Homosexuality - Gay Bashing?

[venomai]

Bi doesn't mean multiple partners only that you can be attracted to either sex

 

 

 

Most Bi People I know get involved with multiple partners, and some even try and find couples. (Yes I do know Bi, and Gay people)

 

That's a huge generalization based on your own personal experience of a small handful of bisexuals. Have you got any actual sources?

 

 

 

No I dont watch porn Either ;)

 

 

 

Ive never seen porn as good for anything.

 

May I ask your age? I only ask because most males (and I mean a great deal of them) who have passed puberty would testify otherwise. :wink:

[deloriagod]

 

The best way to keep a social structure working and healthy is to have it set to biological norms. Men were made to be with women, Is that so hard to understand? Women + women = adoption, Men + Men = ewww. Bi people lead to problems were they cant marry more then one and so they go off and find the other they want and even some gay people do this as well. That is how meny viruses and and stuff are speard to others through sex with a random person just to get there fix.

 

 

 

Im not saying being gay is "wrong" or you will burn in hell, but Parades and celebrations about it are way to much. If your gay be gay, If your straight be it, if your bi pick one they are both the same. Its just the destruction thats put onto the system when things like these are place on it. I personally dont see why most people are gay, If you look theres plenty of people of the oposite sex that are just as equal to those of the same, same emotions feelling, desires.

 

 

 

Also on the consent thing, In nature theres not much consent. There its all about power and dominance.

 

 

 

This was a big joke right? Just all the most rediculous and norrow minded views and ideas about gays/bis/lesbians all compiled into a few paragraphs right? Nadril did a great job summing everything up in all that, but there is one thing I really feel the need to comment on..

 

 

 

If your gay be gay, If your straight be it, if your bi pick one they are both the same.

 

 

 

So I can tell you that you were only allowed to like FPS games or RP games, but not both, right? You can only like motorcycles or cars, not both. You can only like computers or video game consoles, not both. Those are all similar decisions, though they wouldn't change your life. I mean, you're telling me I have to decide whether I only like guys or only like girls. You need to take a look out into the real world and then see if you even think of saying that again. Being gay and being straight are not the same and you don't seem to have an idea. When you stop liking half the things in your life and totally put them aside (never to touch them again) then I'll consider being gay or straight. Until then, I'll be bi.

 

 

 

But thank you very much for your post. It really shows a lot about what some people honestly think.

[MasterMarduk]

Bi doesn't mean multiple partners only that you can be attracted to either sex

 

 

 

Most Bi People I know get involved with multiple partners, and some even try and find couples. (Yes I do know Bi, and Gay people)

 

That's a huge generalization based on your own personal experience of a small handful of bisexuals. Have you got any actual sources?

 

 

 

No I dont watch porn Either ;)

 

 

 

Ive never seen porn as good for anything.

 

May I ask your age? I only ask because most males (and I mean a great deal of them) who have passed puberty would testify otherwise. :wink:

 

 

 

 

 

Im 23, and I wouldnt say huge generalization, if it was huge Id say most all =-D, this is just a generalization. But I know over 20 Bi people, only 6 gay people. Although I think some of the people that say there Bi are really gay but dont want to stick with it.

[MasterMarduk]

 

 

 

If your gay be gay, If your straight be it, if your bi pick one they are both the same.

 

 

 

So I can tell you that you were only allowed to like FPS games or RP games, but not both, right? You can only like motorcycles or cars, not both. You can only like computers or video game consoles, not both. Those are all similar decisions, though they wouldn't change your life. I mean, you're telling me I have to decide whether I only like guys or only like girls. You need to take a look out into the real world and then see if you even think of saying that again. Being gay and being straight are not the same and you don't seem to have an idea. When you stop liking half the things in your life and totally put them aside (never to touch them again) then I'll consider being gay or straight. Until then, I'll be bi.

 

 

 

But thank you very much for your post. It really shows a lot about what some people honestly think.

 

 

 

No, that was more directed at closet people, that hide the fact there one way or another.

[knives669]

I have no problem with gay people. I do, however, have a big problem with homophobes.

[Guest]

"in the Bible it clearly states that God is without flaw and does not make mistakes,Also he says or so it states in the Bible do not decline any one person for he may be different in his way and belifes but he is of the same image of god."

 

 

 

Now, in my eyes, everyone who is using religion against gays is going against religion in the first place. Supposing they don't use religion in their arguement, isn't what they're saying just prejudice?

 

 

 

lol. People who are Pro Gay wouldn't know the Bible if it walked up to them in the street and said hello. They merely pick at scripture take them out of context and use them wit their argument so they can live with themselves. It clearly states in the Bible that Homosexuality is a sin. The question therefore is not whether the Bible is against Homosexuality (which it is) but whether or not you believe that its right to live by the Bible and whether the Bible's morals and beliefs are correct.

 

 

 

Secondly your true about not declining others because of what they belief in. To be more correct it says love them no matter what, since we're all sinners. That doesn't mean you can't be against the act (waits for Warrior to come along and tell me thats not possible - thats incorrect - it is...such as me being against liars and others who continually do sinful acts- but whatever I don't wish to get into an argument about that at the moment).

 

 

 

That's why I can believe that gay bashing is an unjust hypocritical thing to do, especially if you're Christian since your called to love the homosexuals. Doesn't mean I'm not against the act, I've got the right to be against the act, just as others have the right to support the act in the first place.

 

 

 

Oh no I don't really mind that you're against the act, I just don't personally agree. I just tend to argue against people who think it's a choice to be a homosexual when it's not.

 

 

 

I think it would be a little niave to go as far to say all homosexuality is a choice (assuming that your correct on homosexuality being not a choice in many people - whether or not I agree with you is a seperate issue) since many people can choose to be homosexual. For instance (I know its a little out there but its not like it doesn't occur) people can choose to go and have sex with their own sex for the pure enjoyment it brings them (as they may be experimental people) that's definitely a choice, so you've got to be careful saying all homosexuality isn't a choice - because thats not the case always.

 

 

 

I can give other examples of choice when it comes to people not necessarily feeling attracted to their same sex but doing it for an experimental enjoyment factor (another example would be a 3 some) etc. etc.

[Guest]

"in the Bible it clearly states that God is without flaw and does not make mistakes,Also he says or so it states in the Bible do not decline any one person for he may be different in his way and belifes but he is of the same image of god."

 

 

 

Now, in my eyes, everyone who is using religion against gays is going against religion in the first place. Supposing they don't use religion in their arguement, isn't what they're saying just prejudice?

 

 

 

lol. People who are Pro Gay wouldn't know the Bible if it walked up to them in the street and said hello. They merely pick at scripture take them out of context and use them wit their argument so they can live with themselves. It clearly states in the Bible that Homosexuality is a sin. The question therefore is not whether the Bible is against Homosexuality (which it is) but whether or not you believe that its right to live by the Bible and whether the Bible's morals and beliefs are correct.

 

 

 

The Bible also disallows contact with women during their period, wearing clothes made of two types of thread, and touching the skin of a dead pig. It's is a storybook that's thousands of years old. It's full of [cabbage].

 

 

 

Do you know the difference between the Old and New Testament? Clearly not. Ones under the Jewish law, which has the beliefs of the Jews and the other is for Christian's a new Covenant thats occured after Jesus came and died on the cross. Both the New and Old Testaments says homosexuality is wrong and a sin, though the Old says you can't touch a pig skin (or whatever pathetic argument you gave). We as Christians haven't had to live by those laws for 2000 years but rather the laws of the New Testament.

 

 

 

So what you stated has nothing to do with the situation. In fact I don't even think what you said even occurs in the Old Testament, let alone the Bible.

[warri0r45]

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"in the Bible it clearly states that God is without flaw and does not make mistakes,Also he says or so it states in the Bible do not decline any one person for he may be different in his way and belifes but he is of the same image of god."

 

 

 

Now, in my eyes, everyone who is using religion against gays is going against religion in the first place. Supposing they don't use religion in their arguement, isn't what they're saying just prejudice?

 

 

 

lol. People who are Pro Gay wouldn't know the Bible if it walked up to them in the street and said hello. They merely pick at scripture take them out of context and use them wit their argument so they can live with themselves. It clearly states in the Bible that Homosexuality is a sin. The question therefore is not whether the Bible is against Homosexuality (which it is) but whether or not you believe that its right to live by the Bible and whether the Bible's morals and beliefs are correct.

 

 

 

Secondly your true about not declining others because of what they belief in. To be more correct it says love them no matter what, since we're all sinners. That doesn't mean you can't be against the act (waits for Warrior to come along and tell me thats not possible - thats incorrect - it is...such as me being against liars and others who continually do sinful acts- but whatever I don't wish to get into an argument about that at the moment).

 

 

 

That's why I can believe that gay bashing is an unjust hypocritical thing to do, especially if you're Christian since your called to love the homosexuals. Doesn't mean I'm not against the act, I've got the right to be against the act, just as others have the right to support the act in the first place.

 

 

 

Oh no I don't really mind that you're against the act, I just don't personally agree. I just tend to argue against people who think it's a choice to be a homosexual when it's not.

 

 

 

I think it would be a little niave to go as far to say all homosexuality is a choice (assuming that your correct on homosexuality being not a choice in many people - whether or not I agree with you is a seperate issue) since many people can choose to be homosexual. For instance (I know its a little out there but its not like it doesn't occur) people can choose to go and have sex with their own sex for the pure enjoyment it brings them (as they may be experimental people) that's definitely a choice, so you've got to be careful saying all homosexuality isn't a choice - because thats not the case always.

 

 

 

I can give other examples of choice when it comes to people not necessarily feeling attracted to their same sex but doing it for an experimental enjoyment factor (another example would be a 3 some) etc. etc.

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Your sexual orientation is not a choice, therefore being a homosexual is not a choice. Ever tried being sexually attracted to guys? Yeah, not really possible if you're straight. You touched on instances where people choose to forego those sexual orientation feelings to have sex with people they aren't sexually attracted to (which I seriously doubt would be anything but meagerly fringe in numbers, especially among guys), which would not make them homosexuals; they just performed homosexual acts. Homosexuality, i.e. being of the homosexual orientation, is not a choice. Acting on it is. I think there's a distinction there to make between actions and orientation.

[BlueTear]

It totally impairs it. Maybe not to the extent that blindness impairs vision (although 70-80% of blind people can be cured to an extent), but no homosexual animal (besides a human) is going to reproduce. The only reason a homosexual human would reproduce cannot be explained in natural terms. Therefore I don't see how, from a purely evolutionary standpoint, homosexuality is not seen as a defect when the heterosexual gene (if one exists) is much more conducive to the survival of the species?

Is the reproduction of the individual really always more conducive to the survival of the species, as opposed to non-reproduction of a segment of the population?

 

 

 

Most of the other points I was going to bring up were brought up by others already, so I'll just pounce on that sentence.

[doomy]

God Made Adam and Eve, Not Adam and Steve! - 100+ members

 

Lmao :lol:

 

 

 

But yeah, theres a gay guy at our school, everyone makes fun of him lol :P

 

 

 

But yeah, it isn't really that bad of a thing, but yeah, quite often I make fun of it....

 

 

 

And gay is one of the most overused insults ever lol.

[limpbizkit]

Sorry but the idea of guys at all in a sexual way makes me sick, No i dont think [bleep] are better and thats not what I was getting at by that statement. #-o

 

 

 

No I dont watch porn Either :wink:

 

 

 

Ive never seen porn as good for anything.

 

 

 

There Orientation has alot to do with it, When people are attracted to a person in a non "normal"(Like home or Bi) way they will hide it and some will even buy it.

 

 

 

Thats were STD's come in, Not the fact there any Sexual orientation but that they have a will to hide it and that will Progresses STD, through sex with people they dont know.

 

 

 

Bi, Because I dont think a person should have more then 1 sexual partner, It leads to jelousy and all the wonderful things that result from that.

 

 

 

Well you can criticize man and man but woman and woman is fine...

 

Its the same. Just different genders.

[assassin_696]

insane, I take your point that from a purely gene centric view homosexuality is a disaster in the natural world (although sperm banks provide a way round this in the developed world, but this is probably irrelevant when it comes to evolutionary advantages, since they're a relatively new development). But the gene centered point of view is only an issue if you are a gene. Since when have we based our conceptions of what can be considered socially acceptable on what our genes want? Rape might be an attractive short term strategy for some genes, but that doesn't make it right.

 

 

 

Say there's two male-female couples. Couple one contains a heterosexual male and female. Couple two contains a homosexual male and female. You have to bet on one of the couples promoting their species through reproduction. You're telling me that you don't obviously bet on couple one? If you do bet on couple one, you're telling me that couple one has an evolutionary advantage over couple two as their genes are passed onwards and the species survives. Of course couple two could reproduce, but are you going to bet on them over couple one? No.

 

 

 

To clarify, are both the couples told that their sole objective is to promote their species? In that case i'd assign equal probabilities to them passing on their genes, since both are equally potentially capable. If they're not told this though, then yes, I agree with you, but again, why be concerned over their genes' wishes?

 

 

 

It totally impairs it. Maybe not to the extent that blindness impairs vision (although 70-80% of blind people can be cured to an extent), but no homosexual animal (besides a human) is going to reproduce. The only reason a homosexual human would reproduce cannot be explained in natural terms. Therefore I don't see how, from a purely evolutionary standpoint, homosexuality is not seen as a defect when the heterosexual gene (if one exists) is much more conducive to the survival of the species?

 

 

 

It doesn't totally impair it the ability to reproduce, only the desire.

[Zealot]

I am going to state my thesis first, though I imagine that it isn't really what the author wishes to hear but please bear with my while I explain it. I believe that homosexuality is not what God intended when HE made anybody, but in many ways it is truer then the love and compassion that is felt and expressed by many heterosexual men in the world.

 

 

 

The first part of my thesis is that I believe that homosexuality is wrong. As a Christian I must use the Bible as my final word for right and wrong in regards to ethics. There are a few places in the Bible in which it is classified with other sin that is sexual in nature (sex outside of marrage and beastiality being other examples from the Bible). Things that belong to the same class belong to the same class, so all homosexuality is an example of sexual sin. I honestly wish that I could disagree with myself on this issue but I can not. If the Bible is true and the God of the Bible is real then this must be true regardless of my views on the issue.

 

 

 

I read a book a few years ago called Wild at Heart by John Eldridge. It is a Christian book attempting to deal with the concept of masculinity. One of the things which Eldridge brushed upon was homosexuality. One of the things that he said and that I agree with is that homosexuality is a corruption of something that was intended--brotherhood between men (or women). Really, it only becomes wrong when it is sexualized. Many heterosexual men are terrified that if they develope strong male relationships that may be an indicator that they are homosexual or bisexual. Consiquentially many live life without any genuine comrades and miss out on a large part of what is good in life. Though homosexuality is a corruption, men who practice it are in this way better off then many heterosexual men who allow it to get between them and having genuine friendship with other men.

 

 

 

I have one final thing to say: I do not hold it against anybody if they fall short in some aria or other. "ALL have sinned..." myself included. I have lusted after women who aren't my wife. That is another example of sexual sin, and Jesus equated it with adultry. My fiance and I have been too cavalere in our relationship as well. I am human and to the extent that I have committed sexual sin I understand what it is to be a sexual sinner, so I will not throw stones. All I will say is that it amazes me to no end that a perfect being would be willing to go to such incredible lengths as to take my place in death for my many shortcomings... all so that I might live with HIM in spite of them.

[baron8000]

In b4 religious flame war over the above post

 

 

 

I give it a page, max.

[limpbizkit]

I am going to state my thesis first, though I imagine that it isn't really what the author wishes to hear but please bear with my while I explain it. I believe that homosexuality is not what God intended when HE made anybody, but in many ways it is truer then the love and compassion that is felt and expressed by many heterosexual men in the world.

 

 

 

The first part of my thesis is that I believe that homosexuality is wrong. As a Christian I must use the Bible as my final word for right and wrong in regards to ethics.

 

One God made everyone yes but you shot yourself in the foot...If god made everyone he made bi/gay.

 

Two im Christian, I'm bi...Nothing wrong with it the bible is a guideline not the last words...

[IGoddessI]

Most Bi People I know get involved with multiple partners, and some even try and find couples. (Yes I do know Bi, and Gay people)

 

 

 

My partner and I have been together for 4 years. We're both bisexual. While the thought has definitely crossed my mind and his mind to partner swap, we've never decided to go through with it. We even made a profile at one stage, then looked at each other and said it was ridiculous and that we didn't need anyone else in our lives and deleted it. So we haven't actually been involved with multiple partners, nor have we decided to do so in the future. Even though the thought could be a little kinky, I still get jealous of other females invading my territory, vice verser. The thought of it actually makes me sick, I'm very territorial and I'd probably give the chick a black eye if she laid a finger on my man lol

 

 

 

Even though I am bisexual myself, I would still be more jealous of a female touching my partner, than another male. Even though I fancy both sexes, I slightly still prefer men.

 

 

 

The weird thing is though, even though I slightly prefer men, if I was with another woman, I'd get jealous if a man or a woman were to get involved.

 

 

 

Go figure, seriously. :-k

 

 

 

I'd be willing to experiment with 2 men but then I'd have paranoia of him being gay :XD:

 

 

 

So I think it's best that we leave it up to the porn :P

 

 

 

I've already given one woman an ear bashing today for telling my boyfriend she loved him on our anniversary.... :twisted: Even though she was [bleep]ing gorgeous, she can keep her mitts off my property!!

[llcoolguy972]

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"in the Bible it clearly states that God is without flaw and does not make mistakes,Also he says or so it states in the Bible do not decline any one person for he may be different in his way and belifes but he is of the same image of god."

 

Now, in my eyes, everyone who is using religion against gays is going against religion in the first place. Supposing they don't use religion in their arguement, isn't what they're saying just prejudice?

 

lol. People who are Pro Gay wouldn't know the Bible if it walked up to them in the street and said hello. They merely pick at scripture take them out of context and use them wit their argument so they can live with themselves. It clearly states in the Bible that Homosexuality is a sin. The question therefore is not whether the Bible is against Homosexuality (which it is) but whether or not you believe that its right to live by the Bible and whether the Bible's morals and beliefs are correct.

 

The Bible also disallows contact with women during their period, wearing clothes made of two types of thread, and touching the skin of a dead pig. It's is a storybook that's thousands of years old. It's full of [cabbage].

 

Do you know the difference between the Old and New Testament? Clearly not. Ones under the Jewish law, which has the beliefs of the Jews and the other is for Christian's a new Covenant thats occured after Jesus came and died on the cross. Both the New and Old Testaments says homosexuality is wrong and a sin, though the Old says you can't touch a pig skin (or whatever pathetic argument you gave). We as Christians haven't had to live by those laws for 2000 years but rather the laws of the New Testament.

 

So what you stated has nothing to do with the situation. In fact I don't even think what you said even occurs in the Old Testament, let alone the Bible.

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Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved. Simon Peter therefore beckoned to him, that he should ask who it should be of whom he spake. He then lying on Jesus' breast saith unto him, Lord, who is it?

 

John 13:23-25

 

And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

 

Revelation 14:1-4

 

 

 

Not to mention all the contradictions.

 

And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer. And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see. And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword. And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand. And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine. And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see. And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

 

Revelation 6:1-8

 

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And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

 

John 12:47 vs John 9:39

 

And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.

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Heh. GF

[Solidus_77]

Even though I fancy both sexes, I slightly still prefer men.

 

 

 

That's actually an interesting point. Some people are 100% straight, others are 100% gay. There are, however, people who are in the middle. This is just a little fact I heard and I have no statistics (however I'll go look) but quite often people are neither 100% straight nor 100% gay. It's interesting becuause we most often think of people either being gay or straight and imagine nothing in between (and no, I don't mean everyone else is bi).

[Denismage]

Last year one guy said he's bisexual in front of the whole class and no one cared, I don't care if the person is bisexual or not either, and it's not like bisexuals try to hit on everything they see. :roll: I'll write a full response when I'll be back from school.

[Flame_guy3]

Last year one guy said he's bisexual in front of the whole class and no one cared, I don't care if the person is bisexual or not either, and it's not like bisexuals try to hit on everything they see. :roll: I'll write a full response when I'll be back from school.

 

 

 

LOL someone did that last year at my school... it ended up going around the whole year and he was laughed at for ages XD... it finally died down obviously but after he got sick of some individuals always making jokes at him :oops: he announced he wasn't bi 'anymore' obviously just doin it for attention..

[venomai]

Even though I fancy both sexes, I slightly still prefer men.

 

 

 

That's actually an interesting point. Some people are 100% straight, others are 100% gay. There are, however, people who are in the middle. This is just a little fact I heard and I have no statistics (however I'll go look) but quite often people are neither 100% straight nor 100% gay. It's interesting becuause we most often think of people either being gay or straight and imagine nothing in between (and no, I don't mean everyone else is bi).

 

I suspect there is such thing as a "100%" straight/gay, but I'm sure that many of the self-appointed straights/gays are actually bisexual (in the sense that there is a level of attraction to both sexes) and choose not to admit it.

 

 

 

There's a general misconception that bisexual always means exactly "in the middle" in terms of preference. Most bis I know tend to prefer one sex over another.

 

 

 

Just speculation, though... :)

[Kiriyama]

Well, technically speaking, theres no such thing as straight or gay.

 

 

 

I think we are all bi-sexual underneath, we just haven't met the one of the opposite/same gender that we have feelings for.

[StrOwez]

Well, technically speaking, theres no such thing as straight or gay.

 

 

 

I think we are all bi-sexual underneath, we just haven't met the one of the opposite/same gender that we have feelings for.

I have feeling for my friend Tom, I love him as a friend but I'll never have sexual intercourse with him because I don't find it appealing to me.

[Kiriyama]

Well, technically speaking, theres no such thing as straight or gay.

 

 

 

I think we are all bi-sexual underneath, we just haven't met the one of the opposite/same gender that we have feelings for.

I have feeling for my friend Tom, I love him as a friend but I'll never have sexual intercourse with him because I don't find it appealing to me.

 

 

 

True, you may never have intercourse with them because it doesn't appeal to you, but whoever said a relationship always includes that?

[StrOwez]

Well, technically speaking, theres no such thing as straight or gay.

 

 

 

I think we are all bi-sexual underneath, we just haven't met the one of the opposite/same gender that we have feelings for.

I have feeling for my friend Tom, I love him as a friend but I'll never have sexual intercourse with him because I don't find it appealing to me.

 

 

 

True, you may never have intercourse with them because it doesn't appeal to you, but whoever said a relationship always includes that?

and whoever said that having feeling for the opposite sex meant your gay or bi?