The F2P vs. P2P war!

[bubbyjoe2]

It would be funny if the skillers, who were producing sharks, arrows, and armor for the member fighters were attacked by F2P raiding parties, and the F2Pers ran off with the loot.

[zaybex]

If Members win, then F2P will be removed and Runescape will have a cost to play AT ALL. All free players' accounts will be banned. On the other hand, if F2P wins, the entire game is open to free players and there will be no cost to play the full game. Members will receive a complete refund, but their accounts will be banned.

 

 

 

I don't get why anyone would vote F. I vote B, for the reason bolded above. I sure don't want to pay $5 a month if I can have it free! Sadly, P2P would win, unless someone pointed this little detail to everyone. I am a member and would choose to fight for members simply because most of RuneScape would overlook this detail (as already proven by this thread) and think only "hecks naw! stay loyal to members!" and members would win with their ice barraging and dark bows and barrows.

 

 

 

Oh well. Ignorance is bliss, they say.

[highlanders]

P2P would win because F2Ps have no K.O. weapons. If they damage you, you simply eat. F2p can't hit high enough, fast enough, to K.O. someone. Members on the other hand have plenty of K.O. weapons, and K.O. is really all that matters in these kinds of things.

[bubbyjoe2]

P2P would win because F2Ps have no K.O. weapons. If they damage you, you simply eat. F2p can't hit high enough, fast enough, to K.O. someone. Members on the other hand have plenty of K.O. weapons, and K.O. is really all that matters in these kinds of things.

 

 

 

But notice how F2P has about ten times the numbers as P2P.

 

 

 

Isn't this the same case as scimitar ws 2h, more hits vs tougher hits?

 

 

 

And players like the scimitar more.

 

 

 

Think of it also as 10 level 40s vs a level 138.

[Numer0_un0]

p2p wins. F2p weapons are so horrible... takes forever to kill anybody. Consider This: Full rune with r2h or Rune scim vs. Full barrows/dragon with a whip. Seriously dude. Lobsters vs. sharks. it's OVER for the f2pers. f2p max hit with 99 str, str pot, str ammy, 15% str prayer and an r2h is still less than 40, right? pretty easy to eat 2 sharks in the time it takes to swing an r2h. Plus a f2per will barely hit against p2p armor.

 

 

 

P2p's elite class (80s and above) would own every f2per. Considering almost all of f2p is level 60 and below, and most members are at least level 70, the war is almost over before it starts.

 

 

 

Organization:

 

I'm not even going to mention all the p2p clans and the very few f2p clans :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

HELL, if everyone in p2p with 40+ range was given the best crossbow and 500 best bolts they can use, the war would be over. Imagine all the 70+ rangers with d-stone (or at least rune) bolts.... f2p maxed out with all 15% pray, str pot, rune scim, power/str ammy, couldn't do whoop against rangers... or mages with melee pray on. Even if f2p uses protect from magic ice barrage/blitz still hits through it most of the time.

[wasssup]

the majority of p2p can take the mountains of lvl 3s without a scratch, seeing as we wouldnt even need a spec. and they couldnt even touch us through the armour

[bubbyjoe2]

p2p wins. F2p weapons are so horrible... takes forever to kill anybody. Consider This: Full rune with r2h or Rune scim vs. Full barrows/dragon with a whip. Seriously dude. Lobsters vs. sharks. it's OVER for the f2pers. f2p max hit with 99 str, str pot, str ammy, 15% str prayer and an r2h is still less than 40, right? pretty easy to eat 2 sharks in the time it takes to swing an r2h. Plus a f2per will barely hit against p2p armor.

 

 

 

P2p's elite class (80s and above) would own every f2per. Considering almost all of f2p is level 60 and below, and most members are at least level 70, the war is almost over before it starts.

 

 

 

Organization:

 

I'm not even going to mention all the p2p clans and the very few f2p clans :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

HELL, if everyone in p2p with 40+ range was given the best crossbow and 500 best bolts they can use, the war would be over. Imagine all the 70+ rangers with d-stone (or at least rune) bolts.... f2p maxed out with all 15% pray, str pot, rune scim, power/str ammy, couldn't do whoop against rangers... or mages with melee pray on. Even if f2p uses protect from magic ice barrage/blitz still hits through it most of the time.

 

 

 

What you don't realize is that not every member is a high level and has full barrows/ancients. Quite a few members are low levels who use bone spears and full H.A.M. robes.

 

 

 

Not that I'm saying Free players are battle-hardened warriors either. Look in any world, and many will have bad equipment (e.g. leather body and bronze pickaxe) However they have the strength of at least 20x larger numbers than P2P. Plus, a large amount of them ARE level 70+ with full rune/battle robes/d'hide. They just lack the wepons.

 

 

 

Consider this: the people that would desert members. They would either stay on members for "fear" of being killed if they left, or join the F2P side to help make a free game for everyone.

 

 

 

Why else would a member stay loyal? for the "honor" of having something that everyone else doesn't?

[wasssup]

Why else would a member stay loyal? for the "honor" of having something that everyone else doesn't?

yeah! and because i could kill all the traitors!

[ScubaZteve]

This is the stupidest idea I've ever heard.... :wall:

[sarg1010]

f

 

 

 

Members all the way :thumbup:

 

 

 

btw, when you said what memebers things would hurt f2p, you said dragon armor would, but that doesnt seem possible :P (im guessing you meant weapons?)

[Pirate_Felix]

G

 

if all the macroers fought F2P would win.

 

yah sure, stupid lvl 3's :lol:

 

one ice barrage kills 9 at a time

 

let em fite with their stupid wooden shields and bronze axes :lol:

 

maybe f2p will outnumber p2p, there are much more high levels in p2p... and p2p items>f2p items

[konzserwas]

There are 1 million members. But how many would fight for p2p? less than half I say, if not less. If they fight for members they are fighting to leave everything as it is. If they go to f2p side they're fighting to save that 5,9$ per month. Also, there are way more skillers in p2p than in f2p. So i say f2p wins and i wnt them to (don't remember the letter : )

[walka92]

why the hell in the rules of tis thread/war does it say barrows and dragon weapons, and ancients wont work? =\

 

thats just stupid

[highlanders]

P2P would win because F2Ps have no K.O. weapons. If they damage you, you simply eat. F2p can't hit high enough, fast enough, to K.O. someone. Members on the other hand have plenty of K.O. weapons, and K.O. is really all that matters in these kinds of things.

 

 

 

But notice how F2P has about ten times the numbers as P2P.

 

 

 

Isn't this the same case as scimitar ws 2h, more hits vs tougher hits?

 

 

 

And players like the scimitar more.

 

 

 

Think of it also as 10 level 40s vs a level 138.

 

Again, even if there's like 20 f2ps hitting 2's on you, you just eat. The only reason you'd die is if you just stand there doing nothing. Somebody with a godsword can 1 hit most f2ps, whips would just rip through them too, they wouldn't even have time to eat their silly f2p food.

 

 

 

And the lvl 138 would completely destroy 10 level 40's. Just play a game of castlewars, you'll see, and that's not even close because the 10 level 40's would be f2p aswell. The level 138's just annihilate everything effortlessly, including the levels 100+.

[Ouchy]

I remember this thread back in 2006, the posts weren't as pointless as these ones #-o .

 

 

 

Anyway, it would probably end up to be P2P now. They have so much content at the moment that could wack F2P out. God swords, summoning, Third Age, just to name a few.

[Piscis_Rex]

K

 

 

 

just imagine all the lag :ohnoes:

[Nenga]

Members would win. Godsword + bandos = pwnage Ice barrage/burst + ahrims = pwnage.

 

 

 

F = FTW. There is no way members would lose unless the f2p J mods cheated.

[warrior5024]

Everyone keeps saying "WTF" "pointless." I find these topics fun.

 

Well, everyone says "Ancients will win." well, how many members regularly use ancients? Most would equip their torso, verac skirts, whips, and beat the hell outa f2p anyways. A Rune 2-hander can't easily strike a hit on anything with 150+ defence, nevertheless 200+. Also, rune and dragon hide can't withstand dragon weapons, or even powerful magical spells.

 

This battle could be 10:1 free, members, but members would pull through.

 

I think this would be cool to see, minus the bans and the whole "have to pay if f2p loses."

[killerbeer0]

P2P generally has higher level players. F2P would get massacred.

 

 

 

EDIT: And my god it would be fun.

[Remadin]

P2p would win and I would want them to. This would obviously never happen because Runescape (Andrew Gower and co.) are happy with their earnings I would expect. About 10M a month seems pretty good money to me; they wouldn't want to take the risk. 8-)

 

 

 

- Rem.

 

=D>

[The Observer]

F2Ps might be able to win. Consider it... 6 million F2P players versus 1 million P2Pers. If they all mass together..

[Seogege]

Hah, there are more than 1 million members now. ;)

 

 

 

Concerning my answer, I'll give it to you straight. I'm all for P2P so I'll choose F. Here are my reasons:

 

 

 

1) Members, of course, will have more active accounts. Tell me, how many people just leave an account sitting there, $5 going away for nothing every month? This makes the F2P numbers basically useless. Autoers that were banned would be of no use, and the skillers and secondary accounts would be too low leveled to make any significant change to the end of the war.

 

 

 

2) Members have far superior weapons and armor. For example, 4, 5 or even 6 level 60-70's with full rune up against a single level 110+ with dharoks and protection prayers will loose. The reason being, I was once a level 65 with full rune and a dlong, and lemme tell you, the dragon didn't help much. Hit a few 0's, a 5 and bam he hit a few 30+'s. Death almost instantaneously.

 

 

 

3) Members have one of the biggest mass hitting attacks, Ice Barrage. Think of how many Castlewars goers have Ice Barrage. Now think, remember getting hit a 25, 30, 25, then dying when you were still level 70 at Castlewars? Yup, you were ownt by a bunch of Ancients wearing Ahrims right? Yup. 'Nuff said.

 

 

 

Here's a scenario for you guys to contemplate:

 

 

 

Level 100 P2P vs. Level 126 F2P

 

The P2Per could use a dark bow and dragon arrow spec to kill the 126 easily, with the F2Per only able to hit a single 10 or 20. These hits could easily be healed with a pot or a shark or two. End result, F2P pwnt.

 

 

 

8 million people level 60-70 with rune you know would own you. 8-)

 

 

 

Yes, I'm so sure that all the F2Pers have full rune and are level 60-70. :roll: I'd say the average level of F2Pers (just my estimate) is no higher than 40. Maybe even lower. Sorry F2P folks. :twisted:

[Peronix]

Between godswords, whips, ddses, summoning familiars, ancients... ect, P2P would win easily. Not to mention there are a lot more higher levels in P2P versus F2P. Most of the "numbers" in f2p are just newbs that would make a negligible contribution to the fight.

[Fairness]

Ok, let's produce an analysis about this since this wretched topic managed to get 4 pages on my setting.

 

 

 

The battle has to take place on a F2P world since F2P can't go on member worlds. Now people couldn't use member stuff on F2P, but then this battle would be a stupid idea so let's just say that people couldn't use weapon specials and couldn't use prayers that F2P can't, plus they couldn't use summoning as giving a whole members skill to members in F2P would be pretty stupid. Also, every single member account and every single F2P account participates, led by a real human, no matter how fail they are, in this fictional battle.

 

 

 

In ideal case:

 

 

 

A level 100 F2P who concentrates on melee has high combat stats all-around or a 99 (or possibly two) with the other stat(s) low. Prayer could be 43 without problems. Probably has full rune and rune scimitar, with even a rune 2h if he really is outfitted for PKing. Inventory full of lobsters or swordies.

 

 

 

If he has good mage levels, or if we substitute this guy with a mage with decent to good defense, he could have full blue/black wizard robes with an air staff (probably). He can cast Fire Blast, with optional Bind runes. Prayer also 43. Inventory full of lobsters or swordies.

 

 

 

If a melee ensues, with at least 100 members (all of which are good or at least capable to hold his own against a high-level F2P, which is pretty unrealistic as there are low level members as well) and 400 F2Pers, of which two hundred are of the above kind and two hundred are lower levels (which is still unrealistic but maybe not so much as the above), from, let's say 30-60, and might not fight as intelligently as higher levels, I'm sure the F2Pers would win with heavy losses. In small numbers members could win because of quality, but in higher numbers the fact that 4 F2Pers are striking 1 member on average at the start spells pretty much doom for members - that could be somewhere around 30 if all hit and deal crap damage, or if only a few hit and deal good damage. (With one or two affected by protect prayer) And in reality, some members might get piled on by 6-7+ while weaker ones will be more left alone till the end. On the other hand a F2Per has a 1:2 chance to be attacked at all, if we assume each member can hit two F2Pers at once with magic, and none of them overlap. (and that all of them use area-of-effect magic at once, which is again pretty unrealistic)

 

 

 

In summary of this battle, a few dozen members will get taken out quick because they get piled upon - and other than dealing higher damage on average than F2Pers, members cannot reproduce this. Even if they could find a few higher level F2Pers to pile upon, it wouldn't be so devastating as it would still take a few rounds to kill him (he can eat) and four losses are required to offset one member loss. Eventually, I estimate about 150 to 200 F2Pers remaining at the point when there are 20 surviving members, which is much more dangerous and hopeless than the expected 80. No question that F2P wins then.

 

 

 

If we allowed the use of everything to members, then there would be again no question that members would win, with summons boosting their numbers etc. But since members have to go on a F2P world this is even more impossible than this whole scenario at all.

 

 

 

And to dissipate a few other myths: no use comparing 1 member to 1 F2P - it's all about quantity.

 

Do not remember the (great) movie 300 while replying to this thread - while the Spartans had the advantage of being in a narrow place where they could not be surrounded (until that bit of treachery) there is nothing of this sort whatsoever here. Imagine, rather, a fully armed knight getting pulled down from his horse and getting pitchforked by an angry mob of hostile peasants.