100% f2p - an achievement?

[fireeater235]

Wow, this is a tough one. I think that for most skills f2p have it a lot harder, but p2p have a lot more skills and things to occupy their time. For sure in my opinion f2p deserve a lot of respect for high lvl's in skills such as runecrafting & prayer and that they shouldn't just be overlooked because "...They still achieved the exact same thing. " as someone in p2p who could have done it a LOT faster.

 

 

 

On the other hand, p2p shouldnt be seen as a lot faster than f2p in all respects. I for one trained to 99 Defence with 70 attack and 70 strength at fire giants in cheap gear most hours getting under 30k exp, not that I think I deserve more respect because I did it that way but people shouldn't think that just because I'm a member it took me only a couple of weeks.

 

 

 

Also, skills that can be bought for the same cost in f2p and p2p(Cooking, Firemaking) are usually harder for a f2p player because they take longer to make the gp to buy the logs/fish.(also they dont have cooking gauntlets/firelighters etc.)

 

 

 

Overall I think f2p have it harder in most skills and that they deserve more respect for their 99's than the mebers who got the same 99 a lot faster and easier. But not all f2p train slower than all p2p and any 99 deserves respect, but is not something that should be bragged aboout no matter how you got it.

 

 

 

Sorry if I'm not making much sense but I'm just not the best at putting my thoughts into words. Don't flame, it's my opinion. :ohnoes:

[Danno385]

It is more of an achevement but not one worth bragging about. The only reason it is more of an achevement is that it involves less ways to train. Like for example in runecrafting members have farther runes and in fishing they have further fish more methods and more quests that give exp as a prise. I am in no way saying it is easy to get 99 in a skill as a member just simply say it is not as hard.

[drapit]

In your eyes, is getting x level in f2p more of an achievement than it is in members, and is being 100% f2p an achievement in itself?

 

 

 

I'd say no. Just because you got a level in f2p, like 99 fishing, does not mean it's more of an achievement than getting 99 fishing in a members world. Sure, the f2per might be more proud of their level, but they still achieved the exact same thing.

 

 

 

I'd say no to 100% f2p being an achievement too. Just because you achieved your levels with restrictions, doesn't mean that having those levels are more of an achievement than if someone got them in members. they're the exact same levels, and the exact same achievements.

 

 

 

NOTE: I'm not trying to bash f2pers, or start a flame war, so please don't turn this into a f2p bashing flamefest.

 

 

 

I think otherwise. Getting 99 fishing in a non-member community is definitely more difficult than acquiring it in a member's only world. You can hardly blame the F2Per for being proud since in comparison, much more time had been put into the skill in the case of the F2P.

 

 

 

Indeed, they still achieved the same thing. But the time and energy devoted to the skill is completely different. It's like asking a gravedigger to dig with a shovel and asking another gravedigger to dig with a spoon. They're two completely different instances, right? Yet this is the main difference in skill training between members and non-members.

 

 

 

Lets take fishing as an example. The only fishing spot nearest to the bank is on a deserted island that's bank-free. However, if you're paying 6 bucks per month, you get to use the Catherby fishing spot which boasts a nearby bank and even a hut with a stove! If you're a free player, you'll either have to drop all your fishes (which take time), or teleport to and fro (and waste money) to mar the efficiency of a member fisherman.

[Danno385]

Even in the matter of buying a skill it is harder beacause

 

1. When we kill things for money we don't get as good drops such as seeds from mossies

 

2. In the case of buying prayer they have alot more bones to bury and choose which would be the best for them.

 

3.Treasure trail scrolls?Forget about those in f2p.

 

 

 

It would be impossible to say it is easier in f2p and saying it is even is almost as much of a lie. Its like haveing 2 things to eat a rock, and a sandwich. Which will you finish faster? I wouldn't know my mom is a great cook but I would guess the sandwich would be eaten faster.

[drapit]

Even in the matter of buying a skill it is harder beacause

 

1. When we kill things for money we don't get as good drops such as seeds from mossies

 

2. In the case of buying prayer they have alot more bones to bury and choose which would be the best for them.

 

3.Treasure trail scrolls?Forget about those in f2p.

 

 

 

It would be impossible to say it is easier in f2p and saying it is even is almost as much of a lie. Its like haveing 2 things to eat a rock, and a sandwich. Which will you finish faster? I wouldn't know my mom is a great cook but I would guess the sandwich would be eaten faster.

 

 

 

Well said; good example. =D>

[InToxication]

I am 100% f2p, If I ever achieved a 99, I wouldn't see it as more of an achievement than a p2per with the same 99. We (in some cases) Choose to be f2p....So we are choosing the slower training route, we have no right to say "My 99 is better than yours" just because it took longer..Which is the only difference between a F2p 99 and a p2p 99 I believe...The time it took. :

[bcranger0]

Being 100% F2P is just a greater achievement for oneself. It boosts your pride that's all.

 

 

 

As for recognition from other players, it really doesn't deserve more. Any F2P players that achieves a 99 won't be wearing a skill cape anyways.

[Inuashakent]

Why wouldn't it be? Do yoou have any idea how hard it is to level in F2P?

[D Jay99]

Why wouldn't it be? Do yoou have any idea how hard it is to level in F2P?

 

Exactly. It's an achievement. A pointless achievement.

[Nel Tu Oderschvank]

Why wouldn't it be? Do yoou have any idea how hard it is to level in F2P?

 

Exactly. It's an achievement. A pointless achievement.

 

 

 

I think Forsakenmage, NJE03 etc. will be very sad when they hear that. :lol: Ok joking there~ I still feel that 100% f2p is an achievement in itself; as long as one doesn't go about asking for recognition about this then it's fine as it is. Most top f2pers are usually quiet and reserved and won't go about bragging (erm.. do they? :D )

 

 

 

Anyway, some players chose to challenge themselves to maxing out on f2p and in my opinion there's nothing wrong about it. Ultimately, there's nothing on paper that seperates a f2per's 99 and a p2per's 99 unless JAGeX decides to do something about it (e.g how much exp gained on f2p/p2p servers; it will be pretty complicated though).

 

 

 

I would say it's more of the player's own personal achievement than anything else. Still, I think the least that everyone can do is recognize this feat and not to flame/write disparaging remarks about it since it doesn't really affect other players in any way :?:

 

 

 

Come on, be nice TIFers~ :D

[magician_xy]

I'M PURE F2P OMG I AM THE MOST AMAZING BECAUSE I GOT A HIGH F2P PRAYER LVL

 

 

 

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ahem... sorry about that.

 

 

 

I think there are some things in F2P that are definitely an achievement to get - prayer, for example. F2P get three types of bones to bury: regular, big, and monkey (and no F2P uses monkey bones, so really only two...). P2P gets ectofungus, houses with altars, and whatever else members get, along with many different types of bones. Therefore, I'd say it's an achievement to get 99 Prayer in F2P as opposed to P2P. Same result? Yes. Much, much harder? Hell yes. :D

[Kickthat]

In my opinion, you've asked the wrong question. Of course it's an achievement as everyone so far seems to have accepted that at the very least it is on a par with getting the same 99 in P2P.

 

 

 

I would have to say that I think it is more of an achievement however.

 

Although it could be argued that the extra skills that are available on members can often be a distraction from a 99 goal, you cannot ignore the fact that (some) skills take a LOT longer to raise on a F2P account.

 

 

 

I would certainly not argue that a F2P account maxed out deserves more respect than a P2P account maxed, but I would certainly give more respect to a F2P maxed account than a mediocre one in P2P with a higher total, wouldn't you?

[basiliko]

Is not taking a drug an achievement? Or how about not abusing your little siblings/pet dogs an achievement?

 

 

 

For some, F2P is a personal achievement for not getting tempted into paying $5 each month. For most, it is just a matter of battle between good and evil.

[technichien]

Why wouldn't it be? Do yoou have any idea how hard it is to level in F2P?

 

Exactly. It's an achievement. A pointless achievement.

 

thanks dj :(

 

i think getting total lvls *looks at sig* is harder to get in f2p then p2p simply because we have less skills to train, i mean what achievement is it to get 1k total in members (average of lvl 41,666...)? none, in f2p it get's challenging :)(average of 66, 666...)

 

25 lvls higher, so the correct answer is 'yes it is more of an achievement', but no, no use to brag around

 

EDIT: please note this is my opinion ;)

[D Jay99]

Why wouldn't it be? Do yoou have any idea how hard it is to level in F2P?

 

Exactly. It's an achievement. A pointless achievement.

 

thanks dj :(

 

i think getting total lvls *looks at sig* is harder to get in f2p then p2p simply because we have less skills to train, i mean what achievement is it to get 1k total in members (average of lvl 41,666...)? none, in f2p it get's challenging :)(average of 66, 666...)

 

25 lvls higher, so the correct answer is 'yes it is more of an achievement', but no, no use to brag around

 

EDIT: please note this is my opinion ;)

 

Nah trech you're hawt. But I just think you could be having way more fun in members, maybe do that after 1k total if it's an option for you?

[SirHartlar]

I think it is definitely an achievement, but if someone starts saying that getting a 99 in F2P is better than P2P because it takes longer then I would take issues with that. P2P opens up more gateways for training, if you pay you should be able to use them without people that don't pay criticising you.

[Wot]

I have to agree.

[obfuscator]

Absolutely. A different type of acheivement from the norm, but certainly an acheivement.

[ultimatballr]

I agree with you. No it is not an achievement. Just because a F2p cannot have members whether it be choice or not does not give them the right to judge p2p's because they DO in fact have members.

 

 

 

I read someone said they were told by a member about how they got 99 wc in a week (which is impossible a bit of an over exaggeration there.) and it took the f2p guy 3 years to get 99 with yews.. well first of all let me just say, you got 99 with YEWS! You chose to not spend a few months at willows in Draynor because the allure of money was to much for you.

 

 

 

That's like comparing 2 people who have 99 cooking. One got it with lobbies and sharks.. the other got it with anchovies and shrimp. Does the second person deserve more bragging rights because he use a slower method? If anything he deserves a good slap and stern talking to. No one in their right mind would do that.

 

 

 

Also what Eddo said is a great point as well. There are many more distractions in members so for one to actually grind a skill out all in one sitting is quite a feat in itself.

[syndrome445]

No, not any more of an achievement. I hate people who brag about being F2P. Bragging about getting a 99 skill is understandable, but saying that you are better because your road was harder is like saying "Hey, I just bought a Ferrari working at Pizza Hut!" Sure it took longer than if it would if you were a CEO, but is it really something to brag about?

[Bloodkay]

but saying that you are better because your road was harder...

 

I doubt that F2Per's actually state we're better than P2P because we're 100% F2P.

 

 

 

And I have to say, that obtaining high levels in F2P is, in it's own way, an achievement. I do not think that simply being 100% F2P is an achievement.

 

 

 

Why? Because (And I know it's been repeated a lot) we have limited ways to train our skills. It's more difficult to obtain higher levels, so of course we're going to imply that it's an achievement of some sort.

 

 

 

And how can we not? P2P have many experience-rich opportunities because they pay for them, and F2P (for whatever reason they chose) don't have access to the easier ways to train common skills.

[Fairness]

Well, we could also say getting 99 agility by catching a toy mouse over and over is an achievement, but it's just inefficiency. Same here. Whether you pay RS gold or real gold (as in the membership costs) is, to me, irrelevant in this aspect.

[Bloodkay]

Well, we could also say getting 99 agility by catching a toy mouse over and over is an achievement, but it's just inefficiency. Same here. Whether you pay RS gold or real gold (as in the membership costs) is, to me, irrelevant in this aspect.

 

 

 

I would think that as an achievement of sorts too. Many people would. What I'm trying to say is that many, many players see doing something difficult and obtaining great results is an achievement. And it doesn't have to be restricted to skills. For example, some would say obtaining a complete set of 3rd age armor from Treasure Trails is one. Or killing many Chompies to obtain multi-feathered headbands is another. Or obtaining 1000 diamonds through mining, or being a pure skiller, or simply maxing your skills, etc...

 

 

 

It all depends on the individual players' point of view. Some may think some things are achievements while others don't see it like that.

 

 

 

Wouldn't you agree?

[sees_all1]

I started playing sometime in 2005. For arguments sake, I'll say my character is 3 and 1/3 years old. Call it 40 months.

 

In that time, I could have spent around $200 for membership, faster training, better content, etc. I didn't. It was a personal thing - why pay for stuff that is free to me anyway. That's my own personal mentality. If I paid for a subscription, I'd feel compelled to play the game more, instead of pick it up for an hour, and leave it.

 

 

 

Being 100% f2p is not an achievement. However, there are things to consider when comparing stats from members to f2p.

 

 

 

First and foremost - a pure F2P has 1 agility. Every 7 seconds, they get 1% run back. This makes virtually all skills harder to train.

 

Secondly - Worlds are always much more crowded on F2P. There is less space on a F2P, less sites for training, etc. When training combat this makes a huge difference.

 

Third - Skills are much less "buyable." A good example would be prayer. Getting 99 prayer with F2P using BBs (350 ea) costs 303 million.

 

Fourth - We can only carry 28 items. In runecrafting - Members have pouches, BoBs, etc.

 

Last - Making money with F2P is [cabbage]. Probably most guides with "200k / hr + exp" or better are p2p only.

 

 

 

Oh, and as a side point - I value my 62 f2p only runecrafting, probably more than I value my 89 f2p only str. Something about being ranked around 90,000; with members having RC about 5 times easier makes me feel good. That's something you members can't take away from me :P