Tormented Demon Drop Changes - (04-December-2008)

[krugtheorc]

so basically you're all complaining about how they always have to change things to provide a difficulty, and intervene in the drop tables because items were becoming so common, and the fact that they didn't change the drop rate on something you actually want.

 

 

 

ummm...guys...think if they never did this...you'd all be complaining the game is too easy, that the drop rates are messed up, and that you never get what you want. Everyone would be one iteming pvp with dragon claws, and while you might get a drop 1/1000 times, most of the time you'll drain most of their hp and they'll teleport away (which is another common complaint)

 

 

 

I believe that the best way to say it is that everyone will complain about everything because everything is not perfect to everyone. And thanks to anomynousity of the internet, you can say what you want, exactally what you feel, without a problem.

 

 

 

And i don't want to argue, because i'll never come to this thread again. I just hate complainers that can't realize that this is jagex's game, and for everything they do they have a reason. It's not like they take 4 days off on the week and pull this all together on friday...

[Mirror]

Yeah, it doesn't sound much of a change for me when it comes to killing them. And I've never had a dragon drop *yet* so this just makes it harder for me. Oh well, must keep truckin' for that beloved drop I am in search of.

[muggiwhplar]

This is what happens when Jagex forgets that the players, whose majority consists of 10-year-olds, are smarter than they are :wall:

[Golvellius]

Plates are falling in price Jesus Christ! I lost everything when I invested everything in screwing other people. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!

 

 

 

Somebody cries and Jagex nerfs it all to hell.

 

Imagine that. :roll:

 

 

 

Let me start crying.

 

My agility is useless!!!!!!!! Just get a terrorbird and you can run around forever. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

 

Nerf that to hell please. :pray:

[totalpwnage]

This isn't going to stop them from dropping. Its the fact that the smithing req is going to be 92 and its giong to be assistable. The drop rate was still a little high, and I agree with that -- but I still wanna know WHY THEY'RE LOWERING THE DPLATE REQ TO 92!

[Peronix]

Bah, again they release something and have to change it days later.

 

 

 

They should really reconsider an open test server. We tend to find a lot of glitches and unintended things in their updates mere hours after they're released, I think it would save them a lot of embarrassment if they let us take part in the testing phase. And a lot of money on the apparently useless QA team they have.

 

 

 

Yeah I know if they did that it could spoil the updates for people. That's why they could just add a new rule that outlaws spoilers, punishable by perma ban from the test server and possibly further consequences for the account. I'm sure if they made it a rule fansites like tif would be more than happy to enforce it.

[AGoodLay]

Making them range doesn't make them that much harder tbh. The only annoying now is the lower drop rate of the dplate pieces.

[wakka102]

thank god, maybe they will stop sinking so I can finally sell mine thats been on the GE for almost a week now.

[Mike_Ike111]

Plates are falling in price Jesus Christ! I lost everything when I invested everything in screwing other people. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!

 

 

 

Somebody cries and Jagex nerfs it all to hell.

 

Imagine that. :roll:

 

 

 

Let me start crying.

 

My agility is useless!!!!!!!! Just get a terrorbird and you can run around forever. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

 

Nerf that to hell please. :pray:

 

 

 

Wait. You do realize you can't sell any of the DPlate pieces on the GE for even lowest. Jagex didn't nerf it because people complained. They nerfed it because there were too many coming into the game.

[Ixindor]

This is what happens when Jagex forgets that the players, whose majority consists of 10-year-olds, are smarter than they are :wall:

 

 

 

QFT

[Golvellius]

Plates are falling in price Jesus Christ! I lost everything when I invested everything in screwing other people. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!

 

 

 

Somebody cries and Jagex nerfs it all to hell.

 

Imagine that. :roll:

 

 

 

Let me start crying.

 

My agility is useless!!!!!!!! Just get a terrorbird and you can run around forever. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

 

Nerf that to hell please. :pray:

 

 

 

Wait. You do realize you can't sell any of the DPlate pieces on the GE for even lowest. Jagex didn't nerf it because people complained. They nerfed it because there were too many coming into the game.

 

 

 

You do realize that you can't sell a spectral shield at min.

 

Is that because there are too many coming into the game?

 

The reason you can't sell is that same idiots who were making a killing on dropping pieces ran around in this forums, other fansites, and the official forums proclaiming they are too easy to get.

 

So, the lightbulb in quite a few of the money grubbers goes on and they go "OH %*&@!" and plunk all their horded pieces in the GE at once.

 

And of course, thanks to Jagex's lovely price control system (err trade system..rofl), the price won't drop fast enough or not any at all to keep them selling.

 

And thus the market is frozen and if you check the official forums you will see all this "OMFG DPLATE can't SELL!" crap.

 

Finally, another fine update is terded up because you know Jagex won't do an extra inch of work unless somebody moans.

 

You'd have Summoning version one if people hadn't cried and you know it to. ;)

 

The dragon plate doesn't need to be rare, doesn't need to be 30 mil, it needs to be enjoyed.

 

Afterall, updates are meant to be enjoyed not horded up.

[wakka102]

Plates are falling in price Jesus Christ! I lost everything when I invested everything in screwing other people. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!

 

 

 

Somebody cries and Jagex nerfs it all to hell.

 

Imagine that. :roll:

 

 

 

Let me start crying.

 

My agility is useless!!!!!!!! Just get a terrorbird and you can run around forever. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

 

Nerf that to hell please. :pray:

 

 

 

Wait. You do realize you can't sell any of the DPlate pieces on the GE for even lowest. Jagex didn't nerf it because people complained. They nerfed it because there were too many coming into the game.

 

 

 

You do realize that you can't sell a spectral shield at min.

 

Is that because there are too many coming into the game?

 

The reason you can't sell is that same idiots who were making a killing on dropping pieces ran around in this forums, other fansites, and the official forums proclaiming they are too easy to get.

 

So, the lightbulb in quite a few of the money grubbers goes on and they go "OH %*&@!" and plunk all their horded pieces in the GE at once.

 

And of course, thanks to Jagex's lovely price control system (err trade system..rofl), the price won't drop fast enough or not any at all to keep them selling.

 

And thus the market is frozen and if you check the official forums you will see all this "OMFG DPLATE can't SELL!" crap.

 

Finally, another fine update is terded up because you know Jagex won't do an extra inch of work unless somebody moans.

 

You'd have Summoning version one if people hadn't cried and you know it to. ;)

 

The dragon plate doesn't need to be rare, doesn't need to be 30 mil, it needs to be enjoyed.

 

Afterall, updates are meant to be enjoyed not horded up.

have you ever fought them before the update? I myself had 1 drop (and I have VERY aweful luck) and I have some friends that managed to get 5+ solo drops in 2 days! That doesn't even include the teams of 2 or more people probably getting double that. Every world was also packed with players. The reason prices fell was because they drop was common like the person you quoted stated. Now that the drop rate/difficulty has changed, the prices will halt very soon and maybe rise a bit depending on how rare much rarer the drop has become. First off the GE was to drain of its current bulk of Dragon Metal Pieces (mine included ;) ) and then they will start to sell and stabilize. I knew this exact thing would happend the moment I saw the flood of drops people were getting in forums such as the "Rate This" board here on Tip.it.

[Wachtwoord]

If they only did it before they were unsellable junk...

[Tijger2099]

Assuming I'm still 49 quests away from 270QP I've never been able to enjoy the marvelous drop rates at the Tormented Demon, so luckily I don't feel any direct effects from this update.

 

 

 

I expect this will make the prices of the platebody/claw related items either way go back up or at least stabilize, making it still worth killing when I complete the quest in about, 2 years? (a)

[wioneo]

I just went in for my first solo trip today(and brought pony scrolls but forgot a pouch :wall: ), and they seemed ridiculously easy to kill considering that I had no experience whatsoever. I personally got 3 kills with an inventory of sharks and whacking the damn thing with darklight for about 5 minutes before I realized the noob was praying...

 

 

 

If they were easier to kill than they are now, then it is a very, very, good thing that they made a change.

 

 

 

Also, what's the point of not safespotting them while you're ranging? Just saves you from switching to melee pray as much...

[walka92]

Its a step in the right direction, but i also believe they should have made d claws morecommon aswell, and also made the demons a bit tougher defence wise.

 

 

 

+1

 

 

 

d claws more common=lower price =P~

 

 

 

That's what I don't want. #-o

 

who gives a [bleep] about what you want, dragon claws are WAY over priced

[Cha0sx]

The only reason dragon claws are so overpriced is because the demand is immense, and it is an amazing item.

 

 

 

The drop rate isn't that bad; I got one after a short while and I have heard of people getting multiple per day soloing them.

[ReapMe]

they should adjust manually go in and adjust the ge price of the claws so i can buy without having 3rd age :-#

 

otherwise it'd be like 2 months before it got to the street price

[BloodArgon]

I wonder why the pieces were so popular glad to know it was a mistake. I'm glad they are harder to kill now which meens more team killing and that meens more claws in the GE from cs :D

 

Just went there, they are not harder to kill as before. At least not if you fight them face to face like I do. (I can still stay there for 2 hours with unicorn).

 

 

 

so again, in a big font:

 

 

 

They are right the same to kill as before, as long as you dont use safespot and prayer switch like you should! Drops are rarer now though.

 

 

 

I agree, i killed them face to face, so nothing has changed for me. They need beeing up def wise, damage wise and maybe make them switch attacks more often. Probably the only way to really make them tougher.

 

Mod Benny

 

Jagex Mod

 

04-Dec-2008 17:00:54

 

 

 

We have made a couple of changes to the behaviour and drop tables of the tormented demons. Due to the layout of the area they are in, they didn't behave the way we had planned, and a knock-on effect of this was that they became a lot easier to defeat. We also made an error when we calculated how many demons players would normally be able to kill over a certain period of time, which resulted in the dragon platebody parts being dropped at a more frequent rate than we had intended. To fix these problems, and to balance the demons to our initial design, the following changes have been made:

 

 

 

• [*:2i2nzgpt]The demons will behave more appropriately against Ranged and Magic attacks, and not try to use melee attacks if the opponent is attacking them from a distance.
   
   
   
  [*:2i2nzgpt]The drop chances of the individual dragon platebody pieces have been reduced to give the drop rate we intended, considering the frequency at which they are killed.

 

 

 

Congratulations on telling us the obvious in huge font!

 

It says DROPS ARE RARER and they will attack you better in a safespot. I dont know what they were doing before, but I saw people using range and corner hopping. They are now harder in that aspect.

 

 

 

No where does it say their armor is beefed up or their attacks are stronger...

[Star_Fox]

Its a step in the right direction, but i also believe they should have made d claws morecommon aswell, and also made the demons a bit tougher defence wise.

 

 

 

+1

 

 

 

d claws more common=lower price =P~

 

 

 

That's what I don't want. #-o

 

who gives a [bleep] about what you want, dragon claws are WAY over priced

 

 

 

 

 

and who gives a [cabbage] about what YOU want? if people are willing to pay millions for a pair of d claws, then it's not overpriced. because people know the strength of the special and how much it's worth to them.

[bedman]

I wonder why the pieces were so popular glad to know it was a mistake. I'm glad they are harder to kill now which meens more team killing and that meens more claws in the GE from cs :D

 

Just went there, they are not harder to kill as before. At least not if you fight them face to face like I do. (I can still stay there for 2 hours with unicorn).

 

 

 

so again, in a big font:

 

 

 

They are right the same to kill as before, as long as you dont use safespot and prayer switch like you should! Drops are rarer now though.

 

 

 

I agree, i killed them face to face, so nothing has changed for me. They need beeing up def wise, damage wise and maybe make them switch attacks more often. Probably the only way to really make them tougher.

 

Mod Benny

 

Jagex Mod

 

04-Dec-2008 17:00:54

 

 

 

We have made a couple of changes to the behaviour and drop tables of the tormented demons. Due to the layout of the area they are in, they didn't behave the way we had planned, and a knock-on effect of this was that they became a lot easier to defeat. We also made an error when we calculated how many demons players would normally be able to kill over a certain period of time, which resulted in the dragon platebody parts being dropped at a more frequent rate than we had intended. To fix these problems, and to balance the demons to our initial design, the following changes have been made:

 

 

 

• [*:w5nr9tue]The demons will behave more appropriately against Ranged and Magic attacks, and not try to use melee attacks if the opponent is attacking them from a distance.
   
   
   
  [*:w5nr9tue]The drop chances of the individual dragon platebody pieces have been reduced to give the drop rate we intended, considering the frequency at which they are killed.

 

 

 

Congratulations on telling us the obvious in huge font!

 

It says DROPS ARE RARER and they will attack you better in a safespot. I dont know what they were doing before, but I saw people using range and corner hopping. They are now harder in that aspect.

 

 

 

No where does it say their armor is beefed up or their attacks are stronger...

 

 

 

Erm, for some people, it didn't seem that obvious. There are SEVERAL people in this thread who said: Hmm, good that DRAGON CLAWS are harder to get now. Or "good, demons were way too easy to defeat" (they still are!).

[psvstef]

i wonder how low the D pieces will drop :-k

[Sly_Wizard]

In my estimation, the biggest reason the prices are dropping is because you get a FREE piece from the completion of the quest and not so much the drop rate. Surely, everyone had to know that the price would plummet given that everyone who does the quest automatically receives a piece whether or not they kill tormented demons or not?

 

 

 

If you want proof, just look at the price disparity between the d-pieces and dragon claws. Sure, you could say that the reason d-claws are going up while d-pieces down is that everyone wants a pair of dragon claws, but I don't think that's the full story. I mean, the price of a dragon chain stayed fairly high (About 30m'ish though, at the time, it was the best chest armor in the game) even though anyone could kill the KQ. The same with a DFH (An upwards of 40m'ish before the PVP world update), which wasn't the best helmet in the game at its time of release. The same thing *should* have happened here with d-pieces. That is, they're price should have stayed high because they're a novelty item, only it didn't due to what I perceive as a serious oversight on Jagex's-- That error being freely giving out d-pieces to players who complete the quest.

[wab]

i'm from the people of "yay d claws are more common" :D

 

 

 

i'm slaying these demons solo, not much harder except i can't use my d hally now :| o well more p pots will be used...

 

 

 

anyway i've been slaying them for days without any drop that worth more than rune sword. how some people managed to get multipile pieces per day?!

 

 

 

i want these claws badly :x

[sarg1010]

i'm from the people of "yay d claws are more common" :D

 

 

 

i'm slaying these demons solo, not much harder except i can't use my d hally now :| o well more p pots will be used...

 

 

 

anyway i've been slaying them for days without any drop that worth more than rune sword. how some people managed to get multipile pieces per day?!

 

 

 

i want these claws badly :x

 

You miiiiiiiiight want to update your siggy...

 

 

 

D claws are more common? oh baby i'd better get over there...