I honestly wouldn't care if they allowed RWT. I play the game because I like it. If someone wants to waste their money on buying gold that's their stupidity. Would just make me feel that much better about getting levels on my own without buying them. Blizzard says they enforce it but they really don't enforce it against the people that buy, just the sweat shops that sell.

Where's the Handicapper General when you need her? We need to smash some computers that are better than ours. :evil:

 

 

 

Literary references, here in Tip It? Please, we all know none of the players of RS read! Tenar, for example, told me that in all her years of playing no one ever knew where her name was from. :ohnoes:

 

 

 

Full screen mode people will have a slight advantage but I wouldn't worrry about it...yet. Us low detail people will only get screwed if Jagex introduces features in full screen that can't be used in low detail regular mode, which hopefully they will never do.

Whether or not the new graphics will give players who can use them an advantage is debatable. They may simply have a more pleasing game experience.

 

 

 

The bigger problem with RWT was not that players who could afford to buy items and money had an advantage over other players (though they certainly did), it was the other problems that RWT caused like the issues with stolen credit cards. I remember reading an interview with a Runescape developer who likened the situation to prostitution - the crime that comes along with it is worse than the original problem.

 

 

 

^ This.

 

 

 

The truth is, RWT is probably beneficial to the game by itself. Players who enjoy earning money through grinding can do so and have an outlet for their extra money, that will benefit them in real life. Players who contribute more in the real world, and thus have less leisure time to play this game, will still be able to enjoy it to some extent. The damage caused by "unfair advantages" is more or less irrelevant. People who have more leisure time in real life have an indisputable advantage over those who work 48 hours a week, feed a family of 5, and spend the majority of their remaining time on house care.

 

 

 

However, RWT also encourages other behavior. Macros, while contributing to the economy, detracts from the work of others by stopping them from being able to earn what they SHOULD earn for enduring boring tasks. Wood cutters deserve a certain amount of money for their logs because no one else is willing to do it. Macros take away from this. Also, criminal behavior in real life to pay for the membership is encouraged, as shown by the credit card fraud problems.

The damage caused by "unfair advantages" is more or less irrelevant. People who have more leisure time in real life have an indisputable advantage over those who work 48 hours a week, feed a family of 5, and spend the majority of their remaining time on house care.

 

 

 

But the question is, where does Jagex draw the line? Are you saying they should just allow any unfair advantages since Runescape is already "unfair"? It's farfetched to limit a player's gaming time but reasonable to disallow RWT, especially in a competitive game like this. That's common gaming etiquette.

 

 

 

Also, you didn't add how the people who put in more hours are still putting in work whereas RWTers can just trade in $500 which they didn't even work for. Making money in Runescape and only in Runescape ensures that you truly and fairly reached the accomplishment. No matter how many hours you can pull off, the work is all that truly matters.

Full screen mode will not really make much of a differance. Sure, you may see a few little things others do, but not enough to make a differance.

Wow your logic is just...beyond horrible.

 

 

 

So firstly you're saying we need to even out the advantage of adding a full screen option by Jagex selling gold. Now, wouldn't that create another advantage of rich kids who can buy 500M? What about rich kids who have full screen and unlimited gold, they have a double advantage?

 

 

 

Secondly, if the kids don't have a computer to meet the requirements, and they can't afford a $60 graphics card, what makes you think they can afford to buy gold? At old prices, I think it was $5 per 1M. Now 1 graphics card would be the same as 12M. You can't even buy a gs with that money, don't exactly see how this evens out the advantage...which there wont even be any.

The damage caused by "unfair advantages" is more or less irrelevant. People who have more leisure time in real life have an indisputable advantage over those who work 48 hours a week, feed a family of 5, and spend the majority of their remaining time on house care.

 

 

 

But the question is, where does Jagex draw the line? Are you saying they should just allow any unfair advantages since Runescape is already "unfair"? It's farfetched to limit a player's gaming time but reasonable to disallow RWT, especially in a competitive game like this. That's common gaming etiquette.

 

 

 

Also, you didn't add how the people who put in more hours are still putting in work whereas RWTers can just trade in $500 which they didn't even work for. Making money in Runescape and only in Runescape ensures that you truly and fairly reached the accomplishment. No matter how many hours you can pull off, the work is all that truly matters.

 

 

 

No it doesn't. Pre RWT updates, I could trade 500M to my friend. He did not reach the accomplishment "truly" or "fairly".

 

 

 

The fact of the matter is that it doesn't matter AT ALL because there are TONS of ways to get huge amounts of money or XP you didn't earn.

 

 

 

You kill 2 Mithril Dragons and get 2 dragon full helmets.

 

Someone dies in front of you and drops 3 party hats.

 

Your friend gives you 200m cash when he quits.

 

Someone sells you thousands sharks for 150 gp each because he's unaware of their value.

 

 

 

All of these have the same effect as if you went out and bought 50m cash: You now have a massive gain in money that you didn't work at all for.

 

 

 

Jagex disallowed RWT for one simple reason: RWT creates problems to an extent that the others don't. When there's real money involved, people are more likely to macro or break real world laws. People get scammed when they try to trade real world money for Runescape money or vice versa.

 

 

 

There are many, many ways for people to attain achievements without working for them. The only reason Jagex chose specifically to outlaw this one form of it is because it creates too many other issues.

Wow your logic is just...beyond horrible.

 

 

 

So firstly you're saying we need to even out the advantage of adding a full screen option by Jagex selling gold. Now, wouldn't that create another advantage of rich kids who can buy 500M? What about rich kids who have full screen and unlimited gold, they have a double advantage?

 

 

 

Secondly, if the kids don't have a computer to meet the requirements, and they can't afford a $60 graphics card, what makes you think they can afford to buy gold? At old prices, I think it was $5 per 1M. Now 1 graphics card would be the same as 12M. You can't even buy a gs with that money, don't exactly see how this evens out the advantage...which there wont even be any.

 

 

 

You misread the post.

 

 

 

His point is that Jagex advertises the rule incorrectly. Jagex tries to say that the reason RWT is illegal is that it provides unfair advantages based on your real life status and they feel your real life status should NOT be tied to the game.

 

 

 

However, with this update, your real life status GREATLY affects how you play the game such as wehther you can use the full screen or high detailed versions.

 

 

 

That's not really accurate, seeing as there were many factors before, such as amount of leisure time, or quality of internet connection. But in either case, the point still stands. Your real life status DOES affect your ability to perform in Runescape, making that "purpose" of the rule moot.

Whether or not the new graphics will give players who can use them an advantage is debatable. They may simply have a more pleasing game experience.

 

 

 

The bigger problem with RWT was not that players who could afford to buy items and money had an advantage over other players (though they certainly did), it was the other problems that RWT caused like the issues with stolen credit cards. I remember reading an interview with a Runescape developer who likened the situation to prostitution - the crime that comes along with it is worse than the original problem.

 

 

 

^ This.

 

 

 

The truth is, RWT is probably beneficial to the game by itself. Players who enjoy earning money through grinding can do so and have an outlet for their extra money, that will benefit them in real life. Players who contribute more in the real world, and thus have less leisure time to play this game, will still be able to enjoy it to some extent. The damage caused by "unfair advantages" is more or less irrelevant. People who have more leisure time in real life have an indisputable advantage over those who work 48 hours a week, feed a family of 5, and spend the majority of their remaining time on house care.

 

 

 

However, RWT also encourages other behavior. Macros, while contributing to the economy, detracts from the work of others by stopping them from being able to earn what they SHOULD earn for enduring boring tasks. Wood cutters deserve a certain amount of money for their logs because no one else is willing to do it. Macros take away from this. Also, criminal behavior in real life to pay for the membership is encouraged, as shown by the credit card fraud problems.

 

No, just no. You have to realise that this is where sweatshops begin. Suddenly people don't have any choice but to play a game to feed their family, and then the real life value of a RS coin starts to plummet as more and more people get sucked in and make more and more bots. Not only that, inflation sets in and people want more RS gold for the same amount. The grip gets tighter and tighter and ruins their lives.

 

I think that despite Jagex's claims about 'unfair advantages', that wasn't the problem for them. The credit card fraud would shut down the game completely, and then RWTers don't get their income and the legitimate players don't get their game and Jagex goes down the pan. With RWTing, everybody loses.

I doubt that full screen will allow you to see more of the map than you would in normal, you'll just see it bigger. And jagex cannot allow rwt because the rwt companies use stolen credit cards to pay for membership and when they're caught Jagex has to refund them.

You might want to edit the title; it's starting to give people the wrong idea.

You make my head hurt :wall:

You make my head hurt :wall:

 

 

 

No suprise in that, because he's self-proclaimed genius with IQ over +160, and he also claims only intelligent people were those who hanged around w2 falador park, and also blaims rwt updates for mass intellgence drop in runescape because merchants left runescape. If he only knew there are some merchant who have enough IQ to figure out that you can also use grand exchange to merchant... :-k

Q: Why shouldn't we allow rwt?

 

A: All those with money IRL will get a lot of money in RS. This makes those with a lot of money in IRL who plays RS will be able to level up and do quests and other things in the game much faster. This won't make the game fair.

You might want to edit the title; it's starting to give people the wrong idea.

 

Agreed, the title is misleading and doesn't refer correctly to the argument at hand.

Your totally wrong! Granted if you could buy gp with real life money people would do it all the time and people that are rich, rich (like get 1,000 dollars a week to spend on anything) probley will be higher on the hi-scores list then someone who gets an allowance of $20 a week. Now anyone with a computer and internet isn't dirt poor living on the streets. I'd bet that about 95%+ of runescape players have an iPod, T.V. in there own room, cell phone, Xbox 360/PS3 with a couple hundred dollars worth of games, go to school every year with a 50-100 dollar pair of shoes on and a couple hundred dollars worth of clothes. Now anyone who is in the top 1,000 of the hi-scores list obviously likes the game enough to play 5 hours a day and more on weekends. (Now don't give me all this bull about how much they play because if you do the math you'll probley find that they play even more...) Now just because you have a thousand dollars to spend on gp doesn't take away the fact that you still need to play the couple hundred hours a year to get where they are. Now lets say there are people who have old computers playing on dial-up and live in a crappy house, wear crappy clothes and really have nothing, but LOVE runescape. Now if there > 18 the last thing they should be worrying about is runecrafting natures when they should be working to try and get out of the crappy life style, and anyone < 18 who is 'poor' probley shouldn't be worrying about doing barrows tonight but where there going to get money to get a car.

 

 

 

Now your prolbey going to yell at me about the middle class people that have "an iPod, T.V. in there own room, cell phone, Xbox 360/PS3 with a couple hundred dollars worth of games, go to school every year with a 50-100 dollar pair of shoes on and a couple hundred dollars worth of clothes, and a $20 a week allowance" and how there going to get "jipped" out of spaces on the hi-score list because they just can't afford it... Well tell them to not to buy a new fifty dollar game that they'll never pick up a week later and spend it on runescape. I mean if they really like'd the game then they wouldn't mind spending money on it.

 

 

 

*Hold up anti-flame shield with one hand and a double ball mace in the other* Come on and get meh!

The RWT'ing was a serious problem and bringing it back would make Runescape close down. Why you ask? Well, the reason trading and the pk'ing concept was removed is that the people who did the IRL trading used false credit card numbers to buy gold and items, and this affected the distributers of the credit cards. The companies threatened Jagex to do something about, or they would sue Jagex.

 

 

 

So if you brought RWT in, Runescape would close down, and nobody would gain anything at all.

 

So, good job Jagex.

 

 

 

I'd rather have RWT and pking than no pking, but whatever. It's still a great game, either way.

 

 

 

You do have pking.

The RWT'ing was a serious problem and bringing it back would make Runescape close down. Why you ask? Well, the reason trading and the pk'ing concept was removed is that the people who did the IRL trading used false credit card numbers to buy gold and items, and this affected the distributers of the credit cards. The companies threatened Jagex to do something about, or they would sue Jagex.

 

 

 

So if you brought RWT in, Runescape would close down, and nobody would gain anything at all.

 

So, good job Jagex.

 

 

 

I'd rather have RWT and pking than no pking, but whatever. It's still a great game, either way.

 

 

 

You do have pking.

 

 

 

Someone quoted Paul on saying something along the lines of:

 

 

 

'Well, you can have the new trade limits and keep the game for a long time or you can have PKing and duelling back, meaning the game will have to be shut down in 6 months.'

 

 

 

So yeah, 6 months. That's how bad RWT was. Stop complaining. You won't get it back. Go play Everquest or Guildwars. :roll:

Ok, do any of you actually remember what it was like before? Bots EVERYWHERE, it was like a flood in F2P Lumbridge, could find a free Yew anywhere.

 

 

 

RWT is against the rules of a game they made, why should others get money off their product? If kids like you and me didnt buy RWT stuff, then they wouldnt have had to go for the dramatic, kill kill kill approach

Title is irrelevant to topic. The new graphics is irrelevant to RWT. And your post makes no sense.

 

 

 

The reason Jagex does not sell gold on its website is to create a sort of fairness. Selling gold on the website does not seem like discriminating against the poor, it seems like the company is corrupt or mentally challenged in some way.

I'd rather have RWT and pking back and have the game shut down in 6 months than play like this. Why? This way I won't play at all. Selfish? I think I speak for a lot of people here.

 

 

 

Before people will cry to their mothers about this post, yeah, I'm not being 100% serious. Merely about... 50%.

I'm guessing the OP knows nothing of economics? I haven't even taken an econ class yet and i can tell you rwt would cause one major problem: inflation.

 

 

 

When everybody has 500 million in gold, we aren't going to be selling full rune for 200k, its gonna be 200 million, and what happens to that f2p person that just started who couldn't make 200 million if they had a year? They would leave, and then one by one lower levels would cut out, and people would stop joining, and runescape would experience negative population growth until nothing is reamining.

 

 

 

And at your remark of people having advantages irl? One of my friends is a classified genius and plays runescape. i would say he would have quite an advantage over the average 11 year old that decides to play. Basically in runescape this is what your calling for: http://instruct.westvalley.edu/lafave/hb.html

 

Sorry to tell you, wether its virtual or real life, somebody always has an advantage, there is always sombody faster, smarter, stronger, thats life, get used to it.

 

 

 

did u even understand what i'm saying.

 

i dont want rwt back :wall:

 

you can know all you want about 2nd year economics but its really not going to impress me.

 

http://www.pagetutor.com/idiot/idiot.html

It will lag aswell for the people with a good computer at the start, and that's a horrible idea tbh :P. Looking at the requirements you don't need an expensive computer to run it, so it's fine.

I'd rather have RWT and pking back and have the game shut down in 6 months than play like this. Why? This way I won't play at all. Selfish? I think I speak for a lot of people here.

 

 

 

Before people will cry to their mothers about this post, yeah, I'm not being 100% serious. Merely about... 50%.

 

I don't get what you're trying to say. I'm not going to flame you because I've probably taken the wrong message here. Are you saying that you would like the game to be shut down so you can't play it?

 

How does that make any sense?

You could then argue it's always been so. Rich = better computer/connection = less lag. Yet no topics are created about this.