Anyone been to the Ogre Enclave lately?

[SixFootOne]

oh Geeze, here we go AGAIN.

 

 

 

People, instead of whining about the doom and gloom about the bots returning.. how about you guys REPORTING them? Jagex does ban bots, and several a day when it was really bad the past 2 times. Judging by the posts, seems like a semi-medium number has come up, and not the rather large number plaguing the yew trees, fishing docks, mage trees, and blue dragons.

 

 

 

One thing still bothers me though... Why only the dragons? And plus, the bots might be/will be killed come the pvp update.

 

 

 

I'm waiting until the update comes to pass judgment on this bot issue.

 

 

 

The problem with reporting them is they just come back. That was the reason jagex had to take all the steps to stopping rwt. They would ban someone or a group of people one day, and the next they were back. Most of these are not bots, they are Chinese workers so reporting for macroing doesn't do much, not to mention there is little evidence they are doing real world trading even though it is highly likely they are.

[Exodus_Flesh]

So these are all the new jobs China has been talking about.. ;)

 

 

 

Honestly, unless they figure out a way around RWT Blocks, I doubt we will have much of a problem any more.. Lets just hope they don't find a way around RWT..

[@Dan3HitU]

I'd really like to know what bots they use if they are autoers.

[Madmanpur3]

So these are all the new jobs China has been talking about.. ;)

 

 

 

Honestly, unless they figure out a way around RWT Blocks, I doubt we will have much of a problem any more.. Lets just hope they don't find a way around RWT..

 

 

 

Unless they are, for lack of better words (due to the censor), developmentally delayed...then they have already found away around the "RWT Blocks" seeing as it's not that hard.

 

 

 

And for whoever said once the pvp worlds come out we can just kill them.... #-o Yes, because we all know that they'll all just swarm to pvp worlds to kill their dragons or w/e it is they're doing so that it's 10000x harder than could be on a non-pvp world.

[saif]

gettin ready to xfer through new pvp

[@Dan3HitU]

gettin ready to xfer through new pvp

 

You can't.

 

But it's very easy to transfer through BH.

[Kepihan]

I see alot of people called O0oO0oO0oOo00oO and 'tings.'

[SixFootOne]

I see alot of people called O0oO0oO0oOo00oO and 'tings.'

 

Majority of people with 000oo0oo as their names were old pkers or stakers, perhaps they are just coming back in anticipation of the new pvp.

[HoMM88]

Are you guys really that oblivious as to how easy it is to transfer money via bounty hunter or the grand exchange? #-o JaGex didn't fix anything, and in fact only made it worse for the rule-abiding players.

 

 

 

So true.

 

 

 

BH transfer - f2p, med crater, so f'n simple

 

Party room - p2p would be better, gmaul/rune plate, works well if no noobs come

 

Shop method - slow but safe

 

Tzhaar "secret" method - fast, safe, but high loss.

[Sam]

I've seen a few around but really I don't think they have much of a purpose right now except for account selling -.-

[Lowgravity]

Account trading/selling doesn't work dummys :roll: .

[RSgamer]

The problem with reporting them is they just come back. That was the reason jagex had to take all the steps to stopping rwt. They would ban someone or a group of people one day, and the next they were back. Most of these are not bots, they are Chinese workers so reporting for macroing doesn't do much, not to mention there is little evidence they are doing real world trading even though it is highly likely they are.

 

 

 

and here's where I say.. This is why the game has player moderators. They can spot a name like gdghdgdg65 (made up) and gdghdgdg12 (made up) and be able to tell jagex that's a bot family, so they'll ban any name with "gdghdgdg" in its name.

 

 

 

Surely, people can see if its a gibberish name plus some numbers, they can find out it's a family bot. So,

 

if you spot some names, jot them down, and nudge a P-mod and game so they can tell jagex to ban them before they cause even more hrm.

[Shadow93]

jagex will now ban G.E and trading to fix this issue dont worry :^o

 

 

 

gasp, just think about not being able to trade anything

 

 

 

you'd have to craft your own runes

 

you'd have to fish your own food, then cook it to eat

 

you'd have to make your own pots from the herbs you find

 

you'd have to smith your own armor by mining, or worse, find it from rare boss drops

 

lvl 85 slayers would only be allowed to get more whips

 

 

 

what will RS become :ohnoes:

[SixFootOne]

The problem with reporting them is they just come back. That was the reason jagex had to take all the steps to stopping rwt. They would ban someone or a group of people one day, and the next they were back. Most of these are not bots, they are Chinese workers so reporting for macroing doesn't do much, not to mention there is little evidence they are doing real world trading even though it is highly likely they are.

 

 

 

and here's where I say.. This is why the game has player moderators. They can spot a name like gdghdgdg65 (made up) and gdghdgdg12 (made up) and be able to tell jagex that's a bot family, so they'll ban any name with "gdghdgdg" in its name.

 

 

 

Surely, people can see if its a gibberish name plus some numbers, they can find out it's a family bot. So,

 

if you spot some names, jot them down, and nudge a P-mod and game so they can tell jagex to ban them before they cause even more hrm.

 

 

 

"As the game has grown, the demand for gold has grown with it, so it is worth gold-sellers' time to make smarter bots. "We keep developing technologies to combat bots, but it's like an arms race we stop bots, they improve their macros, we stop them, they improve again," says Andrew. The longer we keep doing this, the harder it's going to be to keep stopping bots. "If we don't break that vicious cycle now, it would just keep getting worse and worse. It could reach a point where macro software becomes undetectable."

 

 

 

"Unfortunately, these methods are reactive find a problem then solve it and if we just react, we'll always be chipping away at a larger problem. Even if we spent every penny we earn on staff and systems to ban bots which would mean no game updates gold-sellers would still massively outnumber us. Mod Hobagoly says, "Every time we double our efforts, gold-sellers quadruple theirs. We can't continue only using our current methods, throwing more and more resources at it." The only way we can win is to be proactive and take the fight to them."

 

 

 

This is a quote from the dev diary of runescape vs real world item trading

 

 

 

Like i said even if you ban the whole group, they just make a stronger effort to to do it which is why banning does not work no matter who does it. So even if they ban everyone with that name, the people or bots who are doing it are still there. So they will come back with a different name player mods or jagex wont be able to do anything which is why they did this whole thing in the first place.

 

 

 

The point i am trying to get at is if you ban them they make a new name. And for anyone that is wondering there is

 

6,582,952,006,000,000,000 combinations of names give or take a few trillion, so the bots have plenty of more chances if they get banned.

[Dizzle229]

It's the same reason why people said the December 07 updates were a waste. RWT always finds a way.

[Omar]

I don't think Jagex is going to let them slip through long enough for them to cause extensive damage. They wouldn't let that be a waste - they sacrificed too much for it.

[SnWRifleman]

jagex will now ban G.E and trading to fix this issue dont worry :^o

 

 

 

gasp, just think about not being able to trade anything

 

 

 

you'd have to craft your own runes

 

you'd have to fish your own food, then cook it to eat

 

you'd have to make your own pots from the herbs you find

 

you'd have to smith your own armor by mining, or worse, find it from rare boss drops

 

lvl 85 slayers would only be allowed to get more whips

 

 

 

what will RS become :ohnoes:

 

 

 

It will become just a regular RPG game.

[wildy58]

They are preparing for the pk changes to come back. Unfortunately for them they are wasting their time because you wont get the drops of the person you kill. Fortunately for us they will disappear again a week or two once the pking comes back and they realise this.

 

 

 

I think you're 100% right, which makes me happy.

 

 

 

 

 

I disagree, they get drops valued the same as the person they killled items were, so they can take they're auto'ed items, say 15k pure ess, their bot friends will kill em, get an item valued around the same as 15k pure ess give or take mabye 100k, then sell the items from the trade. Buy back their essence. Owned jagex?

[Italian5kamikaze]

Account trading/selling doesn't work dummys :roll: .

 

 

 

Hm? One person gives the password, the other gives the money.

 

 

 

How does that not work 'dummy'?

[Smage]

 

I disagree, they get drops valued the same as the person they killled items were, so they can take they're auto'ed items, say 15k pure ess, their bot friends will kill em, get an item valued around the same as 15k pure ess give or take mabye 100k, then sell the items from the trade. Buy back their essence. Owned jagex?

 

 

 

 

We're creating generous drop tables based on factors like your levels and the impressiveness of the kill.

 

Source: http://news.runescape.com/newsitem.ws?id=1370

 

 

 

Not really. Unless you can predict the future and know the defination of impressiveness.

 

How do Jagex define impressiveness, is still unknown to us. Don't jump to conculsion so fast.

[Smage]

Account trading/selling doesn't work dummys :roll: .

 

 

 

Hm? One person gives the password, the other gives the money.

 

 

 

How does that not work 'dummy'?

 

 

 

Sorry to get in this mini discussion.

 

 

 

But, have you ever notice that when you log in into the log in screen, you will see a message "last login from XXXXXX IP address", it would be rather suspicous if 3 months the IP was at some part of China than suddenly it end up in the US. And for JAgex, sometimes they don't need evidence, suspicions is only enough.

[jettrider]

 

I disagree, they get drops valued the same as the person they killled items were, so they can take they're auto'ed items, say 15k pure ess, their bot friends will kill em, get an item valued around the same as 15k pure ess give or take mabye 100k, then sell the items from the trade. Buy back their essence. Owned jagex?

 

 

 

 

We're creating generous drop tables based on factors like your levels and the impressiveness of the kill.

 

Source: http://news.runescape.com/newsitem.ws?id=1370

 

 

 

Not really. Unless you can predict the future and know the defination of impressiveness.

 

How do Jagex define impressiveness, is still unknown to us. Don't jump to conculsion so fast.

 

 

 

I don't think we have to predict the future to do some simple guesswork. We know that you WILL get rewards based on kills. No matter how impressiveness is judged, RWT can generate it -- including wearing more expensive gear.

[Smage]

Duration of fight?

 

Spells cast?

 

Ammo use?

 

Total Damage Dealt?

 

Food used?

 

Spell used?

 

Weapon Used?

 

Armour Used?

 

 

 

How about, the idea I heard somewhere before (not mine, I forgotten who is it). When a person dies, he would drop a tombstone and the killer would [loot and destroy] the tombstone and get a reward.

 

 

 

You can be wearing 100m worth of stufts but is standing there doing zero dmg while your opponent kill you. Beside we never know how "generous" Jagex are, I still remember their 3k updates.

[Promise]

I don't think it's account sellers for two reasons:

 

 

 

There is always going to be a limited demand for actual accounts. Once you've bought the account from the person you don't want to buy another one when you decide to get a few more fishing levels for example.

 

 

 

Secondly people don't want to have Chinese sounding user names.

 

 

 

I still believe that its just naive Chinese gold farmers hoping to make some money when pking comes back. They will be very disappointed.

 

 

 

Why is everyone stereotyping China like its only big bad gold farmer?

[Mercifull]

Why don't people just sell to the RWTers and then use account recoveries to get it back? They'd soon go out of business then.

 

 

 

Why is everyone stereotyping China like its only big bad gold farmer?

 

Because it IS the main player according to a large study by Manchester University

 

http://www.sed.manchester.ac.uk/idpm/re ... i_wp32.pdf