Why is everone being so sceptical about everything at the moment?

 

 

 

There just trying to stop RWT, not ruining the game for us. Give Jagex a break, geez.

Nice theory but its all speculation

 

 

 

speculation = assumption

 

 

 

I have a saying ''assumption is the mother of all [bleep] ups''

 

 

 

So stop speculationg and wait for the update

 

 

 

No wildy would change the game completly..... No more dangerous TT clues..... No more fear of pkers when RCing..... No threat to f2p rune miners

 

 

 

So it would be very stupid to get rid of the wildy.... Prices for many items would fall alot

Its incredible the amount of people who want to flame these threads. I am pretty sure this is a fan forum of runescape yes! This is a discussion and its not completely out the window that it is worthy of discussion imo. Too many threads about the same topic? Either the mods combine them or you create a more worthy discussion!

 

 

 

If it was 'wow they will remove runescape next' ok thats bull, but a topic like this is still valid. If you dont agree with it without flaming then dont post in it. What do the mods do anyway, those people who flame are considered trolls. Obviously the creater is only going to defend himself. I personally dont agree with all your speculation but I do agree something big will happen to stop rwt further and is going to happen sooner or later. This 'grave' thing is very suspicious considering the last few updates to stop rwt. ANYTHING with the mention of wild in it should be takin as suspicious considering the last few updates.

 

 

 

I think a total change in the way the wild works would help. All we get now is nubs fightin in lvl 3 wild or clan wars. Anything else and all I hear is people raising the point people abuse the system to get kills unfairly.

 

 

 

Maybe it would improve the wild if you didnt lose your items to attract people back. The minigames could compensate for this by still allowing people to loot items there. This couldnt actually improve the game! And no I am not a pker so I honestly dont care! I havnt even trained combat in 3 years lol. I just think imo the wild needs a massive change. These two new minigames will provide a place for both ex pkers and ex clan wars to go while the wild itself is completely redone to attract people back while stopping rwt.

 

 

 

Its like killing two birds with one stone and if jagex pull this off good for them! They just need to raise the staking cap higher too and many players FUN will not be completely removed from the game.

It's difficult to guess.... but sadly I think there is a degree of correctness in what you say.

 

 

 

I fully support Jagex in their plight against the real world trading operations, and I expect that other companies such as Blizzard are paying close attention to it's results, but I just hope Jagex do not fall even more into the trap of destroying the game play in the process.

 

 

 

The duel arena update, whilst understandable from one view point..... from the more obvious ones it was a large error.

 

 

 

It is possible that the two pvp minigames this week will appear very important to the old stakers, and soften the blow for them alot.... but they should have never destroyed such a valuable aspect of the game.

 

 

 

personalty for me.... as a non player killing player, who's in no clan, and does not intend in dieing, this months updates aren't all that appealing, but I am keeping a close eye on what they are doing, and how it will effect others..... I think this.... whilst not the best ... may turn out to be one of the most important months in relation to the future sucsess of the game from some player views.

Its incredible the amount of people who want to flame these threads. I am pretty sure this is a fan forum of runescape yes! This is a discussion and its not completely out the window that it is worthy of discussion imo. Too many threads about the same topic? Either the mods combine them or you create a more worthy discussion!

 

 

 

If it was 'wow they will remove runescape next' ok thats bull, but a topic like this is still valid. If you dont agree with it without flaming then dont post in it. What do the mods do anyway, those people who flame are considered trolls. Obviously the creater is only going to defend himself. I personally dont agree with all your speculation but I do agree something big will happen to stop rwt further and is going to happen sooner or later. This 'grave' thing is very suspicious considering the last few updates to stop rwt. ANYTHING with the mention of wild in it should be takin as suspicious considering the last few updates.

 

 

 

I think a total change in the way the wild works would help. All we get now is nubs fightin in lvl 3 wild or clan wars. Anything else and all I hear is people raising the point people abuse the system to get kills unfairly.

 

 

 

Maybe it would improve the wild if you didnt lose your items to attract people back. The minigames could compensate for this by still allowing people to loot items there. This couldnt actually improve the game! And no I am not a pker so I honestly dont care! I havnt even trained combat in 3 years lol. I just think imo the wild needs a massive change. These two new minigames will provide a place for both ex pkers and ex clan wars to go while the wild itself is completely redone to attract people back while stopping rwt.

 

 

 

Its like killing two birds with one stone and if jagex pull this off good for them! They just need to raise the staking cap higher too and many players FUN will not be completely removed from the game.

 

 

 

Thank the lord! someone in this forum knows what the words "general discussion" mean.

 

 

 

I do also agree that this could potentially be a good update, but it could also be a nad update. If, in this update, Jagex takes us into consideration as much as they are the bots, then I beleive it will be good.

Considering the wild is the only reason i play rs anymore.... yeah, hopefully this won't happen. But judging how asinine everyone's theories(including this one) are, it won't happen.

Could someone plz tell me what RWT stands for so i could join the topic :cry: ÃÆââ¬Å¡ÃâáÃÆââ¬Å¡ÃâáÃÆââ¬Å¡ÃâáÃÆââ¬Å¡ÃâáPLEASE!!!! :cry: :wall:

Considering the wild is the only reason i play rs anymore.... yeah, hopefully this won't happen. But judging how asinine everyone's theories(including this one) are, it won't happen.

 

 

 

Wait, so what you're stating, is that this will not happen BECAUSE of threads like these?

 

 

 

I think if jagex does thi though, they will try to make up for it with these minigames.

 

 

 

Could someone plz tell me what RWT stands for so i could join the topic ÃÆââ¬Å¡ÃâáÃÆââ¬Å¡ÃâáÃÆââ¬Å¡ÃâáÃÆââ¬Å¡ÃâáPLEASE!!!!

 

 

 

Real World Traders. aka people who sell runescape GP for real world $.

Considering the wild is the only reason i play rs anymore.... yeah, hopefully this won't happen. But judging how asinine everyone's theories(including this one) are, it won't happen.

 

 

 

Wait, so what you're stating, is that this will not happen BECAUSE of threads like these?

 

 

 

I think if jagex does thi though, they will try to make up for it with these minigames.

 

 

 

Could someone plz tell me what RWT stands for so i could join the topic ÃÆââ¬Å¡ÃâáÃÆââ¬Å¡ÃâáÃÆââ¬Å¡ÃâáÃÆââ¬Å¡ÃâáPLEASE!!!!

 

 

 

Real World Traders. aka people who sell runescape GP for real world $.

It said Mini-Game. It could mean that you can enter a volcano or something and you'll be able to start it. It doesn't mean that the whole Wilderness is like that. :wink:

 

 

 

And no, going up to a dangerous monster won't work too well. You have to wait about a minute for it to appear. If the player isn't very strong, they won't be able to pick up the cash before the monster kills them.

It said Mini-Game. It could mean that you can enter a volcano or something and you'll be able to start it. It doesn't mean that the whole Wilderness is like that. :wink:

 

 

 

...to begin with. But that's assumingly the goal.

A lot of people are speculating about this. We'll see.

 

 

 

I personally think the wilderness right now is such a disaster that it would be very difficult for Jagex to make it worse. Getting rid of the "death penalty" (losing items) would probably improve the wild substantially, drawing in many of the people who never go in now for fear of losing items. It would also get rid of PJers, looters and other people who have no business even being there.

 

 

 

Seems like a conflict of interest there. If Jagex got rid of the death penalty, the wilderness would just become another training ground for Player Killers.

 

 

 

It seems on one side of the coin that it would combat RWT effectively, but this is only one aspect of such, and not a very big one by comparison to Staking. Look what they did to staking. It was one of the main money making sources for melee playerkillers, and Jagex thought it would benefit

 

stakers because of cheating and RWT, but it was all a fruitless effort. You can only make 12k an hour now off staking, when compared to RuneCrafting, a rather tedious and mundane task, an experienced RC Crafter can make 1 mill+ an hour.

 

 

 

You already have the Level 50 spiders in Level 3 of the SOS, lots of them there to train on to get your combat stats up and whatnot. We should all know that if Jagex did get rid of the death penalty, it would actually demean the wilderness, not improve it substantially. Not every average Joe and Schmoe are going to go in there for mere EXP training, they do it for loots.

 

 

 

This would also defeat the prior purpose of the wilderness if Jagex got rid of the death penalty, since there are no 'laws' in the wilderness, and you should be prepared to lose your items. You are doing something that does not particular benefit anyone in particular if you remove the death penalty.

 

 

 

Remember that when you're going in the wilderness, you should ALWAYS be prepared to lose your items. That's why it's called the wilderness. Sure, other MMORPG's don't make you lose items when you die, but RuneScape sets itself apart from that. Player Killing in the wilderness is a money making source. You can PK 30 rune scimmys and sell for 25k each on the market or GE, what have you. 750k for those scimitars. People who are lazy enough not to merchant or skill will go to the wilderness as their money making source. It's an adrenaline rush for most people, it gets you EXP, and money. Few such other dangerous P2P mini-games rival the wilderness. If Jagex gets rid of the DP, who's to say people are desperate enough to maintain such a money-making opportunity that they'll pay to be members to go to a Dueling Arena and get their money that way, but less efficiently?

what keeps everyone from just right-clicking each other and selecting trade and offer all and accept?

 

Removing staking has been justified already.

 

 

 

No, actually, it has not.

 

 

 

Many people have repeatedly made the valid point that RWT in the duel arena could have been stopped through a staking limit that would have still allowed stakers to do what they enjoy. There hasn't been any response from Jagex on this, nor a single valid counter-argument that I've seen in the last 2-3 weeks since the ridiculous change was made.

 

 

 

Actually, ever since the update has came, I'm sure people would vouch for Jagex to remove staking from the game. All Jagex did ended up as a fruitless effort to combat RWT. They are killing of legitimate money makers as well, so whilst you believe that the RWT could be stopped through a pathetic staking limit of 12/hr, their means do not justify the end. Also, stakers won't absolutely be able to still 'enjoy' staking, what made them enjoy staking was the thrill of staking huge money and not knowing the outcome, like gambling but online and for a 13+ rated MMORPG. Many stakers just making it big have already decided to quit because it was their only main source of income. Either Jagex has to remove the limit or make a mini-game/skill that is just as profitable.

Jagex FTL.

hmm I wonder if they will release both minigames at once since there was no update last week :-k

Yeah i saw this coming a few months ago but recent updates have pretty much settled it. I completely agree with you on this one and imo its just a matter of time and when jagex have the balls to go through with it...

 

 

 

I still don't see why jagex hate real world traders... they have memberships and who gives a [cabbage] if they sell money... They make $20 for 10 hours work? Thats slave labour lol

I think this is what jagex heading for, they maybe not take away wild now, but in a few months they will, and when they do, they gonna take whole rs down as well, not that I PK much, but comeon, RuneScape without wild?? can't even image it :cry:

 

 

 

and about those Real worlds traders, is it realy worth to destroy the game just to stop them? they are not even close to jagex when it comes to spoil the game

Yeah i saw this coming a few months ago but recent updates have pretty much settled it. I completely agree with you on this one and imo its just a matter of time and when jagex have the balls to go through with it...

 

 

 

I still don't see why jagex hate real world traders... they have memberships and who gives a [cabbage] if they sell money... They make $20 for 10 hours work? Thats slave labour lol

 

 

 

well i guess we'll find a real reason why this is such a big deal in the RWT development diary.

Your an idiot. They wont get rid of the wilderness.

what keeps everyone from just right-clicking each other and selecting trade and offer all and accept?

 

 

 

Think of RWT as a hall.

 

 

 

It has direct player to player trading as it's center pillar. Not to mention the MAJORITY of players all use this method to play.

 

 

 

Around this pillar are smaller ones, not as important, but given the need they can support the weight of the hall.

 

 

 

These smaller pillars are: dueling arena, Party Pete's, dropping items from inventory, PKing drops, and dying to an NPC and looting the pile. All these are also used very rarely, or by a SMALL MINORITY of runescape players.

 

 

 

Most RWT do not use those "smaller pillars" but if Jagex yanks the "main pillar" they will quickly use them.

 

 

 

So what is Jagex to do?

 

 

 

They yank the smaller, less "used" pillars first. They KNOW they are going to anger a few players, but they NEED to control the RWT and their bots or the game will not last. As they pull the smaller pillars they "redirect" those not directly affected by giving us NEW UPDATES....

 

 

 

We're seeing this now. Jagex is collapsing the RWT "hall".

 

 

 

As they do this they have given us the GE, and as a bonus they suddenly decided to give us Development Diaries about the new skill.

 

 

 

Once the last few small pillars are removed Jagex will ALSO pull the "main pillar".

 

 

 

All trades will be done through the GE ONLY.

 

 

 

Direct player to player trading will be GONE.

 

 

 

I suspect that within 10 days of summoning coming out, direct player to player trading will be removed.

 

 

 

Presto, no RWT anymore in runescape.

Your an idiot. They wont get rid of the wilderness.

 

 

 

But they WILL change how loot drops in the wild.

Jagex will not get rid of Player to Player trades. What Jagex will likely do is this:

 

 

 

1. All "accident" trades (death drops, party hall, duel arena, general stores) will be closed entirely by one means or another.

 

 

 

2. All drops over a certain value will never be seen by another player (I'm thinking 1k gp is the limit).

 

 

 

3. All trades between players must be within a certain value of each other in relation to Grand Exchange. Yes, this will close that one thing that's between Shared Accounts and Multiple Loggins: Friend trading. No more getting 1 million gp from your friend to get you back on your feet.

 

 

 

So, I see player to player trading still existing, but the game will monitor your activities for unbalanced trades. If you go too far (say, 10k gp in a 15 minutes span with one player), it won't let you do any more trades.

 

 

 

What's cool about that is that getting "hacked" (in reality, being a moron and giving your "friend" your pass) will not matter anymore. The "hacker" can't trade your items off anyway. Most he can do is just dump your stuff on the ground which won't be seen by anyone.

f2p already have the GE. They will not get anymore updates for a lonnnnnnnggggggggg time.

I think that gravestones probably WILL give the dead person's loot however, it will track what was dropped and who picked it up. They couldn't track the normal way items were dropped on the ground so by simply implementing this, RWT won't use the wild anymore to sell their gold as it will be detectable.

 

 

 

it could also be used to detract from PJers in that only the person who killed their opponent could pick up their death pile.