Homosexuality - Gay Bashing?

[Kiriyama]

My opinion on this is that gay/bi people CHOISE to be become gay/bi, as how many gays where there before the media showed gays on the television alot, after that it peeked, so if you can be influenced into something, it is you're own choise, however I'm not against gay/bi people, but I just think they shouldn't be able to marry eachother, As marrying is something catholic, and it states in the bible that gay relations are sins.

 

 

 

And when you marry someone, you are supposed to be with them for the rest of your lives.

 

 

 

Yeah, theres something that people also overlook.

 

 

 

You call gay relations a sin, I'll pull the divorce card.

[raven_gaurd0]

Nazi...right.

 

 

 

The difference between me and a nazi is the fact that Nazi's believe that they should be killed. I don't. I just don't think that they should....be so public. If the gay people wouldn't prance about and be so...GAY in public, I wouldn't mind. But for the most part, they are all merely trying to piss us off.

 

 

 

And it's working.

[Bouwzie]

My opinion on this is that gay/bi people CHOISE to be become gay/bi, as how many gays where there before the media showed gays on the television alot, after that it peeked, so if you can be influenced into something, it is you're own choise, however I'm not against gay/bi people, but I just think they shouldn't be able to marry eachother, As marrying is something catholic, and it states in the bible that gay relations are sins.

 

 

 

And when you marry someone, you are supposed to be with them for the rest of your lives.

 

 

 

Yeah, theres something that people also overlook.

 

 

 

You call gay relations a sin, I'll pull the divorce card.

 

 

 

The bible calls it sins.

[raven_gaurd0]

My opinion on this is that gay/bi people CHOISE to be become gay/bi, as how many gays where there before the media showed gays on the television alot, after that it peeked, so if you can be influenced into something, it is you're own choise, however I'm not against gay/bi people, but I just think they shouldn't be able to marry eachother, As marrying is something catholic, and it states in the bible that gay relations are sins.

 

 

 

And when you marry someone, you are supposed to be with them for the rest of your lives.

 

 

 

Yeah, theres something that people also overlook.

 

 

 

You call gay relations a sin, I'll pull the divorce card.

 

 

 

I'm with Dragon. I don't think they should disappear, but I don't think they should be so outspoken, nor should they get married.

 

 

 

For example, when they went to the catcholic church in San Francisco in flamingly homosexual costumes...the bishop still served communion. He still blessed them, and he still allowed them inside of the church.

 

 

 

Who came off better there? The gay's marched towards the church to make a fool of us, but in the end we were humble and accepted them. This is why I don't like gays, because they go out of their way to piss other people off. We call those 'douchebags', 'trolls', and 'jerks'. While the bishop was 'kind', and 'fair' and 'just'. Who came off better, the Catholics who are morale that they turn the other cheek, or the gays who always make the first punch?

[Kiriyama]

My opinion on this is that gay/bi people CHOISE to be become gay/bi, as how many gays where there before the media showed gays on the television alot, after that it peeked, so if you can be influenced into something, it is you're own choise, however I'm not against gay/bi people, but I just think they shouldn't be able to marry eachother, As marrying is something catholic, and it states in the bible that gay relations are sins.

 

 

 

And when you marry someone, you are supposed to be with them for the rest of your lives.

 

 

 

Yeah, theres something that people also overlook.

 

 

 

You call gay relations a sin, I'll pull the divorce card.

 

 

 

I'm with Dragon. I don't think they should disappear, but I don't think they should be so outspoken, nor should they get married.

 

 

 

For example, when they went to the catcholic church in San Francisco in flamingly homosexual costumes...the bishop still served communion. He still blessed them, and he still allowed them inside of the church.

 

 

 

Who came off better there? The gay's marched towards the church to make a fool of us, but in the end we were humble and accepted them. This is why I don't like gays, because they go out of their way to piss other people off. We call those 'douchebags', 'trolls', and 'jerks'. While the bishop was 'kind', and 'fair' and 'just'. Who came off better, the Catholics who are morale that they turn the other cheek, or the gays who always make the first punch?

 

 

 

I believe the Bible threw the first punch actually.

 

 

 

Most gays actually act like normal guys, I don't think you should judge someone on sexual preference, if you do that, then go judge people based on Ethnic Orign and skin colour.

 

 

 

Oh wait that'd be racism.

[Lionheart_0]

Question: Can anyone here who is against gays make an argument against them without religion involved?

[raven_gaurd0]

The Bible did no such thing. The gay's felt threatened by the bible, so they attacked it. Nothing more than a feral, worthless animal would have done. The bible doesn't have any affect on those whom do not believe in it. If the gay's don't want to believe in the bible, then go ahead, I don't care. I won't be telling you to convert and become straight. But don't go marching on our sacred and holy space demanding that we treat you equally when you have done NOTHING to respect us. Even though, by our law we must, and we will, do not believe that we are doing it out of kind hospitality, or because we enjoy you. We are doing it because we are the better people here, and with that information, I am content.

[raven_gaurd0]

BTW, Lionheart, I can.

 

 

 

They are counterproductive to 2 billion years of nature. Nature on earth, without religion, has but one purpose: To reproduce.

 

 

 

Gays cannot reproduce.

 

 

 

Therefore, gays are going against nature. Counterracting 2 billion. TWO BILLION years. Let me spell that out. 2,000,000,000 years of work that they are reversing.

[assassin_696]

Political correctness, equality, and being nice to other people? What the hell is wrong with you people? You still watch Barney?

 

 

 

News Flash: Equality is a LIE.

 

 

 

Furthermore, gays and bi's made a choice. For example, in order to be a gay, you need to have decided that you like the same sex as oppose to the opposite sex. Just in that, I can hate gays. Because all gays had to make that choice, and if I hate people that have made that choice, then I can hate all gays. Because that's a requirement.

 

 

 

Strawman argument, ergo the rest of your post is bunk. As well as being bunk, it's also extremely bigoted, but you're not worth the time it would take to deconstruct point by point.

[Kiriyama]

Lionheart, I believe they would pull the "They act so gay and hit on everyone" card, which any sane person would know is just a lie, true some do, but not all. They judge the majority on the minority.

 

 

 

Raven, how can you really be called the better person with some claims you have made? Yet again, you are accusing the minority, then with it, judging the majority. Anyway we are talking about religions, you do know that in some churches, they CHARGE for "good" seats. You call the bible your law, you realise how many of those "rules" you break daily, and how many contradict another?

 

 

 

I won't deny that the 10 commandments are the basis of society, how I will say that the bible is massively flawed old stories.

 

 

 

EDIT: Gays aren't really against nature all that much, they make up what? Under 0.1% of total population maybe? Unless the majority of people turn gay, which I highly doubt ever will happen, the main problem we have is war and the Sun exploding one day (though in the distant future).

[FooK-A-Ji]

Its obvious, that the general opinion of being gay is negative.

 

 

 

Things like "thats so gay" and "you're acting pretty gay dude, c'mon" prove it. People don't mean these sentences in positive ways.

 

 

 

I'm not saiying its right though.

[Lionheart_0]

BTW, Lionheart, I can.

 

 

 

They are counterproductive to 2 billion years of nature. Nature on earth, without religion, has but one purpose: To reproduce.

 

 

 

Gays cannot reproduce.

 

 

 

Therefore, gays are going against nature. Counterracting 2 billion. TWO BILLION years. Let me spell that out. 2,000,000,000 years of work that they are reversing.

 

 

 

I don't see your point. There are always anomalies in nature. Things that differ from the 'standard'. There are no real standards in nature as nature is chaotic and things are always changing. 'standards' or norms are just things that we humans make because we can't stand to see chaos, and therefor must find order in that chaos.

 

 

 

As well, I know it's rough to say it, but homosexuals help with population control. We currently have over 6 billion people on the earth. We can barly feed every single mouth can we? So what is the point of making sure everyone has kids if we don't have the food and resources to provide for them.

 

 

 

As well, you said gays can't reproduce and are therefore against nature. What about those that are born a certain way, and can't reproduce? Should we considered them not human for the way they were born, and treat them like animals?

 

 

 

 

 

You have a very flawed argument.

[Kiriyama]

Its obvious, that the general opinion of being gay is negative.

 

 

 

Things like "thats so gay" and "you're acting pretty gay dude, c'mon" prove it. People don't mean these sentences in positive ways.

 

 

 

I'm not saiying its right though.

 

 

 

You realise people there mean stupid?

 

 

 

Gay started out meaning frikkin happy. Case in point It was a gay old time. Gay meaning happy.

 

 

 

Gay now has a third meaning thanks to the online gamers, which is stupid.

[FooK-A-Ji]

Raven Guard, maybe it just took 2 billion years to turn some people gay..

[FooK-A-Ji]

Its obvious, that the general opinion of being gay is negative.

 

 

 

Things like "thats so gay" and "you're acting pretty gay dude, c'mon" prove it. People don't mean these sentences in positive ways.

 

 

 

I'm not saiying its right though.

 

 

 

You realise people there mean stupid?

 

 

 

Gay started out meaning frikkin happy. Case in point It was a gay old time. Gay meaning happy.

 

 

 

Gay now has a third meaning thanks to the online gamers, which is stupid.

 

 

 

Did you NOT REALISE that I am not taking sides in this arguement? Cool your head down a little or I won't even discuss with you.

 

I wrote an observation and you totally missed the point.

[Veiva]

Political correctness, equality, and being nice to other people? What the hell is wrong with you people? You still watch Barney?

 

 

 

 

You must be a troll, but I'll take the bait.

 

 

 

 

News Flash: Equality is a LIE.

 

Sure it is.

 

 

 

 

Furthermore, gays and bi's made a choice. For example, in order to be a gay, you need to have decided that you like the same sex as oppose to the opposite sex. Just in that, I can hate gays. Because all gays had to make that choice, and if I hate people that have made that choice, then I can hate all gays. Because that's a requirement.

 

You never made a decision to like females (if you're a male, which I figure you are), and so I never made the decision that I also happen to like males, too. It's not a decision, just as breathing is not a decision, or having to go bathroom, or whatever.

 

 

 

 

Imposing ideas on others isn't a bad thing, nor is it a good thing. Most of the gays, bi's, and lez'bo's are only as such to either be pornstars, get quick fame, be different, or go against the grain. (Oh, P.S. Rent can just go off, grow a pair, and then go die. That movie inspired destruction and anarchy.)

 

I guess we shouldn't have imposed the idea that blacks are equal to whites. Oh wait... Equality doesn't exist, according to you.

 

 

 

 

Gay bashing is perfectly legal. I mean, hell, I get bashed all the time for being Catholic, but I hold my head high. Life has no rules, it has no laws, and it has no restrictions. Anything goes, it's just how other's react is how this world is made.

 

If you are Catholic, then surely you believel ife has rules and laws. In your religion, it is called the Bible.

 

 

 

 

Yeah, and seriously, dude, Facebook and MySpace, can join Rent in growing a pair. Because they both have some serious issues, and I know that they don't represnt our populations.

 

I don't care about either, so I don't have anything to say here.

 

 

 

 

Oh yeah, and as a quick addition, Gays and [bleep] are both destroying humanity. Life has one true purpose on earth: to reproduce. Gay and lesbian relations defeats that purpose. Henceforth, it is unnatural, innate, and destructive of EVERYTHING we have worked for over the past 20,000 years. The Earth as a whole is being undermined, and gays are consciously or unconsciously destroying almost 2 billion years of life before it.

 

So, the same applies to people who cannot reproduce (disabilities and what not), to those who consciously choose not to (monks, nuns, people with hereditary diseases, etc), and others. Good for you.

 

 

 

(And don't pull out 'nature can be gay, too' bullcrap, because it can't. Gay animals don't exist, it's just images of what they're doing may seem 'gay' to us. The purpose behind human gayness is to love the same sex. The only form of homosexuality in nature is a form of payment (Bonobo or somewhat chimpanzee's trade sexual favors for...blah blah food tools etc.)

 

So those rams who refuse to mate with any female sheep are not gay? They are just making a choice, I guess, to go against sheep-kind.

 

 

 

EDIT: In the words of Jeremy who just pwns n00bs: u r a [bleep].

 

I don't know what's censored there, but I think I know what it is, and I must say, you need to grow up.

 

 

 

BTW, Lionheart, I can.

 

 

 

They are counterproductive to 2 billion years of nature. Nature on earth, without religion, has but one purpose: To reproduce.

 

 

 

Gays cannot reproduce.

 

 

 

Therefore, gays are going against nature. Counterracting 2 billion. TWO BILLION years. Let me spell that out. 2,000,000,000 years of work that they are reversing.

 

A gay person cannot reproduce? It's impossible? Since when do gay men not have sperm that can be used by a women, homosexual or not? And what if a person cannot reproduce because of medical issues? They aren't human either?

[insane]

And what if a person cannot reproduce because of medical issues? They aren't human either?

 

 

 

As well, you said gays can't reproduce and are therefore against nature. What about those that are born a certain way, and can't reproduce? Should we considered them not human for the way they were born, and treat them like animals?

 

 

 

No, but those people seek help and are generally pitied by people for that reason. It's not like there's "sterile pride day"... people don't like finding out that they're sterile, in fact, it's a very sad thing - their body isn't working the way it should. So going by your analogy, gays should be pitied, not celebrated, and seek help for their condition.

 

 

 

 

 

I don't see your point. There are always anomalies in nature. Things that differ from the 'standard'. There are no real standards in nature as nature is chaotic and things are always changing. 'standards' or norms are just things that we humans make because we can't stand to see chaos, and therefor must find order in that chaos.

 

 

 

If there are no real standards in nature and everything is chaotic then stop giving homophobes a bad rap; afterall it's just the standard they've made for themselves.

[Lionheart_0]

 

 

 

 

 

I don't see your point. There are always anomalies in nature. Things that differ from the 'standard'. There are no real standards in nature as nature is chaotic and things are always changing. 'standards' or norms are just things that we humans make because we can't stand to see chaos, and therefor must find order in that chaos.

 

 

 

If there are no real standards in nature and everything is chaotic then stop giving homophobes a bad rap; afterall it's just the standard they've made for themselves.

 

 

 

Rephrase that please. It didn't make sense to me.

[Rebdragon]

I would like to start a petition to have raven banned.

 

 

 

Anyone want to sign?

[Kiriyama]

*Signed*

 

 

 

Lionheart, I believe Insane is trying to say that since nature has no standards of normal, then people should stop saying stuff against homophobes, as nature made them that way. At least, thats what I read.

[StrOwez]

Its obvious, that the general opinion of being gay is negative.

 

 

 

Things like "thats so gay" and "you're acting pretty gay dude, c'mon" prove it. People don't mean these sentences in positive ways.

 

 

 

I'm not saiying its right though.

I found that people in workplace and higher education stop using gay as in insult, its mainly uneducated teens that use it. ( I used to :wall: )

[venomai]

They are counterproductive to 2 billion years of nature. Nature on earth, without religion, has but one purpose: To reproduce.

 

I don't follow religion -- does that mean my only purpose in life is to reproduce? :lol:

 

 

 

What about heterosexuals who choose not to reproduce? Even though they are equally as counterproductive to 2 billion years of nature, nobody seems to mind.

 

 

 

Homophobia is a lot more detrimental to our society than homosexuality.

 

 

 

Furthermore, gays and bi's made a choice. For example, in order to be a gay, you need to have decided that you like the same sex as oppose to the opposite sex. Just in that, I can hate gays. Because all gays had to make that choice, and if I hate people that have made that choice, then I can hate all gays. Because that's a requirement.

 

Sexual orientation is not a choice.

 

 

 

Think of skin colour. Do blacks choose to be born black?

 

 

 

Raven Guard, maybe it just took 2 billion years to turn some people gay..

 

Wouldn't it be ironic if bisexuality is the next turning point in human evolution? :P

[MasterMarduk]

ok, since theres so meny pro gay people here what about polygamy? shouldnt that also be allowed under the same arguements you make about gay right?

 

 

 

Currently, Polygamy is illegal, and harms society and people the same as gay relationships. So why Isnt polygamy allowed if gay rights would be?

 

Gay rights argue to treat homosexual/bisexual relationships just as well as the way the West treats heterosexual relationships.

 

 

 

Polygamous rights are completely different and to use them as an argument would be equally as useless as, say, attempting to compare gay rights to drug-use rights. You can't simply assume that because gay rights is fine all other right activists must also be fine.

 

 

 

Anyways, how does polygamy harm society or people any more than monogamy? A poor relationship (with jealousy, fighting, etc) can be harmful but that occurs in both poly and monogamous marriages.

 

 

 

PS: I support polygamous rights and drug-use rights, but I highly doubt that the rest of Western society is ready to accept either (yet). Let's try and take things one step at a time... :)

 

 

 

I find polygamy to be on an equal standing with gay rights, There both about ones relationship with others And both concern the idea of love.

 

 

 

Polygamy and arranged marriages are both also equal in my eyes. Polygamy im most cases was becuase of love, were as arranged marriages arent, but they cant turn into love. They both stand on equal footing to me with relationships. If you allow one you should allow them all.

[NorthernHero]

Polygamy and arranged marriages are both also equal in my eyes. Polygamy im most cases was becuase of love, were as arranged marriages arent, but they cant turn into love. They both stand on equal footing to me with relationships. If you allow one you should allow them all.

 

What on earth...? Arranged marriages is a form of slavery.

 

You can't put it in the same line with adult peoples own choice of marrying someone, be it polygamic marriage or monigamic marriage.

 

 

 

Rebdragon, I thought that banning raven was a bit extreme.. but then I read his post him calling homosexuals "nothing but a feral, worthless animals"

 

I bet the guy is a rasist too..

[dragon312]

My opinion on this is that gay/bi people CHOISE to be become gay/bi, as how many gays where there before the media showed gays on the television alot, after that it peeked, so if you can be influenced into something, it is you're own choise, however I'm not against gay/bi people, but I just think they shouldn't be able to marry eachother, As marrying is something catholic, and it states in the bible that gay relations are sins.

 

 

 

And when you marry someone, you are supposed to be with them for the rest of your lives.

 

 

 

Yeah, theres something that people also overlook.

 

 

 

You call gay relations a sin, I'll pull the divorce card.

 

Well they could make a thing that commits them to eachother but just not marry (as thats christian) just like people who believe in Allah have another way of "marrying" as christians do, so gay people could do the same, make some kind of commitment to eachother, Just not Marrying in a way that has to do with christianity.