Illegal.. or just not RWT

[lord_troyus]

Ok brief intro then simple question

 

 

 

I've looked around the rules and knowledge base on the Runescape website and i've found nothing that strictly says "Do not do this".

 

 

 

If you had an item, and you wanted to give it to your friend. You both entered bounty hunter knowing the risk, you died to him, he looted them item and then escaped. Is this illegal?

 

No RL cash was transferred, just you thought you could help out a friend. Plus i don't think this is breaking any runescape rules.

 

 

 

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[@Dan3HitU]

If you had an item, and you wanted to give it to your friend. You both entered bounty hunter knowing the risk, you died to him, he looted them item and then escaped. Is this illegal?

 

 

 

Not against rules, that's why ITEM LENDING was brought into the game so players could do it safely.

 

 

 

Personally, I can't wait until "shared banks" come into it :D

 

 

 

Sharing a bank with your best mate online would be awesome (doing it at your own risk, knowing he could run off with your items).

[lord_troyus]

Yes but it's not so much ITEM LENDING as... Item giving :

[x_bow80]

It dosen't matter that its your friend or not. When Jagex bans RL traders they don't say "Hmm maybe it was just his friend", they just do it.

 

 

 

And trying to do that is very hard, because most likely you would die in the process.

[lord_troyus]

You don't understand Xbow. There is no RL money being traded. Its purely me just giving an item away....

 

 

 

Plus.. i've already gave away 7m+ in BH in F2P to friends ... its not that difficult. I was just wondering if it was illegal.

[Brinner]

Jagex don't gives a rats arse.

 

 

 

How the hell would they know your giving it to your friend as opposed to selling it?

[Will H]

I remember having a discussion about this clever loophole before the forum rollback. Yep, it's technically legal, because there's no rule stating that allowing yourself to die purposely to another person you know is not allowed. It's the act of giving back real world benefits in exchange which is the real illegal part.

 

 

 

But, they can't tell whether you did something in the real world in exchange or not, and they will ban you. As warriorccc0 eloquently put it: Jagex doesn't give a rats arse.

[Mike_Ike111]

You don't understand Xbow. There is no RL money being traded. Its purely me just giving an item away....

 

 

 

Plus.. i've already gave away 7m+ in BH in F2P to friends ... its not that difficult. I was just wondering if it was illegal.

 

It most definitely illegal in Jagex's eyes. They can't see that you are not gaining any amount of RL cash, so they have no reason to doubt a ban.

[anim7]

its not illegal, but you can be unfairly banned for it. If you really want to give gifts, then make it look like a real battle. Put light armor on, eat food etc. You both fight and take 3-4 lobs. You run out of food. start walking toward exit and "die". Dont just stand there while your friend obliterates you.

[pryomancer]

You're not supposed to deliberately lose a minigame in order to allow someone else to loot your items. Therefore this is against Rule 4- Cheating/Bug Abuse.

 

It's not in the spirit of the game, and also the main way the RWT'ers use to sell gold, and you don't want to be associated with them do you.

[toast647]

Forgot to lock? :-w

[Michael]

You forgot something.

[pryomancer]

I wasn't going to lock it. :roll:

[toast647]

So you're telling him it's against the rules, he's admitting to it, and you're not going to lock the thread?

[kemikalkadet]

You're not supposed to deliberately lose a minigame in order to allow someone else to loot your items. Therefore this is against Rule 4- Cheating/Bug Abuse.

 

It's not in the spirit of the game, and also the main way the RWT'ers use to sell gold, and you don't want to be associated with them do you.

 

 

 

Well there's a fine line between cheating/bug abuse and emergent gameplay in this case. While it is clear that it's not intended to happen, and i'm positive Jagex doesn't want it to happen, i'd argue that it neither falls under bug abuse nor cheating.

 

 

 

Bounty hunter was designed to allow the transferral of items between players via one player killing another. There is always a risk of someone else killing you, if you rogue kill the chance greatly increases and the game becomes more dangerous. There's no game mechanic to ensure that every fight is between 2 equally geared players both trying to kill each other. It's no fault in the coding of the game etc. that allows someone to intentionally die to another person. I would classify it as bug abuse if Jagex added measures to prevent this, and then players found a way to get around it, but as it stands, no bugs are being exploited.

 

 

 

As for cheating (you didn't specify whether you thought this fell under cug-abuse or cheating so i'll assume you meant both), well the actual rules on the knowledgebase page R.E. cheating are slight and don't go into detail but the main points are bug abusing (already covered above) and gaining an unfair advantage. Now i'd see this being applicable if it's a main transferring to a pure, this has always been against the rules, and doing it via BH is no different to drop trading pre-trade limit etc. However if it is 2 players splitting a boss drop for example.. both players worked towards getting that drop, they are just using the mechanics of bounty hunter to split the loot. Nobody gains an unfair advantage as both players worked for the items.

 

 

 

So while it's clear that this isn't intentional and probably looked down on by Jagex, there's nothing explicit in the rules that forbids it. That being said, you'd have a hard time to prove that it isn't for RWT if Jagex does decide to bring the banhammer down.

[Sprout_teh_druid]

While it's not illegal, per-se, JaGeX might mis-identify it as RWT. As people have said, use item lending- if you can't lend it, more reason to make item lending expand to more things.

[999134]

Ok brief intro then simple question

 

 

 

I've looked around the rules and knowledge base on the Runescape website and i've found nothing that strictly says "Do not do this".

 

 

 

If you had an item, and you wanted to give it to your friend. You both entered bounty hunter knowing the risk, you died to him, he looted them item and then escaped. Is this illegal?

 

No RL cash was transferred, just you thought you could help out a friend. Plus i don't think this is breaking any runescape rules.

 

 

 

Views?

 

 

yes this is braking rule 4

[hippomchippo]

Ok brief intro then simple question

 

 

 

I've looked around the rules and knowledge base on the Runescape website and i've found nothing that strictly says "Do not do this".

 

 

 

If you had an item, and you wanted to give it to your friend. You both entered bounty hunter knowing the risk, you died to him, he looted them item and then escaped. Is this illegal?

 

No RL cash was transferred, just you thought you could help out a friend. Plus i don't think this is breaking any runescape rules.

 

 

 

Views?

 

 

yes this is braking rule 4

 

I don't see how this is ''braking'' the rules as it's not bug abuse, Dying isn't bug abuse.

[999134]

Ok brief intro then simple question

 

 

 

I've looked around the rules and knowledge base on the Runescape website and i've found nothing that strictly says "Do not do this".

 

 

 

If you had an item, and you wanted to give it to your friend. You both entered bounty hunter knowing the risk, you died to him, he looted them item and then escaped. Is this illegal?

 

No RL cash was transferred, just you thought you could help out a friend. Plus i don't think this is breaking any runescape rules.

 

 

 

Views?

 

 

yes this is braking rule 4

 

I don't see how this is ''braking'' the rules as it's not bug abuse, Dying isn't bug abuse.

 

rule 4 is cheating/bug abuse

 

you gain a unfair advantage by beign able to trade between your friends when other people cant

 

 

 

off topic:like my new smiley?

[Laura]

All transfers of items using player killing minigames is against the rules. Discussion of it in game should also be reported under Rule 9, Encouraging Others to Break Rules.

[pryomancer]

The whole Mod and Admin team have been told to take action when someone admits to transferring via Bounty Hunter.

 

This means warnings, bans, reports etc.

 

 

 

This is what Turtlefemm wrote about it:

 

At this time, it is considered cheating to deliberately lose a mini-game to transfer items to someone else. That would make it against Rule 4, Cheating/Bug Abuse of the Jagex rules. Jagex is likely keeping a pretty strict eye on BH practices; they worked hard to remove all of the real world trading and cheating that they could and unfortunately, whether people are "real world trading" or not, their actions aren't going to be seen any differently if they're using the bh game for reasons other than its intended purpose. The lootshare system might not thrill people, but it is the only legitimate way to transfer shared winnings. Trying to go around that is not fair game play, much as people may hate it.

[tintin113]

You don't understand Xbow. There is no RL money being traded. Its purely me just giving an item away....

 

 

 

Plus.. i've already gave away 7m+ in BH in F2P to friends ... its not that difficult. I was just wondering if it was illegal.

 

 

 

Jagex have no way of knowing whether it's your best buddy who lives nextdoor or some guy living over 9000 miles away, whether it's a guesture of goodwill, or whether money's involved. Due to so many updates to stop RWT, i doubt they're going to look well on someone using some deviant method to give items to another player. Whether it's illegal or not, if they find out the WILL ban you for it because from what they can see, it's just another case of RWT.

[pryomancer]

From JaGEx's point of view, it's better to just prohibit all unfair trading. This way they won't run the risk of poeple actually doing it, and then claiming 'oh it was a friend i was just letting them have it since they don't have much money'. Then that person carries on trading.

[HoMM88]

Any way to get past the trade limit is against the rules.

 

And Jagex can monitor BH transfers. But you could probably transfer to ur friend successfully, good luck. :thumbsup:

[Master_Smither]

Well Jagex gives you all a sort of substitute to pking and you abuse it :lol:. I'm glad they are making the new pvp where u get something equivelant instead of the persons items that way no way to rwt unless the rewards are fantastic then people might pay people to die but meh. But it's agianst the rules cause one of my friends got perm banned with 20 blk marks for it.