doubt will ever be able to. That is why I continue to persist in my "delusion" of religion. It gives my life purpose, meaning, a sense of understanding. I say often enough that if I did not believe what I do, I would have killed myself and probably others a long time ago because of the desparity of it all. Life would seem so pointless without something to believe in.

 

 

 

Let me ask you a few questions, ones that I would like to know. What do you think about when you think about death? Do you dwell on the fact that your life means nothing, that you've contributed nothing to this world that is significant in any way? How about the idea that the world would be no different if you had never been born? Are you afraid of death?

 

 

 

My beliefs allow me to believe that my life and the life of everyone has a purpose. They also let me sleep peacefully, never afraid of dying. If nothing else, I am content to continue in my delusion of religion because it provides me comfort that science never will, allows me to never fear death.

 

 

 

You can question religion all you want, but please do not insult me or call me crazy for believing what I do. Respect me as a human being, if you please.

[J a m e s]

But it's Simba...The epitome of Man...

 

 

 

Anyways, I don't get why people bother debating over nuances of religious text.

 

 

 

I don't understand it either. The Bible may or may not contradict iself; matter it does not. What baffles me is how someone can take such an elaborate work of mind control over society seriously when it contradicts the only "religion" worth believing in: science. Unlike religion, science changes every day. If there was undeniable proof that God existed, science would not deny it. If there was undeiable proof that God didn't exist, religion would deny it.

 

What bothers me is how closed minded you can be. I think no differently of you for choosing to be Atheist, but I do think differently about you for seeming as if religion is the worst thing that ever happened to society. Now, debates can be made about the effects religion has had on the world, but I take offense why someone starts calling me stupid. Why do I believe in religion when there is the "Almighty Science" to believe in? Because science does not do it for me. It "proves" nothing. All it "proves" is that things operate this way. It tells me no why, which is what I truly desire to know. Why are things this way? Why are people the way they are? Why are we here? Science does not answer these questions, and I doubt will ever be able to. That is why I continue to persist in my "delusion" of religion. It gives my life purpose, meaning, a sense of understanding. I say often enough that if I did not believe what I do, I would have killed myself and probably others a long time ago because of the desparity of it all. Life would seem so pointless without something to believe in.

 

 

 

Let me ask you a few questions, ones that I would like to know. What do you think about when you think about death? Do you dwell on the fact that your life means nothing, that you've contributed nothing to this world that is significant in any way? How about the idea that the world would be no different if you had never been born? Are you afraid of death?

 

 

 

My beliefs allow me to believe that my life and the life of everyone has a purpose. They also let me sleep peacefully, never afraid of dying. If nothing else, I am content to continue in my delusion of religion because it provides me comfort that science never will, allows me to never fear death.

 

 

 

You can question religion all you want, but please do not insult me or call me crazy for believing what I do. Respect me as a human being, if you please.

 

 

 

I'm not scared of dying. Life is pointless if you want to look at it that way. The only objective in any organism's life is to survive and reproduce as much as possible. I'm sorry that you would commit suicide if you were me, but I quite enjoy my life without some absurd obligation to a being that may or may not exist. God may have created me, but what do I care? I would never worship such a cruel God as the ones of the major monotheistic religions today.

 

 

 

I enjoy life and I accept the fact that when I die there is nothing more. If anything, that makes me less likely to commit suicide. I live my life to the fullest here and now. If religion makes you feel secure then so be it. If the dream of everlasting life seems realistic to you then so be it.

 

 

 

Oh, and please stop pulling words out of my mouth. I never called you or anyone else stupid. You are as equally intelligent as anyone else. In my eyes, some people are capable of handling the universe as it really is and others need the delusion. I understand that and have experienced it first-hand.

 

 

 

I bolded a couple questions in your quote because science does answer those questions. Very clearly, in fact.

 

 

 

P.S. I actually do believe religion is one of the worst things to happen to society, but that's a more personal thing and not really worth discussing.

[Utopianflame]

What bothers me is how closed minded you can be.

 

 

 

This works both ways, regardless of the position they choose.

 

 

 

It tells me no why, which is what I truly desire to know. Why are things this way? Why are people the way they are?

 

 

 

That depends on the branch of science in question, certainly phsyics is never going to tell you why the charge on an electron is what is, if only because the supposition that everything needs a why requires a reasoning creator, who in turn needs a creator and so ad infinintum. On the other hand biology does a pretty good job of answering the others, we ended up the way we are because it was advantageous of our ancestors to be this way. Traits that providided an edge in competitive society survived and those with them prospered. Those that crippled the one with them generally died out.

 

 

 

Why are we here?

 

 

 

I guess I would say that lifes only purpose is life itself.

 

 

 

I say often enough that if I did not believe what I do, I would have killed myself and probably others a long time ago because of the desparity of it all. Life would seem so pointless without something to believe in.

 

 

 

The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one.

 

~ George Bernard Shaw

 

 

 

I'm sorry that you find reality so overwhelming that you could not cope with it without a cushion to protect you from it.

 

 

 

Are you afraid of death?

 

 

 

All things come to an end, I see no reason to fear the inevitable and hence I am not afraid of death. In fact given the choice between mortality and eternal life I would take mortality, the idea of being conscious for eternity is not exactly an appealing one for me.

[J a m e s]

All things come to an end, I see no reason to fear the inevitable and hence I am not afraid of death. In fact given the choice between mortality and eternal life I would take mortality, the idea of being conscious for eternity is not exactly an appealing one for me.

 

 

 

I would venture to say that living forever would be the ultimate torture.

 

 

 

If there is no sin in heaven, does that mean we lose our free will? We can't do any wrong there; do we become slaves of God?

[tryto]

All things come to an end, I see no reason to fear the inevitable and hence I am not afraid of death. In fact given the choice between mortality and eternal life I would take mortality, the idea of being conscious for eternity is not exactly an appealing one for me.

 

 

 

I would venture to say that living forever would be the ultimate torture.

 

 

 

If there is no sin in heaven, does that mean we lose our free will? We can't do any wrong there; do we become slaves of God?

 

 

 

Yes we do, but it doesn't stop us from gathering up one-third of the angels and starting a revolution :lol:

 

 

 

You two(flyingjj and saruman), answer the rest of my post please so I can see if it's worth discussing the topic with you any longer. Do you literally believe that the Earth is circa 10,000 years old?

 

 

 

Even if you disagree with what Jesus is saying there, the complete context complements itself, not contradicts.

 

And that was just for starters. I have neither the time nor energy to debate each one, but I wanted to point out that that is a completely biased list and should not be taken as fact by anyone who might be persuaded by it.

 

 

 

 

 

Of course it's biased. Everyone should actually read the Bible for themselves, critically analyzing it, and admitting to themselves that it WAS written by men. If, afterwards, you find yourself stronger in your religion, great. But if not, then you should continue to question. Don't bring your pre-mediated ideas in with you; read it as if you were reading an ancient manuscript written by bronze age herdsman( :P ) Did you know that more atheists/agnostics have read the bible than Christians?

 

 

 

Just in the same way you can take parts of the bible to be literal and parts to be figurative. Just in the way you say you worship the entire book and yet are not Jewish. I'm assuming that you eat pork, shellfish, and wear polyester, all in direct defiance of Deuteronomy? (I apologize if you don't :P )

[tennisnick12]

So many of sciences answers to how people came about and how the world came about are purely theoretical. I'm not even saying science is wrong, but this is an area where even people who believe in science are actually expressing some faith. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm 99% sure that Evolution is still a theory and all of the thoughts on the formation and start of the earth are still theories. So you might believe in what science has to say, but their are no hard facts on these subjects.

[tryto]

So many of sciences answers to how people came about and how the world came about are purely theoretical. I'm not even saying science is wrong, but this is an area where even people who believe in science are actually expressing some faith. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm 99% sure that Evolution is still a theory and all of the thoughts on the formation and start of the earth are still theories. So you might believe in what science has to say, but their are no hard facts on these subjects.

 

 

 

 

 

Your problem is that you don't know what the scientific definition of "theory". In science, a theory is not a "guess". It is a model that has been proven correct many, many times, and has never been shown to be incorrect. Guess what else is a theory? The Theory of Gravity. The Theory of Electro-magnetism is a theory, but it's powering your computer right now.

 

Come on. Evolution is such an easy theory to disprove. Just find a human bone as we are now dated at the wrong time. It's so easy. Too bad it won't happen ;)

 

 

 

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evolution-fact.html

 

^Essay on the differences on the word theory in public and scientific vernaculars.

 

 

 

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... opic_id=46

 

^General evolutionary proofs.

[tennisnick12]

Tryto you are completely right on my misuse of the word theory. Since you seem like a very knowledgeable person I will pose a few questions for you. Why are their no noticeable humans/apes that are still in the stage of evolution? Because I believe in natural adaptation, but I just think that their would be more noticeable evidence of evolution.

[Beaumonde]

Why are their no noticeable humans/apes that are still in the stage of evolution?

 

 

 

Evolution isn't one stage of change, evolution is a constant and the human race even continues to evolve, we've become taller and unfortunately more susceptible to disease as we've evolved for the modern world.

[Saru Inc]

Saru, are you going to continue making a point, having Tryto effectively debunk it, then ignore his response?

 

 

 

Sorry poster above - your avatar made me assume.

 

 

 

You're obviously not getting it. And also, it's ytour fault if you don't believe in him. It's not that hard, you don't have to be rich or anything, also, if you're an Atheist, how can it hurt? I mean, if there is a God, then you're safe, but if there isn't...

 

 

 

Howlin, give me a break. The kid doesn't understand that, the kid only knows human adults are very heavy, even heavier than glass plates. James, you don't get it either. Why do I even bother.

 

 

 

I don't know why you even bother because you're a bloody genius and everyone else is a dumbass! :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

First off: I apologize if I came off a bit harsh, but so do you, you're sarcasm isn't appreciated one iota.

 

 

 

Second, while I'm quite sure Tryto is intelligent and such, he failed to convince me, is that a crime? Of course not. Just like if I try to convince an Atheist, and they're not, I don't get mad at them.

 

 

 

Also, what I meant about the quote is stop arguing about semantics. Sure, we all know eventually humans will sink and such, but it's about the idea. Like the parable of the sower, some could say ' who the heck would throw seeds at stony ground, what an idiot!' But the whole thing was an idea, symbolism, the stony ground represented people who couldn't be swayed, and it was wasting time, such like it was wasting seeds. It's about the idea, not the ramifications. The idea is, that he tested the scientific method to his knowledge at the time.

 

 

 

Ask a Question

 

Do Background Research

 

Construct a Hypothesis

 

Test Your Hypothesis by Doing an Experiment

 

Analyze Your Data and Draw a Conclusion

 

Communicate Your Results

 

 

 

He asked a question 'how can humans float?'

 

He tested it: with plates, they didn't float.

 

He constructed a hypothesis: Humans can't float.

 

HE tested it, multiple times with several different objects.

 

He analyzed his data, and he came to the conclusion: EVERYTHING sinks, NOTHING floats. (Much like ALL science is correct and NO religions are rational or logical.)

 

And he told his mom the results heck, he labeled it 'The Theory of FLoating." Like Tryto says to his knowledge, it has never ever ever been proven incorrect. And has been proven correct many times.

 

 

 

Now, the whole idea, is that the child is humanity at the moment, we have things that have never ever been proven incorrect, but that doesn't mean they're not wrong.

 

And Lord of Frah, we've become shorter. There used to be 'giants.' That atheistic scientists discovered near Mount Arafat I think.

[tennisnick12]

Why are their no noticeable humans/apes that are still in the stage of evolution?

 

 

 

Evolution isn't one stage of change, evolution is a constant and the human race even continues to evolve, we've become taller and unfortunately more susceptible to disease as we've evolved for the modern world.

 

I see what your trying to say, but you still fail to answer the questions how no humans have fallen far enough behind to see noticeable differences in them. And as to were getting taller I understand that and I would include that under natural adaptation.

[tryto]

Why are their no noticeable humans/apes that are still in the stage of evolution?

 

 

 

Evolution isn't one stage of change, evolution is a constant and the human race even continues to evolve, we've become taller and unfortunately more susceptible to disease as we've evolved for the modern world.

 

 

 

Not sure about the taller thing, but yes, more susceptible to disaease. Allergies in particular are a great example. Remember that evolution takes thousands of years plus, so a noticeable physical change could take a very long period of time. Vestigal organs{like muscles attached to the ear(they do not develop enough to be of use as in other primates), and the tailbone }and dormant DNA is yet another example; some instances of these have been nearly eradicated, but some humans can actually grow tails, albeit it's very rare. Toes are some of the more recent physical changes in humans.

 

 

 

Saruman, answer the question. Do you believe the earth is circa 10,000 years old.

[Obtaurian]

Why are their no noticeable humans/apes that are still in the stage of evolution?

 

 

 

Evolution isn't one stage of change, evolution is a constant and the human race even continues to evolve, we've become taller and unfortunately more susceptible to disease as we've evolved for the modern world.

 

I see what your trying to say, but you still fail to answer the questions how no humans have fallen far enough behind to see noticeable differences in them. And as to were getting taller I understand that and I would include that under natural adaptation.

 

 

 

Humans have not been around long enough to evolve in an extreme way. We've gotten taller, perhaps more intelligent, definitely more susceptible to disease, but those aren't relatively drastic changes. You're not going to see a human with wings or an extra set of arms for a few million years.

 

 

 

Assuming we need wings . . . but you get my point.

[tintin113]

Why are their no noticeable humans/apes that are still in the stage of evolution?

 

 

 

Evolution isn't one stage of change, evolution is a constant and the human race even continues to evolve, we've become taller and unfortunately more susceptible to disease as we've evolved for the modern world.

 

 

 

Not sure about the taller thing, but yes, more susceptible to disaease. Allergies in particular are a great example. Remember that evolution takes thousands of years plus, so a noticeable physical change could take a very long period of time. Vestigal organs and dormant DNA is yet another example; some instances of these have been nearly eradicated, but some humans can actually grow tails, albeit it's very rare. Toes are some of the more recent physical changes in humans.

 

 

 

Saruman, answer the question. Do you believe the earth is circa 10,000 years old.

 

 

 

We have definitely become a lot taller, even in the last 500 years. If you look at neolithic skeletons they're are noticeably smaller, but as I said, even 500 years ago the average height was considerably smaller.

 

 

 

In my opinion evolution had been proven without a doubt, and I agree with most scientists in thinking that the Earth is hundreds of millions of years old. However, the only thing that can't really be proven right or wrong by anyone, for now at least, is how the Earth came about in the first place. Even if you beleive the Big Bang theory, what started the explosion, and how did the stuff get there to explode in the first place? I think that creating a God is just a way to stop people's brains exploding over such a question - the more I think about it the more impossible it seems to answer. There is no religion that says that there was a God who just put some energy in the Universe and then disappeared, but if there was that would be the one I would be most inclined to go along with. However I will remain atheist most likely for the rest of my life - whether it's due to my cynicism or realistic outlook.

 

 

 

A huge flaw in the "God" theory is this question: How did God get there? Is there a God for that God, and then a God for that one and so on and so on?

 

 

 

Saying that there is a God that did everything in impossibly miraculous ways is, in my opinion, just a way of sweeping away all the BIG questions in the world by giving them a simple answer that, although it sounds bizarre, can't be proven wrong. It could also well be just a way to control someone - claiming that you have links with the person that created the Universe back in the days when everyone beleive in a God without a flicker of doubt would put you in a very powerful position.

[Saru Inc]

Why are their no noticeable humans/apes that are still in the stage of evolution?

 

 

 

Evolution isn't one stage of change, evolution is a constant and the human race even continues to evolve, we've become taller and unfortunately more susceptible to disease as we've evolved for the modern world.

 

 

 

Not sure about the taller thing, but yes, more susceptible to disaease. Allergies in particular are a great example. Remember that evolution takes thousands of years plus, so a noticeable physical change could take a very long period of time. Vestigal organs{like muscles attached to the ear(they do not develop enough to be of use as in other primates), and the tailbone }and dormant DNA is yet another example; some instances of these have been nearly eradicated, but some humans can actually grow tails, albeit it's very rare. Toes are some of the more recent physical changes in humans.

 

 

 

Saruman, answer the question. Do you believe the earth is circa 10,000 years old.

 

 

 

First of all, answer my post. Second, what's the question? I was just commenting on how there were giants back then. I mean, if you mean time, then yes, I do.

[tintin113]

Why are their no noticeable humans/apes that are still in the stage of evolution?

 

 

 

Evolution isn't one stage of change, evolution is a constant and the human race even continues to evolve, we've become taller and unfortunately more susceptible to disease as we've evolved for the modern world.

 

 

 

Not sure about the taller thing, but yes, more susceptible to disaease. Allergies in particular are a great example. Remember that evolution takes thousands of years plus, so a noticeable physical change could take a very long period of time. Vestigal organs{like muscles attached to the ear(they do not develop enough to be of use as in other primates), and the tailbone }and dormant DNA is yet another example; some instances of these have been nearly eradicated, but some humans can actually grow tails, albeit it's very rare. Toes are some of the more recent physical changes in humans.

 

 

 

Saruman, answer the question. Do you believe the earth is circa 10,000 years old.

 

 

 

First of all, answer my post. Second, what's the question? I was just commenting on how there were giants back then. I mean, if you mean time, then yes, I do.

 

 

 

How can you just "beleive" something still when it has been proven wrong so many times?

[tryto]

It's called deism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism

 

 

 

I didn't want to comment upon tallness increases because I haven't researched it.

 

 

 

I have a much more negative view of religion than you also.

 

 

 

Due to the Law of Conservation of Energy, a single beginning point with the Big Bang is clearly impossible(Same with God). A constant cycle of Big Bangs and singularities makes the most sense to me right now. Think about it. Theists often argue that God started the Big Bang, or some hogwash like that, because we don't know for certain what started it. Just apply that concept to God. What created him? We should then be worshiping his creator, right? But who created the creator of us? It's infinite regression.

 

 

 

Saruman, I did a quick search and found nothing besides hoaxes of findings of Noah's Ark. Please point me to an essay or journal about it. (If that's what you mean, your last post wasn't even to me)

 

 

 

If you honestly believe in a young Earth, in face of complete agreement between all scientists of any repute, in the face of multiple styles of radio-carbon dating, in the face of calculations about the age of stars based upon distances and the speed of light, we simply cannot have an intelligent discussion.

[Sly_Wizard]

A huge flaw in the "God" theory is this question: How did God get there? Is there a God for that God, and then a God for that one and so on and so on?

 

 

 

The biggest flaw in this argument: Failing to recognize that almost every religion differentiates between the natural and the spiritual. God does not fall into the former category, but the latter. No one created God as God is not material. That is, he's non-corporeal.

[tintin113]

It's called deism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism

 

 

 

I didn't want to comment upon tallness increases because I haven't researched it.

 

 

 

I have a much more negative view of religion than you also.

 

 

 

Due to the Law of Conservation of Energy, a single beginning point with the Big Bang is clearly impossible(Same with God). A constant cycle of Big Bangs and singularities makes the most sense to me right now.

 

 

 

Saruman, I did a quick search and found nothing besides hoaxes of findings of Noah's Ark. Please point me to an essay or journal about it. (If that's what you mean, your last post wasn't even to me)

 

 

 

If you honestly believe in a young Earth, in face of complete agreement between all scientists of any repute, in the face of multiple styles of radio-carbon dating, in the face of calculations about the age of stars based upon distances and the speed of light, we simply cannot have an intelligent discussion.

 

 

 

Yeah I found Deism a while ago, but it doesn't really beleive in a God as such, more that we should just respect nature as the thing that sculpted us into what we are. I guess that could just mean that nature is God, and nature created the universe, but it doesn't tell you how, just that we should respect it now we have it which I agree with totally.

 

However, as Deism doesn't actually have a God, is it a religion or a faith?

 

 

 

 

 

And to Sly_Wizard, isn't saying that God is non-corporeal just a little convenient? It's just saying, that someone can put something somewhere and then just not "be" anymore. It is, again, trying to answer the BIG questions by putting in some abstract answer that, however hard you try, is impossible to prove right or wrong.

[tryto]

A huge flaw in the "God" theory is this question: How did God get there? Is there a God for that God, and then a God for that one and so on and so on?

 

 

 

The biggest flaw in this argument: Failing to recognize that almost every religion differentiates between the natural and the spiritual. God does not fall into the former category, but the latter. No one created God as God is not material. That is, he's non-corporeal.

 

 

 

I'd disagree fundamentally with that, but yes, it can be a weak argument. I don't use it, unless replying to someone.

 

 

 

Genesis 3:8: Then the man and the wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden...

 

 

 

He can be both material and immaterial, it seems :P.

 

 

 

 

 

EDIT: Deism, To Voltaire at least, believed that a creator put everything in motion, Big Bang and such, then skipped out and hid from us. It's basically a cop-out to avoid the creation question, I'd say.

 

 

 

EDIT2: God, is simply not falsifiable, which irks me, to say the least. :P